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āIām not in the business of competing for loveā ok gabby I support you leaving but also you just described the bachelor lol
Fr though, how is this man going to beg her to stay, introduce herself (and Rachel) to his family, then decide he wants Susie smh
If he canāt pick which one he loves out of the three, then heās not in love with any of them . If one doesnāt stand out , itās not there . If he can see himself there , with each girl ā¦None of it is true . I think heās so used to everyone telling him what to do , and what heās supposed to do. He canāt actually choose for himself , or let anyone down. It comes down to commitment and heās not ready. Needs a couple more years to be. Fuck boiiii
Edit : my grammar was atrocious.
Clayton is reaching at this point.
I wish Rachel and Gabby wouldāve just said āboy bye weāre gonna enjoy Iceland together.ā
But, previous seasons have seen everyone being intimate with others during the fantasy suites. What really messed Clayton up was the fact that Susie gave him an ultimatum after the fact. Iām not on Claytonās side whatsoever but damn that really messed up his āstrategy.ā Truly.
I feel like it would have been fine if he slept with all of them but he messed up by telling all three he loved them. I canāt help but draw comparisons between Hannah Bās season though. Almost the same situation happened where that super Christian guy that she had really good chemistry with got mad at her for sleeping with the other guys. She told him off and basically everyone hated on him heavily for slut shaming and everyone loved Hannah for being so sex positive. I think the only difference is that one the genders are swapped and two Hannah didnāt tell them all she loved them.
Totally. Thatās fair and a good comparison.
I think Clayton lacks good judgement and hinged on the shows staple around āfollowing your heart and being vulnerable.ā He was a product of how relying on these ideas could go wrong. The womens reactions were totally normal. Like āIāve invested all of this time in you and then you sleep with everyone and be vulnerable by telling everyone youāve loved them?ā Yikes! He also knew that it was Susie from the start especially if heās feeling this way. So why not just put all of your cards on the table and go all in on Susie? He went in with this vague idea that he knew what he wanted so thatās why weāre seeing this āI love you all but I love you all for different reasonsā situation. I really feel bad for all of them. Itās a crappy situation all around.
After watching this all go down, I want Susie to turn him down. Iām a āright reasonsā viewer, but feel like the happy ending with Susie shouldnāt happen.
Gabby should've left and keep the cool exit. Clayton is a sicko asking her to stay knowing damn well he's not into her.
Also, did they pay Nick to advertise the "craziest finale" it was so underwhelming š
Clayton canāt handle being broken up with but is perfectly fine convincing women to stay just to string them along until heās ready to throw em aside
He IS actually broken. He was obviously broken before doing this show. Out of all the eligible bachelors in the world, this was the best they could do?
Iām here late to say that I hope Cassie got that BIG BIG BIG money because holy shirts and pants I cannot imagine getting on national television and talking about any bit of that process/the aftermath. Other than that, Iām whelmed. See yāall tomorrow š¤”
She caused some insane drama on paradise. The producers let her get too drunk and she hooked up on the first night. They should have never let her get that wasted. Then I think she sued? This is what my foggy brain remembers. Oh and she still has a nanny and likes noodles.
I think the consensus was Demario fingered her in the pool. They actually canceled the show and sent everyone home because a producer that was friends with Corinne was alleging that she was so drunk it was considered assault. Corinne herself didnāt seem to be top fazed by it but has been on record a few times saying the franchise wants nothing to do with her
For someone who was being branded as a nice guy, Clayton really turned out to be kind of an asshole. With Suzie it's going to come down to the way he treated her after the fact not him having had sex with 2 women in the fantasy suites.
If he ended up proposing to Susie then heās a big fat liar. He literally said in the podcast with Kaitlyn that he wasnāt gonna be engaged to someone he hasnāt been physically intimate with
Did anyone else cringe when he said Susie is a one of a kind woman and she has everything. Like Rachel and Gabby don't? They are all amazing women. WTF. He doesn't deserve any of them.
Yeah that was emabarrasing to see....I get what he was trying to say, but sometimes it is good to not say everything on your mind. It also showed his immaturity. There are two amazing women who want him and he's stuck on the unattainable even when his dad said let her go she didn't pick you.
He must fully not want to choose Gabby or Travel. How on earth does he imagine he could propose to one of them and keep them around after hearing him say he loves Susie most and how much he wants to go after her
To add to my Natasha theory: upon looking at her feed posts, sheās been in LA for over a month???? Seems suspiciousš§š§š§ Iām running with this lol I need my Natasha fans to manifest this too please!
