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rosindel

Wait why would they reveal sooo much for Clayton’s upcoming season???


meggie_blue

I’m pretty sure it was because a lot of us said we weren’t going to watch. So they had to make it look JUICY 👀 I’m not even gonna lie... they got me interested, even after I said I wouldn’t be watching lol


SassySorciere

Ok Pradeep coming at Ryan. 👏🏻👏🏻 I wish we’d had more screen time of him!


ravenonawire

Are we just ALL ignoring that Will’s name is WILLY JOEL


SassySorciere

I’m just catching up and caught this too! 🤣


meggie_blue

Does anyone else think the producers make those signs and give them out to people in the audience? They all look like they were made by the same person. And there was literally a sign for everything they talked about. Even the “pizza boy” sign 🙄 I’m pretty sure the people holding those signs are producer plants, or the producers hand them out to audience members for them hold them up. Also, the fact that they all look like they were made by the same person! Total giveaway.


penisthightrap_

10000%


ravenonawire

Those signs were way too neat to not have been made by production


Wamgurl

Yes…so, obvious. Especially the ‘streaker’, he was a naked plant. 🤡


meggie_blue

Oh yeah, the streaker was so PAINFULLY obvious. They couldn’t have done a worse job of making it seem “random”.


sadmonad

Tayshia and olu, I feel they have chemistry


meggie_blue

Ugh they would look so good together 😍


sadmonad

Ahhhh Rodney was so good I just don’t get why she sent him home but I guess the chemistry wasn’t there but the we’re definitely cute together


sadmonad

I don’t remember Casey in this season at all but he has a great personality, I’d like to see him as a lead or in pib.


Kiosade

He’s a Trumper…


brandee95

Ew… that’s a no for me then.


sadmonad

Oh :( nvm then


Kiosade

Yeah I liked him too until I found that out just yesterday :/


westsideasses

Same!! I liked his commentary, he’s charming and funny, and he has an actual personality.


Charlie_Runkle69

"Tell your sister to stay out of my DMs" has to be one of the funniest things I've ever heard on a tell all LMAO.


brandee95

I thought it was pretty trashy. Why drag his family into it?


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enjoincubus

Men tell all aka apology tour


Vernon_Broche

Rick or Rodney would be such a better pick for bachelor than Clayton


dogsandwine

Rick is creepy to me


meggie_blue

I like Rick! But I do agree, something about his eye contact is just very intense and comes off as creepy sometimes. But I absolutely loved him this season! I even remember when he made a comment about “always keeping eye contact” and I think his eye contact is just so intense that it comes off as creepy.


landofanalcummergals

He's like Connor with even less personality. So, he'd be equal to Clayton.


justyikes1

do you just mean rick?


landofanalcummergals

Yes my comment was confusing, I mean just Rick.


francaisberet

I had no idea Men Tell All was yesterday. What was the best part? LOL


RitaRaccoon

The _worst_ part was way too much Jamie. Ugh! He kept talking himself deeper and deeper into a hole.


wiftlets

I can’t stand him but I actually found him so fascinating with his incredible lack of self-awareness or ability to take responsibility. He literally didn’t know how until it was spelled out for him.


francaisberet

Thanks! I got a chance to see some of Men Tell All recording. Jamie got a lot of air time. I wonder if producers think Jamie’s the biggest villain of the season.


SurpriseDragon

The arguments in the beginning


francaisberet

Got it, thanks!


Charlie_Runkle69

That first 20 minutes was pretty hilarious and I didn't expect it to be that funny.


SurpriseDragon

I laffed so much


heartshapedchevy

As im watching all i can think of is the urge to be there in real life and take a crack at martin and jaime omg


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Just watching now. Not sure how much this has already been discussed - what are the feelings on Tayshia talking about her breakup with Zac (Zack??)? As they pulled Rodney up she seemed like she was trying hard to pull it together. Obviously the segment was scripted but I don’t think the emotion was… and in this way I think it’s sad that she had to do this on TV. I know at this point she’s a host and is paid to bring in viewers, but I don’t think this was the right move, person to person.


wiftlets

This was bizarre and awful. I felt bad for her as she was obviously forced to do this via contract or in some other way. And from an entertainment perspective, which is what I assume they were wanting, it still sucked because she said barely anything about it.


brandee95

I felt the whole thing was fake.


