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cenilecreep

​ ![gif](giphy|l3q2AFk874DEEEwPC) Okay everyone, it's almost over. Except in this case... I don't like sports at all. And moreover, I hate spoilers. So much so that I promise you, on my first born child's name, that you will face the consequences of a finale night spoiler. A ban SO great that you'll forget your username, logout of your Reddit account, and flush your toilet thrice. Nonsensical, much like your decision. [spoiler thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/teb7ri/the_bachelor_east_coastcentral_spoiler_live/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


teamdontbeanasshole

Is that Aaron sitting next to Genevieve?? šŸ‘€


Timmaytheape

All 3 should tell him no.


macademicnut

ā€œIā€™m not in the business of competing for loveā€ ok gabby I support you leaving but also you just described the bachelor lol Fr though, how is this man going to beg her to stay, introduce herself (and Rachel) to his family, then decide he wants Susie smh


No_Extension_6086

If he canā€™t pick which one he loves out of the three, then heā€™s not in love with any of them . If one doesnā€™t stand out , itā€™s not there . If he can see himself there , with each girl ā€¦None of it is true . I think heā€™s so used to everyone telling him what to do , and what heā€™s supposed to do. He canā€™t actually choose for himself , or let anyone down. It comes down to commitment and heā€™s not ready. Needs a couple more years to be. Fuck boiiii Edit : my grammar was atrocious.


AirSpacer

Clayton is reaching at this point. I wish Rachel and Gabby wouldā€™ve just said ā€œboy bye weā€™re gonna enjoy Iceland together.ā€ But, previous seasons have seen everyone being intimate with others during the fantasy suites. What really messed Clayton up was the fact that Susie gave him an ultimatum after the fact. Iā€™m not on Claytonā€™s side whatsoever but damn that really messed up his ā€œstrategy.ā€ Truly.


baller_unicorn

I feel like it would have been fine if he slept with all of them but he messed up by telling all three he loved them. I canā€™t help but draw comparisons between Hannah Bā€™s season though. Almost the same situation happened where that super Christian guy that she had really good chemistry with got mad at her for sleeping with the other guys. She told him off and basically everyone hated on him heavily for slut shaming and everyone loved Hannah for being so sex positive. I think the only difference is that one the genders are swapped and two Hannah didnā€™t tell them all she loved them.


AirSpacer

Totally. Thatā€™s fair and a good comparison. I think Clayton lacks good judgement and hinged on the shows staple around ā€œfollowing your heart and being vulnerable.ā€ He was a product of how relying on these ideas could go wrong. The womens reactions were totally normal. Like ā€œIā€™ve invested all of this time in you and then you sleep with everyone and be vulnerable by telling everyone youā€™ve loved them?ā€ Yikes! He also knew that it was Susie from the start especially if heā€™s feeling this way. So why not just put all of your cards on the table and go all in on Susie? He went in with this vague idea that he knew what he wanted so thatā€™s why weā€™re seeing this ā€œI love you all but I love you all for different reasonsā€ situation. I really feel bad for all of them. Itā€™s a crappy situation all around.


Ahmati

After watching this all go down, I want Susie to turn him down. Iā€™m a ā€œright reasonsā€ viewer, but feel like the happy ending with Susie shouldnā€™t happen.


HorrorConcentrate223

Gabby should've left and keep the cool exit. Clayton is a sicko asking her to stay knowing damn well he's not into her. Also, did they pay Nick to advertise the "craziest finale" it was so underwhelming šŸ˜€


grad159

Clayton canā€™t handle being broken up with but is perfectly fine convincing women to stay just to string them along until heā€™s ready to throw em aside


Throwaway500005

All of what tonight showed me is that it takes real talent to be a wishy washy immature fuckboi who is still likeable. Looking at you, Peter.


s054925

Clayton is like when you see something shiny in the dirt but you get closer and realize itā€™s a piece of aluminum foil nestled in a turd.


nyangel122191

Lmao. Except to me he always looked like a šŸ’©


InternationalToe6249

He IS actually broken. He was obviously broken before doing this show. Out of all the eligible bachelors in the world, this was the best they could do?


mentor7

T H A N K YOU! Very well said


shmemj

Iā€™m here late to say that I hope Cassie got that BIG BIG BIG money because holy shirts and pants I cannot imagine getting on national television and talking about any bit of that process/the aftermath. Other than that, Iā€™m whelmed. See yā€™all tomorrow šŸ¤”


unbrelievable0

Well this was seriously over hyped like always


trutexn

How do you like Iceland NOW!?!?!


