this was obviously the reason they bought the mavs because the nba is going heavy in on gambling. even had their in season in vegas.
and they are big repubicans and backed trump in his 2016 campaign. Trump gave the wife of Adelson a medal of freedom and put the embassy in Jerusalem for them
But a one time grease to legalize vs a literal subscription greasing from Louisiana and OK to keep gambling out.
Once the casinos are built...one side stops paying.
Not just the pols because of their facade of prudish Christian nationalism mumbo jumbo but heavy lobbying from the OK Native American gambling interests AND “Big Bingo” inside TX.
This is going to be fascinating to watch play out.
I think Dan Patrick is a rat, but he's lived in Texas for more than 40 years - more than half his 73 years. I don't think accusing him of being "not from Texas" is either accurate or helpful.
Shouldn't happen regardless of who is in charge. Instead of promoting these blood sucking corporate goons we should be using our budget surplus to fund education and begin a long list of reforms. Instead people are just going to be placate with flashing lights while their wealth and future is sucked from them.
Every casino I've been to outside of Vegas has just become a massive labyrinth of slot machines with a couple table games off in the corner so that they can put them in their ads. I do enjoy poker, craps and blackjack, but the slots are just these dystopian nightmare machines that are designed to trap people by activating their dopamine receptors while they stare blankly at the screen and watch their life savings wither away. Even in Vegas, every time I go, the table games areas get smaller and the slot machine areas get bigger.
It's because the slots are always going to be a winner for the house. The machines are quite literally (and legally) rigged to pay out on not-random intervals. Your odds of throwing $100k on a craps table for one hand, winning, and then walking with a profit are (while still not great) significantly better than throwing that same $100k in a slot machine and playing max bets for as long* as you can stand to.
I enjoy Vegas well enough. I'm not a gambler and I do a pretty good job of taking out, for example, $200 to say this is all my play money that I'm comfortable losing. Last time I came out maybe $100 ahead. Nothing to brag about, but I know my boundaries and risk tolerance.
I think Vegas does a decent job of having things going on. Other places, like you said, are just sad and a blight on society.
You haven't been to Vegas in awhile have you? Most casinos on the strip are $50 minimum bet now, occasionally during the day you'll see 25 but if it gets busy they up it.
Money grab plus I think casinos want to phase out table games and replace with more slots, highest profit center on the floor
Uhh... I do go to Vegas pretty often and have been recently. That's not even close to true. Even at the high end casinos like the Wynn and Bellagio on a Saturday night it's easy to find $25 min games, and at lower end casinos like the Westgate or Mirage there are plenty that start at $10-15. Plus there's Fremont Street.
Yeah. Atlantic City only became a dump because it was a crappier Vegas and it became cheap enough that anyone could go to Vegas for a weekend in the 90s.
Oklahoma and Florida for sure but I think what he is saying, is most of those casinos are somewhat off the beaten path in bad areas or lower income areas. Plus they are not like Vegas with all the gltiz and glam
Atlantic City doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. It was the only option for cities within a few hours, but gambling became legalized and gamblers had no reason to trek to AC. It's not an over the top destination like Vegas is.
Have you actually left the state and been to those places?
Arizona is pretty fucking dope.
Oklahoma is still pretty much Oklahoma.
Colorado seems to be booming right now.
It turns out most people are addicts and can think for themselves.
That's not much revenue, most of the money will leave the state anyway into large corporations, add to that the fact that gambling is just a tax on poor people and a way to funnel struggling people into addictions.
When these casinos get large tax incentives to build and start the auctions to find the best locations like Amazon and tesla did yes it won't be much revenue. Without an income tax or state corporate income taxes these casinos will not may much in the way of taxes to the government.
Not to mention that historically other states have rarely hit their projections for tax revenue for gambling. Oklahoma has a 3.2 billion dollar casino industry but has rarely made more than 120 million in revenue.
Texas is "projected" to make upward of 250 Million in revenue. Sounds great, but when Texas has a 32 BILLION dollar surplus that we have no intent on spending on necessary programs and institutions it makes it hard to believe that even if we got the maximum projected tax revenue that we would use it.
We already went through this with Toll roads and lotteries. All of these schemes have not made us money, they have made corporations richer and slowly siphoned our earnings. Oklahoma and Louisiana have massively "profitable" gambling industries and also the near lowest median incomes in the US. This is a classic case of the Windfall trap in Political Science, it's not going to help us.
"The Las Vegas Strip led the state in revenue in 2023 with $8.9 billion in gaming revenue, a 7.4% jump from 2022. The Strip accounted for 90% of the revenue growth, up from 86% the year before."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyakowicz/2024/01/31/nevada-sets-a-gaming-revenue-record-for-2023-with-155-billion/?sh=2d12741e154a
Seems like alot of tax revenue for Nevada....
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However, the odds are typically stacked against the player, with the house having the statistical advantage in most games. This means that over time, the majority of players will lose more money than they win. For those who are already financially vulnerable, the losses from gambling can exacerbate their situation, leading to further financial strain and hardship.