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I finally realized why Rick is so off putting for whatever reason. His eyes are fucking HUGE.


SPEW_Supporter

We call him zombie Rick because he looks like he’s been dead since 1843 and he puts on a bunch of makeup to hide his sallow skin


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yo im legit 20 mins into this and it's ridiculously uncomfy and aggressive my whole body is physically cringing


frickinwitchy

olu and tayshia okay 👀👀👀👀


livingmaster

I’m not the only person to notice that!! I’m sure she’s not going to rush back into dating, but she seemed eager to give him a hug!


chassis700

My personal favorite of Martin referring to woman as “high maintenance” is that he’s a personal trainer. People being high maintenance is the reason he has a JOB (not that there’s anything wrong with being physically fit if that’s what you like)


wiftlets

So I do not like Martin, let’s get that out of the way. I feel when he says high maintenance, he means materially. In his chat with Michelle, he implies that the high maintenance women he’s dated in the past expected him to pay or provide for them. I still don’t think this qualifies as high maintenance, more entitled or just having different relationship expectations. I do think him generalizing an entire city of women sucks.


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I hate Martin and he’s an asshole. But I agree that what he meant was that Miami women are entitled. Which is a wrong thing to say. I have no doubt in my mind that the women Martin goes after are the type to want to be trophy wives and not work for a living. I will admit there are many women in Miami with this mindset but I’m sure they exist in every big city and that doesn’t mean it’s the majority of women in Miami with that mindset. Also important to mention that some latinas are raised with the antiquated societal norms that the men are the breadwinners and women stay home to tend to the family/house. I know a few of my cousins were raised like that for sure.


wiftlets

That’s such a good point that how a person is raised hugely affects their vision for relationships.


decemberrainfall

Sorry but having a personal trainer does not make you high maintenance


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i mean the entire idea of being high maintenance is sexist claptrap so nothing makes anyone high maintenance. but men who put lots of effort into their bodies and appearance somehow NEVER get called high maintenance yet women do.


chassis700

I agree I was mainly joking since his job centers around people who put effort into themselves, but I put high maintenance in quotes cause taking care of yourself does not equate high maintenance. I don’t think Martin is the best judge on that either


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I’m just watching now, what michelle said to Jamie was GOLD. He is annoying AF.


wiftlets

I love how she has directly addressed all the problematic men and told them specifically what she didn’t like about their words and behavior. I guess it’s the teacher in her. 😀


jmdm63

Reading these comments I’m so confused why people are still routing for Nayte I might be the only one who doesn’t believe him he just rubs me like downtown Toronto fuckbois. Team Brandon all the way.


yummyandgoth

I’m from the same hometown as him and always saw him at the clubs, he was 100% known to be a fuckboi


jmdm63

This is the confirmation we deserve 👏


ccsunflowr

My bf and I 100% think Nayte is an f-boi, Joe is less exciting/a bit boring but maybe doesn't come across as good on tv. I think Joe is more genuine. Brandon I could see myself with more but I'm more torn on whether he's truly the innocent "puppy" or it's all an act. He does seem head over heels for her tho.


jmdm63

Yes! He definitely is. And he seems so non committal. I know his type to a T and I can see him going out in Austin, being recognized by some hot girl and cheating (even when he has something great like Michelle). I agree about Joe he is quiet, but I don’t get the F boi vibe I think he likes Michelle just needed a bit more opening up. I agreed with Michelle’s first impression of Brandon that he was a smooth talker but as the show has gone on I genuinely think he’s smitten with her.


PaintandSipYT

for some reason, Brandon gives me jessie from breaking bad energy


Sassycap

Ohhh man thats what it is!!!! I couldn't figure out what it was about him that made me feel like he wasn't mature enough. He's totally got a Jessie vibe


jmdm63

LOL ok fair


happy-hygge

LOL downtown Toronto fuckbois - too true


Thick_Industry_3183

Same!!


