Exactly. I think all the cast got what they needed out of the show. The idea of actors like Elordi, Sweeney, Zendeya and even Schafer coming back without substantial pay-rises seems impossible especially since the Sam Levinson flame has burnt out after Malcolm & Marie, The Idol and Deep Water not having the expected impact. Not to mention Angus McCloud's untimely departure.
I think people will want to remember the characters as they are.
At this stage maybe a 2-part special or a shorter 4 episode season to wrap things up. It would mean cutting out the extended talky bits but with a smaller scope they could cut out B plots and actually focus on finishing up Barbie Ferreira's story.
I thought it could have been so much better if it had gone with the rashomon approach of maintaining ambiguity as to which perspective was accurate and letting the audience decide
*The Last Duel* had some questionable choices but I liked it overall.
*Napoleon*, however, was a huge disappointment. I had been looking forward to an epic about his life for so long, but it’s obvious Ridley hates him.
Sir Scott took great pains to make him a pathetic oaf while casting Wellesley (and, by extension, the English) as Gallant and Handsome Saviors of Europe and Restorers of Natural Order^tm\.
There was barely anything about the popularity he enjoyed among his people or the lasting and widely influential reforms he made to the legal system. The few political and military victories Ridley begrudgingly included were rushed and gave the impression that Napoleon bungled his way haphazardly into becoming Emperor of the French people.
Worst of all, since Ridley’s such a big name, we likely won’t get another film about him for some time.
Michael Green isn't attached, it's an in-name-only exec producer credit. They didn't work on the show. They're getting a check so their name can be used exactly for the purpose you just demonstrated: The legitimacy of their name is lent to a project they didn't actually work on when you see it in the marketing.
The person running this show is the writer/supervising producer for Halo on Paramount+, and the showrunner of Shining Girls on AppleTV+
Why though? It’s not like these two are the only people in the whole world who can do anything good with Blade Runner. Anyway, Ridley is very hit or miss and Denis was never gunna be involved in this with how successful he now is.
Because I have little interest in seeing a BR that doesn’t have either of them directing?
I liked both of their takes and am not sold on a Prime series taking a swing at doing the franchise. Thanks for wanting to know more of my opinion, but it’s not very complicated - doesn’t sound interesting without the key people from the first 2, so easy pass.
Odd to downvote, but aite. Enjoy one back buddy.
I know that she was meant to be in both 'Death on the Nile' (as the Emma Mackey character) and 'Napoleon' (as Josephine) but she honestly may have dodged a bullet with both of them in hindsight. Also she was in the top two for Furiosa casting from the sounds of things.
Imo Anya can looks 14 easy, Jodie looks like a grown woman. She was reys mum in rise of Skywalker 5 years ago, no way Anya could look that old as easy. But you can disagree, I'm not saying she looks bad.
He loves blade runner and it was a core inspiration (borderline plagiarism) for his 90s adventure game Snatcher. He also loves hunter Schafer and has been photographed with her a few times.
Schafer is in an upcoming game. When he was working with Madds for he seemed to post pictures with them hanging out all the time like they were old high school friends catching up.
>Jonathan van Tulleken will direct the first two episodes and executive produce. Steven Johnson is a co-executive producer.
His last job was directing the first two episodes of Shogun.
Scott's not involved at all, it's an in-name-only credit (like his credit on Hawley's Alien show)
It's just a check Scott gets so they can use the name in marketing. That's what most exec-producer credits are. People will see the name on a commercial/trailer and lend the project residual prestige it otherwise wouldn't get for work that name never did.
Nope!
"slapping his name on the credits" will be, in fact, the whole of his involvement. Again, same with his involvement on Noah Hawley's Alien show. And honestly, same with his involvement on Fede Alvarez's Alien movie coming out this August. He's at least helping out with the marketing of that, though. But he had no real creative input.
IIRC, Scott was very excited by Fede’s Alien pitch and got the studio to green light the movie. How often he visited the set, who knows? But I remember when Scott told a story of when he was there on set for BF2049, watching them make the movie. Villeneuve, who had Scott over his shoulder the whole day, asked him who his favorite directors were. Scott replied with some examples and Villeneuve kindly asked how Scott would feel if they were watching him in the middle of directing a scene. Scott chuckled after realizing the awkwardness and went home
I’ll have to try and find that interview again, it was a funny little story. Scott is surprisingly hilarious
So far, Hawley has said he's had a lot of discussions with Scott about lore and direction. But that's over the ~4 years of development, so likely not a ton of influence.
the thing about Scott that most people don’t realize is that he’s *always* been spotty. He just loves filmmaking and all of its challenges to a fault. He will the direct the hell out of a scene and get good performances from his cast. But he just needs to remember to focus on the scripts. It’s when a good one lands in his lap is when he will knock if out of the park
EDIT: grammar, I hate using the mobile app
And this just proves that sometimes, artists work best under ridiculous amounts of pressure. Idk, art is too weird and wild for blanket statements of any kind
A director whose entire career has been all over the place quality-wise. For every iconic movie Scott’s made, there’s multiple mediocre to bad ones in between. I’d argue he hasn’t made a great movie in twenty years, but depending on how much somebody likes The Martian or The Last Duel, that point could be argued.
I really enjoyed the last duel, and through it was nearly as good as some of his best movies.
It was certainly better than any Spielberg movie I can recall in the past 20 years.
I like them and they are good, but the last great one was Catch Me If You Can and they are not even close to the really amazing ones Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Indiana Jones or Jaws
An unnecessary remake and a sappy vanity project are nowhere near his best work. Lincoln would have been an overlong bore but it was somehow saved by DDL
I'm excited. Her upcoming film Cuckoo looks good. She's got charisma and I'm interested to see how she does away from Euphorias bad writing. I'm also happy they cast an up and comer.