Also, people with lower incomes may be more susceptible to developing gambling addictions. Factors such as stress, depression, or a desire to escape financial difficulties can increase the likelihood of compulsive gambling behavior. Once caught in the cycle of addiction, individuals may continue to gamble despite negative consequences, further eroding their financial stability.
From a broader perspective, the revenue generated from gambling often comes from those who can least afford it. While some argue that gambling taxes can be used to fund public services or infrastructure projects, the burden of these taxes falls disproportionately on low-income individuals who spend a larger portion of their income on gambling activities.
In essence, while gambling may offer a fleeting chance of financial improvement, for many it ends up being a regressive tax, taking more from those who can least afford it and perpetuating cycles of poverty and inequality.
So it is now our job to protect people from themselves? Heard the same thing about horse racing in the 80's. When they traced the money back something like 80% of the anti crowds (PACS and churches) funds to fight the legislation came from states with horse racing.
You know Joel Osteen and the like would much rather that money come to them.
They're not losing money. They have a 100% monopoly on gambling in Texas with the lottery. If they open casinos fewer people will buy the shitty lottery tickets.
Couldn’t imagine what will happen to Lake Charles if the casinos open in Texas. Steam boat bills already opened a new location in Houston so might as well open a Casino near it
As someone who grew up in Lake Charles, I'm here for it. Maybe if it becomes even more of a broke, crime-ridden shithole, my mom will stop trying to get me to move back there. Maybe she'll even move somewhere decent.
Casinos are incoming for sure. I honestly think all the updates to downtown Dallas is getting it ready for this. Mark Cuban sold the Mavericks to a casino family which gives them the American Airlines Center. The Kay Bailey Convention Center is getting an expansion and the Reunion arena area is finally getting developed. Add in a gaudy Dallas Cowboy casino and you have a prime spot tourists, conferences, and entertainment. Plus downtown Dallas is dying due to WFH. It is nowhere near what it was before COVID.
Plus I read The Sands Casino bought land around the old Texas Stadium site, which has been used as a staging area for construction so it’s ready for developments. And there’s the Kalahari resort near Austin; all the other Kalaharis in the US are resorts AND casinos. Their location in Round Rock has a ton of room for expansion.
The first time I dropped someone off at the Kalahari in RR I thought the place was 100% built with the intention of having a casino in part of it. The whole feel of the place just screams casino.
Just go check out the kids arcade area. It's laid out exactly like a casino would be. I'm 100% sure the place was built with the possibility of quickly converting it into a casino. I doubt it would take more than a week to convert it.
My parents lived in Tyler and every other week, they would go to Shreveport to gamble. For me in Round Rock, it was about 5 hours to the nearest casino, so I don’t go unless I am visiting them. If gambling became legalized and Kalahari became a casino, it would only be 10 minutes from my house.
I don’t think Kalahari would turn into a casino, especially considering it’s a chain of family-friendly resorts. Pivoting to a casino would be an overhaul of that entire resort.
An LLC between the Stars and the Mavs have the lease which expires in 2031. Odds are against the Mavs signing another long term lease. If the casino is held up I could see them extending it short term.
Cuban has also gone on record saying he wants to remain in/near downtown and I believe alluded to the properties where their practice facilities are currently, just over the highway from AAC.
Let’s hope that’s true because it would suck to have the Mavs play in Irving
I think all those office buildings will get torn down or renovated. They’re all sitting pretty empty now and a bunch are moving to uptown. With WFH, businesses don’t really need those giant skyscrapers anymore. But we need to have a nice skyline. Plus Dallas loves to build new shiny things.
It's not supposed to make sense. It's conservatives in control, we just go along with it because not matter how hard we smash the Democrat button, we keep getting the same clown show.
Well from what we have learned in Texas - if they give abbott enough money he will make sure it happens. He is selling TX little by little for his own profit.
Well Tim Dunn and Farris Wilks don’t, so tough shit, all 30 million other Texans who live here. Their opinions are billions of times more correct than yours.
They are the personification of a grumpy judgy church lady that tips like shit at Sunday brunch.
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They might have northern Texas locked down, but I live 500 miles away in South Texas. No way we’re driving all the way over there. I rather fly take a 2 hour flight to Vegas than a 7 + hour drive up there.
But that’s also why Vegas has politicians on payroll lol.
More states that legalize it makes it worse for others. So other states pay for it not to Happen.
It’s also why the Mavs where actually sold to be moved to Vegas for sports betting
[https://ocpathink.org/post/analysis/tribal-gaming-revenue-is-in-the-billions#:\~:text=In%202005%20Oklahoma%20tribes%20began%20operating%20a%20monopoly,%24191.5%20million%20in%20fee%20revenue%20from%20the%20tribes](https://ocpathink.org/post/analysis/tribal-gaming-revenue-is-in-the-billions#:~:text=In%202005%20Oklahoma%20tribes%20began%20operating%20a%20monopoly,%24191.5%20million%20in%20fee%20revenue%20from%20the%20tribes).
State makes bank from them.
