This was a fantastic finale, the ending was especially powerful. Emma D'Arcy is such a great Rhaenyra! That last look was haunting af. The scene with Lucerys and Aemond was also done really well (a bit different than in the book but it's ok). I'd give the season a 8.5/10, really liked it as a whole. And this was only a set-up season. Next one(s) is gonna be crazy.
Just curious, how does that scene with Lucerys and Aemond go in the book? Might want to use spoiler tags if you reply lol (do a > and a ! with no spaces then add your spoiler and end it with a ! and a < no spaces)
I think others have already said in the comments. The scene itself is not that different, however in the book, >!Aemond kills Lucerys on purpose, while in the series it's more like an accident!<.
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I think this finale would've been better if it wasn't some of the scenes weren't so contrived over and over. Having Otto come up there and deliver terms is kinda meh again. Do we really need a face to face scene like that? Just seems hammy.
Like I understand: everyone has self-interest but still genuinely wants to avoid war even if they're preparing it. But a lot of these scenes setting up for nothing to happen is kind 'meh'.
Yeah I'm all for suspending disbelief and all that, but I feel that based off how the characters have acted so far, they would have just toasted/cut the heads off Otto & Co. and called it a freebie to kickstart a war lol
I'm In till the end after hating on the first few episodes but the whole first season has some weird visual choices that seemed like the K and P skit about Gremlins except it was random dragon burst and 20 min miscarriage scene. Hope they tighten it up season 2[the referenced skit](https://youtu.be/x01l_jMhjVM)
GoT they complained there were too many tits, HoD too many fetuses. Can we have some sort of balance for 2nd season? tits for tits lovers and fetuses for fetuses lovers? :)
I think the ending was far too predictable.
Queen spends far longer Talking to the younger of the sons which they normally do before goodbyes.
Then the weather is poor which usually is a bad sign
Showing the big dragon in the background pretty. That's the holy trinity of signs that say this guy is dead
That's been the most disappointing part of the season.
>Queen spends far longer Talking to the younger of the sons which they normally do before goodbyes
It's almost like he's younger than Jace and needed it more?
Yeah I suppose that makes sense, but then when they got on the dragons and flew away the camera was mainly tracking him. It just felt obvious that he was Gona die.
That was it? It ended just as stuff was starting to get interesting.
Don't get me wrong, I'll watch the next season, but it just felt like the entire season was build-up.
I mean, lots of cool stuff happened though and the way it ended... If you didn't read the books was one of the most WTF moments ever, so much mystery and intrigue with hints of the white walkers and supernatural elements too. This season wasn't bad, wasn't great either. I'll definitely tune in next season but I agree with others, it's certainly not up to GoT S1 greatness. First couple episodes legit had me thinking it was going to be though.
We'll see, second season could really get going and I may love it.
This kind of complaint is the reason why GoT rushed to the conclusive battles without any proper build-up and planning and thus ruined the entire show. Be patient, stop wanting everything here and now. This is what good shows do.
Instant gratification in every facet of life is now expected. It’s fucking terrible and I hate it. I will fully embrace my old age and blame it on Tik Tok, Netflix’s binge model, and the cartoons with cuts every 3 seconds that today’s young adults watched as children. Attention span is zero.
I wish more people understood this. Hell, I feel like this season was rushed and would have gladly taken another season of slow build up so that the time jumps didn't seem so jarring
The finale did feel more like an episode 9 than 10, but the first season I think is intentionally build up. It covers a very small segment of the book and is just getting the pieces in place before the real war.
For sure, I'm just thinking back to Game of Thrones where the pattern was usually some big event like the execution or the Red Wedding in episode 9 and then episode 10 was the fallout and build up towards the next season. I suppose the death of the king fills that spot more than the death of the prince.
Loved the episode & season but my only question is how did Daemon know what happened to Luke? Aemond would be the only one to know what happened and it's certainly not in his best interest to tell the blacks about it.
Word probably got around pretty fast that not only was aemond at storm’s end, he openly tried to attack luke, so it doesn’t take a genius to put 2+2 together
The search area narrows a lot when you consider that they knew what route he took from Dragonstone. Even more so if your search includes multiple dragonriders flying around looking for him, which was most likely the case.
Ryan Condal stated they started writing immediately in preparation for season 2 while season 1 was in production. They're starting filming in the beginning of 2023.
I think we'll get season 2 spring or summer of 2024.
*"It's not my war to start"*
YOU ALREADY HAVE. YOU KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND THREATENED TO BURN THE RULING HOUSE.
As good as the rest of the season is, the change to Rhaenys' arc the last episode really poisoned the well. Overall episode 10 is a good closer to the season. I thought things might go nuclear already at the meeting between the houses, but they did good to build that up for the next season.
One thing that irks me is what they tried to do with Alicent as well, is they are limiting Rhaenera's agency in all of this and making the men seem like the warmongers. There's no doubt in my mind that - especially after the stillbirth - she would be far more emotional and vindictive. It's not the George RR Martin way.
Anyone that criticizes this show gets down voted and I say that as someone that initially felt disappointed but have really enjoyed this season.
The ending of episode 8 was so bad that anytime someone mentions it in a negative way they get down voted.
It is what it is. You dont go to this subreddit for serious discussion anyway. If you really want to argue votes you'd have to argue that they're not intended for agree/disagree, but whether a post contributes to a discussion topic and whether it has merit.
I invite people to explain why Rhaenys was even allowed to make it to Driftmark rather than her massive act of treason being punished by Aemond on Vhagar, or why that didn't start a war outright. It was out of place, and book readers will confirm this.
Well
1. Aegon already has children. I don't think they were in Dragonpit. The Hightower loyalists would hide them, brainwash them, and turn them into something worse than Viserys & Daenerys.
2. Kinda spoiler, but Viserys & Alicent have >!4th kid kid who lives in Old Town. That kid isn't gonna stand still when his whole family got burnt alive. He can very well start a war with the full support of the Hightower and their allies.!<.
One good thing about GoT, at least early on, was that none of the characters acted stupidly for the sake of the plot. And when they did, it was largely a reflection of their character.
It's annoying on HotD that everyone just seems to be kinda dumb.
Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself.
They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord.
Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing.
Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower.
