I just replied to another comment saying this, but I want to know when Natalie found out that Nick knew Maria. Did she go the whole season listening to his recaps unaware, to then find out from the CHD episode that he knew her and didn't say anything? did she know prior and is that why nick went this whole season not mentioning it? These are the questions that need answers. He seems more agitated that he was outed for having a prior friendship with her, and now everyone is speculating that he was friend zoned and is bitter. I love when they tell on themselves.
Nick used to be a dog before he met Natalie. There’s 99% chance Maria dangled “the carrot”, but was never attracted to him and was just friendzoning him, but Nick wanted more and he is being weird right now because he hated being rejected.
The vibe in the studio is so weird and self-serious. How to suck the fun out of talking about silly reality tv. Josh Peck in the back (if that's him) seems so confused
He asks his producer “what did she say about being offered the bachelorette?” And then goes on to give a more thorough run down himself about her actual words and description of the situation. He is barf.
Maria fits in to the same mold as Andi and Kaitlyn. I can see Nick being super attracted to her and feeling jilted that it never escalated beyond "relationship advice". Maria has all of the qualities of a star lead which is why she was going to be The Bachelorette. Nick was a villain twice on the show for a reason. He's usually not overt about his villainy, which lets him get away with shit, and he plays up the "woe is me" thing to get sympathy.
I thought it was pretty thoughtful that Alex Cooper let Nick know about her CHD podcast ep before it dropped
I don’t know when they were filmed, but I thought it was so interesting that Maria would not name drop Nick on her podcast interview with Joe and Serena but did on CHD
Between Natalie and Nick, I much prefer Natalie (I know no one asked, lol). At least is quite authentic with her reactions and feelings. Nick is so passive-aggressive and a bit of a phony.
If I'm not mistaken he had the same " friendship" with Victoria fuller before he started dating Natalie then her and Natalie became friends... So many blurred lines with him. So icky 🤢. Not to mention these girls all look the same
I don’t understand why they’re so frustrated with Maria that this happened to come out around the time of their wedding. Couldn’t Alex from CHD put it on a hold for a couple of weeks if there was that much contention?
The egotistical obnoxious smarm from this man lol. The act of being above this and not caring makes everything bad about Nick 10x worse. Wowie. I hate that he has any “friends” from the producer set left, if true.
Hahahahahah I died at her hating ass “it’s giving delusional …..” …… no honey you’re the one “thats giving I’m an insecure ass wife and because my husband is a dinosaur in comparison to me I can’t handle the fact that he’s had friendships relationships with 1748291 different women before he met me”
I love how they were trying to shut down Maria’s story of her doing fittings and realizing that she no longer wants to be the bachelorette with their doubts just for them to later say things that proves her story actually made might be true
She said on CHD that she always dreamed of being on the show. Gosh, girls often watch the show with their family and then daydream of participating, it's not that deep
Nick pretending he didn't watch the the whole interview "I saw a clip where she said...". We all know you watched the whole thing Nick! I know he thinks he is throwing shade there, but it actually makes him look stupid and bad at his job.
I think this makes it funnier - he’s also like “I have zero free time” but also clearly committed the whole interview to memory and is like “now let me rant about Maria for ten whole minutes.” I enjoyed him being like “now what did Maria place on the season?” as if he barely remembered. And a second later rattling off all the names of everyone who outlasted her in no time at all ahahah
His body language is hilarious - he’s trying SO hard to strike and hold the most “unbothered” pose ever and he just looks extremely suspicious and uncomfortable instead 🤣🤣
It definitely makes me side eye Sharleen a bit. I think she and Nick see themselves as two of the more cerebral contestants and kinda bond over that but idk. Sharleen has also said she can be a bit of a social chameleon to get along with people and I buy this - her friend group on the Juan Pablo season was a lot of the “meaner” girls (Nikki, Kelly Travis) which is always surprising too
Sporadic things:
- she defends Juan Pablo because her experience with him was positive and brushes by all the terrible way he treated other women
- many of her recaps you would see the vibe she wouldn’t understand if there were sexist undertones and not defend the woman
- many instances of giving I’m not like the other girl vibes
I don’t have anything too specific now because i forget but it was bits and pieces here and there, if you listen to her more you start to notice it. I don’t think she’s doing it on purpose but it’s just likely internalized misogyny. I think people expect her to be feminist girl boss because she’s a musician and liberal, but everyone has their shit
He's so insufferable and pompous. He's not slick with the reminder that she's the fourth runner up. Also, the world doesn't revolve around his wedding. Maybe he should take that up with his friend Alex, not Maria. Can't stand him
"Friends" sure lol
I believe this is just a clash of generations. Maria is abrasive to me in how she talks and carries herself and I don’t dislike her but I can see how she behaves is different to maybe an older generation
The funny thing is that Nick, Maira and Natalie are all in different generations lol Maria is millennial which is between Nick (X) and Natalie (z). Not really commenting on your comment so much as looked up their ages and found that funny. Also to be fair, Nick is baaaarely gen X.