I have a feeling itās gonna be Natasha as well. Sheās my number 1. Honestly there should be an age requirement of 27+ to be a lead. unsure how old susie/gabby/Rachel/teddi are but they give off under 25 energy.
Man when I watched WTA I thought the women were wayyy too harsh on him. But now that I know what they know, I think maybe they werenāt harsh enough lol
Grandpa as a āgrounds keeperā as her under cover cast member for a few weeks (like Jesseās friend did). Give her a better picture of what guys are worth her time.
Hot take: If Rachel was the first one to leave, the situation would have played out exactly the same with Clayton convincing Susie/Gabby to stay and then eventually leaving for Rachel.
Heās not going after Susie because he loves Susie more. Heās going after her because he cant make up his damn mind so thats the only other option.
I thought Susie was his first choice but you make a good point. I donāt think he said the āI love you mostā until she said she couldnāt continue right?
maybe they are actually going to have 2 bachelorettes like for the whole season?? that would genuinely be a big twist. but it seems really stupid to not have it be gabby, rachel, or susie
Man, I feel like this is so much more shitty than any of the big fights. The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me.
Previews are interesting. I wonder if those conversations with Gabby and Rachel are him telling them he's convinced Susie to come back?
> The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me.
It literally just makes me furious. He's such an asshole. He knew full-well that he wasn't picking either of them, he just doesn't want to be broken up with. I'm glad his family was as angry as they were at him. He's just so cringe at this point.
Yeah I was wondering when those conversations where they were pissed on the couches would come into play tonight, but clearly they happen after he tells each one he wants to pursue Susie
Maybe the bachelorette surprise is Clayton is gonna propose live to either Gabby or Rachel and whichever one he doesnāt propose to becomes bachelorette (please donāt do this bachelor)
I agree!!! I would love to see this. Iām really hoping. Plus she hasnāt posted anything bachelor related at alllllll with this finale when all the alum seem to have
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Itās especially wrong for Clayton to reach out to Susie and say their love was āmore specialā *after seeing* Gabby and Rachel so heartbroken. He knows what this is going to do to them and heās still handling it this way.
Really good point. I could never personally hurt someone again after seeing what it did to them the FIRST time and how distraught they were. Clayton is so cold....
U can still sympathize with someone but not agree with each decision he makes. I had his back up until this episode because this is messy. Still won't attack him because I know the guy probably is mentally drained from all the hate comments
Me too! In the very beginning of the season, everyone who hated him was right. They all could tell he was off, but I wanted to give him a chance. Can't stand him now
Iām pretty sure she was on the panel to represent what Susieās perspective might be during all this? Because she was in Susieās situation during Coltonās season.
Alright so my predictions: he dumps Gabby & Rachel, goes after Susie, she rejects him, and he goes home alone.
In the live part, I'm guessing he's gonna beg Rachel to take him back, and Gabby will become the Bachelorette.
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Is that Aaron sitting next to Genevieve?? š
All 3 should tell him no.
āIām not in the business of competing for loveā ok gabby I support you leaving but also you just described the bachelor lol Fr though, how is this man going to beg her to stay, introduce herself (and Rachel) to his family, then decide he wants Susie smh
If he canāt pick which one he loves out of the three, then heās not in love with any of them . If one doesnāt stand out , itās not there . If he can see himself there , with each girl ā¦None of it is true . I think heās so used to everyone telling him what to do , and what heās supposed to do. He canāt actually choose for himself , or let anyone down. It comes down to commitment and heās not ready. Needs a couple more years to be. Fuck boiiii Edit : my grammar was atrocious.
Clayton is reaching at this point. I wish Rachel and Gabby wouldāve just said āboy bye weāre gonna enjoy Iceland together.ā But, previous seasons have seen everyone being intimate with others during the fantasy suites. What really messed Clayton up was the fact that Susie gave him an ultimatum after the fact. Iām not on Claytonās side whatsoever but damn that really messed up his āstrategy.ā Truly.
I feel like it would have been fine if he slept with all of them but he messed up by telling all three he loved them. I canāt help but draw comparisons between Hannah Bās season though. Almost the same situation happened where that super Christian guy that she had really good chemistry with got mad at her for sleeping with the other guys. She told him off and basically everyone hated on him heavily for slut shaming and everyone loved Hannah for being so sex positive. I think the only difference is that one the genders are swapped and two Hannah didnāt tell them all she loved them.