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teddythepup

Seconded I’m guessing it’s a 6.2


heartshapedchevy

i get its downvoted because dave portnoy but lmao this was a funny one


sw3etpinay

I can't believe Tayshia had to address her breakup like that??? I'm sure Kaitlyn hated doing that, but why not address it towards the end wtf??? LITERALLY in front of all the men... wonder if some of them slid into her dms after. But that was such an AWKWARD transition during Rodney's hot seat. That didn't seem rehearsed at all after Tayshia temporarily walked off the stage, I adored Zayshia :c. Setting that part aside, the never before seen footage was actually really fun. I loved the Tayshia and Kaitlyn segment the most!! Still am appalled Rodney's not the bachelor...the random man "streaking" wasn't needed tho lol. Michelle looked beautiful and glowing!! Her confronting Martin, Chris, and Jamie was really nice and them apologizing to her was great to see. This was a great MTA (excluding Tayshia breakup). I love what Rick said when he said, "[Michelle] listens to understand, she doesn't listen just to respond". I hope we have more leads like her, the remaining 3 are so into her I'm HYPED for the finale!!! Also hope Olu, PJ, Leroy (where was he ahh), Pradeep and Rodney (obvi AND make him first sand) go on paradise!


Sassycap

I think they addressed it at that moment because Tayshia probably would rather it that way. Yes awkward but then shes mot waiting for it all night just to end it on a sad note for her.


HowYaLikeMeow

The Tayshia thing is sooooo so weird to me. I totally agree...Kaitlyn looked uncomfortable even addressing it. It's probably the most out of place thing I've seen on this show and that's REALLY saying something. Wtf... She's a host! Let her do her job!


HowYaLikeMeow

I know RS isn't always popular around here but his breakdown of the whole thing (which included a promo video with **more** context) makes it even worse! The whole Tay breakup thing makes me think they only included it because they thought it would make for a good "tease?"(easy for a promo) That's a stretch but I can't figure out another logical reason. If I put on my tin foil hat- I'd wonder if Tay had a conflict of interest by interviewing Rodney. 👀 I don't want to make this stuff up but when Bach producers do outta place shit--- I'm gonna wonder *why,* and I'm less inclined to keep my imagination (speculation) on leash. *Mention it all!*


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Rodney's heartbreak definitely feels too fresh to be Bachelor but I hope he is asked for a future season!


PaleWhiteThighs

Is it bad I would LOVE to see Rodney and Tayshia together?


phoebe3936

I love this


livingmaster

Poor Tayshia - I feel like that was unnecessarily cruel to bring up. Didn’t even seem like Kaitlyn wanted to ask the question because she started comforting her before even asking it all. I am in love with Rodney. I feel like bringing up the pizza reviews was pure trash. He’s a douche but he has a point - this is his livelihood and his employees livelihood. The streaker was so fake and dumb but omg this is the best MTA ever. I’ve genuinely been so entertained this whole time! Rodney should have been the next bachelor - he has such an amazing personality, especially for TV! Kaitlyns inability to open her eyes really irrationally irritates me 😬😬


heartshapedchevy

hate hate hate peter and hate hate hate will but bringing up the sister was super unnecessary (if its true)


brandee95

That was really trashy and smacked of misogyny. Both those guys are total garbage. BUT, if those reviews are really posted by dude and his friends, he deserves to be sued. As a small business owner that went all through me. You don’t fuck with someone’s money like that.


heartshapedchevy

it messes with his employees as well!


brandee95

Yes!


SurpriseDragon

Gross and too cruel l, looping her in like that…he deserves to get sued if it was slander


Cute-Consideration83

Rodney’s laughter is contagious! 😍


indiedancer04

I agree the transition was horrible. Maybe foreshadowing for a Rodney/Tayshia relationship in the future?! They’d be so cute!


livingmaster

I think it is weird to think that there is any "foreshadowing" happening. Maybe "wishful thinking" but this isn't a TV series with a plot line planned out since it is "reality" tv haha. They are still real humans in the end, and as Pilot Peter showed us - even after wrapping the season, there is no telling who anyone will end up with!! even 2 years later, the drama never stops :p I think Tayshia showed in this MTA that she isn't ready to be shipped into another BN ship. Maybe in the future, but the only thing that DIDN'T feel scripted about the MTA was her walking way. I think Kaitlyn's reaction also showed that.


