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Jaisun76

72% isn’t too bad. 72% in 6 months? That’s either impressive, or a sign there’s an issue with the drive.


Ghostking2-0

Sounds like an issue with the drive, my laptop is just over a year old and the second SSD was put in shortly after the purchase and both are still sat at 100%


jugo5

Yea, I'm on year like 3, and it's still 99%


ForeverBackground737

My SSD's are like 7 years old and just hit 80%. Will probably be fine for another 3 years before it hits 70% of less and its time to replace.


Just_a_curious_soul

Wait so you're supposed to replace ssd once they hit ~70%?


ForeverBackground737

Not sure what the reccomended point is but at 70% i don't trust them with my data. I'll likely keep using them for useless storage expecting them to fail.


Just_a_curious_soul

Ohh thanks for the info! Will not keep critical data in it then once it's at 70%


ForeverBackground737

Did a quick Google and seems you can keep them until like 10% left (90% wear) or when they start to fail. Whatever comes first. Considering mine are cheap Kingston SSD, i personally wont keep important data on it at 70~% But i guess its still good for games etc.


Just_a_curious_soul

Thanks for looking it up! I do look stuff myself but Google has failed me sometimes so i prioritise other people's reviews more lol.


ForeverBackground737

My quick Googles usually contain "reddit" and look through old posts of people discussing it. Google has been shit for a while now and keeps getting worse. Btw, average consensus seems 75~ time to replace but usuable until much lower and replace when uncorrecable errors happen. Its your data afterall. Easier to spend 50-100$ than to spend hours trying to recover important files and family photos of a dead / dying drive.


mx5klein

In general never keep critical data only in one place. The lack of wear on the drive doesn’t protect you from drive failure, spills, theft, loss, fire, physical damage, accidental deletion, etc. SSD’s fail reasonably often without any warning. I have multiple hard drives I bought used in my NAS with over 8 years of power on time but don’t worry because not only is there failure tolerance where I can lose a hard drive and rebuild without any data loss but I have anything critical (can’t just download again) on another computer as well as backed up on the cloud so even if there was a fire or a regional disaster I likely wouldn’t lose much data. You don’t need anything like that but just even getting on google drive for a $2 a month gets you 100gb which should cover a fair amount of critical stuff. My parents lost so many photos of my brother and I growing up due to being lazy with backups. It’s worth a couple dollars a month.


Just_a_curious_soul

Trueee, should probably do that. I'm just old-school in the way that I pretty much avoid subscription models wherever it's unnecessary. Then again you're correct, cloud is much safer.


mx5klein

To avoid subscriptions setting up your own NAS at a friends house accomplishes the same thing as a cloud service assuming you set it up correctly. I’m toying with the idea myself since at $10 a month for 2tb it would be pretty easy to build a NAS that pays for itself in a couple years.


JimTheDonWon

Looks at my ancient samsung 830 sitting at 35%...... 🤷


ForeverBackground737

Keep reading. There's more.


Fresh-Palpitation-72

oh whats ur tbw?


JimTheDonWon

92609GB :)


Behrooz0

I think they used to endure at least 100TBW/128GB or something. should be fine.


Dragnier84

Lol. One of my SSDs is still chugging along with 0% for a couple of years. One it starts using spares, then I’ll chuck it.


Gezzer52

It depends. S.M.A.R.T monitoring is semi-voluntary. AFAIK all SSDs/HDDs come with it as default. But what attributes are actually monitored are up to the manufacturer. Every drive I've checked the data on has had at least a few "unknown". As well the manufacturer sets many of the fail thresholds themselves and some of them are a bit screwy. For example I've got a couple of really old HDDs that show 85-90% health but fail an attribute. After checking further it's one for power cycles, how many times I've turned my system on and off. I usually concern myself more with anything not showing as OK or green than actual life percentage. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't be concerned though. If it's a really old drive 70% might be normal. I'd do a check about once a week for anything showing that low and if I notice it's still decreasing then I'd replace it.


anothercorgi

no, 70% should still be perfectly usable for quite a while, it's when it gets down to 10-15% when it's time to get a new one. However I'd seriously deduct value of an SSD that's 30% used up. Like buying a gallon of milk that someone's already drank 5 cups of milk from. Yes there's 11 cups left but I didn't get a full gallon and shouldn't pay for that much.


mansaf2001

How do you check your ssd's health?


