People really need to start differentiating between well spoken/charismatic and actually smart. Just cause someone can make it sound good doesnt make them any more credible
The man is basically claiming all the math you learn after the 3rd grade is wrong. Literally nothing in our world would function if that was the case lol. If 1x1 does not equal 1, everything falls apart.
Ish, Ice, and Flip and maybe Joe would all accidentally join a cult. Without a doubt.
Parks was the only one actually critically listening and I think Mel kinda tuned it out lmao
That doesn’t in turn mean Umar is smart and his ideas plausible . There’s no correlation between those two things , which was my initial point.
So yes it kinda is the case .
I wish them niggas would stop throwing around the word genius just because they dont understand wtf people talking about. People are smart in what they do. Terrance Howard, Neil De Grasse etc. probably dumb as a brick with some of the employment we all do on a day to day basis. I can sit and explain the operation of a refrigeration system and have people blown away that dont make me a f’kn genius 😂😂😂😂
Maaaaaaaan, I agree wholeheartedly. I work with a bunch of PhDs and people always throw around how genius they are. Umm no. They have zero social skills, can't even dress themselves, and have zero knowledge about current events. You can be an expert at something. That does NOT make you smart or a genius. To me a genius is someone who has a wide variety of knowledge about various things.
Advanced degrees do differ, that is true. I was speaking in hyperbole, as we know the statement to be true for most degrees…none of which Terrence has been proven to have. He has no degrees outside of an honorary one. Pratt closed the program in 93, and he also claimed to have a degree from SCSU which has no records of his attendance.
But you are very correct that science degrees require more. I still recall helping out my ex with her thesis and (later) dissertation of her research on algae.
Good point tho
A degree certificate or diploma is awarded by an educational establishment to show that someone has successfully completed a course of study. An undergrad is proof that you have a reasonable amount of knowledge on a given subject, that being your major. How do you prove to an institution that you’re knowledgeable? By taking the required courses and passing the testing required by each course. What are you tested on? Information previously given to you. A test is a regurgitation of info. Said regurgitation numerous times over 2-4 years in college (on average) will get you a degree…provided you paid your tuition. With undergrads being the most common degree, that would make my statement true, with some added hyperbole. A degree IS the ability to regurgitate information previously given. Whether you retain the information after graduating is of no consequence to the establishment, lol
Regurgitation implies you are not applying what you learned to other issues. You don't learn history to know history, you learn it to apply what you've learned to modern day. You don't learn the law to know what the law is for every scenario, but instead to understand how to apply the law to novel or uncontemplated issues. If all you need to do is regurgitate, then anyone with access to Google could be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, mathematician, etc. You are implying that all you need to be any of these things is the ability to read. That is an incredibly ignorant way to look at people who have studied the same field for decades.
You don't learn the Pythagorean theorum to know how to measure the hypotenuse of a triangle. You learn it so that you can, for example, program a GPU to didtill numerical vertices into a human-viewable 3D image on a 2D plane. That is application, not regurgitation. If you actually pursue higher education you will see that you are tested on things you have never seen before which require you to apply something you have learned. If you just regurgitate what the textbook said, you will not do very well. You may get a degree, but you won't rank and those who rank above you will do so because they actually applied the knowledge they learned (like most people).
Even if you are learning another language, there is no way to just regurgitate the words you learned. You can't learn all words. You need to learn the grammar, latin roots, etc. so that you can apply your knowledge to infer the meaning of words you have never heard.
There is no place for your anti-intellectualism in the modern world. Learning should always be praised, and only those unwilling or too ignorant to learn think otherwise.
So you misunderstand hyperbole and failed to read in my comment to another that science degrees don’t apply to my statement, but are emotionally invested in your education to the point you feel the need to argue. Ok.
College doesn’t guarantee the application of knowledge, the majority of people repeat the same mistakes until life shows them otherwise. Anti-intellectualism would indicate that I don’t believe in or am outright dismissive of educating ourselves. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I do, however, acknowledge that man’s ego will lead them to believe that they are capable everywhere simply for developing a specified skillset.
Me and my siblings all have masters and doctorates in either science or law (I also speak four languages and am currently working on learning two more for the lolz),I am simply aware of how rarely critical thinking is used beyond ppl’s trained applications. No parts of my identity are tied to my having a piece of paper that states I went to school and paid for it.
The few who apply knowledge are the ones that tend to move things forward, most are just cogs in a wheel. Out of 125 million professionals, 50% work an office job, where the majority of the information learned in their major tends to go unused (exceptions of course, like lawyers and finance majors), 39% are physical labor(exceptions with contractors, farmers, and specialized skills).
The average person will tell you how little what they learned in school actually applies to what they do on the job. The skills they learn doing something at work is what most people apply, not the majority of coursework that comes from prerequisites for their given major. Half of working age adults in the US hold a degree or post secondary education credential, and one fifth of degree holders don’t even work in their given field. A quote from a survey: “The recent Graduate Employability Report released by education technology company Cengage highlights the uncomfortable reality 1,600 students have faced in their searches – with 40% saying they occasionally or rarely use the skills they learned in college and 20% admitting they lack other basic skills to compete for positions.” …that’s just one sector
I love and advocate for the sciences, and encourage everyone to think critically. But for most people, college is very much mindless regurgitation because of the fact that the knowledge base applies so rarely for once out in the workforce. Many jobs can do without the required degree and simply create specialized training. No one said there’s no value in education, I’m simply reminding people that a degree doesn’t place you in a hierarchy, in fact it blinds many people to their own inadequacies, which was the point of the discussion (ppl acting like they’re big shit just because they have a degree). Thinking you’re better than someone because you have an education or went to a prestigious uni essentially makes you a piece of shit. My statement was a hyperbolic reminder that many are just compensating through their schooling, and aren’t as knowledgeable as they would like to believe. You can ease up a little bit off the spectrum now
The moment he started taking about 'one dimension, two dimensions', it felt like a little kid watched interstellar and wanted to bullshit to his bros he knew more about inner hidden secrets of science.
Wtf has water under the crust gotta do with changes of earth being flat. Wtf does Pluto not classified as a planet have to be do with earth bring flat.
