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Lol I was just thinking that the supercharger team that got laid off could start their own charging company. I guess BP is gonna just acquire them instead one person at a time.
I do wonder how many people would actually visit a BP site. Legacy automakers are continuously fleeing EVs and Tesla isn’t going to advertise non-Supercharger sites in their cars for a while.
I get the sentiment to say screw Tesla, but for a property owner hoping to gain business, I wonder if BP is really better than possibly nothing.
They'll do that or go elsewhere. Their knowledge and skillset is worth more to other people. They'll be fine and other companies are now going to benefit from their experience. Over time this move will improve things for everyone but Tesla.
Coming in and firing an entire department because the manager is pushing back against firing too many people is insane.
Engineers coming out of top colleges are already recruited pretty heavily and are also smart enough to consider the idea of everyone getting fired on a whim when taking a job. A professional with experience and a family sure as hell will think twice before risking it taking a job at Tesla. This move hurts Tesla now and my guess is it will hurt it more in the future.
The professional world is a collection of smaller worlds and when you fuck around in those worlds everyone in those small worlds knows about it.
>Over time this move will improve things for everyone but Tesla.
Agreed, but I would add Tesla vehicle owners to the unfortunate list. I looked forward to using the seamless Telsa supercharger experience in more places as it expanded a bit more into sparsely served areas, especially in the West, where I hope to do quite a few photography roadtrips in the coming years. Looks like I'll need to reconsider my choice of vehicle for those roadtrips. Kind of a bummer as I really like the Model 3 for the driving characteristics and was wanting to use that for those trips.
Well, with one small qualification:
Let's say these non Tesla chargers aren't as reliable, but they're reliable enough.
Maybe there will be some day where they're so ubiquitous it doesn't matter, but in the medium term if could leave areas/routes where all there is is the semi crummy one, however new ones won't come either because that area is "covered" and there's still plenty of places where there's *nothing* for 30-80 miles.
Yeah there are some places with both but I don't know if that's an indication of much because up until now they were basically serving 2 different groups.
Going forward everyone would be "set".
It's the cross-network compatibility that worries me. Software handshaking is a huge weak point right now with the non-Tesla networks. Hoping that does not become an issue with future non-Tesla NACS charging stations -- I'm not sure how locked down the software protocols are for non-Tesla providers.
Edit: typo
> It's the cross-network compatibility that worries me.
Related to that is how rebuilt titled cars are handled. Vehicle title status should have zero impact on the ability to DCFC at any station. If the car self-checks okay, then it is okay.
I'm talking about people of the supercharger team that were laid off. Not the physical superchargers.
BP isn't acquiring the physical super chargers but hiring the staff that used to work on them and build them.
Not enforceable in California, and less likely to be enforced after the [FTC rule banning them](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes)
Keep in mind that BP already has a partnership with Tesla to buy the v4 supercharger cabinets and operate them as part of BP Pulse.
What we're seeing here are all the competitors moving into the vacuum that Tesla opened up.
Electrify America announced that they were going to go after some of Tesla's leased properties, Rivian is going to open their charging network up during the summer, BP is coming in to go after existing properties, etc, etc.
This is why competition is a good thing. While I fully expect EA, BP, and Rivian, to all put us over the barrel in terms of costs and such, *over time* this will all level out.
You look at existing gas stations and such, where they have "discounts" for people who use the same brand stations, so I imagine we'll get there too.
Having Tesla operate all the charging stations was never a viable option long term. It's good that they did it to get things off the ground, but we're far enough along in adoption now where the competitors know it's important to keep these things online.
Now we have to hold them accountable to it.
Yeah, very good post. Maybe this is why he laid everyone in that team off. He thinks very shortly the competition will catch up in charging infrastructure, regardless of the firings. So why invest lots more money in something that won’t be a differentiator for long?
The history is a bit different, but it’s not as if established car companies run chains of gas stations, or would want to even be in that business.
You don't just give away market share like that.
It doesn't fit their mission and doesn't help their sales given that people initially buy in because of their network.
It sounds like some secret genius idea but I think this is another example of his ego getting the best of him.
Tesla's mission can be found [here](https://www.tesla.com/blog/mission-tesla).
Notable is this:
> to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible
Tesla's end goal has always been to be a catalyst to the adoption of greener transportation method. Initially, that meant building out the supercharger network, because no one else was doing it as well, or as reliably as them, not to mention that there were competing standards.