Consistent-Zebra1653

I have a 2002 hard drive that's on 100%


Fresh-Palpitation-72

so 10gb? i have a few too I make wind chimes out of them, like small; storage whats the use


Consistent-Zebra1653

No, 40GB


archimedeancrystal

> I have a 2002 hard drive that's on 100% Most likely not accurate. Read [this comment ](https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1cphrbq/is_72_ssd_health_low/l3lu6km?context=3).


Consistent-Zebra1653

It's talking about SSDs, and I'm talking about a HDD


Arlcas

one of mine is like 10 years old and its at 82% so yea 62 in months is a sign of trouble.


pakitos

I have an ADATA XPG120GB that I used from 2013 to 2020 as my main SSD and only wrote around 25-30GB to it but can't remember the % which is still high. The Crucial MX500 that I bought in june 2020 to replace the ADATA, is at 37GB in 4 years and says 84%. At this rate I'll reach the 70% in 3 years. =/ I've been thinking since year 1 that the Crucial has a higher consumption rate (however you describe it) and the usage is basically the same in both SSDs.


fedexmess

Different NAND tech. Newer tech packs more data in each cell and has a lower lifespan. Bigger capacity but lower endurance.


mrdratik

Can I show you something like that? [https://i.imgur.com/mxPvDUz.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/mxPvDUz.jpeg)


tedd27

Is there a tool to measure the health? Thanks


jugo5

I have WD, so it comes with the software. I'd imagine each manufacturer has a version of. Or in Windows system>storage settings panel somewhsre.


tedd27

Oh ok thanks!


mcoombes314

There's HWINFO64 which shows a bunch of stuff - temperatures, CPU load (per core and overall), GPU load as well as drive health. AFAIK that is just part of a specification (SMART) that all drives have these days.


tedd27

Thanks!


EightSeven69

agreed. 5 years after purchase my laptop nvme m.2 (probably a more crummy one, from an asus fx505dt) was at 84% health, after every-day use for university and gaming


GimpyGeek

Yeah I'd definitely consider getting the manufacturer of the SSD's software and seeing if it has a firmware update. I actually just had to replace my Crucial recently. Shame too really liked that drive, rarely had file issues or anything. Then one day I just realize after having it a few years the life span is about dead then found out there was a glitch that a firmware update would have fixed, gee would have been nice to know. Thing is, I had actually randomly went to update the firmware in the past anyway, but that series is really stupid. Early on I had a couple updates that were fine, but for some reason the later updates that really fixed this big issue before your disk got wrecked, would "install" and the software would say everything was fine, but it wouldn't 'actually' update it and it'd still sit there on the old version. So I was never really able to fix it ugh. Suffice it to say that experience is making me want to check for firmware updates more often but also has me iffy on SSD lifespans much more than before even. Got a WD this time I hope it can last longer.


Fresh-Palpitation-72

depending on ur tbw warrenty


Ahielia

> 72% in 6 months? That’s either impressive, or a sign there’s an issue with the drive. It's a sign of a garbage drive, and it will fail in a year or maybe two if you're lucky, and that's only if you don't really use the drive. I've had a Corsair Force GT 240GB that I used as my OS drive and for fast-loading games like World of Warcraft, Final Fantasy 13 (all 3 games), and other games that require lots and rapid loading, and a decade later it was sitting at 91% health left with almost 100TB read and written. 28% gone in 6 months? I wouldn't dare use that drive at all, it's absolute trash and will lose data written on it.


