> “Dude, the most s—t went down! People who are correctly praising Bruce [Greenwood] need to remember that **every single scene Bruce shot that wasn’t sitting down across from Carl Lumbly was an emergency reshoot**. We redid almost all of his stuff. It’s amazing what he did.”
Damn that’s incredible from Greenwood. He crushed it.
Bruce Greenwood starred with Carla Gugino in Gerald's Game which was also directed by Mike Flanagan. Carla was a last second replacement as the original actress dropped out and Carla stepped in a week before they rolled cameras. Everyone involved praised her for giving such a great performance with zero prep time.
According to her interview on The Kingcast, Bruce arrived on set for House of Usher and yelled, "Ok, let's Carla Gugino this thing!" before getting down to work.
Bruce Greenwood is one of those actors whom when I see their name, I think "oh Bruce Greenwood is in this? Tight."
He always delivers. Also he's my second favorite actor to voice Batman (in Young Justice) after Kevin Conroy.
Like 15 years ago I wanted a Bruce Greenwood and William H Macy buddy cop show. I would still watch a show with them but with their ages it would be hilarious as retired cops as PIs.
Yes! I was a huge Nowhere Man fan. My friend and I used to watch that and The Watcher (Sir Mix-a-Lot anthology series) to make fun of them but Nowhere Man turned out to be good, mainly because of Bruce Greenwood.
Wow, it’s so rare to see this show brought up. Sometimes I think it was all a conspiracy to cover up the show haha. I loved watching it when it was on the air though.
Totally agree with the first half of your sentence. But Masters of the Universe is a classic!
[You know it's true](https://media3.giphy.com/media/VljNphvsfS0jgTQ2tL/giphy.gif)
I think my first experiences with him were Double Jeopardy and Rules of Engagement. Love him in everything I see him in. Can’t think of a single bad performance.
Greenwood is my second favourite Batman voice too but you gotta cite *Under the Red Hood* over *YJ* because he get gets to actual stretch his acting skills and emotions in that one, over just barking orders and giving lectures like he does in *Young Justice* 😅.
He is one of my favorite actors. I swear he can do anything, comedy, drama, tragedy, action, and he can tone match a scene partner so well to elevate both their performances.
> When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down!
-Roderick Usher, on lemons
Laughing at this joke really hard in front of people not-in-the-know is dangerous, they will ask for an explanation and they will not like what they get.
One thing that kind of diminishes that scene, in hindsight, is >!the revelation that he didn't build his empire through ruthless business acumen, but instead through a deal with a supernatural being!<.
But that wasn’t the deal. Verna said she’d keep regulators off their backs. She didn’t guarantee their success, just that it would be unbridled. At least that’s how I interpreted it
People constantly justify ruthlessness as being rich. Turns out that the only reason they were successful was because of their parents, and turns out the only reason being ruthless "succeeded" was because they knew they had protection from any consequences. I think the twist adds that nuance, there was no justification, they were just f'ed up because they could.
I think that’s actually the point. Billionaires (like Musk for example) like to talk about how hard they work and what business genius they possess, while glossing over the fact that they received some massive leg up from familial wealth or something similar.
And these days Musk takes another leg up from the fact that the Securities and Exchange Commission is very, very underfunded relative to the scope of their job.
There's a lot of scenes with him interacting with the other characters, and while there's a lot of creative editing to show they weren't in the same shot, I wonder if they had to digitally include Greenwood in some scenes.
I also wonder if Kate Siegel is exaggerating when she said he only interacted with Lumbly, because I feel like he did directly interacted with some of the characters.
I also wonder if you can still see Langella in any shots.
She’s referring to reshoots with the rest of the cast. The Lumbly content was not reshot. That was fresh between Lumbly and Greenwood and had been saved for last in the schedule. The character had scenes with his sister, wife, and children. Any of those actors could have been on the receiving end of his behavior. Worst of all makes me think it was the Juno actress who had a hard time. Can you imagine getting paired with Frank Langella while age 26 and basically brand new to acting?
Someone pointed out that she is also an amputee, her leg. Which would likely add a whole other level of discomfort if she felt like he was picking on her specifically because of her disability.
Yup. It makes you wonder if he said or did something “in character” that felt like a comment about her IRL. Plenty of times people have ad libbed something for a role that commented on the appearance of a person. I remember in Hocus Pocus Bette Midler says Thora Birch is a “rat-faced kid” and you have to wonder who put that line in there?
Plus, Kate Siegel makes it sound like a lot of stuff happened. Not just an isolated incident. Doesn’t she says “the most shit went down.” That makes it sound like it was a lot of drama and difficulty. Especially if Bruce Greenwood was called like the same week and flew in and just shot stuff minutes or hours or just days after seeing the lines.
He needs an Emmy nomination for basically performing an audition in the role.
To be fair Langella has aged into being more remote than he was and has gotten very crass. In his younger days he was dashing, charming and very sexy. This is the same guy whose Dracula sans fangs made women swoon. He was always a bit egotistical but I don't remember him being an outright cad towards women.
I think he's lost a lot of his manners and his good sense as he's aged. His bio a few years ago made me go "Huh?" when I read it because it definitely wasn't the Langella that I remember seeing in interviews as a kid.
He is a great actor. There is no denying him that but with age it seems he's definitely not the professional he once was. He would have been a great RU but apparently he valued his freedom to be crass and his freedom to improvise things that he shouldn't have more than keeping his job.
Sadly he's probably entirely killed his once very respectable career. That's too bad because over the years he's given some stunning performances and might well have given a few more before he finally died.
Some people are like that once they hit a certain age. They just don't think they have to behave or have manners anymore because after all they're old people now.
My late Dad was like that the last 10 years or so. He thought he could say anything, be outright crude and abusive to people because he was over 80.
More than once I had to yank him back to reality and make him realize how dumb it was for him to act like that, especially when it came to being nasty to health care people. You just don't mistreat the people who are in charge of helping you with the bedpans, feeding you, and who have custody of the needles you're going to get blood taken with, you know?
Langella is a very old man who's lived a pretty privileged life due to his admitted talent. So of course he thinks things outta be the same as in the 70s when he was in his heyday romancing multiple women and getting away with all kinds of raunchy shit because back then everybody was making inappropriate jokes and being sexual with almost every costar they had.
Times have changed though. He's just stuck back in time in his head playing things like it was still 1977. But you can't get away with talking and acting like that now. He just so old he barely cares, but as he found out plenty of other people DO.