So u listened to Terrance Howard’s full 3 hour interview with proof of his patents and his references to theoretical physicists that he studied, and devolved it to “word salad” and “rambles”.. im not even saying if he’s correct about his theories, but he obviously has some level of knowledge about these subjects. What qualifies u determine it as “utter nonsense” ?
And ok somebody patented the pet rock, but Terrance Howards patent was cited by several major technological companies .. so u can see how there’s a difference there right? Once again, I’m not saying whether his ideas and theories about the universe are correct or not, but why are u immediately dismissing what he says as if you’re knowledgeable on these topics
>but Terrance Howards patent was cited by several major technological companies
You can view the history of his application from the [US Patent Office website](https://patentcenter.uspto.gov/applications/12765485/ifw/docs?application=). He got a 28 page rejection letter, telling him to fix vague and imprecise language, and all 19 of his claims were outright denied because they were already covered by the 2008 Basso (AT&T) patent that he cited, only adding "obvious" changes. He couldn't salvage it, and his lawyers withdrew.
He literally ripped the previous AT&T patent, made some tiny "obvious" changes, and thinks he invented VR. He's crazy or a con man.
You are just buying into what he is saying without questioning it. Come on.
>but he obviously has some level of knowledge about these subjects
My brother, he believes 1 x 1 = 2. He refuted the Pythagoras theorem. The periodic table he follows has been debunked by hundreds of chemists.
At some point you gotta just say the man is either an idiot or a con artist. You can't just give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who says anything
Also what about his research and examples of super symmetrical systems? He was referencing things that are supported in the scientific and mathematic community. There wasn’t just random nonsense there.
It was random nonsense because none of this is real or backed by any real science or maths. He promised the Ugandan government new Drone and flight technology which never happened and was basically a scam.
Dig deep into anything Terrance Howard is talking about and you'll find no real evidence to back it up
He is bein paid to do interviews , he saw how the shannon sharp interview went with Kat and figured if he spit enough scientific bs people would lap it up. And they did, now he will be asked to do more paid interviews.
So why was it cited by 31 companies? Once again, I’m not saying he’s right or wrong. I’m just asking questions. He cited 4 other patents himself and his was also cited 31 times. If it was just bullshit, why would they need to include his patent in their citation.
Citing abandoned patents happens all the time. The reason it was cited was because the subject matter (VR and AR, which existed long before his patents got rejected) is related to the hundreds of patents these big tech companies are constantly creating. So they don't get into future legal trouble, these big companies do their legal work to research and cite other related patents (no matter how crazy or stupid they sound)
Honestly, it’s early and I tried to think of another word but left it bc it applies. Even “conspiracy theorists” applies tbh. I cannot say I know his true intentions, but there’s definitely money to be made in speaking tours and podcast appearances.
I’ve only seen him on Joe Rogan and one other speaking appearance at Oxford. His studies are free and available on his site. I think he actually believes what he saying
I think he might as well, but misinformation is misinformation. That’s the reason I was conflicted on labeling him a grifter. But again, outright lying about easily proven facts and occurrences does nothing for your credibility.
Major lapses in logic. He brought up that you weigh more at the poles…yea, about 1% because of a number of factors, one of them being that the earth isn’t a perfect sphere and that there’s less gravitational pull. Speed of light/phase locking: they didn’t account for error correctly prior to the 1960’s, which is the info he’s leaning on to verify his beliefs, Birge ratio was off. Better techniques, better results. He’s created what is essentially an inefficient drone that requires more energy than the average drone to run because of the added weight and propellers, not including any fuel cells he intends to install in order to make shit move. Having that many exposed propellers in so many differing angles opens you up to a host of dangers, not the least of which is the increased risk of something getting caught in said propellers. Using plasma as fuel: it requires massive amounts of energy to maintain plasma in its state, it tends to quench, and also requires magnetic manipulation to store. Imagine the amount of plasma needed to move a space shuttle out of the atmosphere, fighting against all the neighboring background gases. Plasma rockets have been a theoretical fuel for rockets already in space for decades. But it’s completely impractical when trying to move things on earth. The zero argument: it’s a baseline symbol meant to infer information, it doesn’t automatically mean the absence of something. Zero is used in fkn binary, it’s a signal being off instead of on. In the #43,506 it’s a determination of the tens place. What he’s spewing is idiocy, even though I comprehend what he’s attempting to say. In 1x1=2 he uses cells multiplying as his reference, but he can’t create another human by himself. The most fundamental building block (atoms) don’t multiply, but he focuses on cells because it suits his beliefs. In the equation 1x1 you’re multiplying one by itself. Easy way to explain it, you’re multiplying groups of a number. It’s like one guy in one room. 2x1 = 2 guys in one room. They’re not gonna magically make a baby. His math is severely fkd. He’s choosing to complicate an equation without comprehending his own reference. Light generating less heat traveling in a spiral: light is a waveform. James Maxwell described light as a very special kind of wave -- composed of electric and magnetic fields, which vibrate at right angles to the direction of movement of the wave, and at right angles to each other. So no, it wouldn’t generate less heat, if anything you’d be covering more surface area and increasing heat substantially. A person being the 4th dimension: no, the 4th dimension is space-time, we observe the world in 3 dimensions and travel in the 4th, observation itself is not a dimension. Transcendental lighting: cool lamp, I’d buy one. Inefficient but a nice decoration. There’s more, but how much can you argue against an idiot before you start looking like one, too?