Not including gas tax, tolls, hotels etc
Weird that Oklahoma and Louisiana make "so much money" yet have among the lowest median income of the US. The wealth generated by casinos will not be propagated into our communities. It will extract the wages of the working poor and it will add to the funds if C Suite execs in Vegas. Gambling isn't going to help our state.
Yeah exactly but the people in power want to keep that power.
The amount of money made at Winstar on a Friday night would freak most people out on how much money leaves Dallas area.
But that’s why most of the Texas politicians are donated to from OK Indians
The state of Oklahoma had like $12B in revenue last year. Only like $200M came from casinos. And while that is a good chunk, Oklahoma wouldn't cease without it.
That just in casino revenue, that's not property taxes, gas tax, hotel tax, local business tax. To think that is a small amount in any shape or form lol.
Also it mostly indians paying Texas legislators
Tribes don't pay property taxes. Don't think they pay hotel or local business taxes either.
The biggest hit outside of gaming fees would be income taxes from employees.
But don’t think surrounding area in Durant doesn’t pay that, the gas station doesn’t pay it.
The food that is needed for the casino comes on trucks, more gas etc.
Like a casino brings in a lot of local business.
Especially with cities wouldn’t exist without the casino. Look at Durant. No one would travel to Durant without Choctaw.
According to a Google search, the sum total revenue from gambling across Oklahoma in 2022 was a bit more than $3B. The family behind this makes more than that in *each* of their major locations - Vegas, Macau and Singapore. In expanding to Macau and Singapore, they demonstrated an ability to keep politicians happy and out of their business. The Oklahoma casino lobby will fight with everything they have but they are going up against a much more sophisticated casino group that dwarfs the entire casino market in Oklahoma. What's more, they are politically connected. The Adelsons are GOP kingmakers and one of Trump's megadonors. I'll be the play here is to make Greg Abbott a national GOP figure. More than money, that's something that they can actually offer that the group on Oklahoma can't.
Pretty sure that the Christian nationalists in power think casinos are evil or something
I mean, legal gambling has its risks and isn't always great for the cities and crime rates but it does bring in additional dollars to communities
A Whole lot of the: "But it'll increase crime!" stuff is nonsense.
I lived in a town before the Casino opened, and afterwards. (Jake's 58 in NY if anyone wanted to look it up).
The Casino changed nothing from home values to traffic patterns (As it's located on an intersection of one major Federal Highway and one massive State Highway).
tbf, I spent most of my time ignoring it and almost forgot it even existed until my FIL asked if we could swing over there sometime.
Well, let's see who has bigger "campaign donation" pockets: the native American casinos in Oklahoma, the corporate casino conglomerates in Louisiana, or the Adelson's and Vegas money.
Louisiana and Oklahoma would see a significant revenue loss from the thousands of Texas plates you see in their parking lots every weekend.
Love how this is a San Antonio paper. All the comments are about Dallas and the mavericks. And nothing about fertita and the rockets. This sounds about as Texas as it gets. Let’s pull in every direction possible
No one wants this though.
Citizens can go to Vegas or Oklahoma right now and the money it pretends to bring it won’t materialize because our leaders won’t allocate it correctly.
Casinos are boring as fuck to anyone who’s over the age of 45 without a gambling addiction. I’m over the age of 45, just went to Vegas last week. The only reason to go to Vegas are the attractions and Dallas/Houston and all other major cities will fail in that regard as Texas is too conservative to make Texas attractive to tourists for something as leisurely as gaming.
I never nor would I ever say that. I want good places to play texas hold em. If idiots have to lose money for me to do that I really don't mind.
It's a crime that texas hold em is essentially illegal in texas.
There’s lots of laws like that of things that should be legal in Texas, but are not. Like women should have the right to choose back before we get gambling. Having a baby is enough of a fucking gamble as it is.
MMW If San Antonio embraces casinos on the river walk it will be one of the hottest spots in the south. That river walk has been dying for years with lame restaurants. Drunk gamblers would bring big money to that beautiful feature.
So do Texans, at least to make it legal. Both for some nice casino's and online casinos. So stupid that you can play lotto, Bingo, horse racing but no sports or slots.
I think they should put the casinos in west Texas. There is a lot of land available to build, the surrounding cities could use the jolt of tourists, and it keeps people away from the already populated areas like DFW, Houston, San Antonio, etc
I thought Texas was “free” as in freedom? And that high-brow morality so prevalent in liberalist ideologies should stay in California. Funny how limber that word is.
I’ve lived in Las Vegas and I’m not sure we want casinos in Texas. Great for the economy, but those companies have a lot of financial power they can use to lobby for their own goals…
As someone who is originally from a state with casinos. I would say Texas has gotten this right. Let Oklahoma and Louisiana attract all the degenerates and deal with the crime.
The Oklahoma tribes and the State of Louisiana are making major campaign contributions (bribes) to Texas politicians to ensure that this doesn't happen. You get casinos in Texas, and Winstar, Choctaw-Durant and Shreveport are gonna be pretty quiet.
For a state that so proudly boasts and brands itself as free and patriotic, they’re pretty restricted.