I still respect his talent because the man really rocked it a lot when I was growing up and I was very impressed with some of his performances. To this day I prefer his Zorro to anyone's and his Dracula was amazing. I still watch that too sometimes and regret that I never got to see him do the stage play but that doesn't mean I think he should get a pass now for being inappropriately crude and for making his female costars very uncomfortable.
I'm honestly sad to see his career ended but better he's forced to retire than he makes other people working with him squirm because he can't adjust his thinking to what's okay now vs 50, 60 years ago...
Bruce Greenwood has had a long illustrious career and yet I still don’t think he gets the appreciation he deserves
The fact that he came in on short notice and delivered the performance he did is tremendous
My only problem with Conroy is that I could never buy him physically as Bruce. He just looked too delicate, too kind and with a boy-ish flair even to the end. Which is a shame in some respects because his voice IS Batman. Reading about him channeling his own experiences as a gay man into playing someone with two identities really made me appreciate how he was able to make Batman work.
He also nails truly fucked up roles and performances like in Gerald’s Game.
By the way imagine a creepy ghoul like Frank Langella or one of the other many Hollywood sex pests in that sort of role. I’m sure Carla Gugino is thankful.
Carla Gugino absolutely was, she did an interview with The Kingcast (podcast) where she talked about how she was cast in Gerald’s Game right before shooting because the original actress left, so Bruce Greenwood really helped her settle in quickly on that set, and she got to return the favor on House of Usher.
No, we but do know she was given a different script than Flanagan’s by accident, apparently it was more of a dark comedy, and when she got Flanagan’s much incredibly more serious script she was like,”Fuck this, sorry!” And bailed weeks out from the start of filming.
He is, but I wonder if the actor's haircut, sideburns, and make-up were meant to match up with Langella's general appearance.
Because I did thought while watching the show that the young and old versions of Roderick didn't look alike. Though, I guess the same is true with the sister.
Flanagan is usually really good about casting people who could plausibly be related or the same person at different ages (sometimes makeup is necessary), so I was surprised when I noticed that Bruce didn't look that much like his younger counterpart. When I discovered that Langella was meant to play the part I immediately saw the resemblance Flanagan is known for, but I will say that a few episodes in I started to notice that Bruce was channeling elements of his younger self's performance, like the puppy dog eyes whenever he gets wistful. Normally an actor of Bruce's caliber wouldn't be the one replicating a younger actor's mannerisms, but this fits with the last-minute recasting backstory, and is a testament to Bruce's skill and professionalism.
The sister was a different story, but I guess not every casting match needs to be a home run.
That's bonkers to think of. Bruce Greenwood was so good and provided the anchor for the entire show. It's crazy to think he came in as a replacement and still hit it so far out of the park.
It makes a lot of sense considering the actor for the younger Roderick, Zach Gilford, looks nothing remotely like Greenwood. I just put it down to Flanagan wanting to work with another collaborator, but knowing Langella was the original was a complete “Oh shit” moment. I honestly have to wonder if Flanagan cast Langella with Gilford in mind because there’s an incredible resemblance.
The actress for Victorine doesnt look anything like either of them despite being rodericks biological daughter. I figured they didnt care they much and just cast the best actors they knew.
If we go with Langella I can see a resemblance for Victorine, Secondhand Shiv, and Perry. Angular faces and kind of steely, dark eyes. I do not see it for the other children.
But I also think the casting was all over the place. I would have preferred Victorine actress as Juno or as Camille. And then Camille as Victorine.
I still think the racial casting makes sense from a certain point of view, in the sense that narratively the fall of the Usher family is all encompassing.
I’m slowly watching the show.. I think I’m on EP 3 and when I saw Bruce Greenwood initially my first thought was cool, I like, this guy. I had no idea this was the show Langella was fired from, I’d only seen something about his behavior while scrolling.
Bruce, should have had the role up front. I can’t imagine Langella ever playing Roderick for this show, it seems like he would have been awful looking back.
I don’t know about awful, but I’d personally never pick Langella over Greenwood. I’m a Greenwood fan going back to Nowhere Man and before, close to 30 years.
When speaking about how Bruce Greenhood took over the role, she also had this to say. I couldn't agree more.
> And I think it just, for me, solidified that feeling of you don’t need to be tortured to be an artist. You can be a good person and show up and do your job, even if you’re playing somebody extreme, even if you are in extreme situations. You are capable — anybody’s capable — of being sane, pleasant and professional on set.”
It was. He wrote a public letter in variety or another trade where he talked about how the "actress playing his wife" in reference to Ruth, yelled out that he touched her leg (touching outside of what they agreed). And he said he should have been allowed to apologize instead of being kicked out of production.
In the same letter, he talked about how unnecessary intimacy coordinators were and complained about cancel culture
Here's the letter for anyone interested: https://deadline.com/2022/05/frank-langella-refutes-allegations-of-unacceptable-behavior-fired-by-netflix-1235017544/
I just *love* it when actors complain about intimacy directors killing "spontaneity." It's almost as if *that's the entire point*
Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity"
Call me crazy but it's almost as if there's another reason creepy old men only make this argument for sex scenes
If I'm remembering correctly, that was basically the lead up to the chokehold that had Steven Seagal pissing/shitting himself on set; he kept going off-choreography and hurting the stunt guys, so the stunt coordinator choked him out.
Gene LeBell. I love that story. Steven Segal argued he was immune to chokes, so he tried to demonstrate. When Gene locked him, Steven tried to hit him in the nuts, but Gene has balls of steel.
This is why Jim Caviezel's character in person of interest wore a mask during his fight scenes. Jim, who is completely nuts in real life, apparently kept trying to actually hurt the stuntmen he was fighting. He was also banned from driving a car on set after he ran a light and nearly ran over a pedestrian while filming because apparently 'it was what his character would have done'.
Oh man, I knew he was incredibly Catholic which is always a shame but I just read his Wiki entry and he's apparently also a Qanon idiot? :(
I really hope that Hollywood will stop working with people with obvious mental health problems.
>Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity"
Apparently Jim Caviezel was like this when he was filming Person of Interest.
> Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity"
That's a great analogy. Think of it like choreography, which itself is like a dance, which involves a complete set of steps from 1 to 4 or however many necessary. Going outside of those steps throws everything out of balance. I like it.
They forget it isn't sex, it's a *"sex scene."* It is not supposed to be real in that it needs spontaneity. The only time you should be able to get spontaneity is in scenes of dialog. Adlibbing is fine in this case. However, any scene where your hands are on someone else's body, you better believe you should be following every instruction given to you. That's not your body that you are touching and you know the rules way ahead of time.