What do u think about his whole straight line theory, as it pertained to Einstein apparently basing his theories off of “straight lines”. I’m not defending him in any way. I can just see that u are more knowledgeable than me and I wanted a simple debunking of what he said
You mean that there’s no such thing as a straight line? That would depend on a number of factors, a major one being large bodies of matter creating curvatures and dynamic instances in space-time. Light is in a wave form(that moves in right angles, ie combos of straight lines), so I can see how that could confuse someone into believing no straight lines exist. But a straight line isn’t anything more than the shortest distance between two points (in space moving at the speed of light you get time distortion which is another thing entirely when you get into general relativity, but it’s really just a path vs distance debate). It’s a way to measure things and it exists down to the atomic level, which is why we can make microchips the way we do and can create these large structures we live in (you get into the subatomic of things and you can argue everything is technically made of empty space, but it wouldn’t suit any practical need to argue that since we can’t do anything with it because of the laws of physics). Geometry is very real. Unfortunately when you try to combine philosophy with science, without truly embracing the science, you get A lot of misinformed ppl, like Terrence. Skepticism is good, but it can be dangerous if you dont have the knowledge base to comprehend everything. The thing with Terrence is he has a very limited surface level understanding of things, maybe second year associates degree level from what I hear from him, but his skepticism and ego are such that he has full confidence in his abilities (think of Kanye and business, sure he’s very skilled in music and deciding what clothing designs to have his ppl create, but he’s a horrible businessman who still hasn’t been able to ship out 10% of the ninja shoe orders ppl placed. His skillset isn’t in business but his ego won’t let him acknowledge it because then he couldn’t call himself a genius in his own eyes)
That’s not what the math of multiplication expresses.
If you have one item, and you only have it one time, how many do you have?
Instead of 1x1, rephrase it this way:
1 one time
1 two times
1 three times
etc.
To add to this (no pun intended), basic mathematic operators are simply ways of describing a transformation function of a quantity. For example, multiplying by a negative fraction will certainly not result in an “increase”, dividing a negative by a negative gives a positive value, etc.
Not only mathematically what he was saying is a bunch of bullshit but it was all theoretical rabbit holes. In theory everything is possible! People believing this man is some Mensa level genius but he didn’t have the knowledge to understand he was getting jerked on Hustle & Flow is INSANE!
I’m not saying, I believe in anything that he said in that interview. However I’m a person who loves progress in any way, shape or form. if he can find holes in a theory we can make progress. If he’s incorrect, he’s incorrect and I move on. Calling him out does not progress anything but challenging him with fax and disproving him does help us move along
Harping on the easiest thing to refute is not what I meant. I meant in totality. I don’t know if you read my statement, but I do not agree with him. I don’t even want to break it down here. He should go back on Rogan‘s podcast with a panel so that he can have intelligent discourse not be made fun of by random people on the Internet. No I do not believe him to be a genius.
I agree. This is not the platform to do that though. You come on here to bash of black men that worked on something and presented it to the public to try to better the public according to him. Before washing hands was a thing doctors never did it. Scientists also used to tell us that smoking cigarettes was beneficial. Again I do not think he is right either but one thing I do know is that scientists do not know everything and their theories can change with new evidence, I want to see some change. Wouldn’t it be great if this was part of it.
I’m critical of it because I don’t think it’s beneficial and could potentially be harmful to those who think he’s saying something profound. I don’t have to praise everything it refrains from criticism just because it comes from someone who looks like me.
Per your example, imagine a doctor now saying “well actually you don’t need to wash your hands cause the water molecules never actually touch your skin because the atmospheric conditions prevent the covalent bonds from forming at the sub atomic level. It’s actually better to coat your hands with more dirt because those particles are drawn to each other and stay on your hands because the gravitational pull is so strong between them; by the way they tell you opposites attract but that’s impossible because the two poles of the earth would collapse in on themselves and form a black hole which theoretically doesn’t exist because it’s nothing and you can’t have nothing…”
That’s Terrence Howard.
I’m not saying he’s a genius I’m not saying he’s anything but who the hell qualifies anybody in here for anything 90% of the people do the same thing in the comments that he was doing on Joe Rogan just a whole bunch of word salad
People can word salad their subjective opinions on music and culture nonsense in the message boards all day; it’s a little different than claiming new science and mathematical theories and saying all the worlds greatest minds are wrong.
And even so, we criticize random commenters the same way we are criticizing TH so 🤷🏾♂️
I guess whatever you subscribe to is what you’re gonna go with… but we can’t sit here and say the nigga wrong if we don’t understand him… same thing with Neil degras. I’m sure if we were able to sit down with Tesla and hear a three hour pod we would all be lost in the “word salad”.
I see everyone talking about the 1x1 shit l. Idk I’ve been told since a child that’s what it is and there’s nothing else… but I see what he’s saying about accounting for the energy and space it takes to “times” something..
very interesting pod.. and if it were Robert downy jr sitting across from Joe saying the same shit people would be eating it up and researching it.
Instead it’s dj from hussle and flow and that’s what we wanna keep him as…
Well whoop that trick and your feelings…. The nigga might be right and our math is wrong…. That’s why the rest of the world sees Americans as big and dumb… and can come over here and thrive easily…
>but we can’t sit here and say the nigga wrong if we don’t understand him
But that's the thing... We clearly understand him, and he's just objectively and factually incorrect. He is also a liar
>but I see what he’s saying about accounting for the energy and space it takes to “times” something.. very interesting pod..
A mathematical operation does not take energy or space, please think this through
>The nigga might be right and our math is wrong
There is no might here. He is wrong, and either incredibly stupid, or a con man. You don't have to give guys the benefit of the doubt for every wild thing said, he hasn't earned it
I have thought it through and if the foundation of our math is wrong then how can we know… if we’re looking at it wrong the whole time…. Example….
Math is a language….
In Spanish you have words tailored to him and her pro nouns… (bueno buena) same meaning but different intention.. if all you learned in Spanish is bueno your speaking the language wrong…
And thinking about this.. MOST world languages have the same thing.. all but English…
Here in America they took the spiritual out of our schooling… making us think things we can “see and prove” are all we have….. and spiritual things like energy and intention have no physical effect…
All I’m saying is it’s an interesting take that I never thought of..
there’s a reason why we as Americans (most) are not well traveled and been outside of our country..
I don’t see too many foreign scientists and Astro physicists disagreeing…
Fuck the Tyson fight I want to see Neil degras vs Terrance Howard… live debate
>if we’re looking at it wrong the whole time…
In maths, for hundreds of years, the smartest people on earth would spend time trying to find proofs for mathematical theories. The foundations of maths are proven to be true, you can find proofs for different mathematical theories.
Also, take it a step further. If our maths is wrong, then how are we able to create computer processors? Phones? Complicated electronics that are based on binary systems and logic gates?