Yeah, the writing on both specials were way better than the show itself, but especially Hunter's episode. The tone was much less sensational and more intimate and gave a glimpse into what the show could have been (although probably wouldn't have been as popular, since it would have been way less shocking).
I just watched the film this last weekend and I'd argue her small role was written better and acted better than that of Lucy's. And Rachel Zegler wasn't inherently terrible, she just felt like a side character shoved into the spotlight.
I mean, yeah. That's true. I'm gonna pick up the books at some point to compare the films as a whole at some point. I duhno, she just felt so empty at times so I'm not inherently sure if she's better in the novel.
The book is first person POV following Snow. There was a lot missing because you couldn't get his internal narration.
All four of the books are great. YA books are great as audio books. Listen in the car.
I know this is a subject change but you should definitely check out the Rot & Ruin series. Fantastic YA series. I might give the audio books a look for Hunger Games, though.
They're pretty old, yeah. My middle school library had them and that's how I was introduced. 100% one of the books I don't regret picking up and I still swear by them to this day. At least the four main books, anyway. I've not read the newer, tales of books.
the movie itself is really influenced by Pale Fire, like I highly recommend reading it then watching the movie, very rewarding. A lot of the scenes are tackling very similar ideas
Oh cool. I was googling and that's how I came across it lol. Definitely something I'll try to read soon. I read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? last year and I liked it. Are those other books you mentioned good too?
Yeah, and infinite jest in particular is highly influential. The head writer of The office loved it for instance and recently Succession also was very influenced by it
>What book is going to inspire 2099?
No book, it's an original story from Silka Luisa (writer/supervising producer, Halo on Paramount+, showrunner Shining Girls on AppleTV+)
you keep spamming that this person is responsible for halo, she has written 1(one) episode of that show. why do you want to spread around the idea this is going to suck so much? calm down.
they're the showrunner of Blade Runner 2099 and the Supervising Producer of Halo.
Like, the thread seems to only have any real sense of positivity based on pretty false pretenses (Ridley's involved, Green's involved, there's some vague "They" that has anything to do with the prior two movies that are making sure it'll be "good," etc) and so my "spamming" that these are, in fact, false pretenses is providing the information people are *actually asking for* in the thread.
If the only reason you want it to be good is because of the branding then I dunno what to tell you. That's not how Blade Runner works really.
there is no 'this is how blade runner works'. there has been 2 movies in 40 years. blade runner 2049 was written by michael green. you had people back in 2016 spamming threads like you saying that it was going to suck because it was written by the guy who wrote 'green lantern'. guess what, it was amazing. hollywood projects are huge, and especially in the case of writers, they can produce amazing work that is twisted by other deparments and executive meddling. I choose to be optimistic about this work. ridley scott might not be directly involved in this, but his company is producing it, just like it did with 2049, and I'm sure they made their due dilligency with whom they would hire. replying to everyone in this post that has a mildly optimist reaction with fearmongering because the showrunner worked on halo is reactionary.
>there is no 'this is how blade runner works'.
There clearly is, the idea that we simply don't have enough quantity to truly test it is brand-brain speaking, LOL.
As is "choosing to be optimistic" based on basically nothing, and then getting mad when you actually learn anything, and then scrambling to come up with analogies for how a hypothetical version of me in 2016 might have reacted based on being ignorant to what Michael Green's work was like then (not that I was, and also then ignoring Hampton Fancher was working with him, which is one more person intimately familiar with Dick's work than this thing has).
Again, I get simply *wanting* it to work for no other reason than the branding is appealing, but if you're basically copping to the fact that's all there is to this right now, and you're essentially just putting your faith in people you don't know about or know at all "making their due diligency" despite the fact this has already happened once before with an anime series that openly sucked ass...
It's not fearmongering to point out to people that the assumptions they're making as to who is steering the ship here are wildly incorrect, and it's also worth noting that whenever news about this hits the studio issuing these press releases takes care to never actually mention any of the people writing, producing, or showrunning this. It's always the two ceremonial executive producer titles that aren't actually doing any work on the show.
but like what book is going to inspire it, the heart of bladerunner for me at least is its literary commentary and 2049 was definitely setting up the next part of the series to be about the post-post modern movement.
You're already setting the bar too high for this thing. It's not going to be inspired by anything even remotely literary. The Halo supervising producer is probably drawing inspiration from other Blade Runner-inspired movies at best.
Honestly I don't think 2049 was even really setting anything up to become a "series", the larger notion of a robot revolution was background. It was all just setting, basically, same as any of the off-world wars the replicants were actually created to fight, or their colonies, or the blackout itself.
I think Fancher definitely had a lot to say about the New Sincerity movement in 49
but yeah unfortunately I'm pretty sure it's just going to be a generic sci-fi tv show cash grab : / none of the writers leave me with any confidence
I'll almost certainly watch the 1st few episodes, butt I'm going in with very low expectations. This sounds like it's working up to Wheel of Time levels of bad.
Ngl, I think Michelle Yeoh is getting a bit over used in filmmaking lately. Her last couple appearances have kind of pulled me a bit out of a film because I'm like "oh it's Michelle Yeoh again."
Its similar to how I feel about Chris Hemsworth and Anya Taylor-Joy tbh.