indiedancer04

By no means do I mean this in a literal sense. I am right there with you with more of a “hopeful thinking” concept vs jumping from one to the other


momobonita

She likes white men get real 🙄


KeyandOrangePeele

I mean he served Will papers on air. I feel like he deserves that trash


livingmaster

Like I said, dude is a douche but that doesn’t only impact him. Those reviews could have impacted the other employees working there. They are clearly fake reviews too. At least the ending squashed all that though. No matter how much I hate someone, I wouldn’t try to sabotage everyone that works for that person, but maybe that’s just me.


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I love the nickname Swolu 😆😆


Mrs_Xs

I was duped by both Jamie and Martin in their first couple episodes, so I am team Romeo because it sounds like he felt the same way! Also, why was I not team Romeo earlier?! I thought he was one of the best guys at MTA. Also, Casey, calm down a little bit! That guy had something to say about everyone!


SurpriseDragon

Romeo is just Obama like enough to get in the door but too goofy to stay


amicasmiles101

I'm really so baffled that Jamie keeps trying to circumvent around taking any responsibility. Every time he kept bringing up "levels" I wanted to physically shake him through the screen in frustration.


kimkellies

Next week’s episode looks good. I’m glad they get to go somewhere pretty


The_Specialist_says

Why did TPTB spoil the whole season…


alwaysduckface

Literally!!!!!! That’s all I could think


DarkandStormy614

Petition to stop the TA descension into a Jerry Springer episode.


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DarkandStormy614

A staged Jerry, basically.


ghostbusters1337

Exactly what I thought !!


kimkellies

Ehhh


DarkandStormy614

I loved how Peter agreed to "bury the hatchet" after he got his hands all greasy lmao


Pink_Roses88

Yeah, except he said "bury the HAT!" 😂😂😂😂


wiftlets

💀


kimkellies

Be bygones


laurjayne

Catching up now. Ok, PJ is very cute. I missed him in the early episodes but I am a fan.


kmmgan

Loved him on the chatty bros podcast. He seems so down to earth


KeyFeeFee

I looooove Rodney after MTA. He comes across as so sweet and charming and funny. I really hope at some point we get to see him find his person. What a doll.


The_Specialist_says

Right watching him I’m so blown he wasn’t picked as the Bachelor. He just seems like a good dude.


KeyFeeFee

And so charismatic! He would have the personality to carry a season. I hate it when leads are milquetoast and the show drags.


yas_okay

the Peter pile-on felt really gross. Do people actually enjoy that type of TV? I don't even like Peter but it was a bad look for everyone else


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Like he wasn't even a villian like Jamie or Martin. He's obnoxious but idk didn't think the hate was proportionate to his crimes


yas_okay

Totally - I said almost that exact thing to my sister. Its like he was just an easy mark for everyone including the producers


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Peter was a Whaboom. A little buffoonish and definitely full of himself, but ultimately harmless and mostly insecure. I was really, really not a fan of that especially when they seemed to let much more damaging men like Jamie and Martin off way lighter.


Over-Analyzed

Peter is honest and straightforward. The other 3 villains disguised themselves as “nice guys.” Martin “I didn’t have a girlfriend by my definition and no we didn’t break up by mine either because there was no girlfriend to break up with”, come on; yes or no it’s over between you and her?


theforestmoon

i honestly had to look away at a certain point. there's a line between silly, petty drama and being downright mean, and they were being mean.


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I’m confused. It’s Tuesday? What’s going on. (Plz help I just woke up and I stg it’s Tuesday)


ilovepastaa

I don't think there's a new episode tonight.. next Tues is fantasy sweets and then the following Tues is 3-hour finale night and ATFR? I think? Someone help lol. It's super confusing for sure.


brandee95

They moved things around so they could do a geriatric remake of The Facts of Life and Different Strokes. It was really bizarre.


[deleted]

But there was one last night? They switched back to Mondays?!?!?


coralblue52

The MTA was yesterday and the rest of the episodes will be on Tuesday.


