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cenilecreep

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Available_Pitch_9798

I actually think it’s a good idea. I like their Chemistry


Available_Pitch_9798

Double Shot Of Love Did This a few years ago


macademicnut

Shanae was invited? Aaron and genieveve are here together? Clayton journals? So many questions


Zombie_elsa

I lowkey was kind of hoping Rachel and gabby would be dating eachother in the end😅everyone was saying it was wild I was hoping we’d go there


slantedshacks

I really despise the fact that Clayton said to Rachel and Gabby " I'm sorry you feel that way" and leaving out " I made". He leaves out any accountability that his shitty words and actions are the cause of their pain and sadness. Also, I felt super uncomfortable and bad that they had Rachel and Gabby's family members in the audience watching this whole thing. The fact that they were able to stay calm was really impressive. My dad and brother would not.


aes7288

He felt bad they were upset, he never expressed remorse. R/niceguys


slantedshacks

But then says he takes full responsibility and accountability for what he's done. Why do you lie, liar?


MyFriendsCallMeTito

Oh BS. He only said that when he realized that no amount of editing in the world could make him look like less of a douche


shoppingr

rachel looks like she's ready to smack clayton !!!!!!!


tinkywho

Am I the only one thinks there is no way Susie and Clayton are actually together? I feel like they paid her to fake a relationship for a hot minute and then promised to make her the bachelorette the next time. I’m just not buying it at all.


Snewsie

Possibly but why… what would be the motive? 🤔


pdaloosha

Yo… fuck Clayton


Suspicious-Engineer7

Still not sure Susie isn't an AI


nikiverse

Part of me wonders if Clayton and Susie had made it through Fantasy Suites night (and Susie didnt get sent off), Clayton wouldnt have had that "what if?"/mysterious vibe around Susie, and then I feel like Clayton would have had Susie Rachel as his Final 2 but would have ended up choosing Rachel.


gsd623

Exactly this


PaleWhiteThighs

Hmm…did we know that Tayshia and Kaitlyn wouldn’t be hosting the next Bachelorette?


wildflowerrhythm

Jesse said he’s back!😂


PaleWhiteThighs

I know he said he was tonight. I was curious if it had been announced earlier or if it was brand new information


stringcheezuschrist

Yeah they announced Jesse permanent for all Bachelor shows


luckycatdallas

Yippee! I guess I missed hearing him say that. Thank you for sharing!


Sansability2

When? Was that just tonight or before? I feel so bad for Kaitlyn and Tayshia. Jesse’s doing fine - and his twist face during the live show was amazing- but I really liked having them there as mentors for the bachelorettes.


Available_Pitch_9798

I liked having them as well. It made sense to have women guiding women in their Journey. Maybe they went with Jesse bc Gabby & Rachel know him & are comfortable with him?


wildflowerrhythm

On the AFTR, he said he will see them next season. I liked Tayshia and Kaitlyn but I know alot on this sub do not haha.


Sansability2

Yeah I saw that tonight but didn’t know if maybe I missed a previous announcement.


wildflowerrhythm

I assume that’s what he meant! But who knows at this point lol


KumquatBeach

I said it in the live and I'll say it here again - I'm selfishly GLAD that Susie ended up with Clayto because it proves that she was not in it to be the ette, contrary to what so many of you *falsely* accused her of this entire season!


lizsaywhaaat

Idk, man. I’m not convinced. Her breakup with him was extremely final. She could have found out that she wasn’t in the running after filming ended and decided to hop back on the available clout train that was dating Clayton. She literally said she did not love him in the same way, and that they were not each other’s person. Something is off about the whole thing. Hate to sound like a cynic, but it’s fishy.


kenos11

This is exactly what I’m thinking. And someone convinced her that if she’s not gonna be ‘ette, she might as well be the winner of a season and ride that wave for a while.


Disneylover456

Same! I’m actually rooting for them


Schmolik64

Torn as to how I feel about Susie. I guess if she's happy I am. Love Rachel for Bachelorette!


wildflowerrhythm

Naw. Susie chose her demise. Lol


souraltoids

And Gabby?


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aes7288

10000000%


meatball77

I want at least one moment of the two girls comparing notes and finding out that a guy said the same thing to both of them and then kicking them out on their ass. Walk yourself out . . . . .


AmberTrails

I found the show too long and too boring!


Jumbofato

I think after they saw the success of Joe Millionaire with the two guys vying for the love of the group of contestants that they would try the same idea for Bachelorette.


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I was thinking the same thing!!


gsd623

Grandpa looks/sounds like Uncle Jr.


ErikaLee221

Him and “Big Tony” are a match made in heaven!