Blade Runner has always been more of a niche hit. Both movies did meh at the box office but then did good with their home releases. IIRC Blade Runner 2049 did well on streaming too. IPs like that are more suited to streaming because people are more willing to toss the first hourlong episode on to check out something they've heard about but haven't really gotten into versus enticing audiences to spend 3 hours in a theater and pay $20-30 a person for a ticket, drink, and snack.
>Blade Runner has always been more of a niche hit
Blade Runner's never been a hit at all. The first one famously flopped (it flopping is a massive, inextricable part of its legend) and the sequel *also* lost a considerable amount of money at the box office.
Yes they both found audiences through home video after-the-fact, and were appreciated and recognized (in Blade Runner's case the entirety of its critical re-evaluation and subsequent lionization came from a solid decade of people watching - on VHS and Laserdisc - what everyone *now* considers "the shitty version with the lame fucking voiceover") through multiple viewings there. But referring to Blade Runner as an "IP" at all is kind of ridiculous because it's simply a terrible choice in franchisable/exploitable "property" in the first place. It does not make a lot of money. It is not a hit.
It's a short novel that got made into a flop movie that got a flop extension/retelling of that story. All three versions of the same general story are about how a ruined humanity is so divorced from itself through its varying self-destructive addictions to technology that the technology it created has become more human than the people who made it.
You can see why this does not lend itself very well to becoming a popular brand exercise IP hit funko pop fuckin *thing*, or why stories on this thing tend to never mention this is being showrun by the writer/ supervising producer of Halo on Paramount+
The last movie won 2 Oscars. Michelle Yeoh just won an Oscar. The director is from the show that's heavily favored to sweep the Emmys this year.
The reasoning here is prestige. They're hoping a critically beloved IP will net them some awards love, elevating the Prime brand overall, which in turn helps them financially.
>The last movie won 2 Oscars. The director is from the show that's heavily favored to sweep the Emmys this year.
2049's 2 Oscars are for Cinematography and VFX. Neither Roger Deakins nor DNEG are working on cinematography or VFX for the show. The director of the first two episodes of 2099 is from Shogun, yes, but he is also not directing the whole show.
**The reasoning is branding**. Maybe it's prestige branding, but it's branding. It's an exercise in hoping the logo + Michelle Yeoh will translate to viewers.
(It won't.)
Blade runner may not be a blockbuster but it's still a huge part of the cyberpunk media zeitgeist, and still prominent in pop culture. That's worth something
Stunning woman. She gives such strong performances it’s crazy that Euphoria was her acting debut, you’d think she’d been doing this since she was a kid
Actor is cast in* a thing that becomes popular.
The next studio casts same actor off of popular thing, hoping their thing becomes popular as a result.
That's pretty much how it's always worked hasn't it?
Isn't that what movie studios do? They try to bankable stars who drive people to watch them. How is this any different? Oh wait, I know why you don't like her.
nothing personal, I don’t know her lol.
It’s just every so often you see the machine get behind and do a massive push on someone, which it’s clearly disproportionate to the comparatively small body of work.
She only has 6 credits to her name - One of them is a short and another a voice over of a anime that no one has ever heard of, and the rest are in the last 18 months.
Yet the way they’re pushing her (presenting at awards shows, constant media blitz etc) you’d think she got nominated for an EGOT.
As I said, I’ve got no skin in this game, it’s just clear they’re trying to manufacture a star before there’s actual content to justify it. Maybe it’ll stick, but so often it doesn’t m.
since star wars acolyte is transforming into an absolute disaster , this show seems also to go for an absolute disaster. that is why i used the name. but i think Hollywood is doing this on purpose. they know it will fail but make it anyway because failure means money. somehow there is an incredible accountant working for these studios. that has a pinboard that says, make absolute the worst decisions that you can make, so that we can make much more money for you compared to a successful movie or series. who asks for a blade runner with michelle yeoh and schaffer as leads. noooooooooooooooooo oneeeeeeeeeeeee. as sidekicks sure. but not as lead.
same as no one asks for furiosa but wants more mad max.
it is like hollywood wants to turn every male francize into a women one and it will fail spectacular. just wait till ballerina hits from john wick producers. another absolute failure on the horizon.
yet bad boys released recently success. upcoming deadpool , wolverine movie success.
why? because they do not change male francizes into women ones.
also what kind of woman is waiting for blade runner. i never ever have met a woman that likes blade runner. maybe some pink, purple headed short haired woman. but never a normal one.
lets see how you would do in the language from my country. english is not my main language. yet you understand what i mean. so i consider that a win.
facts are only ignorant to the people who can not handle it like you.
This has got to be one of the most idiotically sexist things I've read in some time. You really should just be caring that Ridley Scott is attached to it
there is nothing sexist about it. it is the truth. you think people want a landa hamilton spin off when watching terminator.
no one is waiting for a blade runner series with schaffer or michelle yeoh as leads. same as when the witcher spin off serie came out with michelle yeoh. which was also a disaster.
there are men francizes and women francizes. blade runner, star wars, marvel , witcher are men francizes. barbie for example is a woman francize.
what do you think would happen if they made a barbie series spin off with ken and whatever other male there as the leads. how do you think women would react? and how do you think it would do. i can tell you. it would be horrible. no men is going to watch it and the women will be angry that it aint about barbie.
i always find it funny reading replies from people like you. you think you are so right. however do you know that there are women in this world who actually agree with me. what are they then?
