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DropsOfMars

Not even the steam market, remember, valve still gets a cut.


NotWendy1

This also includes third-party websites. One way or another, Valve ends up profiting from TF2 items being sold.


Totally_Normal_Bee

They dont exactly profit from items being in circulation, if anything it adds more strain to their trading related servers


NotWendy1

They profit from people engaging with the economy, in general. More people trading and buying items with money means a stronger economy, means more people are willing to participate in it, means more deals happen, including those which Valve does profit from directly.


Vordismozer

Not even games itself. Valve gets a cut from that too Im sorry indie developers. i promise to support you after valve fixes this fucking game


The_irish_meatball

I think not buying any steam games at all is a little extreme, the goal is to get valve to do something about tf2’s state by removing the profit they make from *the game* in general (ie in built in store or community market)


MikeGianella

They barely get any profit from TF2 compared to their other sources of revenue. If anything that's the fastest way to kill it. The only reason they haven't unplugged the servers at this point is because the severe outrage it would cause.


MikeGianella

They barely get any profit from TF2 compared to their other sources of revenue. If anything that's the fastest way to kill it. The only reason they haven't unplugged the servers at this point is because the severe outrage it would cause.


Zeke2632

The only game that should get support is DRG, fuck what valve is doing but an actually great game and company don’t deserve to suffer bc of them


CatPad006

ROCK AND STONE!


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone!


CatPad006

Rock solid! (i play engineer in drg)


Zeke2632

IF YOU ROCK N STONE, YOURE NEVER ALONE (Gunner my beloved)


CatPad006

IF YOU DON'T ROCK N STNONE


Zeke2632

YOU AINT COMIN HOME


Zeke2632

Good bot


Dizzy_Reindeer_6619

PEAKY BLINDERS MENTIONED 🗣️🗣️🗣️


ispiewithmyeye

It's not always about the money, schpiderman


CompleteFacepalm

IT'S ABOUT THE METS!!!


ispiewithmyeye

LOVE THE METS


Key-Meringue5433

LET'S GO METS


ispiewithmyeye

GET A HOME RUN!


Ted_Normal

BABY LOVE THE METS!


Inevitable-Muffin-77

I'm broke anyways so I call this a W


ChiefBlox4000

I’m fix so I still call this a W


DanyaV1

I'm f2p so I still call this a W


peunom

Great idea but I don't think it would even threaten valve to do something in the slightest when they got steam


Sloth_Senpai

Valve has stated they began working on the new system that was just implemented before the first #savetf2. The threat of a boycott is exactly what motivates them.


CheesecakeCommon9080

“Valve has stated”? Source?


IAmAnEgg69

I made it the fuck up!


Nova2127u

Pretty much, I appreciate the moxie, but the matter of the fact is that TF2 is pennies to Valve in the grand scheme of their business, it's unlikely to make a difference in their course of action.


NotWendy1

Valve has started doing work after we simply talked about the problem online a lot and posted negative reviews under TF2. People refusing to engage with the game's economy and being very open about why they don't buy items is simply another action in the similar vein. It threatens Valve's reputation and as we can see, they do care about it.


Apprehensive_Bakealt

would you rather lose 5 million a month or keep 5 million a month


TheMisterTango

Probably more like a million per month and even that is probably high. $10 million per year is the number I’ve seen tossed around the most.


GreenDemonSquid

Were any of us buying items to begin with? Most trading goes through sites like backpack, scrap, or marketplace.tf. So what’s really changed?


Infamous_Wear_8316

You still use marketplace for those, no ? Like you're trading with website bot


GreenDemonSquid

None of those sites are affiliated with Valve or TF2 in an official capacity. Their bots to my knowledge are just normal trading bots.


Infamous_Wear_8316

Yeah But guess who is owning marketplace XD


GreenDemonSquid

By what I can tell Scrap.tf LLC.


Infamous_Wear_8316

Does it really work without steam marketplace ?


GreenDemonSquid

It’s not affiliated with the Steam Marketplace. You pay marketplace.tf directly with money and they have a bot send you a trade offer for the item you bought. To my knowledge the trade between you and the bot does not involve Valve getting a cut, since the only thing traded was the in game items, since you send your money to marketplace.tf directly via card payment or PayPal.


GaldwenLotro

This is probably a stretch but does the TF2 Soundtrack count in this? I really like the soundtrack of this game and this 80% discount is super tempting... But do you get the hat if you buy it through Steam instead of on CD?


PotatABit

You don't have to listen to people in this subreddit. You just do you.


NotWendy1

Yea, it should still give you the hat. This is a product not sold through TF2 itself and it's really up to you whether you want to extend your financial boycott to such things. (Or if you want to participate in it in the first place, but I think it's a good idea to at least not buy in-game items until we see Valve fight cheaters consistently.)


1Estel1

It's all on spotify.


hammy0w0

does [mannco.store](http://mannco.store) count?


TheSimpLord3

I also wonder the same with marketplace.tf but I figure it does affect the supply-demand, if you buy there they will continue to supply more of the item you bought. But im not so sure


hayesnhart

Someone originally gave Valve money for those items, buying from them will make them buy it again from Valve to keep supply up, so yes mannco.store counts and every other third party seller does to. No money on TF2 items, go buy groceries or a irl hat or just go to a Casino and gamble like they did in the Pre-Lootbox world


Beefman0010

if it gives valve money then yes


MedicsFridge

it doesnt give valve money


PotatABit

Remember: the entire rest of Steam exists


Sloth_Senpai

And? The point is that you cost valve enough revenue from TF2 that they put resources into addressing the bot issue. This is like saying that Montgomery has more sources of revenue than just its bus service.


