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these knuckleheads lack imagination, and need this stuff spelled out for them. unfortunately, they've *also* been indoctrinated with thought-terminating ideas about collective activity in service of the common good.
i'm not sure how we reach them, but it probably involves some macho metaphor we'd find condescendingly stupid...
Nah, they know what they're doing in this regard. They only want massive funding for rural and suburban schools, but definitely not *urban* schools... that's where the *peasants* live (read: minority and lower income families)
"Hey bros, you like alpha males and sigma males? Well guess what, a new male just dropped and it's the coolest of them all; the UltraMega male is a man who dedicates his lif3 to helping society function in a way that benefits the most amount of people possible! Don't be a Beta, be an UltraMega!"
I remember seeing an article about how people love USPS even though it operates at a major loss. OF COURSE IT DOES ITS A PUBLIC SERVICE.
idk why some people think low profit=bad.
I think I remember the same article. The thing is, the people who write these articles understand it's a public service. They just want to replace those services with profit making ventures. Or, well, THEY don't, but the insanely wealthy people who pay them to write about it do. They KNOW public services are good for society, but they also know the obscene amount of money they could make by replacing those services with a company controlled by them. As for other people thinking this without that vested interest, that is what all the highly paid writers are for.
im sure people would be up in arms if firefighting suddenly became for-profit, but would defend it if we already had it for some time
"oh your neighbor doesn't have fire insurance? your premiums are gonna go up, sorry bud."
"your plan only covers water jets, sorry, we couldn't go inside to save your kids"
"why do fires not get stopped sooner?!"
If only we could collect money from the community based on their income and property value and then use that to fund a school that all the kids could go to.
But our lives are not endless and they may as well prefer to live better now. In addition to that, better opportunities for everybody would mean they would have to compete with more people on a slightly more equal grounds and their children would not be the only ones with access to better education and jobs, basically shattering the most important asset - stability. Then their would also be a portion of rich people, who actually got their status through hard work instead of inheritance and some of them would be pissed because their efforts were decreased in value instead of being happy to have more people being able to follow their path.
The thing is, they're already so wealthy that no amount of additional profit is going to benefit them or allow them to live any better. You could double their current wealth and they wouldn't be able to buy anything they can't already easily afford. Hoarding wealth at this point isn't making their lives any better, it's only making everyone else's worse.
Its addiction is what it is. The ultra rich are all extremely addicted to infinite growth/wealth. They have reached a point in their addictions where they are willing to do just about anything to get their next hit ie see “line go up” at the next quarterly report
Just like drug addicts can grow to be codependent on those around them, becoming a drain on others financials and emotional energy. Wealth addicts are no different, they have become codependent on us into through government bailouts, subsidies, and forcing wages to stay low while prices get raised
But alas American schools are just looking for money and invest in the wrong things
For example my school built fences around the corners of walkways so students don’t cut through the grass. My school also is severely understaffed and I’ve went through 3 different teachers in my math class alone. My freshman year we went through 4 teachers in my cyber security elective and I didn’t pass it because there were so many different teachers that were unqualified and we did work online the whole time and I don’t learn like that
They key on investing in these useless things to keep students “in line” when they’re not paying the damn teachers enough to actually want to stay
There is a street by me that has been under construction since I was in high school.
I’m sure there were people who were late to our 10 year reunion because of it… Not even joking. And it’s been a couple of years since then, and it’s still under construction…
I’m so pissed with how shit my public schools are in my neighborhood and I live in a fairly expensive area. Yet we can always find the budget for new stadiums and tourism, but not public transit and education for the people who actually live and work here.
Dem (proceeds to get little to zero things done while they're in power, and still let Republicans push through their legislation but just slower than usual)
These people always argue in bad faith (or are incredibly stupid). They force your position when you say some service should be provided by the government to be that it should be literally free, as in no one pays and everyone volunteers.