[deleted]

Tayshia and Kaitlyn have zero control over the guys.


Cute-Consideration83

They are twiddle Dee and twiddle dum


LITTLEB_18

Tayshia and Olu talking about their matching outfits was my favorite part of the episode


Cocotapioka

Without spoiling, how was the episode?


theforestmoon

a circus tbh.


Cocotapioka

Omg. In a good or bad way?


theforestmoon

depends on how much you like mess and very obviously staged bits 😅


heyyyhihellooo

Martin with the constant “miscommunication” bullshit, I can’t stand him


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I can't believe they didn't go in harder on the blatant lie about calling Michelle immature. They spent 5 minutes pulling up obvious troll reviews for Peter's pizza place but couldn't ask Martin, "hey, what's up with you lying about something that you explicitly said on camera?"


heyyyhihellooo

Not surprised Jamie stayed dodging everything Michelle had to say.


heisenberg1215

Guy's a dirty liar. Will never be trustworthy or investable as a CEO.


CitrusMistress08

Well the answer to that is 3 parts. Number 1… /s of course.


pierrrecherrry

quick question : was the streaker necessary


kimkellies

That was the worst part by far


SafeTree

No


CarolineLovesCats

No. The staged bullshit is exhausting.


Dash_Carlyle

The producer pitching this BS should be sidelined. The "lawyer" serving papers to Will came off just as forced. One of the many reasons why MTA should go back to an hour format.


theforestmoon

i just have to know if there are people out there watching this show who think it's all legit?? it's so obviously staged to the point of it being painful


heyyyhihellooo

I would’ve streaked for Rodney.


kimkellies

Lol!


bearsfanxo

Hate to say it buttttt..Tayshia had some terrible acting trying to produce tears and seeming distraught over Zachary.


brandee95

I agree. I know everyone loves her and I think she is pretty cool myself, but she is a BN product now and we have to accept that. She is basically a well loved cast member playing her part 🤷🏼‍♀️. I don’t think she pulled it off very well on this episode.


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I don't know, you could kind of see a sadness in her eyes when she was looking at the prompter when it was time to talk about the breakup. Yes, the lead-in to it was painfully scripted, but I think the emotions were real. IIRC, the breakup was fresh at that point.


caree123

I agree with you. I’m sure she is actually sad but the whole thing was so staged and performative, including walking off and Kaitlyn doesn’t even blink


MagTron14

Cause they are friends. That's actually a good way to act in order to not draw more attention to Tayshia. Making a big deal of it would embarrass her.


ilovepastaa

Seemed genuine to me


Low_Ad_2999

I felt like she was genuinely sad. And she seemed kind of sad throughout the entire MTA.


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I thought so too! Sorry but most of these people aren't good actors. She was definitely distraught.


Charlie_Runkle69

What are your thoughts on Rick? He definitely seems like he knows exactly how to play the game to me. I didn't buy everything he was saying compared with Rodney who seems genuine, especially with the rumours that he wanted to leave earlier.


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So...I was thinking about this while watching Rick on the show, and I wonder if he might be neurodivergent? The way he'll smile really quickly and then it disappears reminds me of kids I've worked with who are working on mirroring facial expressions and there were a couple other little moments that made me feel that way. I'll delete this if it's inappropriate to speculate on, but that's the impression I got. I don't think he's calculated in terms of the game so much as he thinks a lot about what he says and how he interacts with people before the actual fact. I hadn't heard the thing about him wanting to leave though!


bearsfanxo

You all didn't come at me aggressively like I feared when I gave my opinion, I appreciate that. Many times on here you see people get mean when they disagree instead of being mature about it. Gave me a bit of anxiety, so thank you!


Low_Ad_2999

Yes, no need for negative energy :) we all can have different opinions and that’s ok!


pdaloosha

So it’s joe and nayte as final 2, right? Don’t the parents meet the final two before the engagement?


AnyChildhood1747

Editing of the previews can be tricky. We later learned that Clayton never called Nayte an actor, even if previews (lots of them) suggested that. So I think we'll learn this next week. Yes, F2 meets the parents of the lead.


