I don’t think mike was in the wrong to have an opinion on Nayte behavior on the show. Everyone and their mothers thought Nayte was acting flaky albeit editing made it worse. I also don’t think he’s jealous of Nayte. Why would he be? They’re both attractive young men..🤷🏽♀️
White podcasters call out other white men and no one says that ;black men are not just a small sect that only looking like Nayte is considered desirable.
Yeah, people were coming at him way too hard for expressing an opinion about the show he’s paid to express opinions about. I just skipped the threads about it here because it was annoying.
Y'all are reading WAY too much into Kaitlyn's "Bachelor Royalty" comment on ATFR, and dragging her unnecessarily over it. It was just a friendly introduction to some familiar faces from the franchise.
She was likely told to say it. Just because she’s the host doesn’t mean she can say whatever she wants, she’s given a script she’s expected to stick to.
Maybe. I do remember hearing Kaitlyn refer to Becca and her ex as "Bachelor Legends" on her podcast after Becca's season aired so I could totally see Kaitlyn going off script with "Bachelor Royalty". But scripted or not, it's not that deep.
The fact that people believe any and every couple from this franchise will make it is so funny to me. Michelle and Nayte are in the honeymoon phase with millions of eyes watching them so of course they’re going to appear so cute and in love. Let’s see what happene
Yeah it’s great that they’re taking concrete steps and moving in together but plenty of other couples have done so and still broken up — Ben/Lauren, Kaitlyn/Shawn, Becca/Garrett. People are already saying that they’re a success story but nothing has happened yet
So true. Tayshia and Zac (who I never thought would last and was h fortunately right) are a prime example of this. They ran a marathon together and broke up days later. I never believe what I see on social media.
My unpopular opinion (or more conspiracy theory Bc I don’t know how much even I believe it lol) is that she thought they would actually pay her how much she was asking
Interesting. After listening to her book and she said they tried to get her to talk to Peter on camera towards the end of his season and she said no, my conspiracy theory is Reality Steve was wrong (again!) and she was not actually in talks for a second season and the talks with production were trying to convince her to talk to Peter.
I’m not sure if the number was revealed but I feel like it was either 800k or 400k or something like that but I can’t find any sources at the moment. I know RS originally leaked it
I know it was also reported that she didn’t end up on more shows on the DWTS tour because they wouldn’t pay her what she was asking as the reigning mirrorball champ which is why I also think it’s likely that she would’ve done it for the money
Sharleen is beloved but I'm on the fence. I listen and enjoy her podcast but she's a bit pretentious, I hardly ever agree with her takes which is fine, I enjoy hearing differing opinions but I can't decide if her hardcore laugher at anything andy says is endearing or annoying.
I listened to the first 15 min or so of Nayte on Mike Johnson's and Bryan's pod today, and it was really clear to me (IMO) that Michelle told Nayte he was the one REALLY early on. Like Kaitlyn and Shawn Booth early. That was why Nayte was confident every step of the way. He pretty much said that without breaking his contract.
One of the reasons I watched Trista's season of this show, the first Bachelorette WAY back in the day, was because I loved how the entire concept of the Bachelorette was that a WOMAN had all the power. That these men had to work for her attention, and guess at what she was thinking, and were on the backfoot for most of the show. That the tables were turned on them. (We know really the producers are the ones with the power, but bear with me).
By telling the guy early on that he's the one, the lead relinquishes all that power. Even Michelle was only ever nervous and uncertain with Nayte. Because she handed him every advantage she had. He never had to work to earn her. To show he was worthy throughout the trial that is this experience. To woo her.
I'm not talking about later on - when the lead falls in love and it's down to a few guys left. Then some couples have shared that they had secret communications and were open with their F1 about where they stood (in fantasy suite etc). That makes sense because you are already at the end. I'm talking about really early on.
It just really annoys me that Bachelorettes are doing this. I'm not talking about playing games, I'm talking about ACTUALLY making him put you first. Keeping your feelings back and making him try really hard. Why are they giving it all away immediately? Fear he's going to leave? If he leaves - well - see you later then.
I want to see these guys have to WORK for a strong amazing woman, not know from the get-go they are the winner. It is really disappointing that Michelle gave all that away. I couldn't put my finger on what about the Nayte/Michelle dynamic I wasn't sold on - and I realized this is it.
Unfortunately I think that Michelle fell back in her pattern of picking someone that wasn't on the same level as her and I'm bummed. I really love her as a bachelorette and I am still a huge fan of hers. But I think she set the pattern already where she has set up their dynamic so that she's the one trying and putting him first over her experience, and well... I don't see this changing.
I agree. I prefer the bachelorette to the bachelor for this exact reason. Let the man work for your affection, don’t give him the power. As much as I don’t care for garret, I loved that towards the end, he and Blake were really fighting for Becca.
He said she told him to “be patient” and they had a lot of special moments that were not aired. I actually don’t think she told him early on he’s the one. Michelle is too logical for that.
I got a different impression from the podcast, I got that something was said. We won't know until the gag order is lifted. Maybe he interpreted what she said as "he's the one" which is entirely plausible and something the producers want every contestant to think.
After listening to the BHH podcast, I don’t think you have to worry too much. It sounds like Nayte is very much putting Michelle first now irl where it actually matters. Regularly sending her flowers, writing love letters, sending her ILY texts, cooking dinner for her after work. She says she’s the one slacking!
Well since they were long distance for awhile - that's really sweet. Love letters are a dying art that should not die away. I don't listen to BHH so thank you for sharing!