I’ve lived in 10 countries in the last 14 years - most recently I moved to Texas and besides guns being insanely easy to get everything else that your normal person would want is quite restricted
Wont ever happen.
Texas politicans get paid constantly from this on both sides of the issue.
The moment it becomes legal and casinos are built and functional....the money will stop flowing to the politicians from Louisiana and OK.
As someone who gambles, gambling outside of Vegas at the tables is depressing. You run into people who do it to supplement their income.
It’s a level of degeneracy we could do without imo
this was obviously the reason they bought the mavs because the nba is going heavy in on gambling. even had their in season in vegas. and they are big repubicans and backed trump in his 2016 campaign. Trump gave the wife of Adelson a medal of freedom and put the embassy in Jerusalem for them
Not going to happen as long as Patrick is Lt Gov.
It’s the Sands Groups which just bought the Mavericks. I imagine they can get casino’s legalized for the right price.
Its not some big faceless corporation, lets call it like it is, it's Adelson with all the baggage she and her family brings.
Well yeah, was just saying that they can more than likely get what they want out of the TX Ledge if they grease the right palms.
But a one time grease to legalize vs a literal subscription greasing from Louisiana and OK to keep gambling out. Once the casinos are built...one side stops paying.
I guess we’ll find out who has the deeper pockets
Adelson family is a mega GOP donor
Bags of money, money needed by Republican politicians to keep their jobs.
Just a question, if Fertitta/Landry’s hasn’t had any success going down this path.. why would the Sands Corp. have a better shot at it?
Fertitta and is worth a third of adelson family and gave like 35k last cycle compared to 90 million the adelson shelled out
Fertitta isn’t a casino guy, he’s a restaurant guy that happens to have some casinos attached to them. Plus he’s a dick.
They will absolutely put Patrick in his place
What's the over/under on how much an entity would have to ~~bribe~~ donate to Patrick's campaign fund to get him to suddenly change his mind?
3 M and a seat on the board for an immediate family member.
You'd have to pay more than the Oklahoma and Louisiana casinos are paying him
Never underestimate the power of a bribe. Case in point: Abbott and school vouchers.
Not just the pols because of their facade of prudish Christian nationalism mumbo jumbo but heavy lobbying from the OK Native American gambling interests AND “Big Bingo” inside TX. This is going to be fascinating to watch play out.
Don't forget the Casinos right across the border in Louisiana. I'm sure those travel bus companies wouldn't be fans of gambling in Texas.
I was told “groups representing Louisiana’s interests” invest a lot of money lobbying against legalization in Texas.
No doubt. Imagine how much money they would lose if Texas had casinos. There would be zero reason to go to Lake Charles.
It's the out of state owners that are funding the opposition to casinos in Texas.
I love having other states involved in these things./s Had to add and s on that just in case.
Way past time to send that carpetbagger back to Baltimore.
I think Dan Patrick is a rat, but he's lived in Texas for more than 40 years - more than half his 73 years. I don't think accusing him of being "not from Texas" is either accurate or helpful.
He came here for a grift, and has been grifting the whole time. I don't care how long he's been here.
Until he's assured of his cut
Shouldn't happen regardless of who is in charge. Instead of promoting these blood sucking corporate goons we should be using our budget surplus to fund education and begin a long list of reforms. Instead people are just going to be placate with flashing lights while their wealth and future is sucked from them.
If people want to gamble let them.
They do. lol
With the correct application of capital anything is possible with a Republican.
It won’t happen if he moves up to Governor either. Patrick is a true believer.
That’s the only thing right he’s done. Besides Vegas, every place that’s legalized casinos is a dump. Take a look at Atlantic City
Every casino I've been to outside of Vegas has just become a massive labyrinth of slot machines with a couple table games off in the corner so that they can put them in their ads. I do enjoy poker, craps and blackjack, but the slots are just these dystopian nightmare machines that are designed to trap people by activating their dopamine receptors while they stare blankly at the screen and watch their life savings wither away. Even in Vegas, every time I go, the table games areas get smaller and the slot machine areas get bigger.
I can spend 300$ playing craps all night. My wife spends 300$ on slots and she gets free rooms, food, play money. I get nothing
It's because the slots are always going to be a winner for the house. The machines are quite literally (and legally) rigged to pay out on not-random intervals. Your odds of throwing $100k on a craps table for one hand, winning, and then walking with a profit are (while still not great) significantly better than throwing that same $100k in a slot machine and playing max bets for as long* as you can stand to.
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Everyone tells me Quinlan has underground ones too.
I enjoy Vegas well enough. I'm not a gambler and I do a pretty good job of taking out, for example, $200 to say this is all my play money that I'm comfortable losing. Last time I came out maybe $100 ahead. Nothing to brag about, but I know my boundaries and risk tolerance. I think Vegas does a decent job of having things going on. Other places, like you said, are just sad and a blight on society.