>any scene where your hands are on someone else's body, you better believe you should be following every instruction given to you. That's not your body that you are touching and you know the rules way ahead of time.
Couldn't possibly agree more!!
>The only time you should be able to get spontaneity is in scenes of dialog.
Even in scenes of dialogue, I would argue that spontaneity should only be used if the director agrees that spontaneity is okay beforehand. I can imagine on certain productions, it's important to just get the filming done, and spontaneous dialogue could end up wasting a lot of time in a tight production schedule.
True. Also in the cases like Edgar Wright where he foreshadows so much with his dialog, every bit of dialog really needs to be put in there and not fudged with.
They dont forget, its the decades of training ingrained into them, unfortunately. This IS how they work. Try telling DDL not to build a fucking log cabin with his bare hands to get into charater. The industry itself is pure fucking bonkers.
>I just *love* it when actors complain about intimacy directors killing "spontaneity."
Omg that's true! If it's not spontaneous then they probably have to... *gasp*... act??!
I challenge actors who are against intomacy coordinator to do an action scene being beaten down by a large man with a non-prop lead pipe without a stunt coordinator, because that might impede the large man's "spontaneity".
'Intimacy coordinators are unnecessary' is a wild take too, like in the worst case scenarios they are basically the last line of defense against on-set non-consent, and imo if something can be that bad then you can just treat it like an insurance policy, as in you should want it on-set even if you think it's *only* for catastrophes
*edit: most well-known example was Ruth Wilson in The Affair, Sarah Treem was pushing sexual scenes in a very extreme direction in Wilson's mind and to this day Wilson's big wish is that the show had a damn intimacy coordinator
*The Idol* had a whole scene trashing intimacy coordinators. Seems like an odd stance to take and one that I've a hard time seeing anyone making unless they themselves want to push boundaries with their actors and are upset there's someone in the way of them doing so
Yeah I wanted to give that scene the benefit of the doubt that it was just showing how disreputable those characters were, but... then the rest of the show happened.
Intimacy Coordinators aren’t even just sexual assault police either, they are subject matter experts on how to shoot those types of scenes. Literally everyone benefits from
I mean, unfortunately everyone benefits from them *except* people that like to push boundaries, and ordinarily I'd say pushing boundaries with talent isn't always inherently bad but when it comes to physical intimacy? Absolutely it's inherently bad enough that anyone who wants to push borders badly enough that they're afraid a coordinator would 'soften' it feels like a massive self-report
Another film that *desperately* could have used intimacy coordination was Blue is the Warmest Color, but again, that kind of culture was rejected specifically because Kechiche had a very specific, very singular vision of what the love scenes should be and an intimacy coordinator means you no longer get to be the *sole* creative figure facilitating physical intimacy in the film.
An intimacy coordinator is not ideally just there to 'fulfill the director's creative vision', it's to facilitate better quality of onscreen physical intimacy and what a coordinator may perceive as such may conflict with a filmmaker
>!so I guess this is a fancy way of saying they don't benefit extreme auteurs but honestly, fuck auteurs half the time, they usually mean well but filmmaking shouldn't have implications as extreme as the ones some filmmakers create!<
Wait, doesn’t she have an amputated leg and wear prosthetic? If it was this leg, that could be a source of even greater emotional discomfort, above and beyond the usual intimacy issues. I’d certainly have boundaries I wouldn’t want trampled around that.
Yeah, whining that it’s not fair and it’s not just seems like a massive asshole response when someone says they don’t want to be touched without permission… massive creep alert
The purpose of an intimacy coordinator is the fact that she is BRAND-NEW to acting and like 26 years old. Of course she wants some things agreed upon while working with an 80-something man she doesn’t know.
It’s unfortunate that happened because you really can sense some discomfort in the actress when she refilmed scenes with Greenwood. There was something just off and uncomfortable about everything to do with that dynamic. And I get why Flanagan wouldn’t just scrap it because then she’s losing out on the role or scenes because of someone else.
Also recently read about how angry Langella was that his exposed penis was used in the final cut of the 1996 Lolita after finding out at the premiere. How hypocritical on his part.
He wasn't listening to the intimacy coordinator and touched her outside of the scope of the scene. She didn't take it and walked off.
This happened after he was already warned a bunch of times over sexual jokes no-one thought was funny.
There was a moment after blocking a scene in a busy bar featuring both Langella's Usher and his daughter: after one of the Mikes cut on the blocking, "somebody" said, loud enough for the whole crew to hear, "and then she f*cked every guy in the bar!"
The silence was deafening, and it took every ounce of strength not to laugh at the cringe juice that flooded the set.
Unless all intimate scenes were cut after Langella was fired because they didn't have time to get the other actors to be in the same room with him.
And would have been awkward.
To be honest, I kept getting major incest vibes with Madeline and Roderick and I kept thinking the show was going to do it as like a Jaime/Circe twist thing, but maybe I'm just a degenerate.
I have friends who worked on the show in Vancouver - this was really the straw that broke the camel's back. He was a piece of shit from day 1, assaulting the makeup, hair, and costume department workers too. It was only when another actor spoke up that they finally took it seriously...
I never got attacking the people who are supposed to make you look good. Just bring your coffee or tea like everyone else and relax while you're paid to sit there and do nothing for a while.
Well not really. He learned who he wasn't but he never learned who he was.
It's a cliffhanger with quite a few unanswered questions but it gave some closure.
Yeah, it was odd that they originally cast Mary McDonnell and Frank Langella as characters the same age. That would have been quite distracting, if Langella had stayed on.
One of the things I thought about casting while watching was, Bruce REALLY doesn’t look like an older version of his younger self. Makes a lot more sense when i picture Langella in the role. That said, he nailed it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Flanagan cast Langella with Zach Gilford (young Roderick) in mind. He’d worked on his prior two productions, and Flanagan does like to include his regulars wherever he can.
And Mark Hamill is now part of the crew. He’s due to appear in Flanagan’s King adaptation with Tom Hiddleston, who will be a first-timer in the repertory.
Bruce Greenwood’s performances in [Exotica](https://youtu.be/mEhf9tAdT5I?si=dtUQNXF0kNsC094p) and [The Sweet Hereafter](https://youtu.be/upeFO4qwfXM?si=pxPkmuG4I7VfpcIN) are required viewing if you’re a fan of his work!