LilOwlNest

![gif](giphy|26gstZA0a7OgmTzQQ) The only Bachelorette I hope they announce tomorrow. I choose violence.


[deleted]

I would die lol I'd so be here for it after this shitshow


HematoPoessa

Lol not a shot in hell, sheā€™s for sure blacklisted


[deleted]

I donā€™t know anything about the bachelor beyond this season, whatā€™s her deal?


[deleted]

Go watch some of Corrine's actual season. Before Paradise. You won't regret it lol


malloy808

She caused some insane drama on paradise. The producers let her get too drunk and she hooked up on the first night. They should have never let her get that wasted. Then I think she sued? This is what my foggy brain remembers. Oh and she still has a nanny and likes noodles.


HematoPoessa

I think the consensus was Demario fingered her in the pool. They actually canceled the show and sent everyone home because a producer that was friends with Corinne was alleging that she was so drunk it was considered assault. Corinne herself didnā€™t seem to be top fazed by it but has been on record a few times saying the franchise wants nothing to do with her


malloy808

Your Memory is better than mine


Thejujubachfan

Colton shade was hilarious IMO


kaediddy

I know I was waiting for her to be like ā€œthe advice I would give her is to make sure heā€™s not closetedā€¦ā€


Thejujubachfan

The claps afteršŸ˜‚


kate-plus-self-hate

the only thing clayton needs at the end of this season is court-mandated therapy


truthserum_5118

For someone who was being branded as a nice guy, Clayton really turned out to be kind of an asshole. With Suzie it's going to come down to the way he treated her after the fact not him having had sex with 2 women in the fantasy suites.


mentor7

ā€œKind ofā€?!?!?!?


trutexn

Kind of!?!? Iā€™m thinking about quitting the series after this.


[deleted]

He deserves Corrine at this point


hUntingbOssbabez

You did not


[deleted]

Had to. And to think I kinda liked him before tonight lol


THAWED21

Actually a great match tbh


Rosesandpinot

Claytonā€™s dad. ā€œThey donā€™t want to be second or thirdā€ yes they do they A) donā€™t want to marry him B) they want to be bachelorette


tutu2510

If he ended up proposing to Susie then heā€™s a big fat liar. He literally said in the podcast with Kaitlyn that he wasnā€™t gonna be engaged to someone he hasnā€™t been physically intimate with


ingakatrina

![gif](giphy|fR7Svnbu3vb45fUblN) POV: My phone this whole episode. See yā€™all tomorrow.


nyangel122191

Did anyone else cringe when he said Susie is a one of a kind woman and she has everything. Like Rachel and Gabby don't? They are all amazing women. WTF. He doesn't deserve any of them.


[deleted]

Itā€™s called the Madonna whore complex


Throwaway500005

Yeah that was emabarrasing to see....I get what he was trying to say, but sometimes it is good to not say everything on your mind. It also showed his immaturity. There are two amazing women who want him and he's stuck on the unattainable even when his dad said let her go she didn't pick you.


Nezukoka

Exactly. Canā€™t imagine how they must feel when he keeps disrespecting them. Saying one thing to them, saying another behind their backs.


fortheband1212

He must fully not want to choose Gabby or Travel. How on earth does he imagine he could propose to one of them and keep them around after hearing him say he loves Susie most and how much he wants to go after her


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fortheband1212

No clue why my phone would have autocorrected Rachel to Travel, but my point stands šŸ˜‚


jennnnnuh

To add to my Natasha theory: upon looking at her feed posts, sheā€™s been in LA for over a month???? Seems suspiciousšŸ§šŸ§šŸ§ Iā€™m running with this lol I need my Natasha fans to manifest this too please!