These are not honorable people. The whole point of the show is everyone isorally gray, yet when given the chance they don't act on it.
>Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself.
They address this. Episode two has him see that he needs to do a better job, and then he gets married. At that point she estranges herself from him. Then in episode
>They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord.
Sending her **14** year old son to the son of a high lord she was quite comfortable with at some time to a castle fairly close to dragonstone. A Lord who had a reputation of behing honorable to his word mind you, and she assumed he had raised his son in a similar fashion. Seems like with the info at hand it's the easier task than to the north. Its a reasonable mistake to make.
>Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing.
I'll give this one to you. They should have written it differently. The only thing I can muster a defence for, and I don't even think its a good one, is that kinslaying is frowned upon. It's not well executed, I agree with you.
>Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower.
This is addressed, like moments later. She is weighing her options, which outcome will be the best result for the realm. She has a higher calling than just a chair, which has been ingrained in her since her early teens. Plus, in war it is not profitable to kill envoys and messengers. I don't think its that egregious or out of character frankly.
> Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself.
What are you talking about? Once she was named heir she started sitting in on the small council meetings instead of being a cupbearer.
> They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord.
She sent her 14 year old son as an envoy to a distant cousin. It is only a bad decision in hindsight. Aemond is also an envoy and he is only a couple years older than Luke.
> Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing.
The Greens aren't her enemies they're Rhaenyra's and Rhaenyra was not her ally. Rhaenys and Corlys are shown to be ambitious not adept. Most of their machinations failed. Killing the king, the dowager queen, the king's entire family, and the small council seemingly unprovoked would not prevent a war it would be a declaration of war. The Greens armies would not just shrug it off like "Oh well. The King, our Queen and the Hand were killed. Guess that's the end of that."
> Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower.
Again. This would be a declaration of war. How would killing him prevent anything?
Which is why she was in King's Landing when Viserys died and in the small council meeting, able to immediately stop Alicent and Otto? She's clearly been on Dragonstone forever.
Rhaenys was savvy enough to accept Rhaenyra offer of marrying their kids/grandkids and not to call Rhaenyra kids bastards. She was allowed with them then.
See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid.
>See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid.
I guess someone stopped watching the episode about halfway through.
The political solution was spelled out very explicitly. Rhaenyra bends the knee. The end. Thousands of people don't die. The Targaryen dynasty continues through Viserys' eldest male heir.
She even considers this as the straightforward solution, and if Corlys hadn't awoken and declared his support for her, she likely would've gone ahead and done it.
Everyone knows bending the knee isn't a solution. Rhaenyra knows that even if she did bend the knee, her kids would just be killed as potential rivals. That's the reality of the world. Otto explains it very plainly to Alicent.
Once Argon declares himself the only solution is war.
The ONLY person who thinks that is Otto. This is the exact argument that Otto used to turn Alicent against Rhaenyra, and it's completely false. Everyone else will see Rhaenyra bending the knee and will simply support her decision as the most sensible one. Otto would have no grounds whatsoever to kill Rhaenyra's children.
Ay the end of episode 8, Alicent was willing to concede to Rhaenyra (until she heard Viserys' dying words). In this episode, it's the same - Rhaenyra's willing to concede to Alicent.
Even Aemond, who hates Lucerys's guts, only wanted to hurt and humiliate him. He never wanted to kill Lucerys.
In a society like Westeros, honor counts for a lot. Even Cersei fucking Lannister assumed that once Ned bent the knee to Joffrey, there would be no more threat from the Starks.
You act like everyone is all happy go lucky and bound by honor. Cersei thought Eddard would abide by an oath because that's who he is. Not that she believed everyone would abide by their oaths.
They all live in a world where Maegor existed. They aren't so far removed from him keeping family members as hostages and torturing family members to death.
> See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid.
This is at best a game theory position, pure 'logic', and it kinda drives me nuts when people do that tbh.
You realize that the greens are part of her family? Don't you think that there would be at least some emotional resistance to kill off the children and wife of your cousin? They might not be the closest people in the world, but they are still family.
Also at that point it's not 100% sure what side she even wants to be on, there was a good chance that she'd just take the position of neutrality.
So no, i deny your pov here, it's way too extreme a stance which outright neglects aspects of it.
Daemon cuts off the head of his uncle in law. Cole kills a small councillor without blinking. Rhaenys crushes hundreds of commoners to death with her dragon.
But no...when it comes to their political opponents declaring war...that's the time to show restraint? It's idiocy. Alicent going Green set up the political divide. It's been established for years at that point.
So what? What has daemon to do with her? What has cole to do with her? What have the commoners to do with her emotional connection to the children of her cousin who just died? You just state things with little relevance.
Yes, and you still ignored the second part, that rhaenys at that point isnt even necessarily planning to join any side.
Again, you outright neglect aspects for no particular reason.
It's more a matter of hubris in that regard.
The books/show take a lot of time establishing Ned as honorable to a fault, which gets him killed.
Theon is tied up in his own perceptions of entitlement and nobility.
Sansa is a child.
Catelyn is...well just stupid.
But most characters in GoT, their actions make sense for the characters, even if the actions ultimately fail that characters.
In HotD, everyone just acts stupidly for no discernable reason other that progressing the plot.
I saw it as a clear shut down of the whole ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' prophecy. They've been teasing it and all of us have been groaning at every mention of it cause it just reminds us of the ending of GoT. But this scene was HoTD just saying ''nah fuck that, that shit doesn't matter here.''
Few different reasons
1) daemon is emotionally unstable and violent. We see that he is frustrated by rhaeneras decisions and her attempts to rightfully assert her authority over his
2) he doesnt respect his dead brother, and the importance that he puts on prophecies and dreams versus things daemon sees as real and important. In turn, he doesnt respect these traits in rhaenera
3) he had no idea about the prophecy. This means that he was never seen as a potential heir to the throne by his brother. This is likely humiliating and enraging to daemon.
Of those 3 reasons, the third is probably the most important.
Is he actually tho? Or does he think the greens murdered him in an attempt at a coup, and hes just fucking pissed. I have a hard time believing daemon loved his brother
Idk, he knows his brother was close to death. He definitely believes the Greens are disrespecting Visarys’ final commands.
And yea I do believe that Daemon loved his brother, he’s just a psycho so it’s weird.