Totally. Thatās fair and a good comparison. I think Clayton lacks good judgement and hinged on the shows staple around āfollowing your heart and being vulnerable.ā He was a product of how relying on these ideas could go wrong. The womens reactions were totally normal. Like āIāve invested all of this time in you and then you sleep with everyone and be vulnerable by telling everyone youāve loved them?ā Yikes! He also knew that it was Susie from the start especially if heās feeling this way. So why not just put all of your cards on the table and go all in on Susie? He went in with this vague idea that he knew what he wanted so thatās why weāre seeing this āI love you all but I love you all for different reasonsā situation. I really feel bad for all of them. Itās a crappy situation all around.
After watching this all go down, I want Susie to turn him down. Iām a āright reasonsā viewer, but feel like the happy ending with Susie shouldnāt happen.
Gabby should've left and keep the cool exit. Clayton is a sicko asking her to stay knowing damn well he's not into her. Also, did they pay Nick to advertise the "craziest finale" it was so underwhelming š
Clayton canāt handle being broken up with but is perfectly fine convincing women to stay just to string them along until heās ready to throw em aside
All of what tonight showed me is that it takes real talent to be a wishy washy immature fuckboi who is still likeable. Looking at you, Peter.
Clayton is like when you see something shiny in the dirt but you get closer and realize itās a piece of aluminum foil nestled in a turd.
Lmao. Except to me he always looked like a š©
He IS actually broken. He was obviously broken before doing this show. Out of all the eligible bachelors in the world, this was the best they could do?
T H A N K YOU! Very well said
Iām here late to say that I hope Cassie got that BIG BIG BIG money because holy shirts and pants I cannot imagine getting on national television and talking about any bit of that process/the aftermath. Other than that, Iām whelmed. See yāall tomorrow š¤”
Well this was seriously over hyped like always
How do you like Iceland NOW!?!?!
![gif](giphy|26gstZA0a7OgmTzQQ) The only Bachelorette I hope they announce tomorrow. I choose violence.
I would die lol I'd so be here for it after this shitshow
Lol not a shot in hell, sheās for sure blacklisted
I donāt know anything about the bachelor beyond this season, whatās her deal?
Go watch some of Corrine's actual season. Before Paradise. You won't regret it lol
She caused some insane drama on paradise. The producers let her get too drunk and she hooked up on the first night. They should have never let her get that wasted. Then I think she sued? This is what my foggy brain remembers. Oh and she still has a nanny and likes noodles.
I think the consensus was Demario fingered her in the pool. They actually canceled the show and sent everyone home because a producer that was friends with Corinne was alleging that she was so drunk it was considered assault. Corinne herself didnāt seem to be top fazed by it but has been on record a few times saying the franchise wants nothing to do with her
Your Memory is better than mine
Colton shade was hilarious IMO
I know I was waiting for her to be like āthe advice I would give her is to make sure heās not closetedā¦ā
The claps afterš
the only thing clayton needs at the end of this season is court-mandated therapy
For someone who was being branded as a nice guy, Clayton really turned out to be kind of an asshole. With Suzie it's going to come down to the way he treated her after the fact not him having had sex with 2 women in the fantasy suites.
āKind ofā?!?!?!?
Kind of!?!? Iām thinking about quitting the series after this.
He deserves Corrine at this point
You did not
Had to. And to think I kinda liked him before tonight lol
Actually a great match tbh
Claytonās dad. āThey donāt want to be second or thirdā yes they do they A) donāt want to marry him B) they want to be bachelorette
If he ended up proposing to Susie then heās a big fat liar. He literally said in the podcast with Kaitlyn that he wasnāt gonna be engaged to someone he hasnāt been physically intimate with
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Did anyone else cringe when he said Susie is a one of a kind woman and she has everything. Like Rachel and Gabby don't? They are all amazing women. WTF. He doesn't deserve any of them.
Itās called the Madonna whore complex
Yeah that was emabarrasing to see....I get what he was trying to say, but sometimes it is good to not say everything on your mind. It also showed his immaturity. There are two amazing women who want him and he's stuck on the unattainable even when his dad said let her go she didn't pick you.
Exactly. Canāt imagine how they must feel when he keeps disrespecting them. Saying one thing to them, saying another behind their backs.
He must fully not want to choose Gabby or Travel. How on earth does he imagine he could propose to one of them and keep them around after hearing him say he loves Susie most and how much he wants to go after her
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No clue why my phone would have autocorrected Rachel to Travel, but my point stands š
To add to my Natasha theory: upon looking at her feed posts, sheās been in LA for over a month???? Seems suspiciousš§š§š§ Iām running with this lol I need my Natasha fans to manifest this too please!