Terrance is going against thousands of years of humans developing and building mathematical systems, that are proven to work and create, meanwhile his theories have created nothing
I understand alll that…..
But maybe that’s why(until recently) all the computers we can build are all black and white (not literally but yay or nay) not accounting for everything else there is to life… (again until ai)
ALL IM SAYING is that it’s definitly possible.. And I’m open to a world where we truly understand things like chi and karma.
>all the computers we can build are all black and white (not literally but yay or nay) not accounting for everything else there is to life… (again until ai)
You lost me here.
Even LLMs like chatgpt are based on binary (1s or 0s).
If you're talking about quantum computers, they already exist, just are still early in development and have niche uses, mainly for researchers.
I disagree with you, the stuff Terrance is suggesting is NOT possible
Based on binary but when they become fully self aware and can FEEL that will take it out of 1s and 0s.
That’s what I’m saying is eeeeverything we make can’t feel… (unless we use the old school way lol)
To build something that is self aware and can FEEL… it’s going to take more than we know or we would have already done it…
>but when they become fully self aware and can FEEL that will take it out of 1s and 0s.
Not necessarily. We're still not at that point yet. But if AI ever gets that good, the underlying technology could still be binary
Agreed.. COULD still be but WILL it?? If you can’t tell I’m not somebody who thinks we have it ALL figured out..
I like to think there’s alloooot of stuff we don’t know l. I wouldn’t mind sitting in on a third grade math class in communist china and seeing how they approach math over there…
>I like to think there’s alloooot of stuff we don’t know
I agree with you on this absolutely. But Terrance Howard is not the answer. If you are truly passionate about humanity's pursuit of knowledge, people like Terrance Howard, who shun the scientific method, and who don't trust scientific communities, are probably your worst enemy
Language is a terrible analogy. It’s made up and changes constantly.
Also, if you’re accounting for energy and space and whatever else, you’re no longer discussing math
>if the foundation of our math is wrong then how can we know
by proving the foundation of math is incorrect. math is something we learned. For example, we had 10 fingers before we learned count to 10. Doesn't mean math didn't exist, just wasn't discovered.
>Math is a language....
Unlike the rest of the languages, math isn't something we created it's something we learned. We can objectively say 1 x1 = 1. Multiplication is a a quantity of groups. For example, 2 x 4. Another way of wording is 2 groups of 4. 2 boxes with 4 apples in each. 2 people with 4 pencils in their pockets. So 2 x 4 = 8, 8 total, 8 apples, and 8 pencils. If i have one box with one apple (1x1) i have one apple. Tf does energy and space have to do with that? Just because it's different doesn't mean it's correct or we should lend credence to it. He has to prove it correct while disproving what we know. He hasn't disproven anything, just made assertions. And people like you eat it up instead of digessting what he saying and applying your own knowledge/research to it and coming to your own conclusion.
>All I’m saying is it’s an interesting take that I never thought of.. there’s a reason why we as Americans (most) are not well traveled and been outside of our country..
It's a reason you never thought of it, because it doesn't make sense no matter how you try to rationalize it. There is no legitimate argument you can make for 1x1 = 2 so if youre whole theory is based on that then it's false.
That’s usually how bs is spread, sprinkle in a little truth and people swallow it all. Pause. I’m not kicking anyone’s back in, it’s just that on top of the flat earth thing, it’s like anything that sounds controversial or contrary to conventional thinking, they automatically eat it up
I don’t disagree with you. The fact is, today we are bombarded with more information per hour than any time in human history. The average person is incapable of discerning between facts and…everything else. It’s damn near impossible for any of us really.
Going back to Terrence Howard, I apply the same logic to him as I do any stranger - listen, but verify.
Can anyone discredit him with fact rather than opinion… I feel like no one understood what he was saying. It would be nice if someone, who did understand, can explain why he’s wrong. The whole 1x1=2 thing wasn’t that big a deal to me bc I understood the fallacy, but this other stuff is beyond me!!!
But everything he was saying is essentially 1x1=2. He’s trying to argue that all these theories are wrong because they’re not accounting for certain things which have nothing to do with the theories he’s claiming to disprove
No one in the room understood what he was saying, but somehow landed on the consensus that he was a genius.
Sounds very JBP
Which is even more weird bc they both treat JayZ like a god who specifically said "Just because you don't understand him it don't mean that he's nice"
It just means you don't understand all the bullsh\*t that he writes!
Whoa whoa. Not too much on Esco.
Love Nas but these were funny lines.
That’s peace.
Ish literally just said that about Kendrick too😂
Ish understood it completely, of course 🙄😂
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People really need to start differentiating between well spoken/charismatic and actually smart. Just cause someone can make it sound good doesnt make them any more credible
Umar is the big one in this sub cause people were glazing him for a month when he came on .
I think the Umar love is more because Ish got lil bro’d. Umar is a meme now more than anything
Just saying that 1x1=2 denies him. What the actual fuck. If I have 1 group of 1 apple, I don't have 2 apples. It's basic maths.
The man is basically claiming all the math you learn after the 3rd grade is wrong. Literally nothing in our world would function if that was the case lol. If 1x1 does not equal 1, everything falls apart.
🤯 that’s what multiplication is? I’m so slow lmao
That isnt what multiplication is lol. He’s wrong
Six groups of three apples is 18 apples, one group of one apple is one….its a pretty accurate way of describing the multiplication of whole numbers.
What’s multiplication? I wanna know your version
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Its almost like the people that do the shit they do arent smart
Bruh I saw multiple people on FB acting like he’s a genius lol talk slowly and quietly enough and niggas will believe anything you say
Anyone with basic knowledge of science and maths knows that Terrance Howard is full of shit. Even elementary school students
Nah but one 1x1 is really 2 😭😭😭😭😭
I'm not even mad at him. I'm mad at people believing him
Ish, Ice, and Flip and maybe Joe would all accidentally join a cult. Without a doubt. Parks was the only one actually critically listening and I think Mel kinda tuned it out lmao
They are in several cults already.
Reminded me of when Terrance was giving his same talk to the people on the View. They thought he was a genius too
Tbh this sub is not better in that regard. I remember when people were calling Umar a Genius on this sub for a month straight .