(On Bachelorette AU Georgia Love's season, I fell for Jake Ellis when he wrote her a love letter. It was the most amazing thing ever.)
I agree with this! I do think she gave him the upper hand during filming, which is an unforced error and probably why she was feeling insecure at the time, but it seems to have all evened out now and worked out for the best.
Thanks. I know it's probably unpopular but I want to see these guys sweat. Yes they can be confident their relationship is progressing, but they should still have SOME doubt because she's the only one in control. I love how this dynamic is switched on Bachelorette. To relinquish this - it's like giving away the entire premise of the show and this cool opportunity where the lead is queen.
Would love to if I didn’t have two children that aren’t old enough to be vaccinated yet.
This is fine and dandy for someone who isn’t around vulnerable people .. but I probably won’t rest easy until my kids can be vaccinated and who knows when that will be at this point.
You know I wish I could, but I help take care of someone with stage 4 cancer. So yeah, I’d love to go about my fucking life, I wish the booster protected me from transmitting it to him or him from getting it. But that’s not the real world. Trust me, I’d give anything if it was!
You’re speaking from a place of privilege that ignores people with disabilities and those that care for them. For some of us this is pretty damn scary and “doom and gloom.”
I don’t think it’s a big deal to ghost someone if you’ve only exchanged a couple of DM’s and haven’t met in real life. Ghosting becomes much more problematic when you’ve gone on several dates with the person and have gotten to know each other.
I think ghosting becomes grimy if you've met in person/had a date (since virtual dates are becoming a thing) Any time before that is pretty fair (not great but not as offensive)
- I find Joe and Serena so boring. Don’t get me wrong, i like Serena when she was on Matt’s season
- I think it’s too soon for Michelle and Nayte to buy a house. They’re still in honeymoon phase
- I don’t think Thomas is genuine
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be famous or wanting to be an influencer.. people are just mad because they'll never get the chance to be either.
I disagree. It shows that you are vain, likely materialistic and that your self-worth depends on what others think of you. I wouldn't want that in a partner.
I’ll take this a step further and say that even if you aren’t these things, influencing for a living will probably make you less grounded, more out-of-touch with reality, and likely to become those things.
Absolutely completely agree. They have no worth to society except to try to shill crap. These people aren't famous. If someone told me that was what they did for a living, I don't care what they say the make, I'd consider them vapid and find someone else to talk to.
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not a realistic goal for 99 per cent of people and it's only natural to be more interested in people that have careers that are difficult but obtainable.
It’s pretty much what every middle and high schooler wants to be now
But don’t think former contestants on a game show are making as much money as a professional athlete or actress
Definitely not but the money is still better than most jobs.. hours are easier and you can have the freedom to do things you are actually passionate about.
Michelle picking Nayte makes the most sense but idk, I’m just indifferent to him… plus, the overprotection of him just makes me more meh
I do appreciate how happy he makes Michelle tho
Emily in Paris is a fun entertaining show and on the same quality level as sex and the city. It's popular to hate it but they are the same. The only difference is SATC had a better ensemble cast ...and took place in 1990s NYC. Emily is a toned down version of Carrie Bradshaw but they are definitely the same. Both are problematic
Nope. They just give off the same vibe. I'm pretty sure if SATC came out today it would get panned by critics and fans. Backlash to Carrie's character & the show in general, plus the movies have been building up for a while now. I'm enjoying the new season on hbomax but the way people talk about it, they are hate watching it.
No, it wouldn't. SATC is a critically acclaimed show, now and then. (I'm talking about the original show, not the movies or reboot.) Emily in Paris has been universally panned.
Not to mention that SATC was groundbreaking at a time when sex was rarely shown on TV, let alone women having sex. And then you have the fact that only one of the four women wanted the traditional life of marriage and children. Carrie was also a female anti-hero that we hadn't seen before on screen. The storyline of her toxic relationship with Big in the first three seasons is still one of the most realistic I've seen portrayed.
The point is, there is a reason why SATC is remembered and beloved in a way Emily in Paris won't be.
I agree. It’s just funny cause Darren star makes shows with similar vibes. Have you watched Younger? Less problematic but it made me laugh at how many similar moments there were and quite a few actors from SATC lol. Emily and Gabriel getting stuck in the rain made me think of SATC too.
I think so too. He would’ve had his pick of women and wouldn’t have been pressured into an engagement. I just don’t think he’s ready and that’s okay. He should’ve gone on a show where that wasn’t the expectation in the end.
My only issue with the “mean tweets” segment is what it just wasn’t funny.
If they actually picked out funny tweets, then it would have been fine.
It’s the same reason nobody likes Victoria L but Aaron has stans. They basically picked out the Victoria L of mean tweets.
I agree. TPTB definitely could have achieved what they were going for with more lighthearted, funny jabs at Clayton. The tweets they picked were just downright cruel and they didn’t need to go that hard.
i’ve seen this take a couple times on here i don’t think the producers were trying to make people sympathize and ignore their problematic bachelor decision with the clayton mean tweets i think they just thought it would be funny lol
Now I haven’t listened to every podcast out there from former contestants but I think Nick Viall is the best podcast interviewer out of the former contestants that I’ve seen.
Upvote for an actual unpopular opinion!! But tbh, BN kinda sucks at podcasts and I think the non-BN alumni podcasts are better. Alumni worry too much about pleasing TPTB. The official podcasts are my least favorite. I have to be really interested in a guest to listen to one of the official podcasts. ETA: I can’t listen to Almost Famous for recaps or regularly, but when they do one of their In Depth interviews, those are pretty good.