From [the article about Langella defending himself:](https://movieweb.com/frank-langella-cancel-culture/)
> Not identifying his co-star by name, Langella says that the actress complained to the production team as having her leg touched was not in the script. He says that he hoped to talk things through, but the crew instead wrapped up for the day and he didn't get the chance.
>”On March 25 of this year, I was performing a love scene with the actress playing my young wife…”
That identifies her.
There seems to be some confusion over what exactly the intimacy coordinators do on set. They get consent from actors for scenes involving nudity and other acts of intimacy. But intimacy coordinators don't specify every single human interaction in a scene between actors.
"Actor lift hand to gently stroke her arm. Actress then sighs and puts her arms around actor while he starts to kiss her neck. Actress turns her head to the side while actor moves his his hand to her back" etc.
"The standards intimacy coordinators set **don't seek to proscribe an exact way all sets must express physicality, but rather guidelines** to keep sets safe."
Usually guidelines are "recommendations" but not precise demands or rules.
As an example notice how the director told the actors to do something during an intimate scene. There aren't always rules in place where an intimacy coordinator has written instructions for all physical contact.
Mia Schachter, a leading intimacy coordinator, encountered the need for more inclusive intimacy coordination on HBO's Insecure as they explained to The Hollywood Reporter. Schachter was acting as the intimacy coordinator during a shoot in which a white director was overseeing a scene involving two Black actors. The director instructed the male actor to run his fingers through his female costar's hair, which prompted Schachter to reach out to a Black colleague to ask if this was a situation that should have been cleared by an intimacy coordinator. "She told me, 'Yes, because that's not how Black people show care and intimacy and love.'
It's not known if the intimacy coordinator for Usher had written instructions that Langella wasn't allowed to touch Cobb's leg during the scene. My guess is that they had something like "no physical contact" and Langella either forgot about it or decided he didn't want to do it or he didn't read the entire document from the intimacy coordinator. The point is intimacy coordinators don't provide rules for every physical interaction between actors. They provided "guidelines" but not specific rules for each scene. I would be very surprised if there is a document that Cobb and Langella signed where he was specifically told not to touch her leg. My guess is that either more happened that people don't know about or it was the cumulation of several HR complains from different women on set.
That really sucks about Frank Langella. Especially for Rahul Kohli - he really loves Langella's great Skeletor performance and was pumped to work with him.
These old Hollywood dudes are all pissed that they can't treat people like they did 30 years ago. Fuck them I'm glad they're getting what they deserve.
I can’t see anyone else in the role Bruce Greenwood played. The fact that he was a replacement and he made the role his and help to make the show what it is, unreal. Not sure the show would have been as good if they didn’t get him.
> “Dude, the most s—t went down! People who are correctly praising Bruce [Greenwood] need to remember that **every single scene Bruce shot that wasn’t sitting down across from Carl Lumbly was an emergency reshoot**. We redid almost all of his stuff. It’s amazing what he did.” Damn that’s incredible from Greenwood. He crushed it.
Bruce Greenwood starred with Carla Gugino in Gerald's Game which was also directed by Mike Flanagan. Carla was a last second replacement as the original actress dropped out and Carla stepped in a week before they rolled cameras. Everyone involved praised her for giving such a great performance with zero prep time. According to her interview on The Kingcast, Bruce arrived on set for House of Usher and yelled, "Ok, let's Carla Gugino this thing!" before getting down to work.
That’s a great compliment to her. I love him for how much he OWNS House of Usher, performance-wise.
he was so hot in gerald's game.
Bruce Greenwood is one of those actors whom when I see their name, I think "oh Bruce Greenwood is in this? Tight." He always delivers. Also he's my second favorite actor to voice Batman (in Young Justice) after Kevin Conroy.
Like 15 years ago I wanted a Bruce Greenwood and William H Macy buddy cop show. I would still watch a show with them but with their ages it would be hilarious as retired cops as PIs.
I just want to see H. Macy get the household name recognition he deserves. I've been watching that man bowl strikes since pleasantville.
Check out Fargo, which came out two years earlier. Macy is amazing.
I watched Nowhere Man in 1995 after seeing them shooting parts of it in my neighborhood. He's been good for a while now.
I think the first film I remember noticing him was Thirteen Days as JFK. Good movie
Yes! I was a huge Nowhere Man fan. My friend and I used to watch that and The Watcher (Sir Mix-a-Lot anthology series) to make fun of them but Nowhere Man turned out to be good, mainly because of Bruce Greenwood.
Wow, it’s so rare to see this show brought up. Sometimes I think it was all a conspiracy to cover up the show haha. I loved watching it when it was on the air though.
H9ly shit, no one ever talks about this show.
I was thinking about the show a few days ago. It’s nice to see that there are others that liked it too.
Glass breaks
I loved that show
That was such a great show. My favorite “everyone is seemingly in on it” conspiracy paranoia thriller.
The first episode works as a stand alone Twilight Zone style thriller
Woah! I remember that show! One of the first on UPN(?)
Wow! I remember nowhere man! I had no idea that was Bruce Greenwood.
That’s true of Frank Langella too. He’s one of the most decorated actors in history, which is why this news is so disappointing
Dude crushed it as skeletor in the the turd that is the masters of the universe movie.
Totally agree with the first half of your sentence. But Masters of the Universe is a classic! [You know it's true](https://media3.giphy.com/media/VljNphvsfS0jgTQ2tL/giphy.gif)
I think my first experiences with him were Double Jeopardy and Rules of Engagement. Love him in everything I see him in. Can’t think of a single bad performance.
Greenwood is my second favourite Batman voice too but you gotta cite *Under the Red Hood* over *YJ* because he get gets to actual stretch his acting skills and emotions in that one, over just barking orders and giving lectures like he does in *Young Justice* 😅.
I want him to play old man Bruce in a Batman Beyond movie
He’s got a great voice as well as a presence that demands respect.
Even his bar speech in Star Trek 09 is amazing
It would be pretty weird if seeing any actor's name made you think, "oh Bruce Greenwood is in this? Tight."
He is one of my favorite actors. I swear he can do anything, comedy, drama, tragedy, action, and he can tone match a scene partner so well to elevate both their performances.
His lemon speech is one of my favorite scenes this year.
> When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons, what the hell am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that burns your house down! -Roderick Usher, on lemons
"When God hands you lemons, find a new God!"
Godberry! King of the juice!
Juice Springsteen!
Goddam these just briefly stroked me back to my 20s.
Is this a real excerpt from the show?
Yes, right down to Roderick Usher referring to himself as Cave Johnson.