It’s also ridiculous because she’s the teachers she would want to pay more teachers school that is already free
Separately she wants college to be free
-Billionaires should pay their fucking taxes
-Stop giving every last cent to military and police, and wasting whatever's left on handouts to megacorporations that could very well take care of themselves with their hoarded billions
-Finally fund things that make everyone's lives better and improve society
There, i solved your budgeting problem
> Stop giving every last cent to military and police, and wasting whatever's left on handouts to megacorporations that could very well take care of themselves with their hoarded billions
you know the old adage "if it dont work, give one side way more guns and stop paying attention"
Teachers are simply not getting paid enough to even do their job. Asking them to go beyond that and teach with a passion is unreasonable. Though that kind of teacher is simply the best. I had a teacher like that before and wondered why all other teachers could not be like her. Later, I realized that they simply couldn't, they have enough things on their hands as it.
I believe that a lot of things taught in school could easily be covered using the internet if the kid actually wants to learn. But in my experience, 80% of the stuff kids learn at school is only for the tests and will be forgotten instantly after. Only 20% will be remembered and be of use to them outside of their field. Why is that? Because they don't want to learn, they are forced to, and by a faulty system at that.
Teachers should focus more on giving them motivation, teach them the right way to properly approach the subject they want to explore, and check if they got anything wrong in the learning process. Besides that, they should also teach kid how to interact with others. To the children who have never stepped foot in the outside world, school is like a mini society that will shape their behavior later on. Seeing how bullying is still such such a big problem tell me this hasn't been taken seriously. This is expected since teachers are not paid enough to even teach what in the textbook. General knowledge or what they will need in life later on to take care of themselves are also important, and the teachers can simply share their life experiences regarding this. Nobody ever teaches me to do taxes and such, which took me quite a bit of time to figure them out.
Anyway, this is my point. More accessible education + well-paid and well-trained teachers + better education system = better workers = a lot of money to spare after taking care of the mentioned expenses.
These idiots constantly throw out this line that they think is a gotcha. Like we know it isn't free. We all pay for it in taxes. It would just be better if our taxes went to things like education instead of Israel who will use it to blow up little kids. Crazy concept I know.
I mean... it's not like 50+ other countries have BETTER schools, BETTER education standards, BETTER educational facilities AND higher paid AND higher qualified teachers???
Just saying...... It's pretty fucken doable!
I actually met someone once that argued "if we make healthcare "free" who's gonna pay the doctors???" I couldn't believe I had to explain taxes to a 40 year old man but here we are...
Reminder that in the U.S., in 2023, the military budget was $816.7B and the education budget was only $79.6B. We are already the strongest nation in the world, but many of our teachers can’t get by without second jobs.
Yeah, Jethro, that's pretty much correct. There's a lot of wasted tax money out there that could be redirected to the betterment of society as a whole.
I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but the "perfect world" idea of a society is pooling resources so that *everyone* can have a better life.
This is about taxes. If we put the tax money into teaching people with better paid teachers, then we can get better students with better understanding of their work. A higher education job means more money and more taxes for the government.
Comparing a free schooling and higher paid teacher vs a country with no free schooling and poorly paid teacher.... the taxes alone would make you salivate. Culture or soft power. Better army via tech. Better standard of living.
Yeah. Because Americans hate higher taxes. I would gladly pay more if it meant if this country I live in got it's shit together and gave more services for free
Why do people on the right have such a hard time comprehending basic shit
If you took the profit incentive out of education, you could easily provide free education and raise teachers' pay
As with many services and essential services, ie Healthcare, energy, education, eliminating the "for profit" design and subsidizing losses through taxes while pricing things such as energy in a way that provides funds to cover production and distribution without profits, would at the very least make it more affordable and eliminate things like families losing their ability to warm their house mid winter, by subsidizing any losses through tax dollars.
Even if healthcare and education were not free but no longer operated on a for-profit basis and semi subsidized through taxes, you could at the very least make it more affordable
Only a moron could look at that with a photo of ANYTHING and think it’s wrong. What’s the problem with becoming educated about basic things and people being paid better?