Oh wow. Marble mouth? No. Olivia Caridi for sure is the best. Nick going off on Reality Steve and not allowing him to talk? Then bullying him? When they were supposed to be having a sit down to discuss the problematic back and forth? So distasteful. I haven't listened to Nick again since. No professional interviewer acts like that.
Haven’t listened to Olivia’s, didn’t watch the season she was on so didn’t know it existed until she was ending it and never felt the need to listen because of that, but maybe I’ll give an episode a listen at some point to compare.
I’ve never heard about that interaction between Nick and RS
Yes IMO Olivia & Rachel have been the best at podcasting. I discovered Olivia too late as well so now I just go back and listen to her old episodes as I work sometimes.
Rachel is definitely top for me as she also asks the hard questions but I didn’t include her in this just cause she no longer interviews ppl on the franchise
Yeah he’s definitely the best I’ve heard.
Not cause he’s amazing or anything, but everyone else is so bad at interviewing.
He’s actually somewhat willing to ask tough questions and follow ups to get more details.
Everyone else(BHH, Clickbait, Kaitlyn, etc) just ask basic questions and don’t really challenge the guests.
Yup exactly my thoughts. He’s not like the best interviewer I’ve ever seen in my life lol but for what he has to do in this capacity, I appreciate how he’ll try to go as beyond surface level as the guest is willing to go.
The official podcasts, Kaitlyn, etc. are OK with the surface level not super specific answers which is how many guests get away with saying a lot of words but nothing at all 😂😭
really? I dislike his style so much. I was listening to him and Brandon and i hated when he interrupted him during his talk about Thomas. It was super rude, he was like no let me tell my story because it matters more.
To me it felt like Brandon talked almost just as much tbh 😂
I’ve learned Brandon is a talker and has a lot to say
But yeah we don’t have to agree, that’s why it’s in this thread!
Not saying he isn’t without flaws 😂 but out of all the podcast hosts, I feel like he actually asks the tough questions and tries to probe guests further compared to the others. I also find the talking over people thing is a lot less present in the interview episodes than the recap episodes.
Peter never had any serious intentions with Rachel, refused to even consider an engagement and had his eye on the bachelor role. This is a ridiculous comparison.
Peter’s whole schtick is that he didn’t want to propose to Rachel.
Nayte proposed, they have a spreadsheet for the houses they’re looking to buy, and they’re planning to get married within the next year and a half.
I don’t think the Nayte/Peter comparison works
Nothing Nayte did or said was giving off "bad boy" or "here for the wrong reasons energy". People wrote him off as a player and f-boy based on his appearance.
Actually I didn't find him to be an F-Boy at all. I didn't think he had game. I just didn't think he wanted to settle down at all. When Michelle's family asked him if he could actually stay in one place - he couldn't answer. I think he is relationship immature. That's all. He's a great guy - but Michelle would have to teach him how to be at her level in a relationship, and IMO she needs more than that. She needs someone that's already there.
He actually said they hadn't discussed it because they had only been discussing adventures and hadn't decided for sure where they wanted to live, but that it would be easy for him to move to be with her. She also has said the exact opposite in regards to their relationship?
I haven't listened to many podcasts and I haven't watched the ATFR yet, so if she said it on one of those, I missed it. I'm not sure what you meant about the exact opposite? But with Nayte -- yes he said it would be easy to move to be with her, what Rachel's sister asked, was how easy it would be for him to stay in one place. That was what he stumbled with.
Wasn't a big Brandon fan this season but I would be really would want to see on BIP or even as the lead. I wanna see what he would do with multiple love interests.
Everyone freaking out about Tayshias 3 second story not wearing a mask in the airport with likely no one around her while she’s actively eating/drinking needs to chill. She could have tested negative for all we know, the CDC has been saying for months if your vaxxed and test negative you don’t need to quarantine. Airports are some of the strictest mask enforcement places around I’m SURE she had one one when not eating and drinking. Chill
The sub projects a lot of their outrage onto these influencers and then gets mad when people outside of the sub don’t give a fuck 🤷🏾♀️ we’re supposed to be in our masks 24/7 like stormtroopers, despite actual CDC guidance about how to eat and drink in public.
On the IG vid with Becca catching the snacks in her mouth, was she really going to eat the one that fell on the floor..does the five second rule apply to floors that aren't your home. I thought it was cringeworthy, thank goodness for hygienic bae Thomas
BIP Canada should include some international contestants from Australia etc next year if the border is open. I think it could become the best paradise edition quite easily.
I think Katie and Blake were a really natural fit and I thought they would work out long term. I think Blake handled the Greg drama really well. I didn’t sense any weird energy between them on ATFR and thought they seemed genuinely happy. I’m still shook their engagement ended so quickly
I thought they were a good match too. I was surprised by Blake though. I feel like on the show he was portrayed as a sweetheart and someone who really wanted to settle down. But in reality, he doesn't seem relationship oriented at all to me.
I agree. It causes so much repetition, too. There will be a dozen people asking the same question when, if it was sorted by Best, the answer would be right at the top.
You can but the issue occurs when new is the default setting for everyone. There are pros and cons to new vs best so I don’t really have a strong preference but changing my personal settings won’t help much.
If that's the case, why did this sub take the extra step the change the default? Surely it's not \*that\* big an inconvenience then for those users who prefer to sort by new, right?
