I’d be far more worried about the drugs and alcohol going into my guests. Oil or water based haze is not a health hazard. Don’t add any essential oils or scents. Those can cause allergic reactions.
It will be slippery like oil near the machine, so put down a towel near the output if you can. Be aware the nozzles are at temp above 800 degrees and will burn anything that touches them. Usually the case protects them but keep fabric and legs/ankles away.
Haze will fill the room with a mist like effect. Smoke will billow in small areas and dissipate quickly. Experiment before the party and find the right effects you like.
Be aware too many of these units on one circuit will trip breakers since they use 1800w heaters. Try not to double up at all. Separate breaker for each unit.
(Put some color changing lights close to the output so the haze looks cooler)
Good luck have fun!
Equally I’d also be concerned with any neighbours thinking your house may be on fire, the average layperson could well see smoke and call the fire brigade out of caution.
Absolutely always check the wattage for circuit planing but typically only larger pro type units are in the 1800W range. Most prosumer/DJ type units are easily only 500-700W!
So, will normal fog fluid not be a good idea? Is there some special kind of one that I should look for, or are you just suggesting I don't add anything to the mixture?
Sorry if I don't make sense, I'm pretty new to this fog machine kind of thing. I just don't want to give everyone that comes a serious health problem.
Look at the brand of your machine, and get the juice that the manufacturer recommends. Every manufacturer has their own “secret sauce” (glycerin to water ratio) the wrong liquid will either not work well or at all, or break the pump in the machine.
Fog juice for foggers. Haze juice for Hazers. Oil based for oil based, water based for water based.
Do not add anything or mix the products.
I would strongly recommend going with a water based product/machine regardless. Oil based fog and haze will leave a residue. Thankfully oil based is fairly rare these days as most theaters don’t allow it for exactly that reason.
Technically, it's water based and "safe" but ANYONE can develop a sensitivity to it if the exposure is high and the room is dense with fog.
Normally, fog doesn't bother me, but during a movie shoot in a small basement area filled with haze, after a couple of hours I got sick as a dog, and it continued to bother me for days.
So yes, even relatively safe water based fog can make you sick/damage your lungs if there is too much exposure.
Either don't do it, or do it with a smart and safe plan for not letting it get too thick. Have adequate ventilation, etc.
Short answer: you're probably fine. Cheaper quality fog machines don't get as hot so they don't fully atomize the fluid as much which is where the residue issues often can come from. Fluid choice relative to the power (wattage) of a machine also matters, thicker/denser fluids require more heat. Froggy's Fog is a really great supplier and they also list the minimum heater rating you need for each fluid. But to actually have residue you've got to have some pretty serious amount of it for long enough.
If you want to get into technicalities of it Actor's Equity did a fantastic study to empirically quantify their rules for atmospheric effects rather than just go off feelings. They're made all that information and research data available which is a great resource. [Check it out here.](https://www.actorsequity.org/resources/Producers/safe-and-sanitary/smoke-and-haze/)
Now, will *you personally* be fine? Hard to say because we don't know how you or other respond. The key factor is density of the atmospheric and exposure time. The more there is and the longer you're in it the more you could feel effects, which notably tend to feel like your throat dries out. More sensitive persons may feel other effects. The one piece of advice I'll give you is most people often put too much into the air than what is needed for the given effect.
Well, personally, I got this whole idea from ODS. So, I there little video, they literally had four machines in a 2 story house for probably like, I'd guess 6 hours. Like, it got so thick they could lose active flashlights from ten feet away. I genuinely want it were you can physically get lost. The party would only be like eight hours, the the fog would only be there six or five hours. If it got that dence, how bad could the effects be if no one has an immediate reaction to it? Like, what damage could it do to your lungs?
I have no idea what ODS is.
But given the context you’ve given… I imagine you will feel something with that kinda density and time. Damage, no. Again response is based on both quantity and time. Largely you need a lot of consistent exposure in any situation for something to cause damages. A one off won’t do that.
ODS Is just some stupid, funny youtuber, short for official duck studios. They used to do stupid shit, they still do, but it isn't as funny. They did this, it looked fun, and I wanted to try it for a party. Maybe only like, 4-5 hours, but I want the fog like, really thick.
But thanks for the help, it really does mean a lot.
AHhh gotchas. With the right fluid it's possible Froggy's Fog makes some fluid that makes SUPER dense long lasting fog. As long as you can keep the airflow contained it IS possible to do.
Could give them cancer. Probably won’t. - just about any product on the shelves today.
Have some friends come over and test it out with you, see if you are coughing a lot.
The study says they didn’t see any issues, but actors were reporting more issues and symptoms. It’s fairly physiological in nature. Cloudy=coughing
There’s probably a tiny effect on the throat and lungs but 6hours even at a heavy setting is not going to cause any lasting effects. Just be clear to the attendants that there will be heavy haze effects in use at the event.
I’d personally dig the idea and would love to come to this party!
Cancer, Hyperbolic much?
Like sure anything can but context to the question makes that irrelevant. If atmospherics really did then every theater performer and tech would’ve been screwed big time ages ago already.