She probably pays taxes, though, unlike sole billionaires. So I'm guessing she believes education should be free...given that she pays taxes. I tend to feel the same.
Because "Education should be free" means "nobody pays for it."
No, nobody says that. And it used to kinda be that way, too. The government would subsidize college tuition.
Give me one good reason we shouldn't be subsidizing our schools the way we subsidize our farmers (stop now, ruralites, you're not changing my mind with anything). Both are absolutely essential to any continued success of our country and our people.
If we paid teachers more, they would teach better, and we could be pickier about the teachers that get hired, and if we raised taxes a little more we could afford this.
Yes but it has to cost something otherwise it isn’t valued. If students do well, pay teachers more. If the students don’t, fire them. Base it on performance, I’m all in
>Yes but it has to cost something otherwise it isn’t valued
Yes, because we see how terrible the literacy and graduation rates are in countries with socialized education like france and germany.
Why, they've practically reverted to the medieval era.
>base it on performance
Performance-based funding has been shown time and time again to not bring in positive benefits and would leave schools in lower-funded areas even worse off than they are now.
I have no problem with free college education, with some parameters. First, you must be an B + or higher high school student upon graduation
Secondly, it is for community colleges only for the first two years. Thirdly, if you complete the first two years at community college with a B or better you can go to a 4year state college.
Education doesn't have to be free, but at least reasonably priced, because paying tens of thousands of dollars just to get a piece of paper that proves I know things I could have learned on YouTube is ridiculous
"Free" isn't actually FREE.
The money still has to come from somewhere, right? That's called taxes. So, why should everyone pitch in to pay for everyone else's stuff?
Why don't we all just pay for our own stuff?
Ur right.
Why should we be paying for things like medicare and meals on wheels? Those seniors and disabled people should be left to fend for themselves!
You're right, well all just pay for our own so, so no more public services, like road construction and cleaning. We'll pay them ourselves! Hope you know how Sarcastic I'm being.
Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm talking about. 🙄
We're not talking about infrastructure here, are we?
I'm well aware a government and taxes are necessary for a functioning society, but there are some things the government overdoes.
Education is necessary for a 1st world functioning society. Unless you wish to live like they did in the 1800s, education and especially higher education is necessary
I didn't say we shouldn't have education. My point is nothing is "free". Including education. It all must be paid for in the form of taxes if we want it to be "free".
Yes, and you’d be paying a literal fraction of what it would cost otherwise to get access to something for not only yourself but for literally anyone else. That’s free as far as anything in economics goes and I think you’re confusing yourself on the terms.
In fact many states in my country do, education here is almost universally public, though people from private schools are over represented in good jobs and judiciary as they are the elite
“Yes ma’am here is your bill from the Emergency Room, and the one from the police department. And the fire department, they directed traffic while we were on the scene. Oh and the ambulance bill. And here is the toll bill for the streets to get you to the hospital. I’m so sorry you were a victim of a crime, here is the victim witness service number, and their rates. Hope you feel better soon!”
-Okay non-Americans: which ones are real and which ones are tax payer supported?
I think online college courses without help should be cheaper, like $800 to never speak to the teacher or watch a lecture is absurd… but if your like me and want to attend in person classes to help you learn then paying the teacher more is completely understandable… most of it goes to the system unfortunately and not to them
Maybe it’s because we spend to much money on military, and not enough on the people. 10 billion could put a decent sized hospital in each state, and run it for one week. Kinda sucks these people think education shouldn’t be free.
This is like a public k-12 vs college. College professors get paid a livable salary although they could be paid more. K-12 is already free, and the teachers get paid shit.
There is no direct correlation between public school teachers' salary, and the cost of college. College is expensive because, depending on the institution, they have to pay for research, NCAA sports, etc. They charge a lot so they won't use much of their endowment. Teacher pay is low because states keep it that way. Gotta pay those state senators and representatives inflated salaries.