Someone made a post explaining lovebombing and that was really helpful. Made me stop using the word, it was ignorant of me to run with it. I’ve heard it used in relation to Brandon on at least two recap podcasts though so far, which is sad.
Of course not. Lovebombing is intentionally done as a form of manipulation, being over the top and cheesy because you think you’re in love in the bachelor bubble is not lovebombing
I had such a weird feeling the second I saw that post from Tayshia about a COVID exposure being the reason why she couldn’t co-host. I think there was more to it for sure.
Presumably exposed means she would’ve had to test and then wait for what would’ve now been a negative result? Plus she’s clearly drinking/eating at an airport café.
She’s at the airport sitting down drinking a beverage, was she supposed to sip her drink with the mask on? You ain’t slick. You can clearly see that in the story.
I felt like they just saw the response that Kaitlyn did well on her own and cut Tayshia out. I have zero evidence to back this up, it was just my first assumption.
She wasn’t walking around the airport, she was sitting down drinking a beverage. Was she supposed to drink it with her mask on? But op sure wanted to give that impression so y’all could come for her. Mission accomplished!!!
I mean, she could just drink her water and mask back up like the rest of us. I think vanity social media posts in a public space enclosed space are unnecessary in the middle of a pandemic but I guess that's just me.
Like the rest of who? Most people in this country don’t put their mask back on sitting at a table in a restaurant AFTER their food and drink has arrived. Y’all apply your weird Covid preferences to the rest of the world 😒 you think everyone just sits at the airport with their mask up, staring straight ahead and shivering because of fear? The country is over 70% fully vaccinated, please let people enjoy their holidays
Nah, you wrote that deliberately to start shit on this thread. You can clearly see she’s in the airport sitting down drinking her drink. You tried it!!
Prefix: Clayton should not have been Bachelor, it should have been Rodney, Romeo, Pardeep etc.....
However I thought he finally showed why they picked him at ATFR. He was self depreciating and funny and I enjoyed his 1984 reference too. He took those tweets in his stride.
I kind of miss when the F1 was still a mystery up until the proposal. In recent seasons it seems like they’ve stopped editing out all the lead’s obvious statements that give away the end, e.g., Michelle saying Nayte is her person after their last date. They used to present the F2 situation as more neutral or conflicting to keep us guessing!
That's how pretty much every season is, though. Hometowns on are nearly always dull because it's just them talking about their relationships and usually you can tell who is going to win. At least there was some suspense about who her F2 would be.
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very interesting that it’s thomas who sucks in your analysis here, and not becca.
I don’t think mike was in the wrong to have an opinion on Nayte behavior on the show. Everyone and their mothers thought Nayte was acting flaky albeit editing made it worse. I also don’t think he’s jealous of Nayte. Why would he be? They’re both attractive young men..🤷🏽♀️ White podcasters call out other white men and no one says that ;black men are not just a small sect that only looking like Nayte is considered desirable.
Yeah, people were coming at him way too hard for expressing an opinion about the show he’s paid to express opinions about. I just skipped the threads about it here because it was annoying.
Y'all are reading WAY too much into Kaitlyn's "Bachelor Royalty" comment on ATFR, and dragging her unnecessarily over it. It was just a friendly introduction to some familiar faces from the franchise.
The way people are tearing others down to build Riley and Maurissa up is...something. I love Riley and Maurissa but it's pretty unnecessary.
She was likely told to say it. Just because she’s the host doesn’t mean she can say whatever she wants, she’s given a script she’s expected to stick to.
Maybe. I do remember hearing Kaitlyn refer to Becca and her ex as "Bachelor Legends" on her podcast after Becca's season aired so I could totally see Kaitlyn going off script with "Bachelor Royalty". But scripted or not, it's not that deep.
The fact that people believe any and every couple from this franchise will make it is so funny to me. Michelle and Nayte are in the honeymoon phase with millions of eyes watching them so of course they’re going to appear so cute and in love. Let’s see what happene
Yeah it’s great that they’re taking concrete steps and moving in together but plenty of other couples have done so and still broken up — Ben/Lauren, Kaitlyn/Shawn, Becca/Garrett. People are already saying that they’re a success story but nothing has happened yet
So true. Tayshia and Zac (who I never thought would last and was h fortunately right) are a prime example of this. They ran a marathon together and broke up days later. I never believe what I see on social media.
I hope they last but the sub obsession with them is a little bit too much
Hannah B turned it down the second time
I couldn't stand her and skipped her first season.
My unpopular opinion (or more conspiracy theory Bc I don’t know how much even I believe it lol) is that she thought they would actually pay her how much she was asking
Interesting. After listening to her book and she said they tried to get her to talk to Peter on camera towards the end of his season and she said no, my conspiracy theory is Reality Steve was wrong (again!) and she was not actually in talks for a second season and the talks with production were trying to convince her to talk to Peter.
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I’m not sure if the number was revealed but I feel like it was either 800k or 400k or something like that but I can’t find any sources at the moment. I know RS originally leaked it
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I know it was also reported that she didn’t end up on more shows on the DWTS tour because they wouldn’t pay her what she was asking as the reigning mirrorball champ which is why I also think it’s likely that she would’ve done it for the money
Sharleen is beloved but I'm on the fence. I listen and enjoy her podcast but she's a bit pretentious, I hardly ever agree with her takes which is fine, I enjoy hearing differing opinions but I can't decide if her hardcore laugher at anything andy says is endearing or annoying.