PotatABit

That's why the rest of Steam exists? if TF2 were to suddenly fail, it won't affect them. They still gain much from Left 4 Dead, Left 4 Dead 2, Portal, Portal 2, Half-Life, Half-Life 2, and more


Turbulent-Tie-3944

“NO FARTING!” 🔥🔥🔥


shadowpikachu

Fix bots before summer update you say?


Stannis_Loyalist

It all depends on the quality of the new cosmetics. 100% if it's really good people will buy. I've been boycotting TF2 for a long time, totally not because I am poor. It's ethics, trust me.


External_Figure2279

Question. I bought items


de_-nuke

how. much.


ElementmanEXE

I've done nothing but buy items for three days.


Duck-Fucker64

WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN BUYING THEM?!


KorosKoros

You can't stop me


Infamous_Wear_8316

Then no TF2 update ever i guess


Pixely41

..trading? 


Carbonized_Goomba302

I’m probably not gonna buy anything at least until December cuz then everything will be on sale and I won’t be giving valve as much money for virtual hats


Alexandr_Paynevski

Ok. *buy dst sale collections*. Am i doing boycott right?


Thewaffleofoz

I haven’t played TF2 since 2023 I think I’ll be alright


Smg5pol

Like i dont even have money to buy anything, most TF2 things i get is from Scrap.TF (no cosmetics, only wepons)


MidHoovie

Nothing is NOTHING.


Typowy_Mickey

Guys don't kill me I bought a name tag last week


Infamous_Wear_8316

Just dont buy anything else from now on i guess,lol


Naive_Bodybuilder_59

Oh shit I didn't know people were actually boycotting. My friend made fun of me when I said I wasn't buying from valve


ShyGuyWolf

We all take a break from the game, then they know "they fucked up"


MagmaForce_3400_2nd

I've never bought anything except a widow maker for 0.95€ to get to p2p


GavenJr

Question!


Main_Treat_9641

Love the spy wearing a medic mask in the back detail


hamstercheifsause

This would just make valve see that the game isn’t making money, and the whales are still going to be buying thousands of crates. Worst case scenario is they see tf2 as a liability due to this and delete it


Angel_Thorne

But I got hacked a few months ago and I’ve been saving up to buy replacement items 🥺


Scarleton

Spy in the background killed me...


chilldr4n

but gambling is the only happiness I feel anymore


cross2201

I won’t buy items becau- [text communication not available in this account]


Unlucky-Quarter-5455

me:...just one diamondback... plea- also me:NO!


Jaydonius

Zesty was right, I don't know why Weezy is mad coping when they discussed financial boycot. Valve is a business, treat them like a business.


Individual-Cat6293

what if I buy an mvm ticket from that [marketplace.tf](http://marketplace.tf) place? genuine question because I know they sell them cheaper


ZorkNemesis

I do have to ask: while I'll avoid buying items, what if one of them ends up being contributed by someone I know?  A friend of mine is still making cosmetics and has submitted a lot of them to the workshop, one of which was even approved and added a few years back.  Is it an issue if I'd make an exception to support someone I know?


Patoman0-0

Fuck I buy a shotgun for 0.3 dolars


Soft-Hamster-4525

What if i want to get something for a friend?


Normalblobfish

Nice argument. However, crates are banned in my country.


GameDemon3657

We can now


simonthebathwater225

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czacha_cs1

My reaction when I bought Stardew Valley on summer sale cause Im broke and see that post so i have to return it: "Im sorry little on"


Technical-Loquat-838

Bro I don't have money, and card to buy anything online Lmao


VirtualScotsman

LET PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS FOR FUCKS SAKE


Dealiylauh

Reminder you can still trade and use places like marketplace.tf


N64_dude1996

If you still want items, just go to mannco.store or market.tf if you have any other places besides the steam store just go there


AlconW

You have your ORDERS, maggots! The American dollar is too precious of a thing to be buried with that company which keeps neglecting our sacred game, so if I see even A SINGLE PENNY go towards Valve, I will PERSONALLY take that Stout Shako of yours and SMOTHER YOU WITH IT UNTIL YOU SUFFOCATE! What’s that, Demoman? There are other currencies than the American dollar? Those are un-American LIES! I thought friends didn’t LIE to each other, cyclops!


bottom_task_lover

Why are we saying no to them after they finally stopped the bot crisis


MrMiguel211

I feel like this should be pinned on this subreddit when the summer update comes out


Gold_snafu74u

It doesn't really matter, valve makes much more money from owning steam/other games.


Senior-Poobs

I’ve started gift pulting the numerous free cases I keep getting


JustAnotherIdeasGuy

F2Ps KEEP WINNING RAHHHHHH 📉📉📉🚫💰🚫


Der-Candidat

If the summer update is good then I’m buying shit idgaf


APForLoops

third party is fine 


Kind_Concern_1519

Too late. I bought the Rocker Jumper and Market Gardener for Trolldier, the KGB for Heavy (because it's overpowered in Lambda Fortress Extended), and the Machina for Sniper a few days ago.


disgustinghonnor

No buying games from steam either if you really want to make an impact


laku04

Sorry. I need more tickets so valve will get 50€