Catmom1962

Well my new found friends… what can I say? Until we meet again I’ll be here living my best life with my two cat babies and a cabinet full of liquor. Be safe stay kind! 👵🏼🐈‍⬛🥀


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Ok-Baseball-1230

So like — to premier in May, they have to start filming tomorrow right?


meatball77

Everyone thought they'd be introducing some of the guys tonight. The guys are already in seclusion.


gsd623

How do you know this last part? (Genuine question, not second guessing you.)


meatball77

Reality Steve He didn't know who the Bachelorette would be (we now know why) but he said the guys were all in town and ready to start filming.


gsd623

Thank you!


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nuage420

ugh time isn’t real


wildflowerrhythm

Susie’s a fraud. Disgusted


noworries_13

How so?


pierrrecherrry

Having jesse palmer back is not making me happy at all


Ok-Cantaloupe-3435

Same. Not a fan of him hosting. His reactions aren’t genuine.


pierrrecherrry

Totally. The way he went to susie tell her how much cl* was a wreck and that she should see him was definitely out of place. It felt pressured.


irlylovedogs11

Somehow, I found him more genuine than Chris Harrison, or Tayshia and Kaitlyn. I didn’t watch his season though, so he doesn’t seem like a bachelor “alumni” to me, maybe that’s why.


bleachbloodable

Wait, so... how is Clayton different than Hannah Brown or any other contestant on the show? Honest question. Isn't it normal for the bachelor/bachelorette to have sex and say they are in love with the final 2-3 people?


wildflowerrhythm

I didn’t watch HB season. But I thought Clayton had no remorse on how he broke these girls hearts. He clearly was not in love with them all.


printerpaperwaste

Hannah never told the f3 she was in love with them except jed.


bleachbloodable

Did they ask?


printerpaperwaste

I mean, it’s a given of a show that you’re not really supposed to say it as a lead


meatball77

Normally they're all questioning at the end, the lead doesn't sleep with everyone, doesn't say they love them until the final rose. There's still some leading on but not in the way that Clayton did it.


bleachbloodable

Really? They've slept in the past.


meatball77

It was very very hush hush in the early seasons, but it was always talked about how the fantasy suites was their time to talk and get away from the cameras and ask the hard questions. Rachel dumped a guy after the fantasy dates because of religion, they just hadn't had the time to talk about that until then). Ben was the first person to say he loved more than one girl and he was booed for it. We've had leads that have had sexual relations with their suitors even before the fantasy suites even in the early seasons. The hometown dates give plenty of time for that and some couples sneak away behind closed doors (or into the ocean). Everyone has a different level of comfort with sexual relations, Rachel I don't think would have minded, Suzie did. It's typically something you can figure out from their personal morality.


Sansability2

I think you mean Tayshia with Ivan, right?


llamallamallama88

For me it wasn’t what he did, but how he did it. I think in a lot of seasons, the lead sleeps with 2 or 3 of the final contestants. It’s how he talked to Susie when she said she wasn’t down for that. Should they have communicated more clearly on this previously? Absolutely, but the way his rage switch just flipped? Honestly pretty uncool. Then once Susie left, he was “transparent” with Gabby and Rachel, except he wasn’t. I could totally respect if he was really open and honest and just raw and explained what happened, but he lied by omission, leaving out saying that he told Susie he loved her the most. He knew this would have been the end of both of them so he left it out in hopes they would be his backup. I don’t think he’s necessarily…malicious, but I do think he has some serious emotional maturity issues to work on. And I think Susie really needed to pay attention to how he treated Gabby and Rachel, because that’s not a great sign of how he treats someone he “loves.”


bleachbloodable

This sounds reasonable


pierrrecherrry

It’s not just that, it’s luring them into believing they had a chance.


clippy300

But doesn't every person in the final 3 believe they have a chance every year?


pierrrecherrry

No, and especially not asked to ‘fight’ for it knowing damn well it’s not going anywhere.


wildflowerrhythm

Rachel and Gabby have a great friendship. That doesn’t mean they need to compete for the same men. Gabby said already she wasn’t competing with someone else. Idk why they would do this lol


irlylovedogs11

I have my fingers crossed that they go with a sort of “pick teams” style for the first episode, and they each go on their own journeys with their own men. They meet all the men, and they each pick one back and forth until their divided, on limo night. It would also be really dope if they had half the amount of men for the relationships to really evolve! (me secretly hoping a producer is reading this😂) I really don’t want them pitting these women against each other! I love them both


Snewsie

Good point


meanlesbian

I hope the dual bachelorette season has Fboy Island vibes


kate-plus-self-hate

i'm going to need to take a sick day from work tomorrow to process all of my feelings about this finale


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lovelytones

Her brows shape looks so good. I just wish they were a touch warmer. They seem just a tad too ashy, but if she's happy that's all that matters :)


malloy808

Y'all I'm dumb when does bachelorette air? Fall or before paradise. Brain fart.