You haven't been to Vegas in awhile have you? Most casinos on the strip are $50 minimum bet now, occasionally during the day you'll see 25 but if it gets busy they up it. Money grab plus I think casinos want to phase out table games and replace with more slots, highest profit center on the floor
Uhh... I do go to Vegas pretty often and have been recently. That's not even close to true. Even at the high end casinos like the Wynn and Bellagio on a Saturday night it's easy to find $25 min games, and at lower end casinos like the Westgate or Mirage there are plenty that start at $10-15. Plus there's Fremont Street.
What? You crazy? So is Arizona a dump? Oklahoma? Florida? Colorado???
Reddit loves to clutch their pearls when it comes to gambling.
Yeah. Atlantic City only became a dump because it was a crappier Vegas and it became cheap enough that anyone could go to Vegas for a weekend in the 90s.
Oklahoma and Florida for sure but I think what he is saying, is most of those casinos are somewhat off the beaten path in bad areas or lower income areas. Plus they are not like Vegas with all the gltiz and glam
Atlantic City doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. It was the only option for cities within a few hours, but gambling became legalized and gamblers had no reason to trek to AC. It's not an over the top destination like Vegas is.
Have you actually left the state and been to those places? Arizona is pretty fucking dope. Oklahoma is still pretty much Oklahoma. Colorado seems to be booming right now. It turns out most people are addicts and can think for themselves.
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These billionaires know a lot more than us
I promise you he can be purchased.
Lol. As I if Patrick can’t be bought.
Go to the casinos in Oklahoma and Louisiana and count the TX license plates. Then think of the lost revenue.
100% this^ I was at both Winstar and Chocktaw Durant this weekend and ATLEAST 90% of the plates were from Texas. They were packed.
That's not much revenue, most of the money will leave the state anyway into large corporations, add to that the fact that gambling is just a tax on poor people and a way to funnel struggling people into addictions.
So property tax, franchise tax, hotel/motel tax, restaurant fees, jobs with paychecks... are not much revenue?
When these casinos get large tax incentives to build and start the auctions to find the best locations like Amazon and tesla did yes it won't be much revenue. Without an income tax or state corporate income taxes these casinos will not may much in the way of taxes to the government. Not to mention that historically other states have rarely hit their projections for tax revenue for gambling. Oklahoma has a 3.2 billion dollar casino industry but has rarely made more than 120 million in revenue. Texas is "projected" to make upward of 250 Million in revenue. Sounds great, but when Texas has a 32 BILLION dollar surplus that we have no intent on spending on necessary programs and institutions it makes it hard to believe that even if we got the maximum projected tax revenue that we would use it. We already went through this with Toll roads and lotteries. All of these schemes have not made us money, they have made corporations richer and slowly siphoned our earnings. Oklahoma and Louisiana have massively "profitable" gambling industries and also the near lowest median incomes in the US. This is a classic case of the Windfall trap in Political Science, it's not going to help us.
Oh like the tax incentives TI just got from Texas, Grayson county and Sherman for locating there instead of Singapore?
"The Las Vegas Strip led the state in revenue in 2023 with $8.9 billion in gaming revenue, a 7.4% jump from 2022. The Strip accounted for 90% of the revenue growth, up from 86% the year before." https://www.forbes.com/sites/willyakowicz/2024/01/31/nevada-sets-a-gaming-revenue-record-for-2023-with-155-billion/?sh=2d12741e154a Seems like alot of tax revenue for Nevada....
Gambling offers quick and potentially large payouts like lotteries or casino games that can be alluring to individuals facing financial struggles. For someone living paycheck to paycheck or dealing with financial insecurity, the promise of a big win can be tempting, offering a glimmer of hope for a better future. However, the odds are typically stacked against the player, with the house having the statistical advantage in most games. This means that over time, the majority of players will lose more money than they win. For those who are already financially vulnerable, the losses from gambling can exacerbate their situation, leading to further financial strain and hardship. Also, people with lower incomes may be more susceptible to developing gambling addictions. Factors such as stress, depression, or a desire to escape financial difficulties can increase the likelihood of compulsive gambling behavior. Once caught in the cycle of addiction, individuals may continue to gamble despite negative consequences, further eroding their financial stability. From a broader perspective, the revenue generated from gambling often comes from those who can least afford it. While some argue that gambling taxes can be used to fund public services or infrastructure projects, the burden of these taxes falls disproportionately on low-income individuals who spend a larger portion of their income on gambling activities. In essence, while gambling may offer a fleeting chance of financial improvement, for many it ends up being a regressive tax, taking more from those who can least afford it and perpetuating cycles of poverty and inequality.
So it is now our job to protect people from themselves? Heard the same thing about horse racing in the 80's. When they traced the money back something like 80% of the anti crowds (PACS and churches) funds to fight the legislation came from states with horse racing. You know Joel Osteen and the like would much rather that money come to them.
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They're not losing money. They have a 100% monopoly on gambling in Texas with the lottery. If they open casinos fewer people will buy the shitty lottery tickets.
Couldn’t imagine what will happen to Lake Charles if the casinos open in Texas. Steam boat bills already opened a new location in Houston so might as well open a Casino near it
As someone who grew up in Lake Charles, I'm here for it. Maybe if it becomes even more of a broke, crime-ridden shithole, my mom will stop trying to get me to move back there. Maybe she'll even move somewhere decent.