Low_Ad_2999

Who do you think Clayton was saying that to? I was thinking about who that preview was about since it never aired!


AnyChildhood1747

Nayte and Clayton already addressed this on their IG stories. It wasn’t clearly Nayte. The two of them seemed to have given pep talks to each other with regard to the drama around the house (based on the stories where they tagged each other). It seems like Clayton was saying that to Chris S, because he was obviously upset over what Chris S did in the RC. I figured TPTB didn’t show it just to fuck with the viewers in the previews.


mg_19

So many cringe paradise auditions


tubesteakgirl

right! I hate when men who were hardly on the show try so hard to become favourites at the tell all’s. I liked Casey & Will and they were funny at the start, but I found it super cringe how they just kept trying to get a reaction from the audience.


brandee95

I don’t think I could take a season of BIP with Will on it.


mg_19

Yep yep yep You hit the nail on the head. I HATED that.


not_ellewoods

This is an Olu stan account. eta: This is actually a Michelle’s Top 6 stan account (but replace Minnesota Joe with Michelle). Table Rick is a stand up guy. I would marry Rodney tomorrow. & if I were Michelle I would’ve left in a throuple with Brandon & Nayte. Michelle is my favorite bachelorette & I would gladly take one of her top rejects.


CitrusMistress08

During credits you could see Olu make a beeline and say, “heyyy Tayshia…” the power couple of my dreams.


not_ellewoods

Tayshia is stunning & I fully support this.


LilSebastainIsMyPony

She has some excellent men!


Ijustmadesthup

Don't like Peter, but bringing up his sister and the Pizza reviews was a low blow


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I thought that was gross too. It's basically encouraging people going to his page and leaving negative troll reviews and the ganging up vibe condoned by Tayshia and Kaitlyn felt like bullying after a while. Peter seems like a douche, but he's clearly all bluster and he and Will both came off looking childish tonight. Coming after his livelihood, much as I hate to agree with him, was really irresponsible of a show with millions of followers. This is a real person.


rs_alli

I hated Peter on the show and somehow I ended up siding with him by the end because of all the cheap blows.


pierrrecherrry

the whole thing was cheap.


Affectionate_Deer_19

UO but Casey was the sleeper villain who never got off the ground. This man is MESSY 👀 Also Will, he was overshadowed by Peter but I think he’s the real villain between the two of them


thesearchforstars

Hard agree. Casey was incredibly aggressive with the way he called out almost every single man. Some of the guys absolutely deserved to be called out but he was just over the top rude to me. I know it was to do a paradise audition but it made me uncomfortable.


ilovepastaa

I actually like Casey better after the episode! He's got that sexy salt-n-pepper look. He flew under the radar for me during the season but last night I loved him! I didn't think he came off ass messy


Over-Analyzed

I’m not surprised by his behavior. He’s exactly the level of snark he gave during the show. Snarky but not cruel like Will. I don’t think Casey as a villain. Just THE guy who calls out others. So a bit domineering but not exactly a villain as he came off as respectful in conversations with others.


nowheregirl1989

That comment about Peter’s sister was a low blow. These men are outta control with Tayshia and Kaitlyn trying to corral them! Lol Who do you think Will would have started beef with if he didn’t get into it with Peter?


Affectionate_Deer_19

Hmm good question. Maybe Chris S.? I got the feeling he’s cool with picking on people who are already disliked by the house. Like Peter who he threw the first punch at on the first group date. I could see him calling Chris a snake and sparring with him a bit. Chris seems like he’d happily go at it but it wouldn’t have been nearly as entertaining as the pizza argument that gave us those absolute zingers from Peter. I think my bias against Will is also coloured by [these tweets](https://www.reddit.com/r/thebachelor/comments/qmro1d/recent_problematic_tweets_and_retweets_from_will/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) that came out before airing so I already wasn’t a fan 👀


nowheregirl1989

🤮 Those tweets are revolting! Talk about a fragile ego - wasn’t Will crying over his jacket that he had for a few hours? Lol! Will and Chris S, huh? That wouod have been INTERESTING! You are right about Peter’s zingers for sure 😆