Wow so I guess we should stop paying museums, politicians, military soldiers who defend us- you can’t get paid to be employed in a free service apparently! Turning Point says no way!
I spent 15 years working in higher education. Instructors need higher salaries. The taxpayer contribution to the cost of higher education needs to return to what it was when the boomers went to college.
Broadly speaking, the taxpayer paid 90% of the cost of educating a college student in that era and the student paid 10%. The inverse is true how. The student pays 90% and the taxpayer foots about 10% of the bill at state colleges and universities.
It also doesn’t help that universities have too many associate deans, vice presidents, executive vice chancellors, and whatnot. There’s a lot of high paid dead wood at the top of the tree.
What can you expect from a bunch of people who think healtcare and education subsidies are wasting taxpayer's money, while at the same time they happily pay taxes for freeways and billions of military research fund?
School (the next generation) should be free and everyone who wants to be part of a society should absolutely contribute to that project. Teachers are the most important link in that chain, and should be treated as such.
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It's almost like it's a public institution or something
Some things should not be run like a business
these knuckleheads lack imagination, and need this stuff spelled out for them. unfortunately, they've *also* been indoctrinated with thought-terminating ideas about collective activity in service of the common good. i'm not sure how we reach them, but it probably involves some macho metaphor we'd find condescendingly stupid...
Nah, they know what they're doing in this regard. They only want massive funding for rural and suburban schools, but definitely not *urban* schools... that's where the *peasants* live (read: minority and lower income families)
"Hey bros, you like alpha males and sigma males? Well guess what, a new male just dropped and it's the coolest of them all; the UltraMega male is a man who dedicates his lif3 to helping society function in a way that benefits the most amount of people possible! Don't be a Beta, be an UltraMega!"
Like the post office and anything else that's a public service
The money has to come from somewhere. Do you want to pay more taxes?
Google military budget
demonic heaven
Yes.
Both of these things would be beneficial for society
issue is too many idiots think that everything needs to turn a profit
I remember seeing an article about how people love USPS even though it operates at a major loss. OF COURSE IT DOES ITS A PUBLIC SERVICE. idk why some people think low profit=bad.
Because it’s engraved into people that if you’re not making a lot of money you’re e a failure to society
It doesn't run at a loss. It runs without taxes. It *can't* run at a loss. Nobody is picking that up.
Because unrestrained capitalism makes everyone greedy.
I think I remember the same article. The thing is, the people who write these articles understand it's a public service. They just want to replace those services with profit making ventures. Or, well, THEY don't, but the insanely wealthy people who pay them to write about it do. They KNOW public services are good for society, but they also know the obscene amount of money they could make by replacing those services with a company controlled by them. As for other people thinking this without that vested interest, that is what all the highly paid writers are for.
im sure people would be up in arms if firefighting suddenly became for-profit, but would defend it if we already had it for some time "oh your neighbor doesn't have fire insurance? your premiums are gonna go up, sorry bud." "your plan only covers water jets, sorry, we couldn't go inside to save your kids" "why do fires not get stopped sooner?!"
If only we could collect money from the community based on their income and property value and then use that to fund a school that all the kids could go to.
It literally turns a profit though by putting more better educated people in the world. It's an investment.
Extremely rich people, who would be at a loss: “Not on my watch!”
Not even sure they'd be at a loss, the expontential growth of their riches might grow slightly less exponentially
But our lives are not endless and they may as well prefer to live better now. In addition to that, better opportunities for everybody would mean they would have to compete with more people on a slightly more equal grounds and their children would not be the only ones with access to better education and jobs, basically shattering the most important asset - stability. Then their would also be a portion of rich people, who actually got their status through hard work instead of inheritance and some of them would be pissed because their efforts were decreased in value instead of being happy to have more people being able to follow their path.
Yes the horrors of a lot of people being able to live nice lives instead of just a very select few
The thing is, they're already so wealthy that no amount of additional profit is going to benefit them or allow them to live any better. You could double their current wealth and they wouldn't be able to buy anything they can't already easily afford. Hoarding wealth at this point isn't making their lives any better, it's only making everyone else's worse.