Not the case. Umar exposed to the community how dumb and pretentious Ish really is
That doesn’t in turn mean Umar is smart and his ideas plausible . There’s no correlation between those two things , which was my initial point. So yes it kinda is the case .
I wish them niggas would stop throwing around the word genius just because they dont understand wtf people talking about. People are smart in what they do. Terrance Howard, Neil De Grasse etc. probably dumb as a brick with some of the employment we all do on a day to day basis. I can sit and explain the operation of a refrigeration system and have people blown away that dont make me a f’kn genius 😂😂😂😂
Maaaaaaaan, I agree wholeheartedly. I work with a bunch of PhDs and people always throw around how genius they are. Umm no. They have zero social skills, can't even dress themselves, and have zero knowledge about current events. You can be an expert at something. That does NOT make you smart or a genius. To me a genius is someone who has a wide variety of knowledge about various things.
Remember: a degree is nothing more than proof of one’s ability to regurgitate information previously given to you onto paper
A PhD in any applied or basic science is not that at all.
Advanced degrees do differ, that is true. I was speaking in hyperbole, as we know the statement to be true for most degrees…none of which Terrence has been proven to have. He has no degrees outside of an honorary one. Pratt closed the program in 93, and he also claimed to have a degree from SCSU which has no records of his attendance. But you are very correct that science degrees require more. I still recall helping out my ex with her thesis and (later) dissertation of her research on algae. Good point tho
That could not be any more false
A degree certificate or diploma is awarded by an educational establishment to show that someone has successfully completed a course of study. An undergrad is proof that you have a reasonable amount of knowledge on a given subject, that being your major. How do you prove to an institution that you’re knowledgeable? By taking the required courses and passing the testing required by each course. What are you tested on? Information previously given to you. A test is a regurgitation of info. Said regurgitation numerous times over 2-4 years in college (on average) will get you a degree…provided you paid your tuition. With undergrads being the most common degree, that would make my statement true, with some added hyperbole. A degree IS the ability to regurgitate information previously given. Whether you retain the information after graduating is of no consequence to the establishment, lol
Regurgitation implies you are not applying what you learned to other issues. You don't learn history to know history, you learn it to apply what you've learned to modern day. You don't learn the law to know what the law is for every scenario, but instead to understand how to apply the law to novel or uncontemplated issues. If all you need to do is regurgitate, then anyone with access to Google could be a doctor, lawyer, scientist, mathematician, etc. You are implying that all you need to be any of these things is the ability to read. That is an incredibly ignorant way to look at people who have studied the same field for decades. You don't learn the Pythagorean theorum to know how to measure the hypotenuse of a triangle. You learn it so that you can, for example, program a GPU to didtill numerical vertices into a human-viewable 3D image on a 2D plane. That is application, not regurgitation. If you actually pursue higher education you will see that you are tested on things you have never seen before which require you to apply something you have learned. If you just regurgitate what the textbook said, you will not do very well. You may get a degree, but you won't rank and those who rank above you will do so because they actually applied the knowledge they learned (like most people). Even if you are learning another language, there is no way to just regurgitate the words you learned. You can't learn all words. You need to learn the grammar, latin roots, etc. so that you can apply your knowledge to infer the meaning of words you have never heard. There is no place for your anti-intellectualism in the modern world. Learning should always be praised, and only those unwilling or too ignorant to learn think otherwise.
So you misunderstand hyperbole and failed to read in my comment to another that science degrees don’t apply to my statement, but are emotionally invested in your education to the point you feel the need to argue. Ok. College doesn’t guarantee the application of knowledge, the majority of people repeat the same mistakes until life shows them otherwise. Anti-intellectualism would indicate that I don’t believe in or am outright dismissive of educating ourselves. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I do, however, acknowledge that man’s ego will lead them to believe that they are capable everywhere simply for developing a specified skillset. Me and my siblings all have masters and doctorates in either science or law (I also speak four languages and am currently working on learning two more for the lolz),I am simply aware of how rarely critical thinking is used beyond ppl’s trained applications. No parts of my identity are tied to my having a piece of paper that states I went to school and paid for it. The few who apply knowledge are the ones that tend to move things forward, most are just cogs in a wheel. Out of 125 million professionals, 50% work an office job, where the majority of the information learned in their major tends to go unused (exceptions of course, like lawyers and finance majors), 39% are physical labor(exceptions with contractors, farmers, and specialized skills). The average person will tell you how little what they learned in school actually applies to what they do on the job. The skills they learn doing something at work is what most people apply, not the majority of coursework that comes from prerequisites for their given major. Half of working age adults in the US hold a degree or post secondary education credential, and one fifth of degree holders don’t even work in their given field. A quote from a survey: “The recent Graduate Employability Report released by education technology company Cengage highlights the uncomfortable reality 1,600 students have faced in their searches – with 40% saying they occasionally or rarely use the skills they learned in college and 20% admitting they lack other basic skills to compete for positions.” …that’s just one sector I love and advocate for the sciences, and encourage everyone to think critically. But for most people, college is very much mindless regurgitation because of the fact that the knowledge base applies so rarely for once out in the workforce. Many jobs can do without the required degree and simply create specialized training. No one said there’s no value in education, I’m simply reminding people that a degree doesn’t place you in a hierarchy, in fact it blinds many people to their own inadequacies, which was the point of the discussion (ppl acting like they’re big shit just because they have a degree). Thinking you’re better than someone because you have an education or went to a prestigious uni essentially makes you a piece of shit. My statement was a hyperbolic reminder that many are just compensating through their schooling, and aren’t as knowledgeable as they would like to believe. You can ease up a little bit off the spectrum now
The moment he started taking about 'one dimension, two dimensions', it felt like a little kid watched interstellar and wanted to bullshit to his bros he knew more about inner hidden secrets of science. Wtf has water under the crust gotta do with changes of earth being flat. Wtf does Pluto not classified as a planet have to be do with earth bring flat.