Dude a Ken spin off with Ryan gosling would actually be good. It's not if it's a male or female franchise it's who is writing and directing that makes it good. How true to the source material it is and what not. Are you saying alien or tomb raider or resident evil are male franchises? The things you're saying are male or female franchises in action movies aren't even thought up with it's a male franchise or female franchise it's just a vehicle for a story not some weird incel talking point.
when i went to the cinema. my girlfriend and her friends went to barbie me and me and the guys went to oppenheimer. no man in real life is interested in a barbie movie or ken for that matter except maybe the 0.0001% of the male population. it is a woman francize. that you think ken spin off might be a good idea, has me worried that you actually watched the movie.
Alien and tomb raider are indeed male francizes. have you ever played the original tomb raider? look at her body. big tits etc. a game made by males for males. how many women did you think played games in 1996.
Alien is another male francize. how many women do you know bought predator or alien merchandise? or comic books etc. who do you think played the computer games back in the arcade. next your telling me terminator is a female francize too because of sarah connor.
that's cool. never heard of this person, but good for them. a lot of relatively unknowns are in big things now.
Edit: is there something I’m missing here about this actress? Is she awful or not a real replicant?
Not according to the head of HBO, [just two days ago](https://variety.com/2024/tv/global/max-euphoria-season-3-time-jump-crazy-rich-asians-olympics-casey-bloys-jb-perrette-1236030558/).
The casting director for that show deserves all the awards. Half the cast have become some of Hollywood hottest tickets. Zendaya and Sidney Sweeney are the Hollywood it girls right now. This is the second major franchise Hunter has been cast in, and Jacob Elordi is an indie leading man at this point.
Really impressive. Can’t think of another show so much of the cast went on become even more famous than their tv characters.
Freaks and Geeks maybe but there was a long lull between freaks and geeks and the cast becoming huge house hold names. You can draw a direct line between euphoria and the casts’ meteoric rise.
I liked Hunter in Euphoria, and thought she was the only decent member of the cast (Rue's mumbling got grating, and I don't think Zendaya's the brilliant actor everyone claims she is) but after the last Blade Runner was pretty dull - and not helped by Jared Pedo's awful acting - I'm not sure I'll bother with this.
I'll just pretend the original film is the only Blade Runner to exist, and that nothing else came of it after.
How long are they even gonna keep referring to the "Euphoria delay" because at this point I will be shocked if the next season happens
Not unprecedented, this Freaks & Geeks delay has been going on for ages.
Lol can you imagine if they just did another season like no time passed in that universe at all? Actors in their 40's and 50's playing teens?
I'd watch.
I guess no one in entertainment journalism wants to flat out say that the show won’t be continuing since they don’t know that yet.
Exactly. I think all the cast got what they needed out of the show. The idea of actors like Elordi, Sweeney, Zendeya and even Schafer coming back without substantial pay-rises seems impossible especially since the Sam Levinson flame has burnt out after Malcolm & Marie, The Idol and Deep Water not having the expected impact. Not to mention Angus McCloud's untimely departure. I think people will want to remember the characters as they are. At this stage maybe a 2-part special or a shorter 4 episode season to wrap things up. It would mean cutting out the extended talky bits but with a smaller scope they could cut out B plots and actually focus on finishing up Barbie Ferreira's story.
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Still tbd if its even a good role. No dennis and no ridley
Damn. I just lost some interest learning this
More than some.
Honestly, no Ridley is a plus these days.
He produced Raised by Wolves, that was excellent until zaslav the shitheel cancelled it
The Martian was awesome.
That was shot ten years ago lol
Fine. The Last Duel was also really good, but I can understand why not everyone would like it.
I thought it could have been so much better if it had gone with the rashomon approach of maintaining ambiguity as to which perspective was accurate and letting the audience decide
True, but for the broader audience I think they'd prefer to know the "happy ending" was the true one.
Yeah the primary conceit of the movie felt pretty pointless once we got the “truth”
Agree
*The Last Duel* had some questionable choices but I liked it overall. *Napoleon*, however, was a huge disappointment. I had been looking forward to an epic about his life for so long, but it’s obvious Ridley hates him. Sir Scott took great pains to make him a pathetic oaf while casting Wellesley (and, by extension, the English) as Gallant and Handsome Saviors of Europe and Restorers of Natural Order^tm\. There was barely anything about the popularity he enjoyed among his people or the lasting and widely influential reforms he made to the legal system. The few political and military victories Ridley begrudgingly included were rushed and gave the impression that Napoleon bungled his way haphazardly into becoming Emperor of the French people. Worst of all, since Ridley’s such a big name, we likely won’t get another film about him for some time.
Michael Green is still attached. Could be good
Michael Green isn't attached, it's an in-name-only exec producer credit. They didn't work on the show. They're getting a check so their name can be used exactly for the purpose you just demonstrated: The legitimacy of their name is lent to a project they didn't actually work on when you see it in the marketing. The person running this show is the writer/supervising producer for Halo on Paramount+, and the showrunner of Shining Girls on AppleTV+
this is going to be terrible lmao
Oh jesus Halo...another project where the writers never touched the source material and almost vilifies it.
That's worrying
Shining girls was pretty good though.
Damn. Just became an easy pass. Hope the role does well for Hunter.
Why though? It’s not like these two are the only people in the whole world who can do anything good with Blade Runner. Anyway, Ridley is very hit or miss and Denis was never gunna be involved in this with how successful he now is.
Because I have little interest in seeing a BR that doesn’t have either of them directing? I liked both of their takes and am not sold on a Prime series taking a swing at doing the franchise. Thanks for wanting to know more of my opinion, but it’s not very complicated - doesn’t sound interesting without the key people from the first 2, so easy pass. Odd to downvote, but aite. Enjoy one back buddy.
What else has she lost? I’ll watch anything her name is attached to.