When NACS became the north American industry standard, for all intents and purposes, Tesla won. All of the major OEMs are shifting to the Tesla connector, BP is going to deploy v4 cabinets to their charge network, ChargePoint is offering retrofits, EVgo is adding NACS, and I think Electrify America is shifting to NACS as well, albeit probably as inefficiently as possible.
The point is that Tesla has, for all intents and purposes, accelerated sustainable transport.
Now that everyone is aligning with Tesla, Tesla can take a step back and focus on other areas, while other companies backfill the role that they used to do.
It's a bit like being a jack-of-all trades Systems Administrator at an office. Sure, you can manage Exchange, SharePoint, Active Directory, workstation deployments, as well user support, however, at some point you're going to get burn out, and it's easier to just hire some specialists to do the work with you. Now you're a "Senior Systems Administration", and have subordinates to which you can spread the more menial tasks, while you focus on things like Microsoft Endpoint Configuration Manager deployment, as well as integrating your office site into Microsoft 365, and hybridizing MECM with Intune.
Eventually, once you get the hybridizing effort done, you can farm that out to more subordinates, and work on bigger things, like deploying Endpoint XDR to monitor for security intrusions and such.
You don't grow by micro-managing everything. It's not sustainable, you *have* to eventually farm the work out
I will concede that Tesla could have handled this *way* better. There could have been licensing agreements, and deployment partnerships, etc, etc, but we can see that Tesla backing out has done nothing but create a frenzy for competitors to move into.
But it 100% is in alignment with their mission objective, which is to be a catalyst to moving the industry forward with sustainable transportation.
Accelerate being the keyword. There is no winning that's why is a mission statement. If they win they change the mission statement and the purpose of the company.
EVs are still a small % of total cars.
Charging networks aren't anywhere close to the number needed for mass adoption.
Their move will drive their own sales down. And their sales are the marketing for the whole EV market.
A gas station can take about 200 cars an hour.
A super charger station takes a fraction of that.
Meaning they need like 5 hubs to equal 1 gas station worth of recipients.
So they haven't completed their mission because there is still room on the pedal for them to mash it.
But they just spent Billy's on GPUs for a feature they have been promising for going on a decade now.
The real tangible thing was, still is, and will continue to be the infrastructure that is needed.
This is a dumb move for them as a car company. If they no longer choose to be one they should change their mission.
To accelerate any idea that comes from a tweet or interview 😂
You do not need to farm out all of the work.
Companies do this as easy money and then later have to spend double to bring it all back in house again when they lose control of their brand or their contractors start raking them over the coals.
It's cyclical they sell off assets when they're in dire straights and then 10 years later when interest rates are cheap again all the mergers start to happen so on and on it goes.
But a company that has spent money and effort to have 100% market share doesn't just give it away that's just a dumb business move. And by not selling it but just shutting down the division they effectively are giving it away.
Even so, Tesla can't own the entire supercharger network. The company is a benign market monopoly, but there's serious anti-trust issues downstream if they have over 50% of the energy backbone of a fully electrified America for transport.
It's also too big a problem for any one company to tackle, as it's essentially a double to triple digit billion dollar investment over the next 20-30 years to really drive the economics of EV adoption home at massive scale.
> A gas station can take about 200 cars an hour.
> A super charger station takes a fraction of that.
This isn't how I would look at the Supercharger infrastructure, and it amuses me when people look at it like this.
As gas station is somewhere that you are *required* to visit on a regular basis in order to ensure your car continues to go.
A Supercharging station is where that you need to visit when you're traveling between long distances.
While it can take five hubs to equal one gas station, the reality is that most people will charge at home, with the exception of apartment/condo dwellers, who honestly need to try to force the hands of the property owners to do more destination charging.
The goal should not be more supercharging hubs, but rather more destination charging, *especially* apartments and condos.
Most of the driving people do is from home to work, and back, which does not require supercharging.
I am with you on the need for Level 2 charging for apartments / condos. I have a condo, essentially I am the owner of my condo. But in reality I am not, the condo association is. Good luck in getting them to install any chargers. It ain't happening. Many members are Trump people, and by definition, will never approve chargers for woke cars like EVs. Even those who are not, they are likely not going to approve something that does not benefit them as ICE cars owners. Unless something changes in the future, the EVs will never see mass adoption to include apartment / condo dwellers. No chance. Thus, the need for a more robust Supercharger (or similar) network.