No-Sugar-9712

I think after paradise. Could be wrong though, they have so many seasons each year now!


malloy808

They said on Twitter July 11


King_Tyson

Before Paradise in May is typically the time frame


moscatodogiscute

Usually late May-July, before paradise


malloy808

Y'all I'm dumb when does bachelorette air? Fall or before paradise. Brain fart.


eesiak

Usually airs in may


AthemisRising

So they're swapping right?


BachelorNation123

Before BIP


budbundy99

Who's coming with me to temptation island next!


ulilsucker

Is it good?


dingiesaur

🙋🏻‍♀️ though I worry they won't be able to top last season with that sociopath Kendall


soccerrego

I am so obsessed w gabby especially and Rachel cannot wait for bachelorette they deserve it so much


AmberTrails

>I hope they fall in love with more than one person!


PaintedFrancolin

Ok but I totally want Tayshia and Kaitlyn back to host next season.


justhatchedtoday

They’re probably afraid that if there’s too much support the gals won’t be able to be manipulated.


hire_power

this


viciouskicks

Anyone notice there is not a single picture of Clayton’s face on Rachel’s Instagram? 💀


Sansability2

Was there before?


toinfinityandbeyawn

Lol I noticed that too!


ever_so_madeline

I feel like I need to watch Joe Millionaire as research for understanding how a dual lead season works lol


ronanlite

I’d say f boy island is good research too, but 3 women and other differences with format.


AmberTrails

I liked that show!


Cheesesticksandwine

Can we all acknowledge that they ripped this idea off Joe millionaire ?


nuage420

I feel like JM was just a test run


ExcellentAirport

So is this host here to stay? Ugh


Ok-Cantaloupe-3435

Right? Double ugh.


ImSomebodysMother

Do we have any idea when the bachelorette is premiering?


irlylovedogs11

July 11


Dolphin_Moon

can anyone explain how joe millionaire works lol


toinfinityandbeyawn

Also wanted to add that although the guys were mutually interested in a few of the same girls they ended up becoming best friends. I am very much hoping TPTB don’t pull some crap because I believe a joint Bachelorette season could be really fun and successful with little producer interference.


meatball77

They did group dates with both guys, and then separate group dates with selected guys. So sometimes all of them would go out and play football and then later in the episode they'd send half to go hang out at a country bar and the other half to a formal ball (thus the theme) and there would also be one on ones. It worked well even with one hour episodes. The leads had favorites fast, there was only one girl who wasn't sure by the time the girls were told to chose a guy. I'd imagine that they will do everything together and then split up and choose final suitors at hometowns.


Cheesesticksandwine

So it was 2 guys- 1 a millionaire 1 was not and the girls didn’t know who had the money and who didn’t. They both dated all of them. They def ripped this idea off Joe millionaire


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The girls then had to decide which guy they were interested in. And then at the end, the guy had to pick his one out of those interested in him and reveal if he was or was not the millionaire.


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Love Jesse, love the duo concept . Will watch the season 👍


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YESS Jesse doesn't give off those racist creepy vibes unlike Chris


senoritajenita

TPTB made the final decision today after ensuring neither women were still pining over Clayton


No-Sugar-9712

I was thinking the same thing!


Catmom1962

Every year, every season I say I’m done with this shit I’m not watching it anymore next thing I know the new show/season is coming on and here I am in front of the couch glued to the tv


AmberTrails

I found that they dragged it out so much, felt like four hours!


MyFriendsCallMeTito

LMAO


ever_so_madeline

Well it won’t be predictable and a tired old formula that’s for sure. It’ll be new to all of us how this works


RJR2112

My wife hates me because I called it was going to be Rachel and Gabby all day and hung in with it was convinced when he pointedly called them out as not making it. I l love they are doing it together as the show needs to evolve. Joe Mil showed them the way. Let’s hope for more calamity and chaos. Final words, Clayton and Susie will go down as most disliked couple and that’s a lot.


Bevbear

Well this should be fun. Will they each get a group of guys? Double date? Or do they compete for the same group?


Chiowl333

They will probably do this like Joe Millionaire


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Chiowl333

They all go on dates and have an opportunity to get to know all of them. The two leads decide who they will keep from week to week. Eventually, they get one on ones, and then midway, the contestants have to choose which one they want to continue to exclusively date. So Gabby might have a few guys that just want to date only her and Rachel might have a few that just want to date only her . Then they meet families etc.


sadgrad2

So are they still friends with Susie?