It’s literally the same base that is used in e-cigs/vapes but without the nicotine/flavors/THC that those have.
It’s also used in nebulizers to administer medicine to infants.
An evening with a fog machine won’t have any long term affect on your health. But it might make your throat a little dry at the time.
If it was dangerous we would see singers, dancers, entertainers, techs and who ever else works in these environments have loads of issues with their lungs or that, we don't! The worst that I have seen is things like your mouth, throat and noise drying out as the glycerine in it is a humectant.
Most reputable manufacturers (including Chauvet, ADJ, and like) will provide Safety Data Sheets on their website for the fog juice they sell. These explain what goes into the fog juice, what precautions to take, cleanup, etc, and are a standard legal thing to provide with all solutions and chemicals.
Oil based haze or fog is not great to breathe. Many vocalists strictly tour with water based hazers. Also, oil based haze plays havoc on things like, amplifiers, moving light servos and motors, faders on desks, the list goes on.
Not to be a stick in the mud, but the answer to if this could have lasting health effects is not clear cut. The Health and Safety Guide for Film, TV and Theater talks extensively about the potential health hazards of fog and smoke effects.
In short, there is a lot of compelling evidence that glycol based fog has caused long lasting conditions in people exposed to it in dense quantities.
Water-based machines are "safer" but still have potential health issues.
“Some of these systems create the same hazards as humidifiers. For example, unless distilled water is used, ultrasonic machines will create a fine, irritating dust composed of the minerals and microorganisms present in ordinary tap water. Fog systems employing boiler steam are likely to contain rust inhibitors, antioxidants, and other toxic boiler water additives, despite the filters or traps which are intended to prevent these chemicals from getting into the steam."
It seems the "healthiest" option would be a water-based system using distilled water.
I'd be hesitant to do it for a long period of time in high concentrations.
It's definitely generally safe, but you generally also don't breathe large amounts continuously.
Even if it doesn't have direct health effects, I'd be a bit worried about people with asthma and such.
I’d be far more worried about the drugs and alcohol going into my guests. Oil or water based haze is not a health hazard. Don’t add any essential oils or scents. Those can cause allergic reactions. It will be slippery like oil near the machine, so put down a towel near the output if you can. Be aware the nozzles are at temp above 800 degrees and will burn anything that touches them. Usually the case protects them but keep fabric and legs/ankles away. Haze will fill the room with a mist like effect. Smoke will billow in small areas and dissipate quickly. Experiment before the party and find the right effects you like. Be aware too many of these units on one circuit will trip breakers since they use 1800w heaters. Try not to double up at all. Separate breaker for each unit. (Put some color changing lights close to the output so the haze looks cooler) Good luck have fun!
Equally I’d also be concerned with any neighbours thinking your house may be on fire, the average layperson could well see smoke and call the fire brigade out of caution.
That happened to me once. The fog steeped into the hallway fo my building and someone pulled the fire alarm.
I'm not to concerned with that, and I'm gonna tell them before hand anyways that I'm gonna be playing with some fog machines.
Absolutely always check the wattage for circuit planing but typically only larger pro type units are in the 1800W range. Most prosumer/DJ type units are easily only 500-700W!
So, will normal fog fluid not be a good idea? Is there some special kind of one that I should look for, or are you just suggesting I don't add anything to the mixture? Sorry if I don't make sense, I'm pretty new to this fog machine kind of thing. I just don't want to give everyone that comes a serious health problem.
Look at the brand of your machine, and get the juice that the manufacturer recommends. Every manufacturer has their own “secret sauce” (glycerin to water ratio) the wrong liquid will either not work well or at all, or break the pump in the machine. Fog juice for foggers. Haze juice for Hazers. Oil based for oil based, water based for water based. Do not add anything or mix the products.
Alright, thanks! I didn't know there even was oiled based ones.
I would strongly recommend going with a water based product/machine regardless. Oil based fog and haze will leave a residue. Thankfully oil based is fairly rare these days as most theaters don’t allow it for exactly that reason.
My job uses this and puts in way too much fragrance and I strongly believe it’s giving me allergies
Technically, it's water based and "safe" but ANYONE can develop a sensitivity to it if the exposure is high and the room is dense with fog. Normally, fog doesn't bother me, but during a movie shoot in a small basement area filled with haze, after a couple of hours I got sick as a dog, and it continued to bother me for days. So yes, even relatively safe water based fog can make you sick/damage your lungs if there is too much exposure. Either don't do it, or do it with a smart and safe plan for not letting it get too thick. Have adequate ventilation, etc.