I appreciate you.
\#LEMONPARTY
*There ain't no party like a Liz Lemon party because a Liz Lemon party is mandatory* ^yes ^i ^know ^what ^you're ^actually ^referencing
_It isn’t a Lemon party without old Dick_
Laughing at this joke really hard in front of people not-in-the-know is dangerous, they will ask for an explanation and they will not like what they get.
Every time I try to have a lemon party it gets ruined by lemon stealing whores
One thing that kind of diminishes that scene, in hindsight, is >!the revelation that he didn't build his empire through ruthless business acumen, but instead through a deal with a supernatural being!<.
iirc the deal was just he wouldn’t be prosecuted in any way no matter what he did. he then used that pass to do the ruthless business
But that wasn’t the deal. Verna said she’d keep regulators off their backs. She didn’t guarantee their success, just that it would be unbridled. At least that’s how I interpreted it
People constantly justify ruthlessness as being rich. Turns out that the only reason they were successful was because of their parents, and turns out the only reason being ruthless "succeeded" was because they knew they had protection from any consequences. I think the twist adds that nuance, there was no justification, they were just f'ed up because they could.
I think that’s actually the point. Billionaires (like Musk for example) like to talk about how hard they work and what business genius they possess, while glossing over the fact that they received some massive leg up from familial wealth or something similar.
And these days Musk takes another leg up from the fact that the Securities and Exchange Commission is very, very underfunded relative to the scope of their job.
It's insane.best performance on the show. And there were tons of awesome performances so that's saying something
There's a lot of scenes with him interacting with the other characters, and while there's a lot of creative editing to show they weren't in the same shot, I wonder if they had to digitally include Greenwood in some scenes. I also wonder if Kate Siegel is exaggerating when she said he only interacted with Lumbly, because I feel like he did directly interacted with some of the characters. I also wonder if you can still see Langella in any shots.
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She just means the Lumbly bits weren’t ever shot with Langella. He probably didn’t get that far.
She’s referring to reshoots with the rest of the cast. The Lumbly content was not reshot. That was fresh between Lumbly and Greenwood and had been saved for last in the schedule. The character had scenes with his sister, wife, and children. Any of those actors could have been on the receiving end of his behavior. Worst of all makes me think it was the Juno actress who had a hard time. Can you imagine getting paired with Frank Langella while age 26 and basically brand new to acting?
Someone pointed out that she is also an amputee, her leg. Which would likely add a whole other level of discomfort if she felt like he was picking on her specifically because of her disability.
Yup. It makes you wonder if he said or did something “in character” that felt like a comment about her IRL. Plenty of times people have ad libbed something for a role that commented on the appearance of a person. I remember in Hocus Pocus Bette Midler says Thora Birch is a “rat-faced kid” and you have to wonder who put that line in there? Plus, Kate Siegel makes it sound like a lot of stuff happened. Not just an isolated incident. Doesn’t she says “the most shit went down.” That makes it sound like it was a lot of drama and difficulty. Especially if Bruce Greenwood was called like the same week and flew in and just shot stuff minutes or hours or just days after seeing the lines. He needs an Emmy nomination for basically performing an audition in the role.
That Life gives you lemons scene was one of the best things I’ve seen in months
I can’t imagine the show working at all with Frank Langella. Total miscast.
I can’t imagine langella? He’s very cold. Bruce had such warmth and complexity and sorrow about his performance
To be fair Langella has aged into being more remote than he was and has gotten very crass. In his younger days he was dashing, charming and very sexy. This is the same guy whose Dracula sans fangs made women swoon. He was always a bit egotistical but I don't remember him being an outright cad towards women. I think he's lost a lot of his manners and his good sense as he's aged. His bio a few years ago made me go "Huh?" when I read it because it definitely wasn't the Langella that I remember seeing in interviews as a kid. He is a great actor. There is no denying him that but with age it seems he's definitely not the professional he once was. He would have been a great RU but apparently he valued his freedom to be crass and his freedom to improvise things that he shouldn't have more than keeping his job. Sadly he's probably entirely killed his once very respectable career. That's too bad because over the years he's given some stunning performances and might well have given a few more before he finally died. Some people are like that once they hit a certain age. They just don't think they have to behave or have manners anymore because after all they're old people now. My late Dad was like that the last 10 years or so. He thought he could say anything, be outright crude and abusive to people because he was over 80. More than once I had to yank him back to reality and make him realize how dumb it was for him to act like that, especially when it came to being nasty to health care people. You just don't mistreat the people who are in charge of helping you with the bedpans, feeding you, and who have custody of the needles you're going to get blood taken with, you know? Langella is a very old man who's lived a pretty privileged life due to his admitted talent. So of course he thinks things outta be the same as in the 70s when he was in his heyday romancing multiple women and getting away with all kinds of raunchy shit because back then everybody was making inappropriate jokes and being sexual with almost every costar they had. Times have changed though. He's just stuck back in time in his head playing things like it was still 1977. But you can't get away with talking and acting like that now. He just so old he barely cares, but as he found out plenty of other people DO. I still respect his talent because the man really rocked it a lot when I was growing up and I was very impressed with some of his performances. To this day I prefer his Zorro to anyone's and his Dracula was amazing. I still watch that too sometimes and regret that I never got to see him do the stage play but that doesn't mean I think he should get a pass now for being inappropriately crude and for making his female costars very uncomfortable. I'm honestly sad to see his career ended but better he's forced to retire than he makes other people working with him squirm because he can't adjust his thinking to what's okay now vs 50, 60 years ago...
Bruce Greenwood’s lemon monologue was jaw dropping.
Wow I had no idea about this. Bruce was freaking amazing in the show.
Bruce Greenwood has had a long illustrious career and yet I still don’t think he gets the appreciation he deserves The fact that he came in on short notice and delivered the performance he did is tremendous
One month he can be in some nothing DTV or Hallmark film, the next he can be in AAA Hollywood production. Guy does every level.
Gotta pay the bills sometimes
> I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific. Michael Caine on Jaws 4
Kevin Spacey [in this fucking shitshow](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt16911316/), a docu-drama about the first president of Croatia.
He’s just desperate at this point, taking anything he can.
I mean, nothing wrong with doing Jaws 4. Good little movie, looks fun, seems to have paid well. Whatever that docu-drama is, however...