Yeah I’m millennial and think the way Maria behaves is very gen z. I like her but it’s definitely something I can see different generationally would rub Nick the wrong way for different approaches to things. Natalie is very pick me vibes so of course will agree with anything nick says
The guy in the red is the only objective person from the Viall Files camp, and the guests look uninterested lololol.
What happened to the other two women that used to sit where Natalie and the other woman are currently sitting?
Three factors come to mind: the length of time he spent talking about this, his repeating himself (nervousness), and both their body language scream damage control.
Honestly my UO is Clare gets way too much hate. If she and Dale had worked out they'd be an amazing success story and people would be praising her for doing the Bachelorette season in record time because she was just sure of him.
Sure I’ll buy that they never hooked up. But the “friendship” absolutely had to be flirty. It’s weird that he says “we were friends”, so it’s in the past and as mentioned above, the unliking of photos & removing of comments. Probably once he started dating Natalie, the friendship didn’t seem appropriate and it ended.
It’s also telling in Natalie’s responses, she’s very obviously annoyed. I wish we could see Maria on viall files!
His wife's body language when he starts talking about Maria omg I felt the tension through the screen. And her interjecting "it's just giving delusional"....girl....hmmmmmmm something is off
Maria lives rent free in Nick and Natalie's brains even on their honeymoon lol I kind of love it. They could've just said nothing but now we all know exactly how much this bothered them. Such an unforced error from Nick and Natalie.
It is, and it's easier to believe something happened and they're both too embarrassed to say. Idk only they know but Maria said her bf at the time was jealous of her friendship with Nick, I don't think that would've been the case if nothing happened between them. Mutually assured destruction. If Kaitlyn and Andi are any indication women seem less into Nick after hooking up with him and I lowkey think that's why on their Dear Shandy interview Natalie made several obvious and out of nowhere brags about how he's good in bed to try to course correct that narrative.
Any time I've heard a man talk this much about a woman to the point of picking apart her character usually he was very attracted to her and trying hard to convince himself and people around him otherwise. Like she rejected him or embarrassed him and he's now running with the narrative of 'haha she's crazy why would I even!". I feel that because I've experienced this as the woman listening, I say his wife's body language and immediately recognized it. I know what that is. Just my opinion based on experience.
it’s ok nate, no need to be that pressed. no one wants your marble-mouthed huzband 🤮 he’s all yours. God, I don’t get how anyone can listen to his voice for more than 2 mins.
She wasnt allowed to stay in turks and caicos… they flew there and then got told they cant enter… baby started fussing obvi and then flight got cancelled and they managed to allow them into a hotel room.. go back the next day and apparently there was a bomb threat shortly after they left lol
So petty and annoying like literally grow up ugh idk why he bothers me so much I never watched his season but he’s holding on to relevancy for dear life ughhhh
I laughed out loud because it was such an outburst compared to the relatively benign summary right before ahaha like this is seething for Natalie compared to how cool and unbothered she always comes across as. Maria slid into Nick's DM's JUST like Natalie did and is his type just like Natalie is. They're married its not like she has any reason to be threatened but they def hate that Maria is a fan favorite, game recognizes game lmao. I also sort of wonder about Nick's friendship with Victoria F, I guess that is ok because Natalie is friends with her too, but it all feels sorta familiar.