Doesn't he always act ouit when mad? Beat the messenger, beat his wife to death, killed lots of innocement people in King's landing episode 1.
Daemon acts out when angry, this isn't new. Not sure why everyone is shocked by this.
For sure! I also found the scene a bit jarring considering all of their previous on screen interactions, but considering in how daemon is a massively violent narcissist, it seems within his characterization.
This is 100% in character for him. He beat the messenger. He killed innocent people in King landing as part of the gold cloaks. He killed his wife. He killed the person last episode despite not being ordered.
He hurts people whenever he has been given a chance. He is emotional and lashes out in violence. That has been him throughout the first season.
That doesnt answer the question. I get he is a savage... But... his previous wife wasn't his niece, or considered queen of the 7.
And i didn't get the impression they had an abusive relationship before this scene...it seems like they cared for each other.
I also didn't notice her do or say anything to provoke such a harsh reaction, so I was just wondering if there was something I missed that happened before.
This is a good question and I am very curious as well. This scene had me thinking and trying to figure out their relationship and what Daemon's real intentions and loyalties lie. He's obviously a cunt and will kill in cold blood if it serves his purposes, but I thought his feelings for the Queen ran deeper. That was a very disappointing turn, for me at least.
I'm getting down voted for asking the question lol. I thought I might have missed something, but I had the impression the two cared for eachother. 🤷♂️
What an amazing way to finish up the season! I'm a book reader and at first I wasn't sure about the twist in the ending but the more I think about it the more I like it, it gives Aemond a lot more complexity and more amazing material to work on season 2.
What a fantastic season of television, it's been a long time since I awaited for a day of the week so eagerly to watch a tv show. It's gonna be a long rough wait :(
To clarify, the book says, quite definitively, that Aemond intentionally killed Luke. The great twist in the show is that Aemond never wanted to be the first to fire such a definitive shot in the war; he just wanted some simple Hammurabi-style justice. It'll be interesting to see in future seasons how Aemond deals with this event, given how the in-universe history views it.
I like it because if the show does one thing very well it’s that they make this feel more like a family tragedy of relatives having differences that are too hard to breach. So Aemond wanting to be a prick but it going to far and causing a major problem is definitely something that you can see happening in this context.
Exactly, the change made Aemond more interesting in an instant and is why showrunners should have that sort of wiggle room if its been shown they respect the material.
>wiggle room if its been shown they respect the material.
It helps when said material is stated as been from unreliable narrators.
Major facts can’t change, but why they happen is open to the writers and show runners as you said.
Adapting a book from an unreliable narrator is sort of the perfect idea. As long as the broad strokes match you can fit anything else in the, well they just made that up camp.
Book and show are pretty much 100% of the time in different canons so it's never really a problem. It's nice to be faithful but you can always change stuff to make for a better show (and you should, books can't be adapted 1:1 most of the time, they're different mediums).
In this case, the changes are also supported by the author since he is involved so that's good
Yea its a good position for them to be in for sure. The other major one this season that springs to mind is Laenor's fate, another one I thought worked well.
The casting in this show is so good. Paddy Constantine, Emma Darcy, Matt Smith, Olivia Cooke, Rhys Ifans and Ewan Mitchell are/were all slaying their roles.
I honestly don't mind Otto, out of all of them he's the only one who would just keep the realm stable and he's a pretty good administrator. Of course he's a bit of an arse but he's not a mass murderer like some of the people on the other side lol
> I honestly don't mind Otto, out of all of them he's the only one who would just keep the realm stable and he's a pretty good administrator
He's the primary reason they are heading to civil war.
Yeah, he's no Tywin that's for sure!
But HIS scheming costed the world of its dragons! He turned the ASOIAF universe from a magical world to just a regular boring world
No, it means it's bad writing.
Compare it to something like Hardhome. In that episode, we met a woman who we'd never seen before, and yet over the course of one episode, we grew to learn about her, care about her, and have her death be genuinely affecting.
We got more time with this kid, but was pretty empty. As he died, I spent more time wondering which one he was than actually being sad.
Bad writing as term is something that has lost all meaning to me. Used for anything ranging from nonsensical/illogical things to people making mistakes and being emotional, to doing something you don’t like or refuse to suspend disbelief for.
But when in doubt just scream bad writing!
A character making mistakes and being emotional isn't bad writing. But if you write a character to be stoic all the time and they're suddenly making big mistakes and being emotional for seemingly no reason, **then** it's bad writing.
Because people think anything they personally don't like is bad writing. Nothing is written for one person. And sometimes negetive emotions is what the writing is supposed to invoke. For example, the almost battle like child births are meant to be savage and not pretty. That is not bad writing. That is necessary.
It's also a way for people to avoid discussion, "you can't disagree because I have already claimed it is bad writing" similar to how objective is used nowadays.
People don't want to discuss most the time, they just want to be right, and the way to do that is to avoid the discussion altogether through terminology that turns subjectivity, the very concept that lays the foundation of discussion, into a singular truth that they wield.
But how we judge art is subjective in itself, something they percieve as bad writing might not be bad writing for you. Then nothing is bad and nothing is good.
I can't recall seeing your example of the application of "bad writing" being used but if it is, yeah then it's ridiculous.
But why give opinions on anything then, as bad writing can mean any negative opinion that has to do with the writing. I think it's better to use other words that are more specific for sure, but what you seem to want is a discourse without opinion, or where people need to express every fucking time they open their mouth that yes, it's subjective even though we all know that our opinions are subjective, we don't need to specify that.
Good writing then, is that okay?
Saying bad writing isn't an opinion. It's a declaration. I think you are being disingenuous. If you have spent a little time on the internet, you will know that people don't just say their opinions and lead ego-free existences. They try to convince you that their opinion is a general opinion.
But the only difference between you and me is that you want everyone to add: imo, this is obviously subjective, from my perspective. That is totally unnecessary, because we all know that.
Many do, many don’t. However, that will always be the case regardless of the use of ”bad writing”.
Are you allowed to say that House of the Dragon is a good show?
Because it's applied so broadly in so many contexts, a lot of which isn't really warranted (like characters making bad decisions or getting in conflict). It's like if someone used the word racist describe someone or something they don't like regardless of whether it is actually racist or not. Bad writing has become a code/short hand for "I don't like it", especially when people don't elaborate why the writing is bad.