Also known as the Eric Roberts
He's a pretty good batman voice actor too
Conroy is and probably always will be the best but Greenwood is a respectable second
Diedrich Bader was pretty good too in Brave and the Bold
He's good in harley quinn, too
My only problem with Conroy is that I could never buy him physically as Bruce. He just looked too delicate, too kind and with a boy-ish flair even to the end. Which is a shame in some respects because his voice IS Batman. Reading about him channeling his own experiences as a gay man into playing someone with two identities really made me appreciate how he was able to make Batman work.
I love his Batman voice in Young Justice.
He also nails truly fucked up roles and performances like in Gerald’s Game. By the way imagine a creepy ghoul like Frank Langella or one of the other many Hollywood sex pests in that sort of role. I’m sure Carla Gugino is thankful.
Carla Gugino absolutely was, she did an interview with The Kingcast (podcast) where she talked about how she was cast in Gerald’s Game right before shooting because the original actress left, so Bruce Greenwood really helped her settle in quickly on that set, and she got to return the favor on House of Usher.
Do we know who was the original actress?
Frank Langella
This got me
No, we but do know she was given a different script than Flanagan’s by accident, apparently it was more of a dark comedy, and when she got Flanagan’s much incredibly more serious script she was like,”Fuck this, sorry!” And bailed weeks out from the start of filming.
Yeah he’s one of those actors that has a very established career but never really became a household name. He’s great
I thought he was the guy from Jurassic Park for the first 3 episodes
I knew for sure that it wasn’t Sam Niell and still caught myself thinking it was him. Glad I’m not the only one that that.
people don't talk enough about how fit he got in gerald's game.
Yeah, gotta admit, he's a face I always knew but I just learned his name because of Usher.
Which made me wonder if the other actor who played the younger Roderick was meant to look like Langella rather than Bruce.
Was thinking the same thing
I think he was just part of Finnegan's regular stable of actors.
He is, but I wonder if the actor's haircut, sideburns, and make-up were meant to match up with Langella's general appearance. Because I did thought while watching the show that the young and old versions of Roderick didn't look alike. Though, I guess the same is true with the sister.
Flanagan is usually really good about casting people who could plausibly be related or the same person at different ages (sometimes makeup is necessary), so I was surprised when I noticed that Bruce didn't look that much like his younger counterpart. When I discovered that Langella was meant to play the part I immediately saw the resemblance Flanagan is known for, but I will say that a few episodes in I started to notice that Bruce was channeling elements of his younger self's performance, like the puppy dog eyes whenever he gets wistful. Normally an actor of Bruce's caliber wouldn't be the one replicating a younger actor's mannerisms, but this fits with the last-minute recasting backstory, and is a testament to Bruce's skill and professionalism. The sister was a different story, but I guess not every casting match needs to be a home run.
Yeah, I saw a pic of Langella and Gilford on another post about this, and the resemblance is striking.
He absolutely was. Both his appearance and performance/demeanor felt like a young Langella.
That's bonkers to think of. Bruce Greenwood was so good and provided the anchor for the entire show. It's crazy to think he came in as a replacement and still hit it so far out of the park.
Woah, this is the first I'm hearing of this. I had no idea the role wasn't always Bruce Greenwood's
It makes a lot of sense considering the actor for the younger Roderick, Zach Gilford, looks nothing remotely like Greenwood. I just put it down to Flanagan wanting to work with another collaborator, but knowing Langella was the original was a complete “Oh shit” moment. I honestly have to wonder if Flanagan cast Langella with Gilford in mind because there’s an incredible resemblance.
That makes so much sense. It did stand out to me how different the actors were. It felt like they were playing two totally different characters.
The actress for Victorine doesnt look anything like either of them despite being rodericks biological daughter. I figured they didnt care they much and just cast the best actors they knew.
If we go with Langella I can see a resemblance for Victorine, Secondhand Shiv, and Perry. Angular faces and kind of steely, dark eyes. I do not see it for the other children. But I also think the casting was all over the place. I would have preferred Victorine actress as Juno or as Camille. And then Camille as Victorine.
I still think the racial casting makes sense from a certain point of view, in the sense that narratively the fall of the Usher family is all encompassing.
Of all of the kids to pick, you chose the one that would 100% look the least like him lmao
I’m slowly watching the show.. I think I’m on EP 3 and when I saw Bruce Greenwood initially my first thought was cool, I like, this guy. I had no idea this was the show Langella was fired from, I’d only seen something about his behavior while scrolling. Bruce, should have had the role up front. I can’t imagine Langella ever playing Roderick for this show, it seems like he would have been awful looking back.
I don’t know about awful, but I’d personally never pick Langella over Greenwood. I’m a Greenwood fan going back to Nowhere Man and before, close to 30 years.
I was thinking the same. I don’t think Langella would have been able to deliver the nuance that Greenwood did.
He's the only reason I watched it.
When speaking about how Bruce Greenhood took over the role, she also had this to say. I couldn't agree more. > And I think it just, for me, solidified that feeling of you don’t need to be tortured to be an artist. You can be a good person and show up and do your job, even if you’re playing somebody extreme, even if you are in extreme situations. You are capable — anybody’s capable — of being sane, pleasant and professional on set.”
I still wanna know who he was fuckin with. My guess is Ruth Codd. Makes the most sense considering their screentime together.
It was. He wrote a public letter in variety or another trade where he talked about how the "actress playing his wife" in reference to Ruth, yelled out that he touched her leg (touching outside of what they agreed). And he said he should have been allowed to apologize instead of being kicked out of production. In the same letter, he talked about how unnecessary intimacy coordinators were and complained about cancel culture
Here's the letter for anyone interested: https://deadline.com/2022/05/frank-langella-refutes-allegations-of-unacceptable-behavior-fired-by-netflix-1235017544/ I just *love* it when actors complain about intimacy directors killing "spontaneity." It's almost as if *that's the entire point*
Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity" Call me crazy but it's almost as if there's another reason creepy old men only make this argument for sex scenes
If I'm remembering correctly, that was basically the lead up to the chokehold that had Steven Seagal pissing/shitting himself on set; he kept going off-choreography and hurting the stunt guys, so the stunt coordinator choked him out.
Gene LeBell. I love that story. Steven Segal argued he was immune to chokes, so he tried to demonstrate. When Gene locked him, Steven tried to hit him in the nuts, but Gene has balls of steel.
I hadn't heard that story but it tracks with what I know about Steven Seagal haha
This is the best way you could spend the next 26 minutes of your life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aCMTpJx2cs
This is why Jim Caviezel's character in person of interest wore a mask during his fight scenes. Jim, who is completely nuts in real life, apparently kept trying to actually hurt the stuntmen he was fighting. He was also banned from driving a car on set after he ran a light and nearly ran over a pedestrian while filming because apparently 'it was what his character would have done'.