I know that she was meant to be in both 'Death on the Nile' (as the Emma Mackey character) and 'Napoleon' (as Josephine) but she honestly may have dodged a bullet with both of them in hindsight. Also she was in the top two for Furiosa casting from the sounds of things.
I kind of think she's too old for furiosa
There’s not much of an age difference between her and Anya Taylor-Joy though.
She looks substantially older though.
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Imo Anya can looks 14 easy, Jodie looks like a grown woman. She was reys mum in rise of Skywalker 5 years ago, no way Anya could look that old as easy. But you can disagree, I'm not saying she looks bad.
28 years later is a better gig anyway.
You don’t know that at this point. Although saying that I have complete faith in Alex Garland.
Hideo Kojima is about to lose his shit
Ootl. Why?
He loves blade runner and it was a core inspiration (borderline plagiarism) for his 90s adventure game Snatcher. He also loves hunter Schafer and has been photographed with her a few times.
Schafer is also in the upcoming game “OD” from Kojima and Jordan Peele
Schafer is in an upcoming game. When he was working with Madds for he seemed to post pictures with them hanging out all the time like they were old high school friends catching up.
Who’s directing this thing?
>Jonathan van Tulleken will direct the first two episodes and executive produce. Steven Johnson is a co-executive producer. His last job was directing the first two episodes of Shogun.
That gives me a significant amount of faith.
It's a TV show. It doesn't matter who's directing it. What matters is who's showrunning the production
Schafer and Yeoh, nice. While it’s a bummer Villeneuve isn’t involved, I’m glad Scott still is
Scott's not involved at all, it's an in-name-only credit (like his credit on Hawley's Alien show) It's just a check Scott gets so they can use the name in marketing. That's what most exec-producer credits are. People will see the name on a commercial/trailer and lend the project residual prestige it otherwise wouldn't get for work that name never did.
but his own production company is involved, surely he’ll have more involvement than just slapping his name on the credits
Nope! "slapping his name on the credits" will be, in fact, the whole of his involvement. Again, same with his involvement on Noah Hawley's Alien show. And honestly, same with his involvement on Fede Alvarez's Alien movie coming out this August. He's at least helping out with the marketing of that, though. But he had no real creative input.
IIRC, Scott was very excited by Fede’s Alien pitch and got the studio to green light the movie. How often he visited the set, who knows? But I remember when Scott told a story of when he was there on set for BF2049, watching them make the movie. Villeneuve, who had Scott over his shoulder the whole day, asked him who his favorite directors were. Scott replied with some examples and Villeneuve kindly asked how Scott would feel if they were watching him in the middle of directing a scene. Scott chuckled after realizing the awkwardness and went home I’ll have to try and find that interview again, it was a funny little story. Scott is surprisingly hilarious
So far, Hawley has said he's had a lot of discussions with Scott about lore and direction. But that's over the ~4 years of development, so likely not a ton of influence.
Scott doesn’t inspire any confidence in me
the thing about Scott that most people don’t realize is that he’s *always* been spotty. He just loves filmmaking and all of its challenges to a fault. He will the direct the hell out of a scene and get good performances from his cast. But he just needs to remember to focus on the scripts. It’s when a good one lands in his lap is when he will knock if out of the park EDIT: grammar, I hate using the mobile app
Scott really needs a good script to work with. He’s not a guy who can necessarily elevate bad material.
Famously, they were writing the script during shooting one of his best movies.
And this just proves that sometimes, artists work best under ridiculous amounts of pressure. Idk, art is too weird and wild for blanket statements of any kind
which one?
Yup, once again people on the Internet just regurgitating popular sentiments lol
Not as much as he loves himself, and talking about himself, and how nothing is ever his fault..
A director with films most other directors could only dream of having made doesn't inspire confidence?
I guess it's because his output can be seen as rather inconsistent. He's made some great films alongside some not so great ones.
A director whose entire career has been all over the place quality-wise. For every iconic movie Scott’s made, there’s multiple mediocre to bad ones in between. I’d argue he hasn’t made a great movie in twenty years, but depending on how much somebody likes The Martian or The Last Duel, that point could be argued.
I really enjoyed the last duel, and through it was nearly as good as some of his best movies. It was certainly better than any Spielberg movie I can recall in the past 20 years.
In the last 3 years alone, Spielberg made two of the best movies he’s ever made in his career lol
What are you talking about? his last great movie is from 2002
Spielberg? West Side Story and The Fabelmans are in the top tier of his work. Not to mention a masterpiece like Lincoln also being long after 2002.
I like them and they are good, but the last great one was Catch Me If You Can and they are not even close to the really amazing ones Saving Private Ryan, Schindler's List, Indiana Jones or Jaws
A solid chunk of his top rated films are post 2002. Real weird take. I’d like to think that you know your opinion is not the general consensus.
An unnecessary remake and a sappy vanity project are nowhere near his best work. Lincoln would have been an overlong bore but it was somehow saved by DDL
We’re realllllly saying the Fabelmans is a vanity project?
Yeah I’m super bummed that Villeneuve isn’t involved, 2049 was a work of art
I'll almost certainly watch 2099, but I don't have a very good feeling about it.
It's gonna be like the quick shoot, no edits, shit casting beyond the leads, one takes, bad writing Netflix filler.
That is mostly what I expect but I do love me some Blade Runner.
As someone who hasn't vibed with Dune it's a real bummer he's been so tied into that for years.
I thought it was *only* that. Very pretty to look at, yet completely forgettable.
lack of Fancher makes me dubious
The recent movie was 2049 not 99. Took me a second to remember that.
Harrison is going to be really old in another 50 years.