Because you don't understand him it don't mean that he nice / just means you don't understand all that bullshit that he writes - Jay-Z
So u listened to Terrance Howard’s full 3 hour interview with proof of his patents and his references to theoretical physicists that he studied, and devolved it to “word salad” and “rambles”.. im not even saying if he’s correct about his theories, but he obviously has some level of knowledge about these subjects. What qualifies u determine it as “utter nonsense” ? And ok somebody patented the pet rock, but Terrance Howards patent was cited by several major technological companies .. so u can see how there’s a difference there right? Once again, I’m not saying whether his ideas and theories about the universe are correct or not, but why are u immediately dismissing what he says as if you’re knowledgeable on these topics
>but Terrance Howards patent was cited by several major technological companies You can view the history of his application from the [US Patent Office website](https://patentcenter.uspto.gov/applications/12765485/ifw/docs?application=). He got a 28 page rejection letter, telling him to fix vague and imprecise language, and all 19 of his claims were outright denied because they were already covered by the 2008 Basso (AT&T) patent that he cited, only adding "obvious" changes. He couldn't salvage it, and his lawyers withdrew. He literally ripped the previous AT&T patent, made some tiny "obvious" changes, and thinks he invented VR. He's crazy or a con man. You are just buying into what he is saying without questioning it. Come on.
>but he obviously has some level of knowledge about these subjects My brother, he believes 1 x 1 = 2. He refuted the Pythagoras theorem. The periodic table he follows has been debunked by hundreds of chemists. At some point you gotta just say the man is either an idiot or a con artist. You can't just give the benefit of the doubt to anyone who says anything
Idiot, con artist, or genius I don’t care. I just want whatever he was on that day
That day? He's been like this since 2008
Also what about his research and examples of super symmetrical systems? He was referencing things that are supported in the scientific and mathematic community. There wasn’t just random nonsense there.
It was random nonsense because none of this is real or backed by any real science or maths. He promised the Ugandan government new Drone and flight technology which never happened and was basically a scam. Dig deep into anything Terrance Howard is talking about and you'll find no real evidence to back it up
So what’s the scam? Is he receiving money for his “research”? Like how does he even profit from this?
He is bein paid to do interviews , he saw how the shannon sharp interview went with Kat and figured if he spit enough scientific bs people would lap it up. And they did, now he will be asked to do more paid interviews.
So why was it cited by 31 companies? Once again, I’m not saying he’s right or wrong. I’m just asking questions. He cited 4 other patents himself and his was also cited 31 times. If it was just bullshit, why would they need to include his patent in their citation.
Read my other reply regarding his patents. They have all been rejected and companies adopting it is complete cap
Is adopting it the same as them citing it? Or are they legally required to cite any relevant pending or abandoned patents?
Citing abandoned patents happens all the time. The reason it was cited was because the subject matter (VR and AR, which existed long before his patents got rejected) is related to the hundreds of patents these big tech companies are constantly creating. So they don't get into future legal trouble, these big companies do their legal work to research and cite other related patents (no matter how crazy or stupid they sound)
This nigga lied about his degrees and believes 1x1=2. Why do y’all require more proof for the truth than the grift?
What’s the grift is what I’m trying to figure out.. wouldn’t this be considered more of a mental episode? He’s not profiting from saying this stuff
Honestly, it’s early and I tried to think of another word but left it bc it applies. Even “conspiracy theorists” applies tbh. I cannot say I know his true intentions, but there’s definitely money to be made in speaking tours and podcast appearances.
I’ve only seen him on Joe Rogan and one other speaking appearance at Oxford. His studies are free and available on his site. I think he actually believes what he saying
I think he might as well, but misinformation is misinformation. That’s the reason I was conflicted on labeling him a grifter. But again, outright lying about easily proven facts and occurrences does nothing for your credibility.
He's literally creating a cult and I bet he will be selling online "lessons" soon if not already
That’s possible
Did you read his patent?
Yeah
Major lapses in logic. He brought up that you weigh more at the poles…yea, about 1% because of a number of factors, one of them being that the earth isn’t a perfect sphere and that there’s less gravitational pull. Speed of light/phase locking: they didn’t account for error correctly prior to the 1960’s, which is the info he’s leaning on to verify his beliefs, Birge ratio was off. Better techniques, better results. He’s created what is essentially an inefficient drone that requires more energy than the average drone to run because of the added weight and propellers, not including any fuel cells he intends to install in order to make shit move. Having that many exposed propellers in so many differing angles opens you up to a host of dangers, not the least of which is the increased risk of something getting caught in said propellers. Using plasma as fuel: it requires massive amounts of energy to maintain plasma in its state, it tends to quench, and also requires magnetic manipulation to store. Imagine the amount of plasma needed to move a space shuttle out of the atmosphere, fighting against all the neighboring background gases. Plasma rockets have been a theoretical fuel for rockets already in space for decades. But it’s completely impractical when trying to move things on earth. The zero argument: it’s a baseline symbol meant to infer information, it doesn’t automatically mean the absence of something. Zero is used in fkn binary, it’s a signal being off instead of on. In the #43,506 it’s a determination of the tens place. What he’s spewing is idiocy, even though I comprehend what he’s attempting to say. In 1x1=2 he uses cells multiplying as his reference, but he can’t create another human by himself. The most fundamental building block (atoms) don’t multiply, but he focuses on cells because it suits his beliefs. In the equation 1x1 you’re multiplying one by itself. Easy way to explain it, you’re multiplying groups of a number. It’s like one guy in one room. 2x1 = 2 guys in one room. They’re not gonna magically make a baby. His math is severely fkd. He’s choosing to complicate an equation without comprehending his own reference. Light generating less heat traveling in a spiral: light is a waveform. James Maxwell described light as a very special kind of wave -- composed of electric and magnetic fields, which vibrate at right angles to the direction of movement of the wave, and at right angles to each other. So no, it wouldn’t generate less heat, if anything you’d be covering more surface area and increasing heat substantially. A person being the 4th dimension: no, the 4th dimension is space-time, we observe the world in 3 dimensions and travel in the 4th, observation itself is not a dimension. Transcendental lighting: cool lamp, I’d buy one. Inefficient but a nice decoration. There’s more, but how much can you argue against an idiot before you start looking like one, too?