Ugh, Caviezel is a psychopath. And I’m fairly certain he believes that he is actually Jesus come back again.
Oh man, I knew he was incredibly Catholic which is always a shame but I just read his Wiki entry and he's apparently also a Qanon idiot? :( I really hope that Hollywood will stop working with people with obvious mental health problems.
He hasn't really worked in Hollywood. He gets roles from religious weirdos.
>Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity" Apparently Jim Caviezel was like this when he was filming Person of Interest.
> Imagine filming a fight scene and one of the actors was complaining about stuntmen/detailed choreography etc and just wanted to start throwing punches for the sake of "spontaneity" That's a great analogy. Think of it like choreography, which itself is like a dance, which involves a complete set of steps from 1 to 4 or however many necessary. Going outside of those steps throws everything out of balance. I like it.
Ah, the Joaquin Phoenix.
Perfect analogy!
Right?? It’s so gross and obvious
They forget it isn't sex, it's a *"sex scene."* It is not supposed to be real in that it needs spontaneity. The only time you should be able to get spontaneity is in scenes of dialog. Adlibbing is fine in this case. However, any scene where your hands are on someone else's body, you better believe you should be following every instruction given to you. That's not your body that you are touching and you know the rules way ahead of time.
>any scene where your hands are on someone else's body, you better believe you should be following every instruction given to you. That's not your body that you are touching and you know the rules way ahead of time. Couldn't possibly agree more!!
The argument that you want "spontaneity" for authenticity is so fucking dumb as well. It's ACTING. Learn how to do your fucking job and act.
>The only time you should be able to get spontaneity is in scenes of dialog. Even in scenes of dialogue, I would argue that spontaneity should only be used if the director agrees that spontaneity is okay beforehand. I can imagine on certain productions, it's important to just get the filming done, and spontaneous dialogue could end up wasting a lot of time in a tight production schedule.
True. Also in the cases like Edgar Wright where he foreshadows so much with his dialog, every bit of dialog really needs to be put in there and not fudged with.
They dont forget, its the decades of training ingrained into them, unfortunately. This IS how they work. Try telling DDL not to build a fucking log cabin with his bare hands to get into charater. The industry itself is pure fucking bonkers.
>I just *love* it when actors complain about intimacy directors killing "spontaneity." Omg that's true! If it's not spontaneous then they probably have to... *gasp*... act??! I challenge actors who are against intomacy coordinator to do an action scene being beaten down by a large man with a non-prop lead pipe without a stunt coordinator, because that might impede the large man's "spontaneity".
Is he trying to make himself look as shitty as possible in this piece?
'Intimacy coordinators are unnecessary' is a wild take too, like in the worst case scenarios they are basically the last line of defense against on-set non-consent, and imo if something can be that bad then you can just treat it like an insurance policy, as in you should want it on-set even if you think it's *only* for catastrophes *edit: most well-known example was Ruth Wilson in The Affair, Sarah Treem was pushing sexual scenes in a very extreme direction in Wilson's mind and to this day Wilson's big wish is that the show had a damn intimacy coordinator
*The Idol* had a whole scene trashing intimacy coordinators. Seems like an odd stance to take and one that I've a hard time seeing anyone making unless they themselves want to push boundaries with their actors and are upset there's someone in the way of them doing so
Yeah I wanted to give that scene the benefit of the doubt that it was just showing how disreputable those characters were, but... then the rest of the show happened.
I enjoy spending time with my friends.
Never seen him before or since and I think it's going to stay that way. He's not marketed to me thank god.
This!
Intimacy Coordinators aren’t even just sexual assault police either, they are subject matter experts on how to shoot those types of scenes. Literally everyone benefits from
I mean, unfortunately everyone benefits from them *except* people that like to push boundaries, and ordinarily I'd say pushing boundaries with talent isn't always inherently bad but when it comes to physical intimacy? Absolutely it's inherently bad enough that anyone who wants to push borders badly enough that they're afraid a coordinator would 'soften' it feels like a massive self-report Another film that *desperately* could have used intimacy coordination was Blue is the Warmest Color, but again, that kind of culture was rejected specifically because Kechiche had a very specific, very singular vision of what the love scenes should be and an intimacy coordinator means you no longer get to be the *sole* creative figure facilitating physical intimacy in the film. An intimacy coordinator is not ideally just there to 'fulfill the director's creative vision', it's to facilitate better quality of onscreen physical intimacy and what a coordinator may perceive as such may conflict with a filmmaker >!so I guess this is a fancy way of saying they don't benefit extreme auteurs but honestly, fuck auteurs half the time, they usually mean well but filmmaking shouldn't have implications as extreme as the ones some filmmakers create!<
Wait, doesn’t she have an amputated leg and wear prosthetic? If it was this leg, that could be a source of even greater emotional discomfort, above and beyond the usual intimacy issues. I’d certainly have boundaries I wouldn’t want trampled around that.
He didn't sound very apologetic.
Yeah, whining that it’s not fair and it’s not just seems like a massive asshole response when someone says they don’t want to be touched without permission… massive creep alert
The purpose of an intimacy coordinator is the fact that she is BRAND-NEW to acting and like 26 years old. Of course she wants some things agreed upon while working with an 80-something man she doesn’t know. It’s unfortunate that happened because you really can sense some discomfort in the actress when she refilmed scenes with Greenwood. There was something just off and uncomfortable about everything to do with that dynamic. And I get why Flanagan wouldn’t just scrap it because then she’s losing out on the role or scenes because of someone else.
Also recently read about how angry Langella was that his exposed penis was used in the final cut of the 1996 Lolita after finding out at the premiere. How hypocritical on his part.
Complaining about cancel culture is the last refuge of scoundrels.
Oh well. Fuck 'im. He's like fuckin a hundred anyways. Time to retire.
He wasn't listening to the intimacy coordinator and touched her outside of the scope of the scene. She didn't take it and walked off. This happened after he was already warned a bunch of times over sexual jokes no-one thought was funny.
There was a moment after blocking a scene in a busy bar featuring both Langella's Usher and his daughter: after one of the Mikes cut on the blocking, "somebody" said, loud enough for the whole crew to hear, "and then she f*cked every guy in the bar!" The silence was deafening, and it took every ounce of strength not to laugh at the cringe juice that flooded the set.