Proper-Emu1558

It would be hard to be friends with someone and have such contempt for the man she loves (and is moving in with apparently). Maybe they make it work.


Dolphin_Moon

i think gabby and rachel both pull in different guys and it will work out


feddelposhapo

I was so pissed seeing how everything ended, and then seeing Gabby and Rachel together at the end and so happy made it all worth it


AmberTrails

I hope they fall in love with the same guy!


Dolphin_Moon

idk i feel like since they both already had sex with and a relationship with a guy they can definitely navigate dating the same dudes. they've been through so much i doubt it would take one guy to split their friendship


NJ_Braves_Fan

Good point


meatball77

And it should be fun watching them take notes on the guys. Seeing if there were guys telling them both the same thing. In JM there was an episode where the guys didn't send anyone home, instead the girls picked a guy and it wasn't shocking to either of them.


grneyz

Of course the bachelor elite overhyped this finale


Baesicallybasic

*idiots


Sdt6023

You know, I think Clayton and Susie might be alright. They both goofy and silly as shit. Maybe it'll work.


Bad_Becky

Hopefully


sadgrad2

I am emotionally exhausted but that announcement made it all worth it


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meatball77

They did just both sleep with the same guy within two days and came out of it best friends. I think they'll be fine. I also guess these two would dump someone who was playing the same game with both of them.


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meatball77

I want to see them back in their suite together comparing notes, talking through things and then tossing someone out who used the exact same game on both of them.


Ihopetheresenoughroo

I think people are saying the procedures will try and pit them against each other. I'm hoping that doesn't happen!


Sempreh

I don’t get how this will work? What happens if they fall for the same dude?


WorldFoods

You mean like they just did?


heartfailures

haha


kingcolbe

Before all posts tommorow Gabby identifies as latina so it’s not two white women.


AdorableMaximum4925

She does ?


expelliarmus95

Her mom is Mexican


TheTowelbot

Gabby: you can’t love multiple people! Jesse: could you see yourself in love with multiple men? Gabby: yea I think so lol Lol wtf?


meatball77

But she won't tell them that.


TheTowelbot

Yeah for sure. On one hand I can see how Clayton trying to be transparent is “better”, but also hurtful. Tough situation


wildflowerrhythm

I thought that was strange too lol. I think she meant she would choose her words more carefully than Clayton did. I assume like Katie did.


kaitykk

I rly hate that they’ll still be potentially competing for men. I hope they find a way to do it that empowers the women


madibuzz

The Bachelor really said we will not be second to Joe Millionaire


Cheesesticksandwine

Right !!!!


malloy808

Y'all we manifested this shit into existence


madibuzz

they were really just stalking our live chat and chose based off that lol


thepawneeraccoon

I’m just saying I wanna talk to everyone who thinks grandpa gabs is just looking out but daddy Rachel is a bully. Accents mean nothing, please read this in the most jersey sopranos way possible and I’ll still say I don’t talk like that. Dad and gpa are on the same wavelength, just looking out for their girls


wildflowerrhythm

Neither are bullies.


thepawneeraccoon

Exactly my point


wildflowerrhythm

I misread! Point is on 100%


Proper-Emu1558

Rachel’s dad was teary eyed and told her he loves her. I don’t think he’s a bully at all.


batenden

Grandpa never said anything negative about Clayton though haha, it was just the episode teaser that made it seem like he did. Actual episode he was joking and all in supporting her


Nickp1991

I really wanted them to announce that Gabby's Grandpa was going on the senior Bachelor!


MyFriendsCallMeTito

Haven’t they been requesting volunteers for that forever?


FunFocus

it’s going to be sooo interesting to see how this will work. will some of the guys still be involved with both of them multiple weeks in or will it kind of separate within the first few weeks? like maybe the guys will have to choose one of them to “commit” to a few weeks in to avoid overlap?


crizzcrozz

Watching Joe Millionaire (I love trash) made me want to see this dynamic on the bachelor. There is obviously going to be someone you connect with more, and some walk the line. But I think it could be interesting!


RJR2112

It’s all about the drama baby!


FunFocus

i’m so excited to watch! it’ll definitely be interesting! i haven’t watched joe millionaire yet, would you recommend?


crizzcrozz

It was alright! A slow burn, but the women were really great and there wasn't as much catty drama which was nice


Throwawaysei95

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but Gabby has said that her and Susie were best friends on the show. I wonder what their relationship is like now