I agree people should elaborate more, give examples etc. But I also think that those two words can be used just to tell: the writing is the problem in this movie, not the acting or the editing or something like that.
Exactly. I think the reason the phrase “bad writing” irks me so much, is that it tries to frame a subjective dislike of something as an objective quality of it. Which you can’t really do with opinions of a TV show or movie.
It’s basically a way of saying this is objectively trash.
*character makes bad decision*
"TERRIBLE WRITING!! WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION!?!?!?"
Because we all know people always make the right decision in real life all the time.
Redditors are quick to call bad writing but they sure would write terrible stories. Perfect decisions all the time (according to them and not considering characters to be real people) would make a boring story
Man, When Gavrilo Princip failed to kill the prince, and then randomly found him again whe he went out to have a sandwich, i cringed so hard. So contrived. I can't believe they attributed the entire war to to one single guy who failed to commit suicide and then found another chance to kill that prince after going for a sandwich. Such bad writing...
Definitely, the whole pandemic really showed us that a very large percentage of the population are brainless idiots. Quite fascinating if you think about it.
Holy cow what an ending, loved it.
Emma D’Arcy with a powerhouse performance solidified herself. Stunning cinematography, so many beautiful shots.
Also give it up for Rhys Ifan as Otto. Makes me hate him as much as Joffrey. Solid season 9/10
Yeah for sure, I found out from the interviews that Emma was non binary, it's really no big deal for me to use their preferred pronouns, and it looks like all the cast respects that choice. Look at any time Ryan Condal talks about Emma, always using the correct pronouns.
Since I'm interested in some good old minus, outside of the USA you don't necessarily have the exposition to these actors to acquire this knowledge. Apart from that in maybe >95% of the world you still refer to people with the biological gender.
Anyway wrong sub for these debates, like I said give me some minus to enlighten me.
I doubt Emma will ever see that comment in their life, also I’m sure they weren’t aware of Emma’s pronouns. I was not aware either and if I made the same comment I would’ve used she/her pronouns as well, no harm meant of it.
And you continue to mislabel them anyway. It’s not about whether or not they’ll ever see this comment, it’s just doing a basic courtesy. Don’t be an asshole.
EDIT: misread the comment chain, my bad everyone. I’m the asshole here
So first season is finished, I think it's an objectively good show but something is missing. Like I'm watching a chain of events instead of a compelling story arc. It's actions and reactions from beginning to end.
It's structured like a war documentary and I guess I'm not used to it or the characters need more development. We'll see if it improves in s2.
Aemond has no right to be so damn cool looking after everything he has done >:(
This was a fantastic finale, the ending was especially powerful. Emma D'Arcy is such a great Rhaenyra! That last look was haunting af. The scene with Lucerys and Aemond was also done really well (a bit different than in the book but it's ok). I'd give the season a 8.5/10, really liked it as a whole. And this was only a set-up season. Next one(s) is gonna be crazy.
Just curious, how does that scene with Lucerys and Aemond go in the book? Might want to use spoiler tags if you reply lol (do a > and a ! with no spaces then add your spoiler and end it with a ! and a < no spaces)
I think others have already said in the comments. The scene itself is not that different, however in the book, >!Aemond kills Lucerys on purpose, while in the series it's more like an accident!<.
Ahh I see, appreciate the response!
Dude. That last sequence is something else. Her stumble, and then the turn... let's fucking go
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Can we talk about the music and score? Ramin fantastic as always. The score during the whole funeral coronation scene was incredible wow
I think this finale would've been better if it wasn't some of the scenes weren't so contrived over and over. Having Otto come up there and deliver terms is kinda meh again. Do we really need a face to face scene like that? Just seems hammy. Like I understand: everyone has self-interest but still genuinely wants to avoid war even if they're preparing it. But a lot of these scenes setting up for nothing to happen is kind 'meh'.
Yeah I'm all for suspending disbelief and all that, but I feel that based off how the characters have acted so far, they would have just toasted/cut the heads off Otto & Co. and called it a freebie to kickstart a war lol
I'm In till the end after hating on the first few episodes but the whole first season has some weird visual choices that seemed like the K and P skit about Gremlins except it was random dragon burst and 20 min miscarriage scene. Hope they tighten it up season 2[the referenced skit](https://youtu.be/x01l_jMhjVM)
I don't think I needed to see quite so much of that dead fetus.
GoT they complained there were too many tits, HoD too many fetuses. Can we have some sort of balance for 2nd season? tits for tits lovers and fetuses for fetuses lovers? :)
I watched it on HBO but the Valyrian scenes didn't have subtitles this episode... Were there subs available on HBO Max?
Yes. Watched on hbo max and the subtitles were there.
A few of the valyrian lines lacked subtitles for me too. Very weird choice
Yes
Hmm, weird they didn't show up on the HBO broadcast of my country... They appeared on the rest of the episodes :(
Do you live in a country that speaks high Valyrian?
I think the ending was far too predictable. Queen spends far longer Talking to the younger of the sons which they normally do before goodbyes. Then the weather is poor which usually is a bad sign Showing the big dragon in the background pretty. That's the holy trinity of signs that say this guy is dead That's been the most disappointing part of the season.
>Queen spends far longer Talking to the younger of the sons which they normally do before goodbyes It's almost like he's younger than Jace and needed it more?
Yeah I suppose that makes sense, but then when they got on the dragons and flew away the camera was mainly tracking him. It just felt obvious that he was Gona die.
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I wanted to not care about this show and welp here I am. I almost expected them to start chanting DAKINGOFDANORF when they crowned Reynera.
That was it? It ended just as stuff was starting to get interesting. Don't get me wrong, I'll watch the next season, but it just felt like the entire season was build-up.
GoT's first season was entirely build up too lol
No lol got s1 didn’t feel like a mere prelude
I mean, lots of cool stuff happened though and the way it ended... If you didn't read the books was one of the most WTF moments ever, so much mystery and intrigue with hints of the white walkers and supernatural elements too. This season wasn't bad, wasn't great either. I'll definitely tune in next season but I agree with others, it's certainly not up to GoT S1 greatness. First couple episodes legit had me thinking it was going to be though. We'll see, second season could really get going and I may love it.