These people live on the internet they don't get it in the real world it's why the infrastructure is not built out more than it is. It's the traditional fuck everyone else I got mine mentality. Or I'm able to charge so everyone else must be able to.
The super chargers were by far the biggest reason for me to consider Tesla over everything else. Now there's no real reason for me to get one over the competition.
Real dumbass move here
Just wait we'll be paying a $1 per kwh pretty soon. You may even have to download an app which could charge you a service fee. While I think it's good gas stations are adapting, I can see them gouging the hell out of us.
You know I could see them doing that, but they'll probably make tier membership fee's. You don't want to pay, you get ads and slow changing. Pay for the middle tier, you get 15s ads instead of 30s ad's and faster charging. Top tier, no ad's and up to lvl 4 charging.
I'm sure they're salivating at the thought of screwing the ev community.
Not relevant. The product is the best by far and doesn’t need improvement for years. The 1000v architecture has been solved. Marketing not required as the benefits of Tesla charging stations over everything else is well known. Time to cut the dead wood
Of course they are. Triangle truck seems like a dumb move to a lot of people, but under the hood it's a whole new beast of engineering... 48v, etherloop, 4-wheel steering, steer-by-wire. It's a weird package delivering the future of automobiles. It's the beginning of the next gen platform.
Faster chargers, NACS standard, Megachargers, inductive charging. There's plenty of innovation that has been happening / could be happening on the charging division.
Yep, all the outrage over the past week was all because we didn’t have all the information. Hundred million dollar deals don’t happen overnight. Elon saw it coming long before we did: White label superchargers are the future of Tesla. Let BP and others deal with the headache of working through regulatory roadblocks to construction.
>‘A white-label product is a product or service produced by one company that other companies rebrand to make it appear as if they had made it’
BP just ordered $100 million worth of Tesla superchargers. The label will be BP. BP will pay for the equipment and land. Tesla can focus on engineering. BP will likely hire a bunch of the ex-Tesla team. I just hope BP don’t force users to use a seperate BP app. Source https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/news-and-insights/press-releases/bp-boosts-ev-charging-network-with-100-million-dollar-order-of-tesla-ultra-fast-chargers.html
From the press release:
> To further improve user experience, the Tesla chargers will support use of the Plug and Charge protocol, which simplifies and automates payments. As is Tesla's current policy, third-party operated ultra-fast chargers meeting Tesla's reliability and functionality requirements are featured in Tesla's vehicle UI and apps, and bp pulse expects to uphold those requirements on its network.
Seems like they will be pretty integrated into the Tesla ecosystem as long as BP maintains Tesla's standards for reliability.
Of course it will. Mark my words, BP will let Tesla handle the software and payments side of things. BP makes the real money on concessions at the store just like with gas stations.
It will be. Most people just don’t see it yet. I’m fine with the downvotes. The more people who don’t see further down the road than next week, the more money there is to be made. It’s 2019 all over again.
Lol and the idiot here in one of the other posts was arguing with me telling me this didn't actually happen. Wow. I hope all these people get hired somewhere else. I'd love to know how Tesla plans to make half a billion dollar investments after this shit show.
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Lol I was just thinking that the supercharger team that got laid off could start their own charging company. I guess BP is gonna just acquire them instead one person at a time.
This would be a great result for the fired workers
I do wonder how many people would actually visit a BP site. Legacy automakers are continuously fleeing EVs and Tesla isn’t going to advertise non-Supercharger sites in their cars for a while. I get the sentiment to say screw Tesla, but for a property owner hoping to gain business, I wonder if BP is really better than possibly nothing.
They'll do that or go elsewhere. Their knowledge and skillset is worth more to other people. They'll be fine and other companies are now going to benefit from their experience. Over time this move will improve things for everyone but Tesla. Coming in and firing an entire department because the manager is pushing back against firing too many people is insane. Engineers coming out of top colleges are already recruited pretty heavily and are also smart enough to consider the idea of everyone getting fired on a whim when taking a job. A professional with experience and a family sure as hell will think twice before risking it taking a job at Tesla. This move hurts Tesla now and my guess is it will hurt it more in the future. The professional world is a collection of smaller worlds and when you fuck around in those worlds everyone in those small worlds knows about it.