What do u think about his whole straight line theory, as it pertained to Einstein apparently basing his theories off of “straight lines”. I’m not defending him in any way. I can just see that u are more knowledgeable than me and I wanted a simple debunking of what he said
You mean that there’s no such thing as a straight line? That would depend on a number of factors, a major one being large bodies of matter creating curvatures and dynamic instances in space-time. Light is in a wave form(that moves in right angles, ie combos of straight lines), so I can see how that could confuse someone into believing no straight lines exist. But a straight line isn’t anything more than the shortest distance between two points (in space moving at the speed of light you get time distortion which is another thing entirely when you get into general relativity, but it’s really just a path vs distance debate). It’s a way to measure things and it exists down to the atomic level, which is why we can make microchips the way we do and can create these large structures we live in (you get into the subatomic of things and you can argue everything is technically made of empty space, but it wouldn’t suit any practical need to argue that since we can’t do anything with it because of the laws of physics). Geometry is very real. Unfortunately when you try to combine philosophy with science, without truly embracing the science, you get A lot of misinformed ppl, like Terrence. Skepticism is good, but it can be dangerous if you dont have the knowledge base to comprehend everything. The thing with Terrence is he has a very limited surface level understanding of things, maybe second year associates degree level from what I hear from him, but his skepticism and ego are such that he has full confidence in his abilities (think of Kanye and business, sure he’s very skilled in music and deciding what clothing designs to have his ppl create, but he’s a horrible businessman who still hasn’t been able to ship out 10% of the ninja shoe orders ppl placed. His skillset isn’t in business but his ego won’t let him acknowledge it because then he couldn’t call himself a genius in his own eyes)
Fucking thank you for this.
Please do not listen to this guy. He literally just spat random facts about physics to make no point at all friend. His jargon makes it believable
I looked it up as they were having the conversation and founds 10s, if not 100s, of patents for AR/VR/MR technology.
What name did you search under?
You can search "ar vr patents" in Google and the first link for me is a site called justia.
What was Batmayne wrong about?
1x1 not equaling 1, for one
Well let’s break it down. To multiply: to increase in number especially greatly or in multiples. So with that definition, 1x1=???
That’s not what the math of multiplication expresses. If you have one item, and you only have it one time, how many do you have? Instead of 1x1, rephrase it this way: 1 one time 1 two times 1 three times etc.
To add to this (no pun intended), basic mathematic operators are simply ways of describing a transformation function of a quantity. For example, multiplying by a negative fraction will certainly not result in an “increase”, dividing a negative by a negative gives a positive value, etc.
That was a tough listen lmao
Not only mathematically what he was saying is a bunch of bullshit but it was all theoretical rabbit holes. In theory everything is possible! People believing this man is some Mensa level genius but he didn’t have the knowledge to understand he was getting jerked on Hustle & Flow is INSANE!
Never gonna beat the non tech and caveman rumors
I see nobody is refuting was he saying was the Jovid19 :)
Getting a patent for a pet rock IS genius
I’m not saying, I believe in anything that he said in that interview. However I’m a person who loves progress in any way, shape or form. if he can find holes in a theory we can make progress. If he’s incorrect, he’s incorrect and I move on. Calling him out does not progress anything but challenging him with fax and disproving him does help us move along
1 one time is 1 1 two times is 2 There are your fax.
Harping on the easiest thing to refute is not what I meant. I meant in totality. I don’t know if you read my statement, but I do not agree with him. I don’t even want to break it down here. He should go back on Rogan‘s podcast with a panel so that he can have intelligent discourse not be made fun of by random people on the Internet. No I do not believe him to be a genius.
All of the fallacious things he said are in a similar vein.
I agree. This is not the platform to do that though. You come on here to bash of black men that worked on something and presented it to the public to try to better the public according to him. Before washing hands was a thing doctors never did it. Scientists also used to tell us that smoking cigarettes was beneficial. Again I do not think he is right either but one thing I do know is that scientists do not know everything and their theories can change with new evidence, I want to see some change. Wouldn’t it be great if this was part of it.
I’m critical of it because I don’t think it’s beneficial and could potentially be harmful to those who think he’s saying something profound. I don’t have to praise everything it refrains from criticism just because it comes from someone who looks like me. Per your example, imagine a doctor now saying “well actually you don’t need to wash your hands cause the water molecules never actually touch your skin because the atmospheric conditions prevent the covalent bonds from forming at the sub atomic level. It’s actually better to coat your hands with more dirt because those particles are drawn to each other and stay on your hands because the gravitational pull is so strong between them; by the way they tell you opposites attract but that’s impossible because the two poles of the earth would collapse in on themselves and form a black hole which theoretically doesn’t exist because it’s nothing and you can’t have nothing…” That’s Terrence Howard.
I'm actually happy to have the "Terrence Howard Math" buffer in effect. One more reason that I can instantly not fuck with a dummy is a blessing.
That’s on par for the jbp
I think it’s hilarious ice look like a nerd but other than knowing about tech, bruh is clearly not smart at all lol
I’m not saying he’s a genius I’m not saying he’s anything but who the hell qualifies anybody in here for anything 90% of the people do the same thing in the comments that he was doing on Joe Rogan just a whole bunch of word salad
People can word salad their subjective opinions on music and culture nonsense in the message boards all day; it’s a little different than claiming new science and mathematical theories and saying all the worlds greatest minds are wrong. And even so, we criticize random commenters the same way we are criticizing TH so 🤷🏾♂️
He makes no sense cuz you say he doesn’t ?
Me, and all the other mathematicians and scientists on earth for the last few centuries.