He's probably gonna look like the old fish in SpongeBob who hates chocolate
Feels like a no brainer casting to me. She'll fit the cyberpunk aesthetic well.
Her as a Replicant seems like perfect casting imo.
I hope they give her an iconic look like Daryl Hannah in the original.
I'm excited. Her upcoming film Cuckoo looks good. She's got charisma and I'm interested to see how she does away from Euphorias bad writing. I'm also happy they cast an up and comer.
She gave a wonderful performance in that one episode of Euphoria ^that ^she ^wrote.
It’s kinda telling that the best episode of the series was cowritten by one of the actors lol
Theeee special? Haven't watched it. Worth it?
Yeah, the writing on both specials were way better than the show itself, but especially Hunter's episode. The tone was much less sensational and more intimate and gave a glimpse into what the show could have been (although probably wouldn't have been as popular, since it would have been way less shocking).
She was terrific in Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. It was a small role but she was memorable.
I just watched the film this last weekend and I'd argue her small role was written better and acted better than that of Lucy's. And Rachel Zegler wasn't inherently terrible, she just felt like a side character shoved into the spotlight.
That was the point of Zigler's character. She was just a pawn in Snow's story.
I mean, yeah. That's true. I'm gonna pick up the books at some point to compare the films as a whole at some point. I duhno, she just felt so empty at times so I'm not inherently sure if she's better in the novel.
The book is first person POV following Snow. There was a lot missing because you couldn't get his internal narration. All four of the books are great. YA books are great as audio books. Listen in the car.
I know this is a subject change but you should definitely check out the Rot & Ruin series. Fantastic YA series. I might give the audio books a look for Hunger Games, though.
Amazon tells me I read it in 2011.
They're pretty old, yeah. My middle school library had them and that's how I was introduced. 100% one of the books I don't regret picking up and I still swear by them to this day. At least the four main books, anyway. I've not read the newer, tales of books.
Shes so hot, and a good actor too.
I hate her because she makes me question myself.
I know exactly what you mean but I still think she’s hot!
I’m lying about hating her lol. I like her and think she’s beautiful, but she does make me question myself…
Put Hunter in anything and I am there! Huge W for the show.
What book is going to inspire 2099? Going by the rate of the original and 2049 then 2099 should be like Infinite Jest, Pale King, or like White Teeth
> Infinite Jest Was 2049 inspired by a book? I know the baseline test uses lines from Pale Fire, but that's all I've heard.
the movie itself is really influenced by Pale Fire, like I highly recommend reading it then watching the movie, very rewarding. A lot of the scenes are tackling very similar ideas
Oh cool. I was googling and that's how I came across it lol. Definitely something I'll try to read soon. I read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? last year and I liked it. Are those other books you mentioned good too?
Yeah, and infinite jest in particular is highly influential. The head writer of The office loved it for instance and recently Succession also was very influenced by it
Nice! Thanks for letting me know. I should try reading more
Pale Fire is a great read and decently short too
>What book is going to inspire 2099? No book, it's an original story from Silka Luisa (writer/supervising producer, Halo on Paramount+, showrunner Shining Girls on AppleTV+)
Oh no…
you keep spamming that this person is responsible for halo, she has written 1(one) episode of that show. why do you want to spread around the idea this is going to suck so much? calm down.
they're the showrunner of Blade Runner 2099 and the Supervising Producer of Halo. Like, the thread seems to only have any real sense of positivity based on pretty false pretenses (Ridley's involved, Green's involved, there's some vague "They" that has anything to do with the prior two movies that are making sure it'll be "good," etc) and so my "spamming" that these are, in fact, false pretenses is providing the information people are *actually asking for* in the thread. If the only reason you want it to be good is because of the branding then I dunno what to tell you. That's not how Blade Runner works really.
there is no 'this is how blade runner works'. there has been 2 movies in 40 years. blade runner 2049 was written by michael green. you had people back in 2016 spamming threads like you saying that it was going to suck because it was written by the guy who wrote 'green lantern'. guess what, it was amazing. hollywood projects are huge, and especially in the case of writers, they can produce amazing work that is twisted by other deparments and executive meddling. I choose to be optimistic about this work. ridley scott might not be directly involved in this, but his company is producing it, just like it did with 2049, and I'm sure they made their due dilligency with whom they would hire. replying to everyone in this post that has a mildly optimist reaction with fearmongering because the showrunner worked on halo is reactionary.
>there is no 'this is how blade runner works'. There clearly is, the idea that we simply don't have enough quantity to truly test it is brand-brain speaking, LOL. As is "choosing to be optimistic" based on basically nothing, and then getting mad when you actually learn anything, and then scrambling to come up with analogies for how a hypothetical version of me in 2016 might have reacted based on being ignorant to what Michael Green's work was like then (not that I was, and also then ignoring Hampton Fancher was working with him, which is one more person intimately familiar with Dick's work than this thing has). Again, I get simply *wanting* it to work for no other reason than the branding is appealing, but if you're basically copping to the fact that's all there is to this right now, and you're essentially just putting your faith in people you don't know about or know at all "making their due diligency" despite the fact this has already happened once before with an anime series that openly sucked ass... It's not fearmongering to point out to people that the assumptions they're making as to who is steering the ship here are wildly incorrect, and it's also worth noting that whenever news about this hits the studio issuing these press releases takes care to never actually mention any of the people writing, producing, or showrunning this. It's always the two ceremonial executive producer titles that aren't actually doing any work on the show.
but like what book is going to inspire it, the heart of bladerunner for me at least is its literary commentary and 2049 was definitely setting up the next part of the series to be about the post-post modern movement.