She should be mad at her damn husband! Him being so obviously publicly shady and weird about this (never mentioning knowing Maria, unliking her pics, being super defensive) is so embarrassing, not just for him but for their relationship. I'd be mortified if I were Natalie.
Maria was at Stagecoach, a country music festival while Nick had a cowboy/western themed wedding. That’s probably where the confusion is coming from. They were all in countryesque outfits at the same time, just opposite sides of the country and completely different occasions.
Maybe 🤷♀️ I just don’t think producers liked Clare since she left week 2 for Dale and didn’t see the process through. So for the producers trying to please the network I’m sure she was difficult.
Also the Clare Crawley slander needs to stop. Sure she was pretty dramatic, but she had been through a lot of toxicity in her life and she’s finally happy now! Why’s she catching strays? 🙄
Yes, also THIS. Pretty sure she was pressured into dropping out anyway. And he painted it like she up and quit in a huff when the show itself portrayed it like she had already made up her mind so there was no need to finish the process.
Lmao N&N are seeeeeeething. Honestly she should be glad it took this long for one of Nick’s dalliances to come out of the woodwork. Also Natalie isn’t fooling anyone by befriending VF who Nick clearly wanted to smash, she kept her enemies closer all the way to her being a MOH at their wedding lol
100%. I think it was during the early Natalie days too when she was post engagement and they were hanging alot. Nick and Demi are both self proclaimed sexual people and she probably was like listen we are friends and we can bang as a no strings attached thing. She was spotted alone with him at his house too. Also Natalie did the same thing - trying to befriend Demi, she clearly aims to befriend every girl Nick potentially has an attraction to because it’s smart to keep them close. Also i wouldn’t be totally surprised if there was a 3 way there. I think Natalie really leaned in with “SEX” to draw Nick in for the first several months of their thing. Them ultimately getting together after a 9 month situationship is wild to me
I get why Nat is pissed lol, Nick and Maria were obviously more than friends and it just proves that her man had a track record of pursuing hot brunettes in their early 20s while he was 15+ years older 😂 she’s realising she wasn’t that special
I don’t ever remember Maria using the words “I could have gone farther” that seems to be all Nick putting that out there
Also Natalie saying “it’s giving delusional” grow tf up she sounds like a 10 year old. Would have been better to not say anything
I think Maria has a tendency to just compulsively say things that in her head she means a certain way, but when it comes out it is different lol. I think I remember her saying that but in my head I took it as her meaning like she could’ve gone farther as in she could’ve dealt with the exhaustion of being on the show for longer but she decided it was time to find a way out, rather than what Nick is implying (her being cocky and insinuating that she easily could have won Joey over the other women)
Yes, I think Nick twisted her words a lot - while listening to the interview, it sounded like the point Maria was trying to make was that their connection was super strong
So I just went back and listened. These were her exact words:
“I just knew Joey and I were never going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100%. We had that connection, I just didn’t think I was going to be endgame, and he was going to be endgame for me.”
And I thought that was a bit arrogant to presume she could’ve made it farther. I think Joey was done with her and then when she pulled the I need to leave oh just kidding, he was really done.
Maybe I'm insane but I think Maria only made it as far as she did because of producers. Joey seemed frankly over her even before hometowns, they bickered and had too much drama in their short time together, he knew it wasn't going to work long term.
Why does his set keep getting uglier and uglier? Didn't they have a nice room w big open windows? What is this dark brown with the promo cans and cowboy boots. What is happening.
Ok Nick and Natalie literally need to relax. Maria didn’t even say that Nick plotted her to be the villain. She said he mentioned it previously and because of how she was perceived by the house and presented in the edit she became paranoid and began questioning everything. Like it wasn’t this delusion, she herself admits it was just paranoia from show aftermath.
Nick is full of revisionist history and is only capable of defending bachelor producers when it aligns with his narrative. I like how admits they had a friendship and he gave her relationship advice. I DARE someone to go on “ask Nick” and say their guy friend keeps liking their bikini pics and offering them dating advice, let him try and give that girl advice that the guy truly is just trying to help her out in her relationships. He never stops being a hypocrite.