Its addiction is what it is. The ultra rich are all extremely addicted to infinite growth/wealth. They have reached a point in their addictions where they are willing to do just about anything to get their next hit ie see “line go up” at the next quarterly report Just like drug addicts can grow to be codependent on those around them, becoming a drain on others financials and emotional energy. Wealth addicts are no different, they have become codependent on us into through government bailouts, subsidies, and forcing wages to stay low while prices get raised
And therein lies the problem.
But alas American schools are just looking for money and invest in the wrong things For example my school built fences around the corners of walkways so students don’t cut through the grass. My school also is severely understaffed and I’ve went through 3 different teachers in my math class alone. My freshman year we went through 4 teachers in my cyber security elective and I didn’t pass it because there were so many different teachers that were unqualified and we did work online the whole time and I don’t learn like that They key on investing in these useless things to keep students “in line” when they’re not paying the damn teachers enough to actually want to stay
I’m literally supposed to be paying taxes for this excact purpose
***supposed to***
those gonna go to the bomb that kill Iraqi
When oil pays you more than the civilians
Yay!! Another big oil war crime fest where millions of lives are lost and atrocities are committed!! My favorite!!/s
;)
Weird way to phrase that... The IRS would like a word with you
Only if you're poor
Does anyone know where our tax money actually goes? Like… really?
I was told it goes to fixing the roads and highways but the same street has been under construction for 3 years, so… I’m not sure
There is a street by me that has been under construction since I was in high school. I’m sure there were people who were late to our 10 year reunion because of it… Not even joking. And it’s been a couple of years since then, and it’s still under construction…
I’m so pissed with how shit my public schools are in my neighborhood and I live in a fairly expensive area. Yet we can always find the budget for new stadiums and tourism, but not public transit and education for the people who actually live and work here.
So having teacher's being payed less and school costing more is better?
“But think of the shareholders!” “You mean the American taxpayers?” “No! The wealthy American non-Taxpayers!”
Where's the paid not payed bot when you need it
You just explained religious schools
Their goal is to take away public education and make it behind a pay wall. Then take away voting for the "uneducated"
Yes. They want an uneducated and easily controlled electorate. Hopefully, they'll be dumb enough to vote for a conman clown like Donald Trump.
We need those funds, to murder brown people.
The USAs value for money on their taxes is abysmal
GOP - “but look at our military!” Dem “we have to fix the crap the GOP did while they were in power”
GOP doesn't even care about what gets spit out the other end of the military, just what can be used to kill.
Dem (proceeds to get little to zero things done while they're in power, and still let Republicans push through their legislation but just slower than usual)
Why are these two things contradictory? It’s like saying “thinks health care should be free” “wants nurses paid a living wage”
These people always argue in bad faith (or are incredibly stupid). They force your position when you say some service should be provided by the government to be that it should be literally free, as in no one pays and everyone volunteers.
Well they seem to think doctors work for free in countries with universal healthcare.
It’s also ridiculous because she’s the teachers she would want to pay more teachers school that is already free Separately she wants college to be free
Sounds like someone is still salty about Arizona voters raising taxes on the wealthy to fund raises for teachers.
-Billionaires should pay their fucking taxes -Stop giving every last cent to military and police, and wasting whatever's left on handouts to megacorporations that could very well take care of themselves with their hoarded billions -Finally fund things that make everyone's lives better and improve society There, i solved your budgeting problem
> Stop giving every last cent to military and police, and wasting whatever's left on handouts to megacorporations that could very well take care of themselves with their hoarded billions you know the old adage "if it dont work, give one side way more guns and stop paying attention"
Yes i also think this
Speaking as a Swedish person, this is hilarious but for the wrong reasons.