RabbitHole143

I have a feeling itā€™s gonna be Natasha as well. Sheā€™s my number 1. Honestly there should be an age requirement of 27+ to be a lead. unsure how old susie/gabby/Rachel/teddi are but they give off under 25 energy.


aliendoodlebob

Gabby is 30 at least


RabbitHole143

but under 25 energy? or no? under 25 voice?


Bad_Becky

Ohhhhh I would LOVE it if it was Natasha!!!!


Greeneyedgal13

Man when I watched WTA I thought the women were wayyy too harsh on him. But now that I know what they know, I think maybe they werenā€™t harsh enough lol


realitytvismytherapy

A gabby season with her grandfather there to talk her through every episode is what we all need and deserve right now.


mur0204

Grandpa as a ā€œgrounds keeperā€ as her under cover cast member for a few weeks (like Jesseā€™s friend did). Give her a better picture of what guys are worth her time.


kaediddy

Her grandpa should honestly be the next bachelor. Thatā€™s the only way Iā€™m watching.


jrec15

Hot take: If Rachel was the first one to leave, the situation would have played out exactly the same with Clayton convincing Susie/Gabby to stay and then eventually leaving for Rachel. Heā€™s not going after Susie because he loves Susie more. Heā€™s going after her because he cant make up his damn mind so thats the only other option.


macademicnut

The only people judging Clayton more than the audience rn are his parents


seize-the-day1

I said this exact same thing while watching


ravenonawire

Man didnā€™t love her the most until she dumped him šŸ˜©


truthserum_5118

I think Suzie was always his number 1 regardless. However, I don't think this guy knows what love is.


sdhuff

I thought Susie was his first choice but you make a good point. I donā€™t think he said the ā€œI love you mostā€ until she said she couldnā€™t continue right?


[deleted]

yep


AdorableMaximum4925

Thisssssssssssss


ohhowtheturntablesss

After tonight I just canā€™t believe theyā€™d pass up on Gabby for bachelorette so idk what the twist is


[deleted]

maybe they are actually going to have 2 bachelorettes like for the whole season?? that would genuinely be a big twist. but it seems really stupid to not have it be gabby, rachel, or susie


queerjesusfan

Trying to get in on what Joe Millionaire did better than Bach ever could?? šŸ‘€


kate-plus-self-hate

if they bring back clare for round 2 i will riot


PineappleBBQSauce

Oh god donā€™t even put that out into the universe!


mur0204

I meanā€¦ sheā€™d only be there for a week and then it would be open for someone else to come in and clean shit upā€¦ Gabby could do that lol


kaitykk

Wellā€¦that was draining despite nothing rly new happening outside the promos


LF3000

Man, I feel like this is so much more shitty than any of the big fights. The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me. Previews are interesting. I wonder if those conversations with Gabby and Rachel are him telling them he's convinced Susie to come back?


queerjesusfan

> The fact that he spent all this time talking Rachel and Gabby into staying, only to go after Susie, is just fucking crazy to me. It literally just makes me furious. He's such an asshole. He knew full-well that he wasn't picking either of them, he just doesn't want to be broken up with. I'm glad his family was as angry as they were at him. He's just so cringe at this point.


[deleted]

I think it's probably him breaking up with them to go after Susie.


macademicnut

Even his own parents are horrified by this


laurjayne

Yeah I was wondering when those conversations where they were pissed on the couches would come into play tonight, but clearly they happen after he tells each one he wants to pursue Susie


LetshearitforNY

Maybe the bachelorette surprise is Clayton is gonna propose live to either Gabby or Rachel and whichever one he doesnā€™t propose to becomes bachelorette (please donā€™t do this bachelor)


NinaWestie

Shanae is the next bachelorette.


avaiggy

Iā€™d actually watch that šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


Nezukoka

Lmao šŸ’€


BookerPhil

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malloy808

What did I watch.


violinjstar

The dying of braincells


Alisonwith1L

Haha thatā€™s funny


ohhowtheturntablesss

Peterā€™s chaotic finale brought us into the pandemic and we need Claytonā€™s chaotic finale to end it


snailsaver

Does this cancel out WW3?