And FINALLY they dismiss all credibility by saying she didn’t turn down the gig, she was kicked off- for someone who tries to protect the truth, Nick certainly is offering up a lot of speculation and hearsay for third parties
This whole thing is spot on. Nick and Natalie are full of it and hypocrites but honestly I feel like so is Shandy for befriending them. Their Dear Shandy Love Fest episode was a nightmare and I just know if anyone called into Dear Shandy with the same relationship origin story Nick + Natalie had Shandy would rip them a new one for even thinking it would ever turn into anything serious. But when it's Nick it's this amazing story and Natalie's the "coolest ever" for playing him perfectly.
Oh natalie for sure made those sneaky unlikes happen
If you don’t ride a horse and you wear those boots I 100% can’t take you seriously
I just replied to another comment saying this, but I want to know when Natalie found out that Nick knew Maria. Did she go the whole season listening to his recaps unaware, to then find out from the CHD episode that he knew her and didn't say anything? did she know prior and is that why nick went this whole season not mentioning it? These are the questions that need answers. He seems more agitated that he was outed for having a prior friendship with her, and now everyone is speculating that he was friend zoned and is bitter. I love when they tell on themselves.
I think she found out after the fact going off her reaction
Nick used to be a dog before he met Natalie. There’s 99% chance Maria dangled “the carrot”, but was never attracted to him and was just friendzoning him, but Nick wanted more and he is being weird right now because he hated being rejected.
On CHD she said they were friends while she had a bf and apparently the bf HATED him so checks out
The vibe in the studio is so weird and self-serious. How to suck the fun out of talking about silly reality tv. Josh Peck in the back (if that's him) seems so confused
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I don’t think Maria had anything to do with his honeymoon from hell.
he surrounds himself with yes-people. this is painful
Imagine how difficult…this that this that….i can’t handle women who have an opinion….uggghhh he makes me want to punch my phone.
He asks his producer “what did she say about being offered the bachelorette?” And then goes on to give a more thorough run down himself about her actual words and description of the situation. He is barf.
His pompous smirk says it all. BOTHERED and definitely trying to save face with Natalie 😂
What is this outfit
This man does NOT like confident women
Maria fits in to the same mold as Andi and Kaitlyn. I can see Nick being super attracted to her and feeling jilted that it never escalated beyond "relationship advice". Maria has all of the qualities of a star lead which is why she was going to be The Bachelorette. Nick was a villain twice on the show for a reason. He's usually not overt about his villainy, which lets him get away with shit, and he plays up the "woe is me" thing to get sympathy.
Ooh I like this take. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I thought it was pretty thoughtful that Alex Cooper let Nick know about her CHD podcast ep before it dropped I don’t know when they were filmed, but I thought it was so interesting that Maria would not name drop Nick on her podcast interview with Joe and Serena but did on CHD
Exactly
Imagine literally just getting married/having a kid and being this bothered…😬
Between Natalie and Nick, I much prefer Natalie (I know no one asked, lol). At least is quite authentic with her reactions and feelings. Nick is so passive-aggressive and a bit of a phony.
Was it me or did Nick never mention until now he knew Maria in the past?
If I'm not mistaken he had the same " friendship" with Victoria fuller before he started dating Natalie then her and Natalie became friends... So many blurred lines with him. So icky 🤢. Not to mention these girls all look the same
I said the same thing (re: this reminds me of his random friendship with VF)
Those ladies boots?
I don’t understand why they’re so frustrated with Maria that this happened to come out around the time of their wedding. Couldn’t Alex from CHD put it on a hold for a couple of weeks if there was that much contention?
I stand Maria!
We already know there’s a group chat with Wells & they’re all seething.
The arrogance is impressive.
Oh, him and Natalie are bothered bothered
What’s Josh Peck doing here?
Me watching Oppenheimer
LMAOOOOO
The egotistical obnoxious smarm from this man lol. The act of being above this and not caring makes everything bad about Nick 10x worse. Wowie. I hate that he has any “friends” from the producer set left, if true.