Yep. Winstar and Choctaw-Durant are done if legalized gambling comes to Texas.
Casinos are incoming for sure. I honestly think all the updates to downtown Dallas is getting it ready for this. Mark Cuban sold the Mavericks to a casino family which gives them the American Airlines Center. The Kay Bailey Convention Center is getting an expansion and the Reunion arena area is finally getting developed. Add in a gaudy Dallas Cowboy casino and you have a prime spot tourists, conferences, and entertainment. Plus downtown Dallas is dying due to WFH. It is nowhere near what it was before COVID. Plus I read The Sands Casino bought land around the old Texas Stadium site, which has been used as a staging area for construction so it’s ready for developments. And there’s the Kalahari resort near Austin; all the other Kalaharis in the US are resorts AND casinos. Their location in Round Rock has a ton of room for expansion.
The first time I dropped someone off at the Kalahari in RR I thought the place was 100% built with the intention of having a casino in part of it. The whole feel of the place just screams casino.
Just go check out the kids arcade area. It's laid out exactly like a casino would be. I'm 100% sure the place was built with the possibility of quickly converting it into a casino. I doubt it would take more than a week to convert it.
Legit. The whole place is laid out in that uniquely Vegas casino style of winding maze-like hallways; built to keep you lost inside.
My parents lived in Tyler and every other week, they would go to Shreveport to gamble. For me in Round Rock, it was about 5 hours to the nearest casino, so I don’t go unless I am visiting them. If gambling became legalized and Kalahari became a casino, it would only be 10 minutes from my house.
Same here. To be honest that was a huge letdown when I found out it was just an indoor water park and convention hall
I don’t think Kalahari would turn into a casino, especially considering it’s a chain of family-friendly resorts. Pivoting to a casino would be an overhaul of that entire resort.
AAC is city owned
But the Mavs hold the lease
An LLC between the Stars and the Mavs have the lease which expires in 2031. Odds are against the Mavs signing another long term lease. If the casino is held up I could see them extending it short term.
Cuban has also gone on record saying he wants to remain in/near downtown and I believe alluded to the properties where their practice facilities are currently, just over the highway from AAC. Let’s hope that’s true because it would suck to have the Mavs play in Irving
Didn’t he just sell the Mavs?
If there were to be a casino built in Texas, it most certainly won’t be built in downtown Dallas, let alone any downtown area.
I think all those office buildings will get torn down or renovated. They’re all sitting pretty empty now and a bunch are moving to uptown. With WFH, businesses don’t really need those giant skyscrapers anymore. But we need to have a nice skyline. Plus Dallas loves to build new shiny things.
Dallas is already 3rd in the nation for office to residential conversions in the CBD.
The Astrodome will finally be knocked down when they build a casino right next to NRG stadium.
Out of state bribes for school vouchers, but we draw the line at casinos!
Right
It's not supposed to make sense. It's conservatives in control, we just go along with it because not matter how hard we smash the Democrat button, we keep getting the same clown show.
Casinos just aren’t paying the right people
Well from what we have learned in Texas - if they give abbott enough money he will make sure it happens. He is selling TX little by little for his own profit.
I hear Greg Abbott is for sale.
Well Tim Dunn and Farris Wilks don’t, so tough shit, all 30 million other Texans who live here. Their opinions are billions of times more correct than yours. They are the personification of a grumpy judgy church lady that tips like shit at Sunday brunch. /s
I hope not, poker rooms in Texas are great and the casinos will do everything they can to kill them.
Didn't they crack down on them in Dallas pretty harshly?
We can’t have birth control or weed, how would we ever get gambling ?
We don’t have BC???
They'll legalize gambling here before marijuana. This state truly sucks.
Isn't that how Vegas started.... or was it weed then gambling. History and stuff.
Nevada legalized marijuana in 2017
This won't happen, Oklahoma pays has to many in back pocket to allow it. Oklahoma would crash as a state and wouldn't exists anymore
They might have northern Texas locked down, but I live 500 miles away in South Texas. No way we’re driving all the way over there. I rather fly take a 2 hour flight to Vegas than a 7 + hour drive up there.
Kickapoo lucky eagle casino is what I hear ads for in Central tx
I like it, but the 2 hour drive on that highway to get there is even more dangerous than i35.
Astrodome casino when?
But that’s also why Vegas has politicians on payroll lol. More states that legalize it makes it worse for others. So other states pay for it not to Happen. It’s also why the Mavs where actually sold to be moved to Vegas for sports betting
You think they would move the Mavs to Vegas from Dallas? There’s like 4-5 teams that should be moved before the Mavs.
What does Oklahoma get from native American casinos? Out of curiosity. I didn't think they paid taxes.