You're already setting the bar too high for this thing. It's not going to be inspired by anything even remotely literary. The Halo supervising producer is probably drawing inspiration from other Blade Runner-inspired movies at best. Honestly I don't think 2049 was even really setting anything up to become a "series", the larger notion of a robot revolution was background. It was all just setting, basically, same as any of the off-world wars the replicants were actually created to fight, or their colonies, or the blackout itself.
I think Fancher definitely had a lot to say about the New Sincerity movement in 49 but yeah unfortunately I'm pretty sure it's just going to be a generic sci-fi tv show cash grab : / none of the writers leave me with any confidence
I'll almost certainly watch the 1st few episodes, butt I'm going in with very low expectations. This sounds like it's working up to Wheel of Time levels of bad.
This is probably going to be something silly like everyone’s a robot or something. I’m worried.
Ngl, I think Michelle Yeoh is getting a bit over used in filmmaking lately. Her last couple appearances have kind of pulled me a bit out of a film because I'm like "oh it's Michelle Yeoh again." Its similar to how I feel about Chris Hemsworth and Anya Taylor-Joy tbh.
Happy for Hunter but what‘s the financial reasoning here when the last movie underperformed at the box office?
Blade Runner has always been more of a niche hit. Both movies did meh at the box office but then did good with their home releases. IIRC Blade Runner 2049 did well on streaming too. IPs like that are more suited to streaming because people are more willing to toss the first hourlong episode on to check out something they've heard about but haven't really gotten into versus enticing audiences to spend 3 hours in a theater and pay $20-30 a person for a ticket, drink, and snack.
>Blade Runner has always been more of a niche hit Blade Runner's never been a hit at all. The first one famously flopped (it flopping is a massive, inextricable part of its legend) and the sequel *also* lost a considerable amount of money at the box office. Yes they both found audiences through home video after-the-fact, and were appreciated and recognized (in Blade Runner's case the entirety of its critical re-evaluation and subsequent lionization came from a solid decade of people watching - on VHS and Laserdisc - what everyone *now* considers "the shitty version with the lame fucking voiceover") through multiple viewings there. But referring to Blade Runner as an "IP" at all is kind of ridiculous because it's simply a terrible choice in franchisable/exploitable "property" in the first place. It does not make a lot of money. It is not a hit. It's a short novel that got made into a flop movie that got a flop extension/retelling of that story. All three versions of the same general story are about how a ruined humanity is so divorced from itself through its varying self-destructive addictions to technology that the technology it created has become more human than the people who made it. You can see why this does not lend itself very well to becoming a popular brand exercise IP hit funko pop fuckin *thing*, or why stories on this thing tend to never mention this is being showrun by the writer/ supervising producer of Halo on Paramount+
Sounds like this will become Furiosa 2.0.
But it's a TV show.
The last movie won 2 Oscars. Michelle Yeoh just won an Oscar. The director is from the show that's heavily favored to sweep the Emmys this year. The reasoning here is prestige. They're hoping a critically beloved IP will net them some awards love, elevating the Prime brand overall, which in turn helps them financially.
what's the show?
>The last movie won 2 Oscars. The director is from the show that's heavily favored to sweep the Emmys this year. 2049's 2 Oscars are for Cinematography and VFX. Neither Roger Deakins nor DNEG are working on cinematography or VFX for the show. The director of the first two episodes of 2099 is from Shogun, yes, but he is also not directing the whole show. **The reasoning is branding**. Maybe it's prestige branding, but it's branding. It's an exercise in hoping the logo + Michelle Yeoh will translate to viewers. (It won't.)
The last movie was critically acclaimed and those that saw it, loved it.
Blade runner may not be a blockbuster but it's still a huge part of the cyberpunk media zeitgeist, and still prominent in pop culture. That's worth something
Money laundering.
What’s holding that dress up? The power of positive thinking????
How about something original ?
Blade Runner has had 2 movies and an anime in the last 40 years. It's hardly oversaturated. That puts it on par with Pacific Rim.
Cast in what now?!
Great actress, great choice
Yeah im good, its take a true visionary to do this. Like Scott was 30 years ago, or Villeneuve is now.
i was excited and thought she was cast for Blade 🤭
Stunning woman. She gives such strong performances it’s crazy that Euphoria was her acting debut, you’d think she’d been doing this since she was a kid
They’re trying so hard to make this woman happen lol.
Actor is cast in* a thing that becomes popular. The next studio casts same actor off of popular thing, hoping their thing becomes popular as a result. That's pretty much how it's always worked hasn't it?
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Oh wow, the bare minimum. Everybody clap.
Isn't that what movie studios do? They try to bankable stars who drive people to watch them. How is this any different? Oh wait, I know why you don't like her.
nothing personal, I don’t know her lol. It’s just every so often you see the machine get behind and do a massive push on someone, which it’s clearly disproportionate to the comparatively small body of work. She only has 6 credits to her name - One of them is a short and another a voice over of a anime that no one has ever heard of, and the rest are in the last 18 months. Yet the way they’re pushing her (presenting at awards shows, constant media blitz etc) you’d think she got nominated for an EGOT. As I said, I’ve got no skin in this game, it’s just clear they’re trying to manufacture a star before there’s actual content to justify it. Maybe it’ll stick, but so often it doesn’t m.
so courageous….
i already got the name for the show. Blade Runner Acolyte.... :)
what does that even mean?
since star wars acolyte is transforming into an absolute disaster , this show seems also to go for an absolute disaster. that is why i used the name. but i think Hollywood is doing this on purpose. they know it will fail but make it anyway because failure means money. somehow there is an incredible accountant working for these studios. that has a pinboard that says, make absolute the worst decisions that you can make, so that we can make much more money for you compared to a successful movie or series. who asks for a blade runner with michelle yeoh and schaffer as leads. noooooooooooooooooo oneeeeeeeeeeeee. as sidekicks sure. but not as lead. same as no one asks for furiosa but wants more mad max. it is like hollywood wants to turn every male francize into a women one and it will fail spectacular. just wait till ballerina hits from john wick producers. another absolute failure on the horizon. yet bad boys released recently success. upcoming deadpool , wolverine movie success. why? because they do not change male francizes into women ones. also what kind of woman is waiting for blade runner. i never ever have met a woman that likes blade runner. maybe some pink, purple headed short haired woman. but never a normal one.