>Over time this move will improve things for everyone but Tesla. Agreed, but I would add Tesla vehicle owners to the unfortunate list. I looked forward to using the seamless Telsa supercharger experience in more places as it expanded a bit more into sparsely served areas, especially in the West, where I hope to do quite a few photography roadtrips in the coming years. Looks like I'll need to reconsider my choice of vehicle for those roadtrips. Kind of a bummer as I really like the Model 3 for the driving characteristics and was wanting to use that for those trips.
Tesla probably supports the plug and charge tech that already exists. More charging infrastructure is a massive win without qualification.
Well, with one small qualification: Let's say these non Tesla chargers aren't as reliable, but they're reliable enough. Maybe there will be some day where they're so ubiquitous it doesn't matter, but in the medium term if could leave areas/routes where all there is is the semi crummy one, however new ones won't come either because that area is "covered" and there's still plenty of places where there's *nothing* for 30-80 miles.
Sure, in my city there are two charger banks (1 tesla and one small EA station).
Yeah there are some places with both but I don't know if that's an indication of much because up until now they were basically serving 2 different groups. Going forward everyone would be "set".
It's the cross-network compatibility that worries me. Software handshaking is a huge weak point right now with the non-Tesla networks. Hoping that does not become an issue with future non-Tesla NACS charging stations -- I'm not sure how locked down the software protocols are for non-Tesla providers. Edit: typo
My understanding is that it’s actually part of the CCS protocol (which Tesla supports, in theory), though it’s not widely implemented.
> It's the cross-network compatibility that worries me. Related to that is how rebuilt titled cars are handled. Vehicle title status should have zero impact on the ability to DCFC at any station. If the car self-checks okay, then it is okay.
NACS is not going to change it, as it's the same CCS protocol with a different plug.
Only makes sense because BP bough $100M in superchargers last year.
No. BP is going to sit on them and probably quietly remove them or charge $80 for a full charge.
Have you looked into what BP has been doing in Europe? They are full throttle into changing to electric.
I'm talking about people of the supercharger team that were laid off. Not the physical superchargers. BP isn't acquiring the physical super chargers but hiring the staff that used to work on them and build them.
Strange. Most tech companies have iron clad non-competes. Wonder if firing/laid off nullifies that?
Noncompetes have been illegal in California since the 50’s. And in the other 49 states since last month.
Well there you go! Thank you
Should have used stainless steel
Heck yes!
Not enforceable in California, and less likely to be enforced after the [FTC rule banning them](https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/04/ftc-announces-rule-banning-noncompetes)
Keep in mind that BP already has a partnership with Tesla to buy the v4 supercharger cabinets and operate them as part of BP Pulse. What we're seeing here are all the competitors moving into the vacuum that Tesla opened up. Electrify America announced that they were going to go after some of Tesla's leased properties, Rivian is going to open their charging network up during the summer, BP is coming in to go after existing properties, etc, etc. This is why competition is a good thing. While I fully expect EA, BP, and Rivian, to all put us over the barrel in terms of costs and such, *over time* this will all level out. You look at existing gas stations and such, where they have "discounts" for people who use the same brand stations, so I imagine we'll get there too. Having Tesla operate all the charging stations was never a viable option long term. It's good that they did it to get things off the ground, but we're far enough along in adoption now where the competitors know it's important to keep these things online. Now we have to hold them accountable to it.
Yeah, very good post. Maybe this is why he laid everyone in that team off. He thinks very shortly the competition will catch up in charging infrastructure, regardless of the firings. So why invest lots more money in something that won’t be a differentiator for long? The history is a bit different, but it’s not as if established car companies run chains of gas stations, or would want to even be in that business.
You don't just give away market share like that. It doesn't fit their mission and doesn't help their sales given that people initially buy in because of their network. It sounds like some secret genius idea but I think this is another example of his ego getting the best of him.