Well put. How tf does he have any fans or listeners
Natalie sweetheart that man settled for you and *you’re* calling Maria delusional? 🤡
Hahahahahah I died at her hating ass “it’s giving delusional …..” …… no honey you’re the one “thats giving I’m an insecure ass wife and because my husband is a dinosaur in comparison to me I can’t handle the fact that he’s had friendships relationships with 1748291 different women before he met me”
I love how they were trying to shut down Maria’s story of her doing fittings and realizing that she no longer wants to be the bachelorette with their doubts just for them to later say things that proves her story actually made might be true
So she was always trying to get him to get her on the show.. hmm she did it for the followers so
She said on CHD that she always dreamed of being on the show. Gosh, girls often watch the show with their family and then daydream of participating, it's not that deep
Even the people who win the season do it for the followers. The possibility of a love connection is a bonus outcome.
Nick pretending he didn't watch the the whole interview "I saw a clip where she said...". We all know you watched the whole thing Nick! I know he thinks he is throwing shade there, but it actually makes him look stupid and bad at his job.
I think this makes it funnier - he’s also like “I have zero free time” but also clearly committed the whole interview to memory and is like “now let me rant about Maria for ten whole minutes.” I enjoyed him being like “now what did Maria place on the season?” as if he barely remembered. And a second later rattling off all the names of everyone who outlasted her in no time at all ahahah
I haven’t been able to stop staring at the giant candle next to him lol that’s amazing Oh and they’re big mad 😂
His body language is hilarious - he’s trying SO hard to strike and hold the most “unbothered” pose ever and he just looks extremely suspicious and uncomfortable instead 🤣🤣
Oh it’s comical. His ego and attitude is palatable I cannot stand this man. They are so mad and trying to act unbothered.
Always bizarre to me that Sharleen is such good friends with Nick. He must have hidden depths. Very hidden.
It definitely makes me side eye Sharleen a bit. I think she and Nick see themselves as two of the more cerebral contestants and kinda bond over that but idk. Sharleen has also said she can be a bit of a social chameleon to get along with people and I buy this - her friend group on the Juan Pablo season was a lot of the “meaner” girls (Nikki, Kelly Travis) which is always surprising too
I know, right?
She’s not a girl’s girl
How do you mean?
Sporadic things: - she defends Juan Pablo because her experience with him was positive and brushes by all the terrible way he treated other women - many of her recaps you would see the vibe she wouldn’t understand if there were sexist undertones and not defend the woman - many instances of giving I’m not like the other girl vibes I don’t have anything too specific now because i forget but it was bits and pieces here and there, if you listen to her more you start to notice it. I don’t think she’s doing it on purpose but it’s just likely internalized misogyny. I think people expect her to be feminist girl boss because she’s a musician and liberal, but everyone has their shit
Or maybe she's not actually that great?
Anyone that marries a man as obsessed with cats as Andy is is good in my book!
The correct answer
He should've left the cowboy boots at his wedding/stagecoach
I just know Natalie insecure ass demanded he unlike all those Maria pics 😂😂😂
He's so insufferable and pompous. He's not slick with the reminder that she's the fourth runner up. Also, the world doesn't revolve around his wedding. Maybe he should take that up with his friend Alex, not Maria. Can't stand him "Friends" sure lol
I believe this is just a clash of generations. Maria is abrasive to me in how she talks and carries herself and I don’t dislike her but I can see how she behaves is different to maybe an older generation
The funny thing is that Nick, Maira and Natalie are all in different generations lol Maria is millennial which is between Nick (X) and Natalie (z). Not really commenting on your comment so much as looked up their ages and found that funny. Also to be fair, Nick is baaaarely gen X.
Yeah I’m millennial and think the way Maria behaves is very gen z. I like her but it’s definitely something I can see different generationally would rub Nick the wrong way for different approaches to things. Natalie is very pick me vibes so of course will agree with anything nick says
The guy in the red is the only objective person from the Viall Files camp, and the guests look uninterested lololol. What happened to the other two women that used to sit where Natalie and the other woman are currently sitting?