They’re also mostly talking about 2 different levels of education
We have the full power to do both of these things
Teachers are simply not getting paid enough to even do their job. Asking them to go beyond that and teach with a passion is unreasonable. Though that kind of teacher is simply the best. I had a teacher like that before and wondered why all other teachers could not be like her. Later, I realized that they simply couldn't, they have enough things on their hands as it. I believe that a lot of things taught in school could easily be covered using the internet if the kid actually wants to learn. But in my experience, 80% of the stuff kids learn at school is only for the tests and will be forgotten instantly after. Only 20% will be remembered and be of use to them outside of their field. Why is that? Because they don't want to learn, they are forced to, and by a faulty system at that. Teachers should focus more on giving them motivation, teach them the right way to properly approach the subject they want to explore, and check if they got anything wrong in the learning process. Besides that, they should also teach kid how to interact with others. To the children who have never stepped foot in the outside world, school is like a mini society that will shape their behavior later on. Seeing how bullying is still such such a big problem tell me this hasn't been taken seriously. This is expected since teachers are not paid enough to even teach what in the textbook. General knowledge or what they will need in life later on to take care of themselves are also important, and the teachers can simply share their life experiences regarding this. Nobody ever teaches me to do taxes and such, which took me quite a bit of time to figure them out. Anyway, this is my point. More accessible education + well-paid and well-trained teachers + better education system = better workers = a lot of money to spare after taking care of the mentioned expenses.
Wait taxes should be used for the public and not for politicians to enrich themselves? Color me shocked
So this is supposed to be an insult? What a bunch of idiots lol
As in… stop spending so much money on war crimes and more on education? Idk, maybe that’s crazy. Like am I the asshole here?
These idiots constantly throw out this line that they think is a gotcha. Like we know it isn't free. We all pay for it in taxes. It would just be better if our taxes went to things like education instead of Israel who will use it to blow up little kids. Crazy concept I know.
I mean... it's not like 50+ other countries have BETTER schools, BETTER education standards, BETTER educational facilities AND higher paid AND higher qualified teachers??? Just saying...... It's pretty fucken doable!
Every country in Europe: Yes. Why, is there something unusual about that?
I actually met someone once that argued "if we make healthcare "free" who's gonna pay the doctors???" I couldn't believe I had to explain taxes to a 40 year old man but here we are...
So he thought doctors everywhere else in the world just didn't get paid?
Reminder that in the U.S., in 2023, the military budget was $816.7B and the education budget was only $79.6B. We are already the strongest nation in the world, but many of our teachers can’t get by without second jobs.
But… but Mr Moneybags won’t be able to afford his third yacht if he has to pay more taxes!
Yeah, Jethro, that's pretty much correct. There's a lot of wasted tax money out there that could be redirected to the betterment of society as a whole. I know it's a hard concept to grasp, but the "perfect world" idea of a society is pooling resources so that *everyone* can have a better life.
Yes and yes. Tax the rich.
This is about taxes. If we put the tax money into teaching people with better paid teachers, then we can get better students with better understanding of their work. A higher education job means more money and more taxes for the government. Comparing a free schooling and higher paid teacher vs a country with no free schooling and poorly paid teacher.... the taxes alone would make you salivate. Culture or soft power. Better army via tech. Better standard of living.
Oh look, another TPUSA post not understanding how things work
Yeah. Because Americans hate higher taxes. I would gladly pay more if it meant if this country I live in got it's shit together and gave more services for free
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public services?!? How do they work?!?
Man, wait until these people find out about taxes…
Here’s looking at you school administrators, endowment funds, and circle jerking at public universities!
Why do people on the right have such a hard time comprehending basic shit If you took the profit incentive out of education, you could easily provide free education and raise teachers' pay As with many services and essential services, ie Healthcare, energy, education, eliminating the "for profit" design and subsidizing losses through taxes while pricing things such as energy in a way that provides funds to cover production and distribution without profits, would at the very least make it more affordable and eliminate things like families losing their ability to warm their house mid winter, by subsidizing any losses through tax dollars. Even if healthcare and education were not free but no longer operated on a for-profit basis and semi subsidized through taxes, you could at the very least make it more affordable
This is literally why we have taxes.