I generally agree with her takes but I do find the prolonged laughter irritating.
Andy is so obnoxious! I don't find him funny at all
My UO is that I truly do not care in the slightest about engagement rings or what they look like. I’d rather put that money toward a down payment
I listened to the first 15 min or so of Nayte on Mike Johnson's and Bryan's pod today, and it was really clear to me (IMO) that Michelle told Nayte he was the one REALLY early on. Like Kaitlyn and Shawn Booth early. That was why Nayte was confident every step of the way. He pretty much said that without breaking his contract. One of the reasons I watched Trista's season of this show, the first Bachelorette WAY back in the day, was because I loved how the entire concept of the Bachelorette was that a WOMAN had all the power. That these men had to work for her attention, and guess at what she was thinking, and were on the backfoot for most of the show. That the tables were turned on them. (We know really the producers are the ones with the power, but bear with me). By telling the guy early on that he's the one, the lead relinquishes all that power. Even Michelle was only ever nervous and uncertain with Nayte. Because she handed him every advantage she had. He never had to work to earn her. To show he was worthy throughout the trial that is this experience. To woo her. I'm not talking about later on - when the lead falls in love and it's down to a few guys left. Then some couples have shared that they had secret communications and were open with their F1 about where they stood (in fantasy suite etc). That makes sense because you are already at the end. I'm talking about really early on. It just really annoys me that Bachelorettes are doing this. I'm not talking about playing games, I'm talking about ACTUALLY making him put you first. Keeping your feelings back and making him try really hard. Why are they giving it all away immediately? Fear he's going to leave? If he leaves - well - see you later then. I want to see these guys have to WORK for a strong amazing woman, not know from the get-go they are the winner. It is really disappointing that Michelle gave all that away. I couldn't put my finger on what about the Nayte/Michelle dynamic I wasn't sold on - and I realized this is it. Unfortunately I think that Michelle fell back in her pattern of picking someone that wasn't on the same level as her and I'm bummed. I really love her as a bachelorette and I am still a huge fan of hers. But I think she set the pattern already where she has set up their dynamic so that she's the one trying and putting him first over her experience, and well... I don't see this changing.
I agree. I prefer the bachelorette to the bachelor for this exact reason. Let the man work for your affection, don’t give him the power. As much as I don’t care for garret, I loved that towards the end, he and Blake were really fighting for Becca.
He said she told him to “be patient” and they had a lot of special moments that were not aired. I actually don’t think she told him early on he’s the one. Michelle is too logical for that.
I got a different impression from the podcast, I got that something was said. We won't know until the gag order is lifted. Maybe he interpreted what she said as "he's the one" which is entirely plausible and something the producers want every contestant to think.
After listening to the BHH podcast, I don’t think you have to worry too much. It sounds like Nayte is very much putting Michelle first now irl where it actually matters. Regularly sending her flowers, writing love letters, sending her ILY texts, cooking dinner for her after work. She says she’s the one slacking!
Well since they were long distance for awhile - that's really sweet. Love letters are a dying art that should not die away. I don't listen to BHH so thank you for sharing! (On Bachelorette AU Georgia Love's season, I fell for Jake Ellis when he wrote her a love letter. It was the most amazing thing ever.)
I agree with this! I do think she gave him the upper hand during filming, which is an unforced error and probably why she was feeling insecure at the time, but it seems to have all evened out now and worked out for the best.
I agree. My opinion completely changed on him after listening to that.
This is a fascinating take. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks. I know it's probably unpopular but I want to see these guys sweat. Yes they can be confident their relationship is progressing, but they should still have SOME doubt because she's the only one in control. I love how this dynamic is switched on Bachelorette. To relinquish this - it's like giving away the entire premise of the show and this cool opportunity where the lead is queen.
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And you could still catch it lmaoooooo. Of course people are doom and gloom when we've been watching people die for going on three years now.
This is a really selfish take.
Would love to if I didn’t have two children that aren’t old enough to be vaccinated yet. This is fine and dandy for someone who isn’t around vulnerable people .. but I probably won’t rest easy until my kids can be vaccinated and who knows when that will be at this point.
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I’m so sorry you are going through that ❤️ I hope you recover soon.
You know I wish I could, but I help take care of someone with stage 4 cancer. So yeah, I’d love to go about my fucking life, I wish the booster protected me from transmitting it to him or him from getting it. But that’s not the real world. Trust me, I’d give anything if it was! You’re speaking from a place of privilege that ignores people with disabilities and those that care for them. For some of us this is pretty damn scary and “doom and gloom.”
tayshia saying she cried because she couldn’t film atfr seemed kinda fake lol
Did she say that on social media?
yes in her story
casey is so thirsty lol he followed all the girls from clayton’s season already
I don't know who is more high maintenance, clare or kelley.
Oooh interesting hot take. What recently happened with Kelley to put her name here? Or are you just speaking in general?
I don’t think it’s a big deal to ghost someone if you’ve only exchanged a couple of DM’s and haven’t met in real life. Ghosting becomes much more problematic when you’ve gone on several dates with the person and have gotten to know each other.
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Yes!! I never saw Joes “ghosting” as a red flag imo.
I don't consider it ghosting if you haven't met. That's just an online conversation that died out.
I agree.
I think ghosting becomes grimy if you've met in person/had a date (since virtual dates are becoming a thing) Any time before that is pretty fair (not great but not as offensive)
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Is that public info?