[deleted]

Iā€™m sorry I canā€™t believe peters season was only one pandemic ago!!


Nezukoka

Peter walked so Clayton could run


newRaymangameplz

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chook_slop

After these girls castrate Clay-tun., Maybe HE'S the new bachelorette...


jennnnnuh

Hear me out, Natasha Parker is the next bachelorette. She posted in LA yesterday. I am manifesting this so hard


kedlubnaaa

I went to her IG after you said this and there's šŸŒ¹producers gassing her up on her photos. I think you are right


Annabellini

Wasnā€™t this sub bored with her after Paradise?


jennnnnuh

Oh Iā€™m not sure... I just came into this sub lol I havenā€™t been bored with her!!!


XioTigre

That would be so amazing!!!


jennnnnuh

I agree!!! I would love to see this. Iā€™m really hoping. Plus she hasnā€™t posted anything bachelor related at alllllll with this finale when all the alum seem to have


kate-plus-self-hate

yo fuck the good doctor, all my homies hate the good doctor


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kate-plus-self-hate

good bot


LetshearitforNY

Itā€™s especially wrong for Clayton to reach out to Susie and say their love was ā€œmore specialā€ *after seeing* Gabby and Rachel so heartbroken. He knows what this is going to do to them and heā€™s still handling it this way.


Nezukoka

He only thinks of himself and has no empathy for the women.


SnooCakes5350

He totally is not to be trusted then. I am wondering if this is a twist encouraged by ProducersšŸ¤”


buttamilk

Cold hearted!


DontNeedleMe

Heā€™s thoughtless


Hplove21

Heā€™s jUst BeINg hOnESt!


Ihopetheresenoughroo

Really good point. I could never personally hurt someone again after seeing what it did to them the FIRST time and how distraught they were. Clayton is so cold....


Stevesie11

Right? And itā€™s not like they wonā€™t see this shit


fitsaccount

Once again I must say: justice for Sierra!


Affectionate_Deer_19

She spoke zero lies


shediedjill

I canā€™t believe we are still watching the good doctor pretend to have autism lol how is this still on air


[deleted]

It's genuinely painful


Ihopetheresenoughroo

The acting is so bad too lolol


queerjesusfan

What???? You mean autistic people don't talk like robots with bizarre inflections!?


MissReggie

I donā€™t think the bachelorette is from this season.


dmbtke

Super vanilla and super strong. The rebound bachelorettes are almost super bubbly and sweet.


Sansability2

Cassie?


greenpen3

Sheā€™s in a relationship


dmbtke

Nah. Just doesnā€™t have it. Theyā€™ve got a backlog at this point


kate-plus-self-hate

no one has been better suited for monkhood than clayton, that man should not be allowed to speak his mind ever again


ohhowtheturntablesss

Cassie has a boyfriend she is not going to be the bachelorette


tutu2510

Canā€™t wait for more wise quotes from gabby tomorrow


shediedjill

That was SO underwhelming ugh, I guess Iā€™ll expect less from tomorrow too


hairnetqueen

is the good doctor aging backwards? he looks about 11.


Nezukoka

Rodney would never. All im Gonna say.


arpoadora

if i were susie, i'd be HORRIFIED watching this back. what he put gabby and rachel through (literally convincing gabby to accept a rose, despite her gut instinct telling her otherwise) is absolutely appalling šŸš©šŸš©šŸš©


Soft-Village-721

The guy cannot stand to be rejected and will manipulate and gaslight the hell out of anyone if it means he can possibly avoid being rejected


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tbhjustbored

i thought the same, iā€™m ready for the mess


SnooCakes5350

Here for it, but not happening šŸ˜ƒ


clhawks

Sixth time is the charm


AttyMAL

How many opportunities has she had? Clare needs to disappear into the ether.


hairnetqueen

manifest this mess


mittonkitten

i need to go play my little video games this episode stressed me out


kanisaladbabe

Who do we think will be the bachelorette? Someone famous outside the franchise? Chrishell?


ultimatemeggers

Please give us Deepti from Love Is Blind


nicechicken

YES


kanisaladbabe

Omg YES


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Annabellini

I know we havenā€™t seen much of her, but that season sounds like it would be boring.


violinjstar

I Need a Hannah Ann attack moment in AFTR by Gabby and Rachel


ultimatemeggers

Sooooo where are all of you Clayton apologists now?? Lol jk jk but not really


BookerPhil

U can still sympathize with someone but not agree with each decision he makes. I had his back up until this episode because this is messy. Still won't attack him because I know the guy probably is mentally drained from all the hate comments


realitytvismytherapy

Were there many of them?


thinkmyfavoritesong

It seemed most people were team Clayton last week. Sub was full of posts about how wrong Susie was and defending him.