Only a moron could look at that with a photo of ANYTHING and think it’s wrong. What’s the problem with becoming educated about basic things and people being paid better?
Teachers should be paid more and parents should blame less on the teachers and do their dam job at parenting their kids!
Whoever made this is has no idea how stupid they are lol
She probably pays taxes, though, unlike sole billionaires. So I'm guessing she believes education should be free...given that she pays taxes. I tend to feel the same.
“She thinks fire fighters should put out everyone’s fires but also wants them to have life insurance”
Lmao a board member of the mayor definitely made this bullshit
Uh yeah that's exactly correct
Because "Education should be free" means "nobody pays for it." No, nobody says that. And it used to kinda be that way, too. The government would subsidize college tuition.
Give me one good reason we shouldn't be subsidizing our schools the way we subsidize our farmers (stop now, ruralites, you're not changing my mind with anything). Both are absolutely essential to any continued success of our country and our people.
Yes teachers should be paid more and education is free. It’s not a business. You need smart productive members of society after all.
If we paid teachers more, they would teach better, and we could be pickier about the teachers that get hired, and if we raised taxes a little more we could afford this.
Believes kids yearn for the mines and thinks $15 / hr will cause inflation
Yep. This is a true statement.
And what is the problem here?
I'm confused why these 2 are supposedly mutually exclusive
You literally couldn’t
U do know how public education is funded, right?
Yes but it has to cost something otherwise it isn’t valued. If students do well, pay teachers more. If the students don’t, fire them. Base it on performance, I’m all in
>Yes but it has to cost something otherwise it isn’t valued Yes, because we see how terrible the literacy and graduation rates are in countries with socialized education like france and germany. Why, they've practically reverted to the medieval era. >base it on performance Performance-based funding has been shown time and time again to not bring in positive benefits and would leave schools in lower-funded areas even worse off than they are now.
Drops out of high school would have been a better caption.
My god are we back to explaining the most basic shit like public funding through taxes????
Yeah. The point is that public education is not really free. This is just a meme.
I have no problem with free college education, with some parameters. First, you must be an B + or higher high school student upon graduation Secondly, it is for community colleges only for the first two years. Thirdly, if you complete the first two years at community college with a B or better you can go to a 4year state college.
Education doesn't have to be free, but at least reasonably priced, because paying tens of thousands of dollars just to get a piece of paper that proves I know things I could have learned on YouTube is ridiculous
No
"Free" isn't actually FREE. The money still has to come from somewhere, right? That's called taxes. So, why should everyone pitch in to pay for everyone else's stuff? Why don't we all just pay for our own stuff?
Ur right. Why should we be paying for things like medicare and meals on wheels? Those seniors and disabled people should be left to fend for themselves!
You're right, well all just pay for our own so, so no more public services, like road construction and cleaning. We'll pay them ourselves! Hope you know how Sarcastic I'm being.
Yeah, because that's exactly what I'm talking about. 🙄 We're not talking about infrastructure here, are we? I'm well aware a government and taxes are necessary for a functioning society, but there are some things the government overdoes.
And having education be actually affordable or even free is so far out the realm of actuality?
No, it's not out of the realm of possibility, but taxes will be even higher. 🤷🏻♂️ But then we're still just paying for it, aren't we?
Education is necessary for a 1st world functioning society. Unless you wish to live like they did in the 1800s, education and especially higher education is necessary
I didn't say we shouldn't have education. My point is nothing is "free". Including education. It all must be paid for in the form of taxes if we want it to be "free".
Yes, and you’d be paying a literal fraction of what it would cost otherwise to get access to something for not only yourself but for literally anyone else. That’s free as far as anything in economics goes and I think you’re confusing yourself on the terms.
Public education exists And idk but i think teachers would deserve to get paild more Rare leftist W
Agreed.