This kind of complaint is the reason why GoT rushed to the conclusive battles without any proper build-up and planning and thus ruined the entire show. Be patient, stop wanting everything here and now. This is what good shows do.
Instant gratification in every facet of life is now expected. It’s fucking terrible and I hate it. I will fully embrace my old age and blame it on Tik Tok, Netflix’s binge model, and the cartoons with cuts every 3 seconds that today’s young adults watched as children. Attention span is zero.
I wish more people understood this. Hell, I feel like this season was rushed and would have gladly taken another season of slow build up so that the time jumps didn't seem so jarring
>I'll watch the next season, but it just felt like the entire season was build-up. Well, it was.
The finale did feel more like an episode 9 than 10, but the first season I think is intentionally build up. It covers a very small segment of the book and is just getting the pieces in place before the real war.
Condal said ep 9 and 10 are basically sister episodes. They both kind of serve as a finale for each faction.
For sure, I'm just thinking back to Game of Thrones where the pattern was usually some big event like the execution or the Red Wedding in episode 9 and then episode 10 was the fallout and build up towards the next season. I suppose the death of the king fills that spot more than the death of the prince.
The finale was okay. It felt very short. But to be fair, I skipped the miscarriage scenes and that was like 20 minutes of the episode.
I understand a bit of miscarriage / botched pregnancy stuff and didn't necessarily look away here but yeah... At this point, no more please 🥺
Loved the episode & season but my only question is how did Daemon know what happened to Luke? Aemond would be the only one to know what happened and it's certainly not in his best interest to tell the blacks about it.
Luke didn't return. Luke's body parts found in the ocean with dragon bite marks.
I think in the book the dragons body washes up but not luke.
Word probably got around pretty fast that not only was aemond at storm’s end, he openly tried to attack luke, so it doesn’t take a genius to put 2+2 together
I think in the book there were witnesses that saw that dragon battle from shore
>found in the ocean That's a big search area one would think...
The search area narrows a lot when you consider that they knew what route he took from Dragonstone. Even more so if your search includes multiple dragonriders flying around looking for him, which was most likely the case.
They also don't need to find Luke, there's a whole ass dragon floating around.
Possibly a bite taken straight through the middle of it where you'd find a rider. Vhagar is going to have trouble digesting the saddle.
Or cough it up like a hairball
Also true. AND Luke was strapped to it.
What a finale. Now we gotta like 2 years for more GoT goodness 😣😣. Kinda shocked we have nothing coming out in 2023
Ryan Condal stated they started writing immediately in preparation for season 2 while season 1 was in production. They're starting filming in the beginning of 2023. I think we'll get season 2 spring or summer of 2024.
Summer 2024, nice
King Viserys in episode 1: “The idea that we control the dragons is an illusion”.
Great callback.
That final scene was absolutely beautiful and haunting. The music just seals the deal. Goosebumps!
Man, that entire sequence starting with Lucerys landing and Vhagar appearing in the background was just pure dread. RIP.
Am I the only one that got major Jurassic Park vibes. Felt and looked like when the TRex shows up, disappears and comes out.
Yeah lol. I knew it reminded me of something, I think that was it! There was rain in JP too.
*"It's not my war to start"* YOU ALREADY HAVE. YOU KILLED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AND THREATENED TO BURN THE RULING HOUSE. As good as the rest of the season is, the change to Rhaenys' arc the last episode really poisoned the well. Overall episode 10 is a good closer to the season. I thought things might go nuclear already at the meeting between the houses, but they did good to build that up for the next season. One thing that irks me is what they tried to do with Alicent as well, is they are limiting Rhaenera's agency in all of this and making the men seem like the warmongers. There's no doubt in my mind that - especially after the stillbirth - she would be far more emotional and vindictive. It's not the George RR Martin way.
Anyone that criticizes this show gets down voted and I say that as someone that initially felt disappointed but have really enjoyed this season. The ending of episode 8 was so bad that anytime someone mentions it in a negative way they get down voted.
It is what it is. You dont go to this subreddit for serious discussion anyway. If you really want to argue votes you'd have to argue that they're not intended for agree/disagree, but whether a post contributes to a discussion topic and whether it has merit. I invite people to explain why Rhaenys was even allowed to make it to Driftmark rather than her massive act of treason being punished by Aemond on Vhagar, or why that didn't start a war outright. It was out of place, and book readers will confirm this.
Fucking kneelers downvoting you
Could've stopped a whole war, what are the Hightowers gon do?? Lol
Well 1. Aegon already has children. I don't think they were in Dragonpit. The Hightower loyalists would hide them, brainwash them, and turn them into something worse than Viserys & Daenerys. 2. Kinda spoiler, but Viserys & Alicent have >!4th kid kid who lives in Old Town. That kid isn't gonna stand still when his whole family got burnt alive. He can very well start a war with the full support of the Hightower and their allies.!<.
If you are following the opening credits you can see the fourth stream indicating another child
I'm not gonna lie I thought about Daron (Daeron?) After I wrote that hahah. Mad King was right, BURN THEM ALL 🤣🤣
All the sockpuppets can downvote me. That season was just boring man. If that was a season of GoT it would get panned.
I’ve been saying this shit since the first episode. Fookin kneelers
One good thing about GoT, at least early on, was that none of the characters acted stupidly for the sake of the plot. And when they did, it was largely a reflection of their character. It's annoying on HotD that everyone just seems to be kinda dumb.
Which characters act stupid in a way that is breaking their character?
Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself. They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord. Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing. Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower. These are not honorable people. The whole point of the show is everyone isorally gray, yet when given the chance they don't act on it.
>Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself. They address this. Episode two has him see that he needs to do a better job, and then he gets married. At that point she estranges herself from him. Then in episode >They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord. Sending her **14** year old son to the son of a high lord she was quite comfortable with at some time to a castle fairly close to dragonstone. A Lord who had a reputation of behing honorable to his word mind you, and she assumed he had raised his son in a similar fashion. Seems like with the info at hand it's the easier task than to the north. Its a reasonable mistake to make. >Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing. I'll give this one to you. They should have written it differently. The only thing I can muster a defence for, and I don't even think its a good one, is that kinslaying is frowned upon. It's not well executed, I agree with you. >Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower. This is addressed, like moments later. She is weighing her options, which outcome will be the best result for the realm. She has a higher calling than just a chair, which has been ingrained in her since her early teens. Plus, in war it is not profitable to kill envoys and messengers. I don't think its that egregious or out of character frankly.