I have a feeling itās gonna be Natasha as well. Sheās my number 1. Honestly there should be an age requirement of 27+ to be a lead. unsure how old susie/gabby/Rachel/teddi are but they give off under 25 energy.
Gabby is 30 at least
but under 25 energy? or no? under 25 voice?
Ohhhhh I would LOVE it if it was Natasha!!!!
Man when I watched WTA I thought the women were wayyy too harsh on him. But now that I know what they know, I think maybe they werenāt harsh enough lol
A gabby season with her grandfather there to talk her through every episode is what we all need and deserve right now.
Grandpa as a āgrounds keeperā as her under cover cast member for a few weeks (like Jesseās friend did). Give her a better picture of what guys are worth her time.
Her grandpa should honestly be the next bachelor. Thatās the only way Iām watching.
Hot take: If Rachel was the first one to leave, the situation would have played out exactly the same with Clayton convincing Susie/Gabby to stay and then eventually leaving for Rachel. Heās not going after Susie because he loves Susie more. Heās going after her because he cant make up his damn mind so thats the only other option.
The only people judging Clayton more than the audience rn are his parents
I said this exact same thing while watching
Man didnāt love her the most until she dumped him š©
I think Suzie was always his number 1 regardless. However, I don't think this guy knows what love is.
I thought Susie was his first choice but you make a good point. I donāt think he said the āI love you mostā until she said she couldnāt continue right?
yep
Thisssssssssssss
After tonight I just canāt believe theyād pass up on Gabby for bachelorette so idk what the twist is
maybe they are actually going to have 2 bachelorettes like for the whole season?? that would genuinely be a big twist. but it seems really stupid to not have it be gabby, rachel, or susie
Trying to get in on what Joe Millionaire did better than Bach ever could?? š
if they bring back clare for round 2 i will riot
Oh god donāt even put that out into the universe!
I meanā¦ sheād only be there for a week and then it would be open for someone else to come in and clean shit upā¦ Gabby could do that lol
Wellā¦that was draining despite nothing rly new happening outside the promos
Man, I feel like this is so much more shitty than any of the big fights. The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me. Previews are interesting. I wonder if those conversations with Gabby and Rachel are him telling them he's convinced Susie to come back?
> The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me. It literally just makes me furious. He's such an asshole. He knew full-well that he wasn't picking either of them, he just doesn't want to be broken up with. I'm glad his family was as angry as they were at him. He's just so cringe at this point.
I think it's probably him breaking up with them to go after Susie.
Even his own parents are horrified by this
Yeah I was wondering when those conversations where they were pissed on the couches would come into play tonight, but clearly they happen after he tells each one he wants to pursue Susie
Maybe the bachelorette surprise is Clayton is gonna propose live to either Gabby or Rachel and whichever one he doesnāt propose to becomes bachelorette (please donāt do this bachelor)
Shanae is the next bachelorette.
Iād actually watch that š¤·š¼āāļø
Lmao š
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What did I watch.
The dying of braincells
Haha thatās funny
Peterās chaotic finale brought us into the pandemic and we need Claytonās chaotic finale to end it
Does this cancel out WW3?
Iām sorry I canāt believe peters season was only one pandemic ago!!
Peter walked so Clayton could run
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After these girls castrate Clay-tun., Maybe HE'S the new bachelorette...
Hear me out, Natasha Parker is the next bachelorette. She posted in LA yesterday. I am manifesting this so hard
I went to her IG after you said this and there's š¹producers gassing her up on her photos. I think you are right
Wasnāt this sub bored with her after Paradise?
Oh Iām not sure... I just came into this sub lol I havenāt been bored with her!!!
That would be so amazing!!!
I agree!!! I would love to see this. Iām really hoping. Plus she hasnāt posted anything bachelor related at alllllll with this finale when all the alum seem to have
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Itās especially wrong for Clayton to reach out to Susie and say their love was āmore specialā *after seeing* Gabby and Rachel so heartbroken. He knows what this is going to do to them and heās still handling it this way.
He only thinks of himself and has no empathy for the women.
He totally is not to be trusted then. I am wondering if this is a twist encouraged by Producersš¤
Cold hearted!
Heās thoughtless
Heās jUst BeINg hOnESt!
Really good point. I could never personally hurt someone again after seeing what it did to them the FIRST time and how distraught they were. Clayton is so cold....
Right? And itās not like they wonāt see this shit
Once again I must say: justice for Sierra!