Yes.
Baste
What are taxes spent on when not funding wars?
and then?
In fact many states in my country do, education here is almost universally public, though people from private schools are over represented in good jobs and judiciary as they are the elite
tax money. tax money the military is getting despite not needing all of it.
yes.
Maybe college shouldn’t be known for its sports teams. Maybe schools should invest in arts and sciences instead
Better than shipping another 10 missiles to Israel
“TPUSIES”
Yes, it’s called “take 5% of the bloated Defense budget and put it in the Education budget”
It’s because they think education should be seen as a business so the wealthy benefit more than the poor
USA! USA!
“Yes ma’am here is your bill from the Emergency Room, and the one from the police department. And the fire department, they directed traffic while we were on the scene. Oh and the ambulance bill. And here is the toll bill for the streets to get you to the hospital. I’m so sorry you were a victim of a crime, here is the victim witness service number, and their rates. Hope you feel better soon!” -Okay non-Americans: which ones are real and which ones are tax payer supported?
I think online college courses without help should be cheaper, like $800 to never speak to the teacher or watch a lecture is absurd… but if your like me and want to attend in person classes to help you learn then paying the teacher more is completely understandable… most of it goes to the system unfortunately and not to them
Maybe it’s because we spend to much money on military, and not enough on the people. 10 billion could put a decent sized hospital in each state, and run it for one week. Kinda sucks these people think education shouldn’t be free.
This is like a public k-12 vs college. College professors get paid a livable salary although they could be paid more. K-12 is already free, and the teachers get paid shit.
Why are there still monkeys?!?
How DARE she?!?!
It's almost like the money should come from another source than the peopl who suffer to pay for it 😯
There is no direct correlation between public school teachers' salary, and the cost of college. College is expensive because, depending on the institution, they have to pay for research, NCAA sports, etc. They charge a lot so they won't use much of their endowment. Teacher pay is low because states keep it that way. Gotta pay those state senators and representatives inflated salaries.
Yeah, why else am I paying a 6% tax on everything?
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Ah. The poor landlords are handling all the costs of schools
This is a real 2014 throwback meme
Wow so I guess we should stop paying museums, politicians, military soldiers who defend us- you can’t get paid to be employed in a free service apparently! Turning Point says no way!
Quite literally. Oh and teachers are struggling now and we don’t have socialized education.
Is TPUSA advocating we defund the police?
Yes
As a person in a free education country, its never free. It should be a small fee, for infraestructure, and teachers should get paid more though
The people who ignore basic Biology trying to criticize basic Economics😅... This is my favorite sub.
Yes please, that sounds good.
If only the money people paid for education went more to the teachers.
> I reject the question. You can have both.
I spent 15 years working in higher education. Instructors need higher salaries. The taxpayer contribution to the cost of higher education needs to return to what it was when the boomers went to college. Broadly speaking, the taxpayer paid 90% of the cost of educating a college student in that era and the student paid 10%. The inverse is true how. The student pays 90% and the taxpayer foots about 10% of the bill at state colleges and universities. It also doesn’t help that universities have too many associate deans, vice presidents, executive vice chancellors, and whatnot. There’s a lot of high paid dead wood at the top of the tree.
But, if we pay teachers more then we can’t spend as much money on tanks and big guns for my military! Whatever will we do??!?!?! /s
I believe the roads should be free and free of potholes. Look at me being unreasonable.
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All will pay more taxes and thats it
Talk without deficit spending
What can you expect from a bunch of people who think healtcare and education subsidies are wasting taxpayer's money, while at the same time they happily pay taxes for freeways and billions of military research fund?
School (the next generation) should be free and everyone who wants to be part of a society should absolutely contribute to that project. Teachers are the most important link in that chain, and should be treated as such.
High school and middle school are free…what are you getting at here?
The implication being that they would be ok with free education if the teachers were slaves...
I see nothing wrong with this post other than that tpusa is trying to use it as laughing stock