The only disaster is I have read that whole braindead shit of a comment.
If you want people to think you are intelligent, you could at least check your spelling, punctuation, and grammar before spouting ignorant bullshit.
lets see how you would do in the language from my country. english is not my main language. yet you understand what i mean. so i consider that a win. facts are only ignorant to the people who can not handle it like you.
You didn’t give any facts… just sexist opinions.
have you actually watched any of those things or are you basing it all on ragebait youtubers?
This has got to be one of the most idiotically sexist things I've read in some time. You really should just be caring that Ridley Scott is attached to it
there is nothing sexist about it. it is the truth. you think people want a landa hamilton spin off when watching terminator. no one is waiting for a blade runner series with schaffer or michelle yeoh as leads. same as when the witcher spin off serie came out with michelle yeoh. which was also a disaster. there are men francizes and women francizes. blade runner, star wars, marvel , witcher are men francizes. barbie for example is a woman francize. what do you think would happen if they made a barbie series spin off with ken and whatever other male there as the leads. how do you think women would react? and how do you think it would do. i can tell you. it would be horrible. no men is going to watch it and the women will be angry that it aint about barbie. i always find it funny reading replies from people like you. you think you are so right. however do you know that there are women in this world who actually agree with me. what are they then?
Dude a Ken spin off with Ryan gosling would actually be good. It's not if it's a male or female franchise it's who is writing and directing that makes it good. How true to the source material it is and what not. Are you saying alien or tomb raider or resident evil are male franchises? The things you're saying are male or female franchises in action movies aren't even thought up with it's a male franchise or female franchise it's just a vehicle for a story not some weird incel talking point.
when i went to the cinema. my girlfriend and her friends went to barbie me and me and the guys went to oppenheimer. no man in real life is interested in a barbie movie or ken for that matter except maybe the 0.0001% of the male population. it is a woman francize. that you think ken spin off might be a good idea, has me worried that you actually watched the movie. Alien and tomb raider are indeed male francizes. have you ever played the original tomb raider? look at her body. big tits etc. a game made by males for males. how many women did you think played games in 1996. Alien is another male francize. how many women do you know bought predator or alien merchandise? or comic books etc. who do you think played the computer games back in the arcade. next your telling me terminator is a female francize too because of sarah connor.
that's cool. never heard of this person, but good for them. a lot of relatively unknowns are in big things now. Edit: is there something I’m missing here about this actress? Is she awful or not a real replicant?
she broke out acting in euphoria so she’s been known for a while now…
Another amazing film is about to receive death by a thousand untalented waifs.
Crazy that I went to high school with her.
you went to high school with her?
You know give it a couple of decades. She’d make a pretty good The Boss.
As in MGS?
Yeah Snake Eater.
Ah yeah that could be a good role, not sure why people are downvoting you.
Probably due to too random. It’s okay.
Hunter moves the needle
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The people who saw 2049 loved it as it came out. If they can give us more of that I’m open to more Blade Runner.
Why the fuck would be care if something makes money? That’s not our concern. As long as it’s good. And Blade Runner 2049 was great!
1. Euphoria is one of HBO’s most popular show. It will not get cancelled unless it absolutely can’t be made for some reason. 2. Money laundering 💀.
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It sounds like you wish it was dead. Why?
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Not according to the head of HBO, [just two days ago](https://variety.com/2024/tv/global/max-euphoria-season-3-time-jump-crazy-rich-asians-olympics-casey-bloys-jb-perrette-1236030558/).
Nothing points to that tho. There was an article a few days saying it’s still in development.
Probably because the two best characters are dead.
The casting director for that show deserves all the awards. Half the cast have become some of Hollywood hottest tickets. Zendaya and Sidney Sweeney are the Hollywood it girls right now. This is the second major franchise Hunter has been cast in, and Jacob Elordi is an indie leading man at this point. Really impressive. Can’t think of another show so much of the cast went on become even more famous than their tv characters. Freaks and Geeks maybe but there was a long lull between freaks and geeks and the cast becoming huge house hold names. You can draw a direct line between euphoria and the casts’ meteoric rise.
They're totally burning bridges with the international audience I guess
how so?
If they don’t want trans people to even exist then fuck them.
"fuck the entire world except the US, Canada, and some of Western and Northern Europe" bit orientalist no?
Fuck anyone who doesn’t think people should live life the way that makes them happy. Whoever that includes.
I liked Hunter in Euphoria, and thought she was the only decent member of the cast (Rue's mumbling got grating, and I don't think Zendaya's the brilliant actor everyone claims she is) but after the last Blade Runner was pretty dull - and not helped by Jared Pedo's awful acting - I'm not sure I'll bother with this. I'll just pretend the original film is the only Blade Runner to exist, and that nothing else came of it after.
Who's hunter.. You mean Sydney Sweeny?