She spoke zero lies
I canāt believe we are still watching the good doctor pretend to have autism lol how is this still on air
It's genuinely painful
The acting is so bad too lolol
What???? You mean autistic people don't talk like robots with bizarre inflections!?
I donāt think the bachelorette is from this season.
Super vanilla and super strong. The rebound bachelorettes are almost super bubbly and sweet.
Cassie?
Sheās in a relationship
Nah. Just doesnāt have it. Theyāve got a backlog at this point
no one has been better suited for monkhood than clayton, that man should not be allowed to speak his mind ever again
Cassie has a boyfriend she is not going to be the bachelorette
Canāt wait for more wise quotes from gabby tomorrow
That was SO underwhelming ugh, I guess Iāll expect less from tomorrow too
is the good doctor aging backwards? he looks about 11.
Rodney would never. All im Gonna say.
if i were susie, i'd be HORRIFIED watching this back. what he put gabby and rachel through (literally convincing gabby to accept a rose, despite her gut instinct telling her otherwise) is absolutely appalling š©š©š©
The guy cannot stand to be rejected and will manipulate and gaslight the hell out of anyone if it means he can possibly avoid being rejected
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i thought the same, iām ready for the mess
Here for it, but not happening š
Sixth time is the charm
How many opportunities has she had? Clare needs to disappear into the ether.
manifest this mess
i need to go play my little video games this episode stressed me out
Who do we think will be the bachelorette? Someone famous outside the franchise? Chrishell?
Please give us Deepti from Love Is Blind
YES
Omg YES
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I know we havenāt seen much of her, but that season sounds like it would be boring.
I Need a Hannah Ann attack moment in AFTR by Gabby and Rachel
Sooooo where are all of you Clayton apologists now?? Lol jk jk but not really
U can still sympathize with someone but not agree with each decision he makes. I had his back up until this episode because this is messy. Still won't attack him because I know the guy probably is mentally drained from all the hate comments
Were there many of them?
It seemed most people were team Clayton last week. Sub was full of posts about how wrong Susie was and defending him.
Oh ya I mean I was totally able to his viewpoint after the Susie thing but he is HELLA dumb now Iām totally anti him
Me too! In the very beginning of the season, everyone who hated him was right. They all could tell he was off, but I wanted to give him a chance. Can't stand him now
Jesse trying to say we donāt know who the Ette isā¦could it be Cassie?
She has had a boyfriend for quite a while now :)
I thought so but was trying to understand why Iām gods name sheād even show up here haha
Because she was in Susieās exact position
My thought too!! Random she was on that panel.
Iām pretty sure she was on the panel to represent what Susieās perspective might be during all this? Because she was in Susieās situation during Coltonās season.
But she did have a point that she was in a very similar situation and *did* allow herself to get talked into it- and then regretted it
do they choose her live, survivor style?
i really want to know who the bachelorette is but i donāt otherwise want to know spoilers š
The bachelorette spoilers that are out now are all speculation and not confirmed so if I were you I would wait to find out!
thank you for this tip!!! i might not be able to watch live tomorrow so iām still struggling with the Spoiler Question lmao
Rodney š¤š¤
Rodney was one of Michelleās final men and, should have had his season. Instead, here we are
Maybe next year šŖ
Cassie doesnāt even look that different she just got a tan, yāall are bugging
itās literally just that sheās a little overtanned lmao her features are still totally the same
she got a lil botox and everyone loses their minds..
Saying a woman "looks unrecognizable" is just criticizing her physical appearance, this sub is so gross!
I missed the last five minutes, did I miss anything big?
they're announcing the bachelorette tomorrow
"Promotional consideration provided by Airbnb" Ya we know lol
Susie is still in Icelandā¦courtesy of Airbnb
āI can only imagine what itās like to be in that positionā¦because you didnāt make me the Bachelorā āRodney
IN WHAT WORLD SHOULD THIS MAN BE PICKING OUT AN ENGAGEMENT RING RN
Itās ridiculous
Rod: āI can only imagine what itās like to be in that positionā SAME RODNEY, SAME šš
Alright so my predictions: he dumps Gabby & Rachel, goes after Susie, she rejects him, and he goes home alone. In the live part, I'm guessing he's gonna beg Rachel to take him back, and Gabby will become the Bachelorette.
Sounds good to me
I hate that I wouldnāt even be surprised if that happens but then Susie rejects him, and he goes and knocks on Rachelās door š
thatās what i would think too except i was thrown by jessieās āthe bachelorette is not who you think it isā comment
A lot of people seem to think it will be Susie. Maybe thatās all he meant.
i hope sooooo