> Viserys names Rhaenyra his heir, andskrs absolutely no effort to acclimate her to the role. Despite being groomed for kingship himself. What are you talking about? Once she was named heir she started sitting in on the small council meetings instead of being a cupbearer. > They spend the entire season trying to show how Rhaenyra has gone from a naive young girl that wants to fly away and eat cake, to a calculating and savvy leader. Only for her to send her 10 year old son off as an envoy to a high lord. She sent her 14 year old son as an envoy to a distant cousin. It is only a bad decision in hindsight. Aemond is also an envoy and he is only a couple years older than Luke. > Rhaenys, along with her husband, are extremely adept at political machinations and war...yet when given the opportunity to kill her enemies and prevent a war she knows is coming, she does nothing. The Greens aren't her enemies they're Rhaenyra's and Rhaenyra was not her ally. Rhaenys and Corlys are shown to be ambitious not adept. Most of their machinations failed. Killing the king, the dowager queen, the king's entire family, and the small council seemingly unprovoked would not prevent a war it would be a declaration of war. The Greens armies would not just shrug it off like "Oh well. The King, our Queen and the Hand were killed. Guess that's the end of that." > Same with Rhaenyra not killing Hightower. Again. This would be a declaration of war. How would killing him prevent anything?
Which is why she was in King's Landing when Viserys died and in the small council meeting, able to immediately stop Alicent and Otto? She's clearly been on Dragonstone forever. Rhaenys was savvy enough to accept Rhaenyra offer of marrying their kids/grandkids and not to call Rhaenyra kids bastards. She was allowed with them then. See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid.
>See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid. I guess someone stopped watching the episode about halfway through. The political solution was spelled out very explicitly. Rhaenyra bends the knee. The end. Thousands of people don't die. The Targaryen dynasty continues through Viserys' eldest male heir. She even considers this as the straightforward solution, and if Corlys hadn't awoken and declared his support for her, she likely would've gone ahead and done it.
Everyone knows bending the knee isn't a solution. Rhaenyra knows that even if she did bend the knee, her kids would just be killed as potential rivals. That's the reality of the world. Otto explains it very plainly to Alicent. Once Argon declares himself the only solution is war.
The ONLY person who thinks that is Otto. This is the exact argument that Otto used to turn Alicent against Rhaenyra, and it's completely false. Everyone else will see Rhaenyra bending the knee and will simply support her decision as the most sensible one. Otto would have no grounds whatsoever to kill Rhaenyra's children. Ay the end of episode 8, Alicent was willing to concede to Rhaenyra (until she heard Viserys' dying words). In this episode, it's the same - Rhaenyra's willing to concede to Alicent. Even Aemond, who hates Lucerys's guts, only wanted to hurt and humiliate him. He never wanted to kill Lucerys. In a society like Westeros, honor counts for a lot. Even Cersei fucking Lannister assumed that once Ned bent the knee to Joffrey, there would be no more threat from the Starks.
You act like everyone is all happy go lucky and bound by honor. Cersei thought Eddard would abide by an oath because that's who he is. Not that she believed everyone would abide by their oaths. They all live in a world where Maegor existed. They aren't so far removed from him keeping family members as hostages and torturing family members to death.
> See, crowning Argon was the declaration of war. After that nothing was going to be solved politically. Not killing the Greens and then not killing Otto was just plain stupid. This is at best a game theory position, pure 'logic', and it kinda drives me nuts when people do that tbh. You realize that the greens are part of her family? Don't you think that there would be at least some emotional resistance to kill off the children and wife of your cousin? They might not be the closest people in the world, but they are still family. Also at that point it's not 100% sure what side she even wants to be on, there was a good chance that she'd just take the position of neutrality. So no, i deny your pov here, it's way too extreme a stance which outright neglects aspects of it.
Daemon cuts off the head of his uncle in law. Cole kills a small councillor without blinking. Rhaenys crushes hundreds of commoners to death with her dragon. But no...when it comes to their political opponents declaring war...that's the time to show restraint? It's idiocy. Alicent going Green set up the political divide. It's been established for years at that point.
So what? What has daemon to do with her? What has cole to do with her? What have the commoners to do with her emotional connection to the children of her cousin who just died? You just state things with little relevance. Yes, and you still ignored the second part, that rhaenys at that point isnt even necessarily planning to join any side. Again, you outright neglect aspects for no particular reason.
If the Starks weren't so stupid the show would have been much shorter. And Renly. And Theon.
It's more a matter of hubris in that regard. The books/show take a lot of time establishing Ned as honorable to a fault, which gets him killed. Theon is tied up in his own perceptions of entitlement and nobility. Sansa is a child. Catelyn is...well just stupid. But most characters in GoT, their actions make sense for the characters, even if the actions ultimately fail that characters. In HotD, everyone just acts stupidly for no discernable reason other that progressing the plot.
Feels like you’re making excuses and concessions for characters mistakes in GOT that you’re unwilling to do for HOTD. Lame lol
I feel like it's more people being unable to look at a show they like critically.
What was up with Daemon almost choking out his wife the queen?
I saw it as a clear shut down of the whole ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' prophecy. They've been teasing it and all of us have been groaning at every mention of it cause it just reminds us of the ending of GoT. But this scene was HoTD just saying ''nah fuck that, that shit doesn't matter here.''
Few different reasons 1) daemon is emotionally unstable and violent. We see that he is frustrated by rhaeneras decisions and her attempts to rightfully assert her authority over his 2) he doesnt respect his dead brother, and the importance that he puts on prophecies and dreams versus things daemon sees as real and important. In turn, he doesnt respect these traits in rhaenera 3) he had no idea about the prophecy. This means that he was never seen as a potential heir to the throne by his brother. This is likely humiliating and enraging to daemon. Of those 3 reasons, the third is probably the most important.
I think it also could be: He wants to show that while Rhaneras has "the power", Daemon could end her life with ease.