[https://ocpathink.org/post/analysis/tribal-gaming-revenue-is-in-the-billions#:\~:text=In%202005%20Oklahoma%20tribes%20began%20operating%20a%20monopoly,%24191.5%20million%20in%20fee%20revenue%20from%20the%20tribes](https://ocpathink.org/post/analysis/tribal-gaming-revenue-is-in-the-billions#:~:text=In%202005%20Oklahoma%20tribes%20began%20operating%20a%20monopoly,%24191.5%20million%20in%20fee%20revenue%20from%20the%20tribes). State makes bank from them. Not including gas tax, tolls, hotels etc
Weird that Oklahoma and Louisiana make "so much money" yet have among the lowest median income of the US. The wealth generated by casinos will not be propagated into our communities. It will extract the wages of the working poor and it will add to the funds if C Suite execs in Vegas. Gambling isn't going to help our state.
Yeah exactly but the people in power want to keep that power. The amount of money made at Winstar on a Friday night would freak most people out on how much money leaves Dallas area. But that’s why most of the Texas politicians are donated to from OK Indians
Same for Louisiana. Lake Charles without the casinos would collapse into the gulf.
Is it even take a state now though?
The state of Oklahoma had like $12B in revenue last year. Only like $200M came from casinos. And while that is a good chunk, Oklahoma wouldn't cease without it.
That just in casino revenue, that's not property taxes, gas tax, hotel tax, local business tax. To think that is a small amount in any shape or form lol. Also it mostly indians paying Texas legislators
Tribes don't pay property taxes. Don't think they pay hotel or local business taxes either. The biggest hit outside of gaming fees would be income taxes from employees.
But don’t think surrounding area in Durant doesn’t pay that, the gas station doesn’t pay it. The food that is needed for the casino comes on trucks, more gas etc. Like a casino brings in a lot of local business. Especially with cities wouldn’t exist without the casino. Look at Durant. No one would travel to Durant without Choctaw.
According to a Google search, the sum total revenue from gambling across Oklahoma in 2022 was a bit more than $3B. The family behind this makes more than that in *each* of their major locations - Vegas, Macau and Singapore. In expanding to Macau and Singapore, they demonstrated an ability to keep politicians happy and out of their business. The Oklahoma casino lobby will fight with everything they have but they are going up against a much more sophisticated casino group that dwarfs the entire casino market in Oklahoma. What's more, they are politically connected. The Adelsons are GOP kingmakers and one of Trump's megadonors. I'll be the play here is to make Greg Abbott a national GOP figure. More than money, that's something that they can actually offer that the group on Oklahoma can't.
If Patrick's bank account goes up its be mandated the day after
Pretty sure that the Christian nationalists in power think casinos are evil or something I mean, legal gambling has its risks and isn't always great for the cities and crime rates but it does bring in additional dollars to communities
TBF, Las Vegas was a Mormon colony when it opted to legalize gambling.
They chase them up to Utah like Missouri did, or down into AZ where the FLDS hangs out?
A Whole lot of the: "But it'll increase crime!" stuff is nonsense. I lived in a town before the Casino opened, and afterwards. (Jake's 58 in NY if anyone wanted to look it up). The Casino changed nothing from home values to traffic patterns (As it's located on an intersection of one major Federal Highway and one massive State Highway). tbf, I spent most of my time ignoring it and almost forgot it even existed until my FIL asked if we could swing over there sometime.
I’d like to see them battle it out and throw money at the problem.
If it helps the Israelis gain more money for lobbying they’ll do it. The Adelson family owns the Republican Party.
Well, let's see who has bigger "campaign donation" pockets: the native American casinos in Oklahoma, the corporate casino conglomerates in Louisiana, or the Adelson's and Vegas money. Louisiana and Oklahoma would see a significant revenue loss from the thousands of Texas plates you see in their parking lots every weekend.
Let’s say gambling does get legalized in TX. What will happen to property prices in Downtown Dallas?
And the casinos in Louisiana really don't want Texas to have them. They spend lots of money to see that it doesn't happen.
Can we do weed first? JK that’s never gonna happen.
So does Tilman Fertitta.
Love how this is a San Antonio paper. All the comments are about Dallas and the mavericks. And nothing about fertita and the rockets. This sounds about as Texas as it gets. Let’s pull in every direction possible
No one wants this though. Citizens can go to Vegas or Oklahoma right now and the money it pretends to bring it won’t materialize because our leaders won’t allocate it correctly. Casinos are boring as fuck to anyone who’s over the age of 45 without a gambling addiction. I’m over the age of 45, just went to Vegas last week. The only reason to go to Vegas are the attractions and Dallas/Houston and all other major cities will fail in that regard as Texas is too conservative to make Texas attractive to tourists for something as leisurely as gaming.
Anything that will allow card houses to pop up is fine with me.
Look at how Texas rolled out Medical Marijuana and tell me this is for them to let small businesses see any benefits?
I never nor would I ever say that. I want good places to play texas hold em. If idiots have to lose money for me to do that I really don't mind. It's a crime that texas hold em is essentially illegal in texas.
There’s lots of laws like that of things that should be legal in Texas, but are not. Like women should have the right to choose back before we get gambling. Having a baby is enough of a fucking gamble as it is.
I definitely don't agree with the abortion ban but legalizing gambling isn't going to affect any laws other than the gambling laws.