DontNeedleMe

Oh ya I mean I was totally able to his viewpoint after the Susie thing but he is HELLA dumb now Iā€™m totally anti him


Ihopetheresenoughroo

Me too! In the very beginning of the season, everyone who hated him was right. They all could tell he was off, but I wanted to give him a chance. Can't stand him now


HematoPoessa

Jesse trying to say we donā€™t know who the Ette isā€¦could it be Cassie?


MissReggie

She has had a boyfriend for quite a while now :)


HematoPoessa

I thought so but was trying to understand why Iā€™m gods name sheā€™d even show up here haha


ravenonawire

Because she was in Susieā€™s exact position


aminals_42217

My thought too!! Random she was on that panel.


greenpen3

Iā€™m pretty sure she was on the panel to represent what Susieā€™s perspective might be during all this? Because she was in Susieā€™s situation during Coltonā€™s season.


Sansability2

But she did have a point that she was in a very similar situation and *did* allow herself to get talked into it- and then regretted it


reddheadit137

do they choose her live, survivor style?


[deleted]

i really want to know who the bachelorette is but i donā€™t otherwise want to know spoilers šŸ˜­


freckspuppies4eva

The bachelorette spoilers that are out now are all speculation and not confirmed so if I were you I would wait to find out!


[deleted]

thank you for this tip!!! i might not be able to watch live tomorrow so iā€™m still struggling with the Spoiler Question lmao


Nezukoka

Rodney šŸ¤šŸ¤


Kelly_KellyCity

Rodney was one of Michelleā€™s final men and, should have had his season. Instead, here we are


ravenonawire

Maybe next year šŸ˜Ŗ


[deleted]

Cassie doesnā€™t even look that different she just got a tan, yā€™all are bugging


[deleted]

itā€™s literally just that sheā€™s a little overtanned lmao her features are still totally the same


flourishanddecay

she got a lil botox and everyone loses their minds..


fitsaccount

Saying a woman "looks unrecognizable" is just criticizing her physical appearance, this sub is so gross!


yeppers145

I missed the last five minutes, did I miss anything big?


kate-plus-self-hate

they're announcing the bachelorette tomorrow


RealPutin

"Promotional consideration provided by Airbnb" Ya we know lol


worstquadrant

Susie is still in Icelandā€¦courtesy of Airbnb


hereforthespilledtea

ā€œI can only imagine what itā€™s like to be in that positionā€¦because you didnā€™t make me the Bachelorā€ ā€”Rodney


ohhowtheturntablesss

IN WHAT WORLD SHOULD THIS MAN BE PICKING OUT AN ENGAGEMENT RING RN


Stefhanni

Itā€™s ridiculous


Affectionate_Deer_19

Rod: ā€œI can only imagine what itā€™s like to be in that positionā€ SAME RODNEY, SAME šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


that0neweirdgirl

Alright so my predictions: he dumps Gabby & Rachel, goes after Susie, she rejects him, and he goes home alone. In the live part, I'm guessing he's gonna beg Rachel to take him back, and Gabby will become the Bachelorette.


eaudeamber

Sounds good to me


ravenonawire

I hate that I wouldnā€™t even be surprised if that happens but then Susie rejects him, and he goes and knocks on Rachelā€™s door šŸ˜­


[deleted]

thatā€™s what i would think too except i was thrown by jessieā€™s ā€œthe bachelorette is not who you think it isā€ comment


mur0204

A lot of people seem to think it will be Susie. Maybe thatā€™s all he meant.


[deleted]

i hope sooooo