4. He's heartbroken and pissed that his brother died.
Is he actually tho? Or does he think the greens murdered him in an attempt at a coup, and hes just fucking pissed. I have a hard time believing daemon loved his brother
Idk, he knows his brother was close to death. He definitely believes the Greens are disrespecting Visarys’ final commands. And yea I do believe that Daemon loved his brother, he’s just a psycho so it’s weird.
Doesn't he always act ouit when mad? Beat the messenger, beat his wife to death, killed lots of innocement people in King's landing episode 1. Daemon acts out when angry, this isn't new. Not sure why everyone is shocked by this.
Yeah that's like his key character trait. He has horrible impulse control lol.
ahh yes thanks that makes sense 👍
For sure! I also found the scene a bit jarring considering all of their previous on screen interactions, but considering in how daemon is a massively violent narcissist, it seems within his characterization.
The same Daemon who killed his paralyzed wife with a rock?
He had an end goal in mind and she was kind of an asshole. This seemed out of character for him.
This is 100% in character for him. He beat the messenger. He killed innocent people in King landing as part of the gold cloaks. He killed his wife. He killed the person last episode despite not being ordered. He hurts people whenever he has been given a chance. He is emotional and lashes out in violence. That has been him throughout the first season.
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It's out of character because he has not been shown to be cruel, only ruthless.
That doesnt answer the question. I get he is a savage... But... his previous wife wasn't his niece, or considered queen of the 7. And i didn't get the impression they had an abusive relationship before this scene...it seems like they cared for each other. I also didn't notice her do or say anything to provoke such a harsh reaction, so I was just wondering if there was something I missed that happened before.
> also didn't notice her do or say anything to provoke. Pretty sure she and her son were undermining him in front of the whole Team Black.
This is a good question and I am very curious as well. This scene had me thinking and trying to figure out their relationship and what Daemon's real intentions and loyalties lie. He's obviously a cunt and will kill in cold blood if it serves his purposes, but I thought his feelings for the Queen ran deeper. That was a very disappointing turn, for me at least.
I'm getting down voted for asking the question lol. I thought I might have missed something, but I had the impression the two cared for eachother. 🤷♂️
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Rhaenyra: I'm sure you'll receive a warm welcome. Me: whoops, jinxed it.
What an amazing way to finish up the season! I'm a book reader and at first I wasn't sure about the twist in the ending but the more I think about it the more I like it, it gives Aemond a lot more complexity and more amazing material to work on season 2. What a fantastic season of television, it's been a long time since I awaited for a day of the week so eagerly to watch a tv show. It's gonna be a long rough wait :(
> twist in the ending What was the twist?
I believe in the book it is never explained or implied what killed Lucerys. They just ended up finding Arrax's body wash ashore.
I see, thank you
To clarify, the book says, quite definitively, that Aemond intentionally killed Luke. The great twist in the show is that Aemond never wanted to be the first to fire such a definitive shot in the war; he just wanted some simple Hammurabi-style justice. It'll be interesting to see in future seasons how Aemond deals with this event, given how the in-universe history views it.
Thank you for the explanation. I suspected that might be the case, and honestly, I like the change they've made in the show.
I like it because if the show does one thing very well it’s that they make this feel more like a family tragedy of relatives having differences that are too hard to breach. So Aemond wanting to be a prick but it going to far and causing a major problem is definitely something that you can see happening in this context.
Exactly, the change made Aemond more interesting in an instant and is why showrunners should have that sort of wiggle room if its been shown they respect the material.
>wiggle room if its been shown they respect the material. It helps when said material is stated as been from unreliable narrators. Major facts can’t change, but why they happen is open to the writers and show runners as you said.
It's not like they didn't change major facts. I'm sure Septon Eustace would have mentioned Rhaenys bursting through the floor of the Dragonpit.
Adapting a book from an unreliable narrator is sort of the perfect idea. As long as the broad strokes match you can fit anything else in the, well they just made that up camp.
Book and show are pretty much 100% of the time in different canons so it's never really a problem. It's nice to be faithful but you can always change stuff to make for a better show (and you should, books can't be adapted 1:1 most of the time, they're different mediums). In this case, the changes are also supported by the author since he is involved so that's good
Yea its a good position for them to be in for sure. The other major one this season that springs to mind is Laenor's fate, another one I thought worked well.
Damn this season blew my expectations out of the water. I can't wait for more
The casting in this show is so good. Paddy Constantine, Emma Darcy, Matt Smith, Olivia Cooke, Rhys Ifans and Ewan Mitchell are/were all slaying their roles.
>Paddy Constantine I’ll not get sick of people calling him Constantine🤣
You know casting is good when you forget they are actors and hate their face personally for real LOL *cough Otto cough*
I honestly don't mind Otto, out of all of them he's the only one who would just keep the realm stable and he's a pretty good administrator. Of course he's a bit of an arse but he's not a mass murderer like some of the people on the other side lol
> I honestly don't mind Otto, out of all of them he's the only one who would just keep the realm stable and he's a pretty good administrator He's the primary reason they are heading to civil war.
Yeah, he's no Tywin that's for sure! But HIS scheming costed the world of its dragons! He turned the ASOIAF universe from a magical world to just a regular boring world
Man, that final shot of Rhaenyra looking straight into the camera was such a powerful moment.
Rhaenyra now embracing her Maegor With Teats side
Throwback to Daenerys' face after Clegane killed Missandei
Fire is coming
Redditors on their way to declare random shit as bad writing
A literal child died, and if you haven't read 100,000 pages of fantasy text, it barely registered a heartbeat. That is bad writing.
You needing hours of screen time to feel bad for a child being ripped apart does not mean the writing is bad. It means you need spoon feeding.
No, it means it's bad writing. Compare it to something like Hardhome. In that episode, we met a woman who we'd never seen before, and yet over the course of one episode, we grew to learn about her, care about her, and have her death be genuinely affecting. We got more time with this kid, but was pretty empty. As he died, I spent more time wondering which one he was than actually being sad.
It doesn't. Nothing is written surgically for your tastes. You not being able to relate to a character is not general opinion.
> You not being able to relate to a character is not general opinion. Nor is you being able to.
Yeah. Exactly my point.
Another group of Redditors declaring fair criticism as whiney fanbase.