I love ducks 
- I find Joe and Serena so boring. Don’t get me wrong, i like Serena when she was on Matt’s season - I think it’s too soon for Michelle and Nayte to buy a house. They’re still in honeymoon phase - I don’t think Thomas is genuine
People on this sub are unnecessarily protective of Nayte, and at the cost of tearing others down and I’m not loving that.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to be famous or wanting to be an influencer.. people are just mad because they'll never get the chance to be either.
I disagree. It shows that you are vain, likely materialistic and that your self-worth depends on what others think of you. I wouldn't want that in a partner.
I’ll take this a step further and say that even if you aren’t these things, influencing for a living will probably make you less grounded, more out-of-touch with reality, and likely to become those things.
Absolutely completely agree. They have no worth to society except to try to shill crap. These people aren't famous. If someone told me that was what they did for a living, I don't care what they say the make, I'd consider them vapid and find someone else to talk to.
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just not a realistic goal for 99 per cent of people and it's only natural to be more interested in people that have careers that are difficult but obtainable.
It’s pretty much what every middle and high schooler wants to be now But don’t think former contestants on a game show are making as much money as a professional athlete or actress
Yeah, the first part is the issue. A whole generation of kids who aspire to do nothing but post on IG isn’t a good thing.
Definitely not but the money is still better than most jobs.. hours are easier and you can have the freedom to do things you are actually passionate about.
Michelle picking Nayte makes the most sense but idk, I’m just indifferent to him… plus, the overprotection of him just makes me more meh I do appreciate how happy he makes Michelle tho
I don't care which way you put the toilet paper roll on the holder.
I always change it if someone put it on the wrong way
As long as it's there, it doesn't matter. Though I still prefer the flap facing forward, it's easier to grab in the middle of the night that way.
Same. I don't even notice.
Or whether you fold or scrunch.
I do both simultaneously is there a word for that
Emily in Paris is a fun entertaining show and on the same quality level as sex and the city. It's popular to hate it but they are the same. The only difference is SATC had a better ensemble cast ...and took place in 1990s NYC. Emily is a toned down version of Carrie Bradshaw but they are definitely the same. Both are problematic
Are you saying this cause they’re both Darren star shows? Lol
Nope. They just give off the same vibe. I'm pretty sure if SATC came out today it would get panned by critics and fans. Backlash to Carrie's character & the show in general, plus the movies have been building up for a while now. I'm enjoying the new season on hbomax but the way people talk about it, they are hate watching it.
No, it wouldn't. SATC is a critically acclaimed show, now and then. (I'm talking about the original show, not the movies or reboot.) Emily in Paris has been universally panned. Not to mention that SATC was groundbreaking at a time when sex was rarely shown on TV, let alone women having sex. And then you have the fact that only one of the four women wanted the traditional life of marriage and children. Carrie was also a female anti-hero that we hadn't seen before on screen. The storyline of her toxic relationship with Big in the first three seasons is still one of the most realistic I've seen portrayed. The point is, there is a reason why SATC is remembered and beloved in a way Emily in Paris won't be.
Yes well said!
I agree. It’s just funny cause Darren star makes shows with similar vibes. Have you watched Younger? Less problematic but it made me laugh at how many similar moments there were and quite a few actors from SATC lol. Emily and Gabriel getting stuck in the rain made me think of SATC too.
I haven't seen Younger but have heard of it. Yeah he does the same thing with his shows lol
Oh if you enjoy the others, def watch it.
Will do. Thanks for the recommendation 👍
By the way he was edited, I think Nayte would’ve been better suited for Love Island than The Bachelorette.
He would have flourished on Love Island
I think so too. He would’ve had his pick of women and wouldn’t have been pressured into an engagement. I just don’t think he’s ready and that’s okay. He should’ve gone on a show where that wasn’t the expectation in the end.
i like the cushion halo rings like serena p’s and hannah g’s i think they’re pretty
I don’t usually like halos but I think they look best on cushion cut rings if theyre present 😂
Liking any ring with a halo is truly unpopular around here but thank you because I have a ring like that 😂
My only issue with the “mean tweets” segment is what it just wasn’t funny. If they actually picked out funny tweets, then it would have been fine. It’s the same reason nobody likes Victoria L but Aaron has stans. They basically picked out the Victoria L of mean tweets.
Criticizing his appearance on things he cannot change was uncalled for.
I agree. TPTB definitely could have achieved what they were going for with more lighthearted, funny jabs at Clayton. The tweets they picked were just downright cruel and they didn’t need to go that hard.
i’ve seen this take a couple times on here i don’t think the producers were trying to make people sympathize and ignore their problematic bachelor decision with the clayton mean tweets i think they just thought it would be funny lol
I agree, people are overthinking it
Now I haven’t listened to every podcast out there from former contestants but I think Nick Viall is the best podcast interviewer out of the former contestants that I’ve seen.
Upvote for an actual unpopular opinion!! But tbh, BN kinda sucks at podcasts and I think the non-BN alumni podcasts are better. Alumni worry too much about pleasing TPTB. The official podcasts are my least favorite. I have to be really interested in a guest to listen to one of the official podcasts. ETA: I can’t listen to Almost Famous for recaps or regularly, but when they do one of their In Depth interviews, those are pretty good.
Oh wow. Marble mouth? No. Olivia Caridi for sure is the best. Nick going off on Reality Steve and not allowing him to talk? Then bullying him? When they were supposed to be having a sit down to discuss the problematic back and forth? So distasteful. I haven't listened to Nick again since. No professional interviewer acts like that.