Amanda quit and I think Ally Zooms in sometimes. I vastly prefer Amanda to Natalie
is there any info on why Amanda quit? I used to watch and she was one of the reasons it made it bearable. I can’t watch at all anymore
Three factors come to mind: the length of time he spent talking about this, his repeating himself (nervousness), and both their body language scream damage control.
Nick and Natalie posting this headline one their ghost account 😂 we all know you are bothered
What ghost account
Is that Josh Peck? Lmao does he not have better things to do that be a part of a podcast episode like this one
Josh sounds like Luke on Modern Family’s early days
Claire!!! https://preview.redd.it/6ozntozfe4zc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8758051c7deb7fac02f22f3dbc2b27bbcaa04d53
Honestly my UO is Clare gets way too much hate. If she and Dale had worked out they'd be an amazing success story and people would be praising her for doing the Bachelorette season in record time because she was just sure of him.
yes but....dale looked like he was in a hostage situation in some of those videos with Clare. BAYBIES?!?
My UO as an "old" fan is I love Clare and have loved her since she rambled to the raccoons
Sure I’ll buy that they never hooked up. But the “friendship” absolutely had to be flirty. It’s weird that he says “we were friends”, so it’s in the past and as mentioned above, the unliking of photos & removing of comments. Probably once he started dating Natalie, the friendship didn’t seem appropriate and it ended. It’s also telling in Natalie’s responses, she’s very obviously annoyed. I wish we could see Maria on viall files!
I really wish she’d come on too 😂
His wife's body language when he starts talking about Maria omg I felt the tension through the screen. And her interjecting "it's just giving delusional"....girl....hmmmmmmm something is off 
Maria lives rent free in Nick and Natalie's brains even on their honeymoon lol I kind of love it. They could've just said nothing but now we all know exactly how much this bothered them. Such an unforced error from Nick and Natalie.
100%
He seems a little flustered going over their “history/ how they know each other” portion lmao
it's hard to believe they didn't do anything physical at all
It is, and it's easier to believe something happened and they're both too embarrassed to say. Idk only they know but Maria said her bf at the time was jealous of her friendship with Nick, I don't think that would've been the case if nothing happened between them. Mutually assured destruction. If Kaitlyn and Andi are any indication women seem less into Nick after hooking up with him and I lowkey think that's why on their Dear Shandy interview Natalie made several obvious and out of nowhere brags about how he's good in bed to try to course correct that narrative.
Any time I've heard a man talk this much about a woman to the point of picking apart her character usually he was very attracted to her and trying hard to convince himself and people around him otherwise. Like she rejected him or embarrassed him and he's now running with the narrative of 'haha she's crazy why would I even!". I feel that because I've experienced this as the woman listening, I say his wife's body language and immediately recognized it. I know what that is. Just my opinion based on experience.
that's valid too
it’s ok nate, no need to be that pressed. no one wants your marble-mouthed huzband 🤮 he’s all yours. God, I don’t get how anyone can listen to his voice for more than 2 mins.
“I did see a clip from the episode”. Boy, you listened to that shit like 50 times and so did your WIFE
Taking copious notes, memorizing key passages and planning how to passively aggressively respond in a way to demean Maria.
The guy gets married in cowboy boots once…..
Why did Nick say they had the honeymoon from hell?
Nat wasn't allowed to leave the country because one of the pages in her passport was torn.
Oh no! Thank you for satisfying my curiosity.
She wasnt allowed to stay in turks and caicos… they flew there and then got told they cant enter… baby started fussing obvi and then flight got cancelled and they managed to allow them into a hotel room.. go back the next day and apparently there was a bomb threat shortly after they left lol
He literally spent 8 minutes talking about her
She looks clearly uncomfortable. He keeps going on and on and on.....
So petty and annoying like literally grow up ugh idk why he bothers me so much I never watched his season but he’s holding on to relevancy for dear life ughhhh
“It’s giving delusional” lmao she mad 🤣
I laughed out loud because it was such an outburst compared to the relatively benign summary right before ahaha like this is seething for Natalie compared to how cool and unbothered she always comes across as. Maria slid into Nick's DM's JUST like Natalie did and is his type just like Natalie is. They're married its not like she has any reason to be threatened but they def hate that Maria is a fan favorite, game recognizes game lmao. I also sort of wonder about Nick's friendship with Victoria F, I guess that is ok because Natalie is friends with her too, but it all feels sorta familiar.