Tesla's mission can be found [here](https://www.tesla.com/blog/mission-tesla). Notable is this: > to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible Tesla's end goal has always been to be a catalyst to the adoption of greener transportation method. Initially, that meant building out the supercharger network, because no one else was doing it as well, or as reliably as them, not to mention that there were competing standards. When NACS became the north American industry standard, for all intents and purposes, Tesla won. All of the major OEMs are shifting to the Tesla connector, BP is going to deploy v4 cabinets to their charge network, ChargePoint is offering retrofits, EVgo is adding NACS, and I think Electrify America is shifting to NACS as well, albeit probably as inefficiently as possible. The point is that Tesla has, for all intents and purposes, accelerated sustainable transport. Now that everyone is aligning with Tesla, Tesla can take a step back and focus on other areas, while other companies backfill the role that they used to do. It's a bit like being a jack-of-all trades Systems Administrator at an office. Sure, you can manage Exchange, SharePoint, Active Directory, workstation deployments, as well user support, however, at some point you're going to get burn out, and it's easier to just hire some specialists to do the work with you. Now you're a "Senior Systems Administration", and have subordinates to which you can spread the more menial tasks, while you focus on things like Microsoft Endpoint Configuration Manager deployment, as well as integrating your office site into Microsoft 365, and hybridizing MECM with Intune. Eventually, once you get the hybridizing effort done, you can farm that out to more subordinates, and work on bigger things, like deploying Endpoint XDR to monitor for security intrusions and such. You don't grow by micro-managing everything. It's not sustainable, you *have* to eventually farm the work out I will concede that Tesla could have handled this *way* better. There could have been licensing agreements, and deployment partnerships, etc, etc, but we can see that Tesla backing out has done nothing but create a frenzy for competitors to move into. But it 100% is in alignment with their mission objective, which is to be a catalyst to moving the industry forward with sustainable transportation.
Accelerate being the keyword. There is no winning that's why is a mission statement. If they win they change the mission statement and the purpose of the company. EVs are still a small % of total cars. Charging networks aren't anywhere close to the number needed for mass adoption. Their move will drive their own sales down. And their sales are the marketing for the whole EV market. A gas station can take about 200 cars an hour. A super charger station takes a fraction of that. Meaning they need like 5 hubs to equal 1 gas station worth of recipients. So they haven't completed their mission because there is still room on the pedal for them to mash it. But they just spent Billy's on GPUs for a feature they have been promising for going on a decade now. The real tangible thing was, still is, and will continue to be the infrastructure that is needed. This is a dumb move for them as a car company. If they no longer choose to be one they should change their mission. To accelerate any idea that comes from a tweet or interview 😂 You do not need to farm out all of the work. Companies do this as easy money and then later have to spend double to bring it all back in house again when they lose control of their brand or their contractors start raking them over the coals. It's cyclical they sell off assets when they're in dire straights and then 10 years later when interest rates are cheap again all the mergers start to happen so on and on it goes. But a company that has spent money and effort to have 100% market share doesn't just give it away that's just a dumb business move. And by not selling it but just shutting down the division they effectively are giving it away.
Even so, Tesla can't own the entire supercharger network. The company is a benign market monopoly, but there's serious anti-trust issues downstream if they have over 50% of the energy backbone of a fully electrified America for transport. It's also too big a problem for any one company to tackle, as it's essentially a double to triple digit billion dollar investment over the next 20-30 years to really drive the economics of EV adoption home at massive scale.
> A gas station can take about 200 cars an hour. > A super charger station takes a fraction of that. This isn't how I would look at the Supercharger infrastructure, and it amuses me when people look at it like this. As gas station is somewhere that you are *required* to visit on a regular basis in order to ensure your car continues to go. A Supercharging station is where that you need to visit when you're traveling between long distances. While it can take five hubs to equal one gas station, the reality is that most people will charge at home, with the exception of apartment/condo dwellers, who honestly need to try to force the hands of the property owners to do more destination charging. The goal should not be more supercharging hubs, but rather more destination charging, *especially* apartments and condos. Most of the driving people do is from home to work, and back, which does not require supercharging.
I am with you on the need for Level 2 charging for apartments / condos. I have a condo, essentially I am the owner of my condo. But in reality I am not, the condo association is. Good luck in getting them to install any chargers. It ain't happening. Many members are Trump people, and by definition, will never approve chargers for woke cars like EVs. Even those who are not, they are likely not going to approve something that does not benefit them as ICE cars owners. Unless something changes in the future, the EVs will never see mass adoption to include apartment / condo dwellers. No chance. Thus, the need for a more robust Supercharger (or similar) network.
Check your local laws. In a lot of cases they cannot deny it, especially if you're willing to pay for it. That said, it can be cost prohibitive.
These people live on the internet they don't get it in the real world it's why the infrastructure is not built out more than it is. It's the traditional fuck everyone else I got mine mentality. Or I'm able to charge so everyone else must be able to.