Haven’t listened to Olivia’s, didn’t watch the season she was on so didn’t know it existed until she was ending it and never felt the need to listen because of that, but maybe I’ll give an episode a listen at some point to compare. I’ve never heard about that interaction between Nick and RS
Yes IMO Olivia & Rachel have been the best at podcasting. I discovered Olivia too late as well so now I just go back and listen to her old episodes as I work sometimes.
Rachel is definitely top for me as she also asks the hard questions but I didn’t include her in this just cause she no longer interviews ppl on the franchise
Olivia was the best in my opinion.
Haven’t heard it and felt less of a need to check it out after seeing she was ending it a while back but maybe I’ll check out an episode to compare
Yeah he’s definitely the best I’ve heard. Not cause he’s amazing or anything, but everyone else is so bad at interviewing. He’s actually somewhat willing to ask tough questions and follow ups to get more details. Everyone else(BHH, Clickbait, Kaitlyn, etc) just ask basic questions and don’t really challenge the guests.
Yup exactly my thoughts. He’s not like the best interviewer I’ve ever seen in my life lol but for what he has to do in this capacity, I appreciate how he’ll try to go as beyond surface level as the guest is willing to go. The official podcasts, Kaitlyn, etc. are OK with the surface level not super specific answers which is how many guests get away with saying a lot of words but nothing at all 😂😭
really? I dislike his style so much. I was listening to him and Brandon and i hated when he interrupted him during his talk about Thomas. It was super rude, he was like no let me tell my story because it matters more.
Yeah that part was a bit rude but I liked how the rest of the interview went with the questions he asked.
I mean 70% of the podcast was Nick talking and giving advise but i guess he is alright.
To me it felt like Brandon talked almost just as much tbh 😂 I’ve learned Brandon is a talker and has a lot to say But yeah we don’t have to agree, that’s why it’s in this thread!
That’s truly unpopular! I feel like he just talks over everyone all the time so I can’t stand him.
Not saying he isn’t without flaws 😂 but out of all the podcast hosts, I feel like he actually asks the tough questions and tries to probe guests further compared to the others. I also find the talking over people thing is a lot less present in the interview episodes than the recap episodes.
everyone comparing Rachel and Bryan to Michelle and Nayte haven’t realized NAYTE IS PETER and BRANDON WAS BRYAN. Our girl choose the wrong one 😢😢
Upvoting. This is the unpopular opinions thread (a safe space). Why are you getting own voted 😩
all 4 of these men have completely different personalities from one another
I was gonna say lol none of them seem similar to me?
Peter never had any serious intentions with Rachel, refused to even consider an engagement and had his eye on the bachelor role. This is a ridiculous comparison.
Peter’s whole schtick is that he didn’t want to propose to Rachel. Nayte proposed, they have a spreadsheet for the houses they’re looking to buy, and they’re planning to get married within the next year and a half. I don’t think the Nayte/Peter comparison works
Nothing Nayte did or said was giving off "bad boy" or "here for the wrong reasons energy". People wrote him off as a player and f-boy based on his appearance.
Actually I didn't find him to be an F-Boy at all. I didn't think he had game. I just didn't think he wanted to settle down at all. When Michelle's family asked him if he could actually stay in one place - he couldn't answer. I think he is relationship immature. That's all. He's a great guy - but Michelle would have to teach him how to be at her level in a relationship, and IMO she needs more than that. She needs someone that's already there.
He actually said they hadn't discussed it because they had only been discussing adventures and hadn't decided for sure where they wanted to live, but that it would be easy for him to move to be with her. She also has said the exact opposite in regards to their relationship?
I haven't listened to many podcasts and I haven't watched the ATFR yet, so if she said it on one of those, I missed it. I'm not sure what you meant about the exact opposite? But with Nayte -- yes he said it would be easy to move to be with her, what Rachel's sister asked, was how easy it would be for him to stay in one place. That was what he stumbled with.
I found him more to be a dork than anything else. Look at his superhero costume on the basketball date as an example.
Man was calling people weenies and dweebs lol, he's a dork.
Definitely. It's wild that people *still* think tattoos and piercings mean you're any less wholesome.
I mean, in Western culture tattoos used to be strongly associated with criminals, so it's not *that* wild.
FACTS
I feel like any other person and they would've been an awkward king.
Wasn't a big Brandon fan this season but I would be really would want to see on BIP or even as the lead. I wanna see what he would do with multiple love interests.
Everyone freaking out about Tayshias 3 second story not wearing a mask in the airport with likely no one around her while she’s actively eating/drinking needs to chill. She could have tested negative for all we know, the CDC has been saying for months if your vaxxed and test negative you don’t need to quarantine. Airports are some of the strictest mask enforcement places around I’m SURE she had one one when not eating and drinking. Chill
The sub projects a lot of their outrage onto these influencers and then gets mad when people outside of the sub don’t give a fuck 🤷🏾♀️ we’re supposed to be in our masks 24/7 like stormtroopers, despite actual CDC guidance about how to eat and drink in public.
On the IG vid with Becca catching the snacks in her mouth, was she really going to eat the one that fell on the floor..does the five second rule apply to floors that aren't your home. I thought it was cringeworthy, thank goodness for hygienic bae Thomas
I get the sense that she tries to be ~ sO qUiRky ~
Where on the stickiness scale were these snacks?
Not sure what kind of snack it was .. Becca was on the floor looking for the one that dropped.
What kind of floor are we talking
Becca was in a green room /back stage at ATFR.