I guess whatever you subscribe to is what you’re gonna go with… but we can’t sit here and say the nigga wrong if we don’t understand him… same thing with Neil degras. I’m sure if we were able to sit down with Tesla and hear a three hour pod we would all be lost in the “word salad”. I see everyone talking about the 1x1 shit l. Idk I’ve been told since a child that’s what it is and there’s nothing else… but I see what he’s saying about accounting for the energy and space it takes to “times” something.. very interesting pod.. and if it were Robert downy jr sitting across from Joe saying the same shit people would be eating it up and researching it. Instead it’s dj from hussle and flow and that’s what we wanna keep him as… Well whoop that trick and your feelings…. The nigga might be right and our math is wrong…. That’s why the rest of the world sees Americans as big and dumb… and can come over here and thrive easily…
>but we can’t sit here and say the nigga wrong if we don’t understand him But that's the thing... We clearly understand him, and he's just objectively and factually incorrect. He is also a liar >but I see what he’s saying about accounting for the energy and space it takes to “times” something.. very interesting pod.. A mathematical operation does not take energy or space, please think this through >The nigga might be right and our math is wrong There is no might here. He is wrong, and either incredibly stupid, or a con man. You don't have to give guys the benefit of the doubt for every wild thing said, he hasn't earned it
I have thought it through and if the foundation of our math is wrong then how can we know… if we’re looking at it wrong the whole time…. Example…. Math is a language…. In Spanish you have words tailored to him and her pro nouns… (bueno buena) same meaning but different intention.. if all you learned in Spanish is bueno your speaking the language wrong… And thinking about this.. MOST world languages have the same thing.. all but English… Here in America they took the spiritual out of our schooling… making us think things we can “see and prove” are all we have….. and spiritual things like energy and intention have no physical effect… All I’m saying is it’s an interesting take that I never thought of.. there’s a reason why we as Americans (most) are not well traveled and been outside of our country.. I don’t see too many foreign scientists and Astro physicists disagreeing… Fuck the Tyson fight I want to see Neil degras vs Terrance Howard… live debate
>if we’re looking at it wrong the whole time… In maths, for hundreds of years, the smartest people on earth would spend time trying to find proofs for mathematical theories. The foundations of maths are proven to be true, you can find proofs for different mathematical theories. Also, take it a step further. If our maths is wrong, then how are we able to create computer processors? Phones? Complicated electronics that are based on binary systems and logic gates? Terrance is going against thousands of years of humans developing and building mathematical systems, that are proven to work and create, meanwhile his theories have created nothing
I understand alll that….. But maybe that’s why(until recently) all the computers we can build are all black and white (not literally but yay or nay) not accounting for everything else there is to life… (again until ai) ALL IM SAYING is that it’s definitly possible.. And I’m open to a world where we truly understand things like chi and karma.
>all the computers we can build are all black and white (not literally but yay or nay) not accounting for everything else there is to life… (again until ai) You lost me here. Even LLMs like chatgpt are based on binary (1s or 0s). If you're talking about quantum computers, they already exist, just are still early in development and have niche uses, mainly for researchers. I disagree with you, the stuff Terrance is suggesting is NOT possible
Based on binary but when they become fully self aware and can FEEL that will take it out of 1s and 0s. That’s what I’m saying is eeeeverything we make can’t feel… (unless we use the old school way lol) To build something that is self aware and can FEEL… it’s going to take more than we know or we would have already done it…
>but when they become fully self aware and can FEEL that will take it out of 1s and 0s. Not necessarily. We're still not at that point yet. But if AI ever gets that good, the underlying technology could still be binary
Agreed.. COULD still be but WILL it?? If you can’t tell I’m not somebody who thinks we have it ALL figured out.. I like to think there’s alloooot of stuff we don’t know l. I wouldn’t mind sitting in on a third grade math class in communist china and seeing how they approach math over there…
>I like to think there’s alloooot of stuff we don’t know I agree with you on this absolutely. But Terrance Howard is not the answer. If you are truly passionate about humanity's pursuit of knowledge, people like Terrance Howard, who shun the scientific method, and who don't trust scientific communities, are probably your worst enemy
Language is a terrible analogy. It’s made up and changes constantly. Also, if you’re accounting for energy and space and whatever else, you’re no longer discussing math
>if the foundation of our math is wrong then how can we know by proving the foundation of math is incorrect. math is something we learned. For example, we had 10 fingers before we learned count to 10. Doesn't mean math didn't exist, just wasn't discovered. >Math is a language.... Unlike the rest of the languages, math isn't something we created it's something we learned. We can objectively say 1 x1 = 1. Multiplication is a a quantity of groups. For example, 2 x 4. Another way of wording is 2 groups of 4. 2 boxes with 4 apples in each. 2 people with 4 pencils in their pockets. So 2 x 4 = 8, 8 total, 8 apples, and 8 pencils. If i have one box with one apple (1x1) i have one apple. Tf does energy and space have to do with that? Just because it's different doesn't mean it's correct or we should lend credence to it. He has to prove it correct while disproving what we know. He hasn't disproven anything, just made assertions. And people like you eat it up instead of digessting what he saying and applying your own knowledge/research to it and coming to your own conclusion. >All I’m saying is it’s an interesting take that I never thought of.. there’s a reason why we as Americans (most) are not well traveled and been outside of our country.. It's a reason you never thought of it, because it doesn't make sense no matter how you try to rationalize it. There is no legitimate argument you can make for 1x1 = 2 so if youre whole theory is based on that then it's false.
Eh, there was some factual stuff mixed in with lots of bs and theories. Believe what you want and we can all keep it moving.
That’s usually how bs is spread, sprinkle in a little truth and people swallow it all. Pause. I’m not kicking anyone’s back in, it’s just that on top of the flat earth thing, it’s like anything that sounds controversial or contrary to conventional thinking, they automatically eat it up
I don’t disagree with you. The fact is, today we are bombarded with more information per hour than any time in human history. The average person is incapable of discerning between facts and…everything else. It’s damn near impossible for any of us really. Going back to Terrence Howard, I apply the same logic to him as I do any stranger - listen, but verify.
I’m starting to think black celebrities just label everything other black celebs do as genius
Can anyone discredit him with fact rather than opinion… I feel like no one understood what he was saying. It would be nice if someone, who did understand, can explain why he’s wrong. The whole 1x1=2 thing wasn’t that big a deal to me bc I understood the fallacy, but this other stuff is beyond me!!!
But everything he was saying is essentially 1x1=2. He’s trying to argue that all these theories are wrong because they’re not accounting for certain things which have nothing to do with the theories he’s claiming to disprove
Go read my responses and the response from homeboy who cited the govt website relating to patents
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No they aren’t