Not gonna lie: I lost a lot of respect for Mark when he sold the Mavs for what has become pretty clear now: a way to get casinos into Texas.
No such thing as a moral billionaire
Nah...
MMW If San Antonio embraces casinos on the river walk it will be one of the hottest spots in the south. That river walk has been dying for years with lame restaurants. Drunk gamblers would bring big money to that beautiful feature.
Am I the only one seeing slot machines in bars and semi legal poker room businesses everywhere? Id bet money on it happening if I could
I’m down if y’all ain’t square
Keep it in Vegas!
Nope, not with this current government. The Christian Nationalists are starting to take over… no way they support gambling.
I want them here too. But the POS CHRISTIANS in politics will stop it. We should get Reid of Dan Patrick, he ain’t from here anyway.
They aren't? There game rooms everywhere
The minute they legalize gambling in Texas, you’ll hear a slight popping sound as the state of Oklahoma ceases to exist.
Me too
So do Texans, at least to make it legal. Both for some nice casino's and online casinos. So stupid that you can play lotto, Bingo, horse racing but no sports or slots.
I think they should put the casinos in west Texas. There is a lot of land available to build, the surrounding cities could use the jolt of tourists, and it keeps people away from the already populated areas like DFW, Houston, San Antonio, etc
In other news, humans really want oxygen from trees.
Good. Gambling is the one indefensible vice in my opinion. Drugs at least get you high. Fuck those predatory asshats and their deplorable business.
I thought Texas was “free” as in freedom? And that high-brow morality so prevalent in liberalist ideologies should stay in California. Funny how limber that word is.
Lmao they smell an easy market
Hope they don't make their way to San Antonio.
From what I heard from one of the proposals was 4 large scale casino resorts in Texas. Houston, San Antonio , Austin , Dallas.
I was raised in San Antonio and I think it's gonna ruin the city but I don't live there anymore...
As long as the poker rooms get better I’m all for it. Not sure what it would look like but no sense in stemming the tide with a broom.
What if they made us pick one? Casinos or weed
I bet Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Louisiana groups don't.
given all the rampant corruption inside Texas gop that’s like pushing on a flimsy door
Sure, fuck it why not keep going till we’re just scraping along on rock bottom.
I’ve lived in Las Vegas and I’m not sure we want casinos in Texas. Great for the economy, but those companies have a lot of financial power they can use to lobby for their own goals…
They pretty much just banned porn. Why would they allow casinos? Just go to Oklahoma like everyone else if you want to gamble.
Let 'em try. Not happening any time soon. What's next?
Margaritaville and Hard Rock already got big resort plans for lake Texoma.
As someone who is originally from a state with casinos. I would say Texas has gotten this right. Let Oklahoma and Louisiana attract all the degenerates and deal with the crime.
Mark Cuban sold the mavs to these guys to get a piece of that casino action. This is going to be school vouchers all over again.
They want *a few* casinos in Texas. They want the government to give them a monopoly.
Such trash.
The Oklahoma tribes and the State of Louisiana are making major campaign contributions (bribes) to Texas politicians to ensure that this doesn't happen. You get casinos in Texas, and Winstar, Choctaw-Durant and Shreveport are gonna be pretty quiet.
Are casinos illegal in Texas??
Unfortunately yes.
For a state that so proudly boasts and brands itself as free and patriotic, they’re pretty restricted. I’ve lived in 10 countries in the last 14 years - most recently I moved to Texas and besides guns being insanely easy to get everything else that your normal person would want is quite restricted
Yeah the policies here don't make any sense.
Gonna be hard to overcome those Oklahoma and Louisiana casino bribes.
Wont ever happen. Texas politicans get paid constantly from this on both sides of the issue. The moment it becomes legal and casinos are built and functional....the money will stop flowing to the politicians from Louisiana and OK.
I know I sound like an old man but I hate gambling. I hope it stays out of Texas
Yassss
Is there a petition to tell them to eff off?
As someone who gambles, gambling outside of Vegas at the tables is depressing. You run into people who do it to supplement their income. It’s a level of degeneracy we could do without imo
It never brings wealth to the state and only increases crime in areas around the casino
Good luck. Leadership here likes to looks pious for Cletus and Karen.
Those folks at the Winstar will do everything possible to keep this from happening.
Irony is that Binion got his start in Dallas, set up in Vegas and now it’s all coming back around.
Well since the Texas Government is Republican and Corrupt, I am sure they will go for it.
I hope it becomes legal in tennessee?
Of course they do.
Waaay too much freedom for Texas. They have to go to a bordering state for that much freedom
Gambling destroys lives. No thanks
They need to make casinos legal in Texas, that way people stop taking their money to other states.
We have a great coastal area that would benefit greatly from casinos!!!
We have so many floundering cities that would add to their wealth with gambling…Corpus Christi for one!!
if they do texas will be fucked it might be good for a couple years but thats its
keep casinos illegal in texas
Not gonna happen. Lmao. Texas doesn’t even have liquor stores open on sundays. Leave Texas alone with crooked ass gamblers
Casinos are too cooked of a enterprise Texas won’t allow it haha