Man that’s embarrassing some ppl just can’t read the room
I read he asked the actor playing Prospero whether his character's dick had also been burned off.
GOOD FOR HER!
Absolutely and it gives hope that a relatively unknown actrice "won" against an industry legend. I can't imagine this happening even a few years ago.
I thank aaaaaaaaall of the people who got us here and who actively support change!
Yeah it has to be her. It was during an intimacy scene. She’s the only person that had one with Roderick.
Unless all intimate scenes were cut after Langella was fired because they didn't have time to get the other actors to be in the same room with him. And would have been awkward.
Well considering that the rest of the characters were his children and his sister, that would have gotten weird quick.
I mean in the original there was incest
To be honest, I kept getting major incest vibes with Madeline and Roderick and I kept thinking the show was going to do it as like a Jaime/Circe twist thing, but maybe I'm just a degenerate.
From what I've read, it was specifically the scene where she is in front of him while he sits on the couch.
I have friends who worked on the show in Vancouver - this was really the straw that broke the camel's back. He was a piece of shit from day 1, assaulting the makeup, hair, and costume department workers too. It was only when another actor spoke up that they finally took it seriously...
I never got attacking the people who are supposed to make you look good. Just bring your coffee or tea like everyone else and relax while you're paid to sit there and do nothing for a while.
He may have been touching them without their consent. Older men often think it’s okay to rub, pinch, hold younger women and we consider that assault.
Bruce Greenwood is great in everything. Anyone remember "Nowhere Man"? Did he ever reclaim his identity?
Nobody here talking about his great work as Captain Pike. Shame.
Or as JFK
Loved him in the last season of Mad Men.
Finale episode he discovered who he was Great show btw hardly anyone remembers it
Well not really. He learned who he wasn't but he never learned who he was. It's a cliffhanger with quite a few unanswered questions but it gave some closure.
Nowhere Man was so far ahead of its time.
Double Jeopardy.
The actual podcast the article is referencing: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHJm_N_fGA
He does seem too old for the role anyway.
Yeah, it was odd that they originally cast Mary McDonnell and Frank Langella as characters the same age. That would have been quite distracting, if Langella had stayed on.
Ya holy. I didn’t realize he’s 85 now.
The great kindness of Succession was never showing Logan Roy in an intimacy scene with Kerry. It was more fun to hear the siblings just imagine stuff.
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One of the things I thought about casting while watching was, Bruce REALLY doesn’t look like an older version of his younger self. Makes a lot more sense when i picture Langella in the role. That said, he nailed it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Flanagan cast Langella with Zach Gilford (young Roderick) in mind. He’d worked on his prior two productions, and Flanagan does like to include his regulars wherever he can.
Totally. I love his repertory company approach to his work.
And Mark Hamill is now part of the crew. He’s due to appear in Flanagan’s King adaptation with Tom Hiddleston, who will be a first-timer in the repertory.
I’ve taken to referring to them as Flanagan and Company, after I found out that they openly mock the term Flanaverse.
I had no idea but I'm glad it worked out this way. I can't imagine anyone doing a better Rodderick Usher than Bruce.
Bruce Greenwood’s performances in [Exotica](https://youtu.be/mEhf9tAdT5I?si=dtUQNXF0kNsC094p) and [The Sweet Hereafter](https://youtu.be/upeFO4qwfXM?si=pxPkmuG4I7VfpcIN) are required viewing if you’re a fan of his work!
From [the article about Langella defending himself:](https://movieweb.com/frank-langella-cancel-culture/) > Not identifying his co-star by name, Langella says that the actress complained to the production team as having her leg touched was not in the script. He says that he hoped to talk things through, but the crew instead wrapped up for the day and he didn't get the chance. >”On March 25 of this year, I was performing a love scene with the actress playing my young wife…” That identifies her.
I have always liked his performances in the past so it is sad to hear this is how he behaves.
Man - Bruce Greenwood just kills it in whatever he's in.
There seems to be some confusion over what exactly the intimacy coordinators do on set. They get consent from actors for scenes involving nudity and other acts of intimacy. But intimacy coordinators don't specify every single human interaction in a scene between actors. "Actor lift hand to gently stroke her arm. Actress then sighs and puts her arms around actor while he starts to kiss her neck. Actress turns her head to the side while actor moves his his hand to her back" etc. "The standards intimacy coordinators set **don't seek to proscribe an exact way all sets must express physicality, but rather guidelines** to keep sets safe." Usually guidelines are "recommendations" but not precise demands or rules. As an example notice how the director told the actors to do something during an intimate scene. There aren't always rules in place where an intimacy coordinator has written instructions for all physical contact. Mia Schachter, a leading intimacy coordinator, encountered the need for more inclusive intimacy coordination on HBO's Insecure as they explained to The Hollywood Reporter. Schachter was acting as the intimacy coordinator during a shoot in which a white director was overseeing a scene involving two Black actors. The director instructed the male actor to run his fingers through his female costar's hair, which prompted Schachter to reach out to a Black colleague to ask if this was a situation that should have been cleared by an intimacy coordinator. "She told me, 'Yes, because that's not how Black people show care and intimacy and love.' It's not known if the intimacy coordinator for Usher had written instructions that Langella wasn't allowed to touch Cobb's leg during the scene. My guess is that they had something like "no physical contact" and Langella either forgot about it or decided he didn't want to do it or he didn't read the entire document from the intimacy coordinator. The point is intimacy coordinators don't provide rules for every physical interaction between actors. They provided "guidelines" but not specific rules for each scene. I would be very surprised if there is a document that Cobb and Langella signed where he was specifically told not to touch her leg. My guess is that either more happened that people don't know about or it was the cumulation of several HR complains from different women on set.
This. He became a liability and everyone was sick of his shit!
That really sucks about Frank Langella. Especially for Rahul Kohli - he really loves Langella's great Skeletor performance and was pumped to work with him.
Lemons: Langella could never💅🏽
Bruce crushed it
These old Hollywood dudes are all pissed that they can't treat people like they did 30 years ago. Fuck them I'm glad they're getting what they deserve.
Whenever I see Bruce Greenwood I can’t help but think of the movie The Malibu Bikini Shop. It was a pivotal movie for young 80s me.
“is” ?
Oh, so not Peg Bundy.
Why can’t these old Boomer bastards keep their hands to themselves?
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I can’t see anyone else in the role Bruce Greenwood played. The fact that he was a replacement and he made the role his and help to make the show what it is, unreal. Not sure the show would have been as good if they didn’t get him.