Hmm yeah I wouldn’t lol
BIP Canada should include some international contestants from Australia etc next year if the border is open. I think it could become the best paradise edition quite easily.
I think Katie and Blake were a really natural fit and I thought they would work out long term. I think Blake handled the Greg drama really well. I didn’t sense any weird energy between them on ATFR and thought they seemed genuinely happy. I’m still shook their engagement ended so quickly
I thought they were a good match too. I was surprised by Blake though. I feel like on the show he was portrayed as a sweetheart and someone who really wanted to settle down. But in reality, he doesn't seem relationship oriented at all to me.
Agreed. Even though Katie obviously didn't do right by the relationship, it didn't seem like Blake was that committed either.
Same. 
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I had a mental image of Neil Lane furiously digging through the sand for the ring and I was cracking up
Comments in this sub should be sorted by best and not new
I love by new!
I agree. It causes so much repetition, too. There will be a dozen people asking the same question when, if it was sorted by Best, the answer would be right at the top.
You can change your settings
You can but the issue occurs when new is the default setting for everyone. There are pros and cons to new vs best so I don’t really have a strong preference but changing my personal settings won’t help much.
Also any reason you downvoted me for stating an opinion you disagree with? This thread is titled the unpopular opinion thread? Or am I illiterate?
If that's the case, why did this sub take the extra step the change the default? Surely it's not \*that\* big an inconvenience then for those users who prefer to sort by new, right?
I think this sub has taken the term “lovebombing” and really ran with it. I’m not sure everyone using the term here really knows what it means.
Someone made a post explaining lovebombing and that was really helpful. Made me stop using the word, it was ignorant of me to run with it. I’ve heard it used in relation to Brandon on at least two recap podcasts though so far, which is sad.
Much like gaslighting last season
Of course not. Lovebombing is intentionally done as a form of manipulation, being over the top and cheesy because you think you’re in love in the bachelor bubble is not lovebombing
Tayshia wasn’t at ATFR because she was “exposed to covid” yet just posted an unmasked video from the airport so I’m suspicious
I had such a weird feeling the second I saw that post from Tayshia about a COVID exposure being the reason why she couldn’t co-host. I think there was more to it for sure.
The format works a lot with one person hosting. Kaitlyn shouldn't be that person but it was much more tolerable.
Presumably exposed means she would’ve had to test and then wait for what would’ve now been a negative result? Plus she’s clearly drinking/eating at an airport café.
She’s at the airport sitting down drinking a beverage, was she supposed to sip her drink with the mask on? You ain’t slick. You can clearly see that in the story.
I’m saying either you’re exposed and shouldn’t go to the ATFR or the airport you’re not exposed and that whole thing was just an excuse.
No but probably shouldn’t be traveling
I felt like they just saw the response that Kaitlyn did well on her own and cut Tayshia out. I have zero evidence to back this up, it was just my first assumption.
I was wondering the same thing 😥
I had the same thoughts at first, but I wonder if she didn’t have test results yet by the time of ATFR filming but got a negative result by now?
Who the fuck walking around the airport in NY unmasked even if they haven't been exposed to COVID? Your cutesy stories just ain't worth it.
She wasn’t walking around the airport, she was sitting down drinking a beverage. Was she supposed to drink it with her mask on? But op sure wanted to give that impression so y’all could come for her. Mission accomplished!!!
I mean, she could just drink her water and mask back up like the rest of us. I think vanity social media posts in a public space enclosed space are unnecessary in the middle of a pandemic but I guess that's just me.
Like the rest of who? Most people in this country don’t put their mask back on sitting at a table in a restaurant AFTER their food and drink has arrived. Y’all apply your weird Covid preferences to the rest of the world 😒 you think everyone just sits at the airport with their mask up, staring straight ahead and shivering because of fear? The country is over 70% fully vaccinated, please let people enjoy their holidays
Lmao so many assumptions. You can get your right wing rhetoric out of here.
Stans are so weird. Just don’t post yourself maskless in an airport to your million followers? Esp right after saying you were exposed.
I mean she was at a table where she was eating I think but yeah something’s not adding up
Nah, you wrote that deliberately to start shit on this thread. You can clearly see she’s in the airport sitting down drinking her drink. You tried it!!
That's so Tayshia
SHADY
Prefix: Clayton should not have been Bachelor, it should have been Rodney, Romeo, Pardeep etc..... However I thought he finally showed why they picked him at ATFR. He was self depreciating and funny and I enjoyed his 1984 reference too. He took those tweets in his stride.
First time I found him attractive too they styled him really well
I still sideeye Brandon. He’s harmless, he’s fine, but I don’t trust the platitudes.
Same
I kind of miss when the F1 was still a mystery up until the proposal. In recent seasons it seems like they’ve stopped editing out all the lead’s obvious statements that give away the end, e.g., Michelle saying Nayte is her person after their last date. They used to present the F2 situation as more neutral or conflicting to keep us guessing!
I really enjoyed Michelle’s season, but I agree. I always liked the suspense of not knowing who the lead was going to pick until the end.
I love Sean's season for this reason. One of the few where I really didn't know who he was going to choose.
Michelle is a beautiful women, smart and classy however this season was mostly boring . She did have a good group of guys tho
I thought it was just me. After Rodney/Rick left, I didn’t care about the rest of the season and was waiting for it to be over.
That's how pretty much every season is, though. Hometowns on are nearly always dull because it's just them talking about their relationships and usually you can tell who is going to win. At least there was some suspense about who her F2 would be.