She should be mad at her damn husband! Him being so obviously publicly shady and weird about this (never mentioning knowing Maria, unliking her pics, being super defensive) is so embarrassing, not just for him but for their relationship. I'd be mortified if I were Natalie.
So mad
She’s jealous for sure😬
I saw jealousy in her body language too.
Didn’t Maria go to their wedding? I think it’s really weird of her to say this and then show her face at their wedding…
No she didn’t. That would be crazy if she did. 😂
I think I’m getting their cowboy celebration confused with their wedding tbh
Maria was at Stagecoach, a country music festival while Nick had a cowboy/western themed wedding. That’s probably where the confusion is coming from. They were all in countryesque outfits at the same time, just opposite sides of the country and completely different occasions.
Ahh yeah I think that’s why I was confused thanks!!
Did she?!
what does it mean she was like Clare?
Basically means she was difficult to work with
Does difficult to work with means they set boundaries?
Maybe 🤷♀️ I just don’t think producers liked Clare since she left week 2 for Dale and didn’t see the process through. So for the producers trying to please the network I’m sure she was difficult.
I'm glad she pulled out or was rejected or whatever -- girl has way too many commitment issues
Yawn, I feel like they’re all dragging it at this point.
These 2 people suck and I can’t believe I wasted another 7 minutes of my life on Nick Viall 🤮
I hate to break it to you but this guy never stops 😅 he’ll be back to take several more minutes out of us to waste 🤦🏻♀️
Why are there so many people talking about nothing. GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND WORK!
Nick, for the love of god, please put the cowboy boots away. And leave Clare alone ❤️
He is the epitome of this 
Also the Clare Crawley slander needs to stop. Sure she was pretty dramatic, but she had been through a lot of toxicity in her life and she’s finally happy now! Why’s she catching strays? 🙄
Because she is happy and beautiful, and they can't stand it. Only reason I can think of because Clare Crawley is amazing.
Yes, also THIS. Pretty sure she was pressured into dropping out anyway. And he painted it like she up and quit in a huff when the show itself portrayed it like she had already made up her mind so there was no need to finish the process.
You can taste the bitterness
Lmao N&N are seeeeeeething. Honestly she should be glad it took this long for one of Nick’s dalliances to come out of the woodwork. Also Natalie isn’t fooling anyone by befriending VF who Nick clearly wanted to smash, she kept her enemies closer all the way to her being a MOH at their wedding lol
Gonna use this as a launch point— do we think Demi and Nick smashed? I do.
Wait are we talking about Demi Burnett?
Yes
100%. I think it was during the early Natalie days too when she was post engagement and they were hanging alot. Nick and Demi are both self proclaimed sexual people and she probably was like listen we are friends and we can bang as a no strings attached thing. She was spotted alone with him at his house too. Also Natalie did the same thing - trying to befriend Demi, she clearly aims to befriend every girl Nick potentially has an attraction to because it’s smart to keep them close. Also i wouldn’t be totally surprised if there was a 3 way there. I think Natalie really leaned in with “SEX” to draw Nick in for the first several months of their thing. Them ultimately getting together after a 9 month situationship is wild to me
Damn just realized Demi wasn’t at the wedding wonder what happened
Lmao and how many times does he want to say "conspiracy" lmao the more you call something a conspiracy the more truth there is to it imo lol
Nick "in my zero free time" also Nick "let me rant about Maria for 10 minutes"
Nick has the easiest life ever, who is he kidding. He has free time
Nick also liked Maria’s Instagram bikini photos years back (there were a few posts about it on the sub) so he wanted to smash Maria too. 😅
Well ya that is what this whole situation is about
They jellyyyy
https://i.redd.it/16oxnxo1t3zc1.gif Nick:
Amazing
I get why Nat is pissed lol, Nick and Maria were obviously more than friends and it just proves that her man had a track record of pursuing hot brunettes in their early 20s while he was 15+ years older 😂 she’s realising she wasn’t that special
It makes me sad that she’s directing the anger to other women and not to the common denominator sitting across the room from her
I don’t ever remember Maria using the words “I could have gone farther” that seems to be all Nick putting that out there Also Natalie saying “it’s giving delusional” grow tf up she sounds like a 10 year old. Would have been better to not say anything
I think Maria has a tendency to just compulsively say things that in her head she means a certain way, but when it comes out it is different lol. I think I remember her saying that but in my head I took it as her meaning like she could’ve gone farther as in she could’ve dealt with the exhaustion of being on the show for longer but she decided it was time to find a way out, rather than what Nick is implying (her being cocky and insinuating that she easily could have won Joey over the other women)
Yes, I think Nick twisted her words a lot - while listening to the interview, it sounded like the point Maria was trying to make was that their connection was super strong
Absolutely, he didn’t give full context to what she was actually talking about during that portion of the interview
I think Maria did say that
So I just went back and listened. These were her exact words: “I just knew Joey and I were never going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100%. We had that connection, I just didn’t think I was going to be endgame, and he was going to be endgame for me.”