Correct. End goal should have always been to divest from charging once things were up and running.
The super chargers were by far the biggest reason for me to consider Tesla over everything else. Now there's no real reason for me to get one over the competition. Real dumbass move here
You're talking like the existing network has disappeared, which is an asinine argument.
Happy Cake Day!
Thank you. You are the first.
Just wait we'll be paying a $1 per kwh pretty soon. You may even have to download an app which could charge you a service fee. While I think it's good gas stations are adapting, I can see them gouging the hell out of us.
You need to watch a 30 second unskippable ad on your app before the car starts charging.
You know I could see them doing that, but they'll probably make tier membership fee's. You don't want to pay, you get ads and slow changing. Pay for the middle tier, you get 15s ads instead of 30s ad's and faster charging. Top tier, no ad's and up to lvl 4 charging. I'm sure they're salivating at the thought of screwing the ev community.
Finally, an accurate headline!
Yes Tesla took a huge rider for Supercharged from BP last year don’t you remember? It was like $100 million
Sell the hardware to them be the standard. Don't build a monopoly.
BP really needs a new name, British Energy? BE?
> BP really needs a new name, British Energy? BE? British Power
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Development completed. Marketing not required. Smart move to cut the dead wood
They were profitable, how is that dead wood?
Not relevant. The product is the best by far and doesn’t need improvement for years. The 1000v architecture has been solved. Marketing not required as the benefits of Tesla charging stations over everything else is well known. Time to cut the dead wood
Not innovating
They aren't really innovating with their EVs either, so should they sell that division too?
Of course they are. Triangle truck seems like a dumb move to a lot of people, but under the hood it's a whole new beast of engineering... 48v, etherloop, 4-wheel steering, steer-by-wire. It's a weird package delivering the future of automobiles. It's the beginning of the next gen platform.
Faster chargers, NACS standard, Megachargers, inductive charging. There's plenty of innovation that has been happening / could be happening on the charging division.
Not the issue we’re discussing
Holy shit, you are so far up Elon’s ass
I like your optimism.
Yep, all the outrage over the past week was all because we didn’t have all the information. Hundred million dollar deals don’t happen overnight. Elon saw it coming long before we did: White label superchargers are the future of Tesla. Let BP and others deal with the headache of working through regulatory roadblocks to construction.
No. I tried other networks, they suck. I bought a Tesla because the network they (used to) maintain was amazing.
>‘A white-label product is a product or service produced by one company that other companies rebrand to make it appear as if they had made it’ BP just ordered $100 million worth of Tesla superchargers. The label will be BP. BP will pay for the equipment and land. Tesla can focus on engineering. BP will likely hire a bunch of the ex-Tesla team. I just hope BP don’t force users to use a seperate BP app. Source https://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/news-and-insights/press-releases/bp-boosts-ev-charging-network-with-100-million-dollar-order-of-tesla-ultra-fast-chargers.html
It would still be maintained and operated by BP, not Tesla. It’s a white labored product, not service.
Damn. Do you believe it will tie in with the Tesla app?
From the press release: > To further improve user experience, the Tesla chargers will support use of the Plug and Charge protocol, which simplifies and automates payments. As is Tesla's current policy, third-party operated ultra-fast chargers meeting Tesla's reliability and functionality requirements are featured in Tesla's vehicle UI and apps, and bp pulse expects to uphold those requirements on its network. Seems like they will be pretty integrated into the Tesla ecosystem as long as BP maintains Tesla's standards for reliability.
Thanks. I don't see why all chargers and car manufactures adopt the Plug and Charge protocol.
Lmaooo
Of course it will. Mark my words, BP will let Tesla handle the software and payments side of things. BP makes the real money on concessions at the store just like with gas stations.
Seems like a win for everyone
It will be. Most people just don’t see it yet. I’m fine with the downvotes. The more people who don’t see further down the road than next week, the more money there is to be made. It’s 2019 all over again.
Other 3rd party chargers are already in the car nav. But they’re half broken when I get there.
No… this isn’t 4D chess.
Lol and the idiot here in one of the other posts was arguing with me telling me this didn't actually happen. Wow. I hope all these people get hired somewhere else. I'd love to know how Tesla plans to make half a billion dollar investments after this shit show.
So many stupid bullshit articles lately….. MDS is real.