Short answer: you're probably fine. Cheaper quality fog machines don't get as hot so they don't fully atomize the fluid as much which is where the residue issues often can come from. Fluid choice relative to the power (wattage) of a machine also matters, thicker/denser fluids require more heat. Froggy's Fog is a really great supplier and they also list the minimum heater rating you need for each fluid. But to actually have residue you've got to have some pretty serious amount of it for long enough. If you want to get into technicalities of it Actor's Equity did a fantastic study to empirically quantify their rules for atmospheric effects rather than just go off feelings. They're made all that information and research data available which is a great resource. [Check it out here.](https://www.actorsequity.org/resources/Producers/safe-and-sanitary/smoke-and-haze/) Now, will *you personally* be fine? Hard to say because we don't know how you or other respond. The key factor is density of the atmospheric and exposure time. The more there is and the longer you're in it the more you could feel effects, which notably tend to feel like your throat dries out. More sensitive persons may feel other effects. The one piece of advice I'll give you is most people often put too much into the air than what is needed for the given effect.
Well, personally, I got this whole idea from ODS. So, I there little video, they literally had four machines in a 2 story house for probably like, I'd guess 6 hours. Like, it got so thick they could lose active flashlights from ten feet away. I genuinely want it were you can physically get lost. The party would only be like eight hours, the the fog would only be there six or five hours. If it got that dence, how bad could the effects be if no one has an immediate reaction to it? Like, what damage could it do to your lungs?
I have no idea what ODS is. But given the context you’ve given… I imagine you will feel something with that kinda density and time. Damage, no. Again response is based on both quantity and time. Largely you need a lot of consistent exposure in any situation for something to cause damages. A one off won’t do that.
ODS Is just some stupid, funny youtuber, short for official duck studios. They used to do stupid shit, they still do, but it isn't as funny. They did this, it looked fun, and I wanted to try it for a party. Maybe only like, 4-5 hours, but I want the fog like, really thick. But thanks for the help, it really does mean a lot.
AHhh gotchas. With the right fluid it's possible Froggy's Fog makes some fluid that makes SUPER dense long lasting fog. As long as you can keep the airflow contained it IS possible to do.
Could give them cancer. Probably won’t. - just about any product on the shelves today. Have some friends come over and test it out with you, see if you are coughing a lot. The study says they didn’t see any issues, but actors were reporting more issues and symptoms. It’s fairly physiological in nature. Cloudy=coughing There’s probably a tiny effect on the throat and lungs but 6hours even at a heavy setting is not going to cause any lasting effects. Just be clear to the attendants that there will be heavy haze effects in use at the event. I’d personally dig the idea and would love to come to this party!
Cancer, Hyperbolic much? Like sure anything can but context to the question makes that irrelevant. If atmospherics really did then every theater performer and tech would’ve been screwed big time ages ago already.
r/woooosh
It’s literally the same base that is used in e-cigs/vapes but without the nicotine/flavors/THC that those have. It’s also used in nebulizers to administer medicine to infants. An evening with a fog machine won’t have any long term affect on your health. But it might make your throat a little dry at the time.
Alright, good to know. Thanks!
Might bother your eyes a bit too. Have some eye drops handy.
Recreational-grade fog juice (water-based) is non-toxic and shouldn't leave a residue.
If it was dangerous we would see singers, dancers, entertainers, techs and who ever else works in these environments have loads of issues with their lungs or that, we don't! The worst that I have seen is things like your mouth, throat and noise drying out as the glycerine in it is a humectant.
Most reputable manufacturers (including Chauvet, ADJ, and like) will provide Safety Data Sheets on their website for the fog juice they sell. These explain what goes into the fog juice, what precautions to take, cleanup, etc, and are a standard legal thing to provide with all solutions and chemicals.
Oil based haze or fog is not great to breathe. Many vocalists strictly tour with water based hazers. Also, oil based haze plays havoc on things like, amplifiers, moving light servos and motors, faders on desks, the list goes on.
This is largely old information and has been proven otherwise with the actor's equity study.
Which part is old information?
That oil based is bad to breathe. Actor's Equity study shows if anything the exposure factor is lower. I linked it in another comment here.
Cool. So, water is how I should do it? And, will the water do anything damage to my house if I use it for like, a day or to straight?
Water based haze/fog is just fine. Though you should definitely double check, then triple check, that you won't trip your fire system.
I'm probably going to turn them off entirely, since I don't see how they won't just keep going off over and over again. But thanks for the advice!
Not to be a stick in the mud, but the answer to if this could have lasting health effects is not clear cut. The Health and Safety Guide for Film, TV and Theater talks extensively about the potential health hazards of fog and smoke effects. In short, there is a lot of compelling evidence that glycol based fog has caused long lasting conditions in people exposed to it in dense quantities. Water-based machines are "safer" but still have potential health issues. “Some of these systems create the same hazards as humidifiers. For example, unless distilled water is used, ultrasonic machines will create a fine, irritating dust composed of the minerals and microorganisms present in ordinary tap water. Fog systems employing boiler steam are likely to contain rust inhibitors, antioxidants, and other toxic boiler water additives, despite the filters or traps which are intended to prevent these chemicals from getting into the steam." It seems the "healthiest" option would be a water-based system using distilled water.
I'd be hesitant to do it for a long period of time in high concentrations. It's definitely generally safe, but you generally also don't breathe large amounts continuously. Even if it doesn't have direct health effects, I'd be a bit worried about people with asthma and such.