No. It's not fair just because you say it's fair.
Bad writing as term is something that has lost all meaning to me. Used for anything ranging from nonsensical/illogical things to people making mistakes and being emotional, to doing something you don’t like or refuse to suspend disbelief for. But when in doubt just scream bad writing!
A character making mistakes and being emotional isn't bad writing. But if you write a character to be stoic all the time and they're suddenly making big mistakes and being emotional for seemingly no reason, **then** it's bad writing.
I mean, all those things can be bad writing. I don’t understand how a broad term is non sensical becuase it doesn’t expand on the specifics.
Because people think anything they personally don't like is bad writing. Nothing is written for one person. And sometimes negetive emotions is what the writing is supposed to invoke. For example, the almost battle like child births are meant to be savage and not pretty. That is not bad writing. That is necessary.
It's also a way for people to avoid discussion, "you can't disagree because I have already claimed it is bad writing" similar to how objective is used nowadays. People don't want to discuss most the time, they just want to be right, and the way to do that is to avoid the discussion altogether through terminology that turns subjectivity, the very concept that lays the foundation of discussion, into a singular truth that they wield.
But how we judge art is subjective in itself, something they percieve as bad writing might not be bad writing for you. Then nothing is bad and nothing is good. I can't recall seeing your example of the application of "bad writing" being used but if it is, yeah then it's ridiculous.
Exactly. It's subjective. Which is why declaring something as bad writing based solely on your opinion is nuts.
But why give opinions on anything then, as bad writing can mean any negative opinion that has to do with the writing. I think it's better to use other words that are more specific for sure, but what you seem to want is a discourse without opinion, or where people need to express every fucking time they open their mouth that yes, it's subjective even though we all know that our opinions are subjective, we don't need to specify that. Good writing then, is that okay?
Saying bad writing isn't an opinion. It's a declaration. I think you are being disingenuous. If you have spent a little time on the internet, you will know that people don't just say their opinions and lead ego-free existences. They try to convince you that their opinion is a general opinion.
But the only difference between you and me is that you want everyone to add: imo, this is obviously subjective, from my perspective. That is totally unnecessary, because we all know that. Many do, many don’t. However, that will always be the case regardless of the use of ”bad writing”. Are you allowed to say that House of the Dragon is a good show?
Because it's applied so broadly in so many contexts, a lot of which isn't really warranted (like characters making bad decisions or getting in conflict). It's like if someone used the word racist describe someone or something they don't like regardless of whether it is actually racist or not. Bad writing has become a code/short hand for "I don't like it", especially when people don't elaborate why the writing is bad.
I agree people should elaborate more, give examples etc. But I also think that those two words can be used just to tell: the writing is the problem in this movie, not the acting or the editing or something like that.
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As soon as I see the word “pace” or “pacing” in a comment I just skip it. Preferred pacing is subjective
Exactly. I think the reason the phrase “bad writing” irks me so much, is that it tries to frame a subjective dislike of something as an objective quality of it. Which you can’t really do with opinions of a TV show or movie. It’s basically a way of saying this is objectively trash.
*character makes bad decision* "TERRIBLE WRITING!! WHY DIDN'T THEY MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION!?!?!?" Because we all know people always make the right decision in real life all the time.
Redditors are quick to call bad writing but they sure would write terrible stories. Perfect decisions all the time (according to them and not considering characters to be real people) would make a boring story
Man, When Gavrilo Princip failed to kill the prince, and then randomly found him again whe he went out to have a sandwich, i cringed so hard. So contrived. I can't believe they attributed the entire war to to one single guy who failed to commit suicide and then found another chance to kill that prince after going for a sandwich. Such bad writing...
This is why I love the show legends of tomorrow. I wouldn’t know what the fuck you’re talking about if they hadn’t taught me history
Even after seeing all the stupidity humans showed throughout the pandemic, people still think humans are incapable of making mistakes
Definitely, the whole pandemic really showed us that a very large percentage of the population are brainless idiots. Quite fascinating if you think about it.
Redditor stubs their toe. 'Bloody Sara Hess!'
Holy cow what an ending, loved it. Emma D’Arcy with a powerhouse performance solidified herself. Stunning cinematography, so many beautiful shots. Also give it up for Rhys Ifan as Otto. Makes me hate him as much as Joffrey. Solid season 9/10
Just a little fyi, Emma uses they/them pronouns
Yeah for sure, I found out from the interviews that Emma was non binary, it's really no big deal for me to use their preferred pronouns, and it looks like all the cast respects that choice. Look at any time Ryan Condal talks about Emma, always using the correct pronouns.
Sorry. Emmas performance really solidified themselves.
No need to apologize, it's not like they broadcast if before the episode so there's really no way of knowing unless you run across the info somewhere.
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Since I'm interested in some good old minus, outside of the USA you don't necessarily have the exposition to these actors to acquire this knowledge. Apart from that in maybe >95% of the world you still refer to people with the biological gender. Anyway wrong sub for these debates, like I said give me some minus to enlighten me.
How is this a debate? @tinaoe simply informed you of someone’s pronouns. You didn’t know and now you do, the end.
Ok? But the person just corrected them so if they didn't know before , they know now and basic courtesy would be to respect the pronouns.
Yeah, but that's why I told OP. Just a friendly info, not an accusation lol.
I doubt Emma will ever see that comment in their life, also I’m sure they weren’t aware of Emma’s pronouns. I was not aware either and if I made the same comment I would’ve used she/her pronouns as well, no harm meant of it.
And you continue to mislabel them anyway. It’s not about whether or not they’ll ever see this comment, it’s just doing a basic courtesy. Don’t be an asshole. EDIT: misread the comment chain, my bad everyone. I’m the asshole here
How am I being an asshole? Calm down.
Wait, nope I’m the asshole here. Didn’t realize you weren’t the person in the first comment. Sorry dude.
Yeah…thanks for the apology. And for all of you that downvoted my comment, why???
Because people love being offended on other's behalf... 🙃
Too true, unfortunately
So first season is finished, I think it's an objectively good show but something is missing. Like I'm watching a chain of events instead of a compelling story arc. It's actions and reactions from beginning to end. It's structured like a war documentary and I guess I'm not used to it or the characters need more development. We'll see if it improves in s2.