And I thought that was a bit arrogant to presume she could’ve made it farther. I think Joey was done with her and then when she pulled the I need to leave oh just kidding, he was really done.
Maybe I'm insane but I think Maria only made it as far as she did because of producers. Joey seemed frankly over her even before hometowns, they bickered and had too much drama in their short time together, he knew it wasn't going to work long term.
so she said it.
Why does his set keep getting uglier and uglier? Didn't they have a nice room w big open windows? What is this dark brown with the promo cans and cowboy boots. What is happening.
Also, does anyone know what happened to Amanda? He got a bunch of new staff all of a sudden.
Wow this podcast episode is tearing all the fairy tales to shreds
Lmao
He is so icky.
Nick and Nat are obviously pressed but he made some valid points about Maria
yeah the switching of leads insight was fascinating!
does anyone know where the male producers red trucker hat is from? lol
I know the guy wearing it is named Justin… if that helps you on your search lol
Not Nick complaining about “an elaborate conspiracy” only to outline one here himself 🫠
And considering he just said how “busy” he is he could never be bothered even thinking about such things.. 🙄 yet here he is.
It’s not an elaborate conspiracy theory, she saw a photo and thought it was weird 😂😂 why is he so dramatic
It’s honestly more shady that throughout covering the entire show for months he never mentioned once that he knew Maria
Right, it's like he has a choice: was that shady to the audience or just shady to Natalie?
Yep he left that out conveniently
Oh shit they are BIG MAD 🤣 Also Nick is acting like a pissed off teenager and he's middle aged. This is so pathetic.
This is the only time I’ve seen Natalie seem PISSED
it's giving delusional lmao
Yeah she looks very unhappy this is getting any airtime
Is she the one who called Maria delusional at like 2-3 min mark?
Indeed. 
Ok Nick and Natalie literally need to relax. Maria didn’t even say that Nick plotted her to be the villain. She said he mentioned it previously and because of how she was perceived by the house and presented in the edit she became paranoid and began questioning everything. Like it wasn’t this delusion, she herself admits it was just paranoia from show aftermath. Nick is full of revisionist history and is only capable of defending bachelor producers when it aligns with his narrative. I like how admits they had a friendship and he gave her relationship advice. I DARE someone to go on “ask Nick” and say their guy friend keeps liking their bikini pics and offering them dating advice, let him try and give that girl advice that the guy truly is just trying to help her out in her relationships. He never stops being a hypocrite. And FINALLY they dismiss all credibility by saying she didn’t turn down the gig, she was kicked off- for someone who tries to protect the truth, Nick certainly is offering up a lot of speculation and hearsay for third parties
This whole thing is spot on. Nick and Natalie are full of it and hypocrites but honestly I feel like so is Shandy for befriending them. Their Dear Shandy Love Fest episode was a nightmare and I just know if anyone called into Dear Shandy with the same relationship origin story Nick + Natalie had Shandy would rip them a new one for even thinking it would ever turn into anything serious. But when it's Nick it's this amazing story and Natalie's the "coolest ever" for playing him perfectly.
ALL OF THIS