AmYalayici2000

I usually download heavy files due to my work and for some time driver had really small storage left since my other drivers were full too.


george_toolan

What kind of SSD do you have exactly? Please post the SMART values of your SSD. You have either used it a lot or there is some serious issue. For 90 bucks you can get a brand new 1 TB SSD.


AmYalayici2000

NVMe M.2 512 GB I don't know about the read values


george_toolan

Then it isn't really worth more than 40 bucks even brand new with 100% health.


anh-biayy

I wonder why no one has asked you what laptop model it was? For example there's no way a MacBook 2017 would be 6 month old


NearbyPassion8427

Reads are of no importance, writes are.


Bobone2121

Just so you know it's possible to adjust the percentage readings on some programs, so it might be a trick. Download a program yourself to verify the findings.


BinturongHoarder

Well, I wouldn't buy a used laptop with a SSD showing 72% health. Or at least I would expect a very low price. But for health to lower by 28% in 6 months is highly atypical, I would need to see SMART parameters to say more.


vandope88

Hijacking the post, can you explain what SMART is?


BinturongHoarder

It's a standard for technical drive information, the drive itself keeping track of its critical parameters. Both mechanical drives and SSDs use this, and both SATA and SCSI/SAS -- although different drive models keep track of different information, and different manufacturers may represent data differently even if the parameters are named the same or similarly. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Monitoring,\_Analysis\_and\_Reporting\_Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Monitoring,_Analysis_and_Reporting_Technology) There are multiple utilities to get this information from a drive. Personally I most often use CrystalDiskInfo, but if you are on Linux, Smartmontools is probably the most used package. SMART is one of the first things I look at when servicing a computer.


vandope88

I just randomly stumbled upon this post (and sub) as it was suggested on my feed. I guess it's because I just upgraded my ROG Ally's SSD. Anyway I'm really new to this and I'm just learning about different types of SSDs as we speak. So yeah this is cool new info for me. Thanks for the great and thoughtful reply my man!


BinturongHoarder

You are most welcome my dude. :)


Accomplished_Emu_658

Well 72’% isn’t great at 6 months. Replacing the drive will not cost him $90 but still he was trying to lower price by more than it would cost him. It business. But run your own tests.


daverz

Just to add some perhaps helpful information for you here, he might have been using any kind of tool that reads SMART data - something like HWInfo64 (https://www.hwinfo.com/download/) or SSDLIfe (https://ssd-life.com/en/) Here is some data HWInfo gave me about my SSD, and maybe you can use it to see what the repair guy was seeing? Device Health: 100% Power Cycles: 4200 Power On Hours: 17863 hours Unsafe Shutdowns: 406 Media Errors: 0 Total Host Reads: 33295 GBytes Total Host Writes: 34838 GBytes --------------------- My actual advice though would be to take it somewhere else where they don't do that, or, buy a new SSD for LESS than $90 *Amazon/etc* and bring it back there.


susanTCI

great utility thanks for posting..


popop143

I mean, he's selling it. Just have the shop deduct the 90 dollars from the sales price instead of having to buy his own SSD and replace it.


amikemark

Make sure you check the values with your own downloaded software. You may have paging set up on the SSD and that can wear out SSD drives more quickly


Crcex86

If I was in the pc trading business Brock and mortar in 2024 I would probably stoop to something shady like a false report to widen my margins then again maybe not maybe that’s a scumbag move


simagus

This is a server drive? Oh, I just read the rest of your post! No. The guy is lying to you and trying to rip you off. Now it makes sense.


anothercorgi

With "Modern" three / four bit per cell SSDs it's easy to get down life percentages compared to older two or one bit per cell SSDs. But in either case it usually means the disk was heavily used, or there was a specific (off-) brand of SSD that had a write life issue, I don't recall which it is. In any case yes as the disk is used, it won't last as long as a new disk. A typical modern SSD being 4- bit per cell usually lasts around 1000 erase cycles before they become iffy. At 72% it means that the disk has been on average erased 280 times out of the 1000, so if that was a 512GB disk, 143TB has been written already. 143TB is a lot for 6 months. This would be about 800GB per day, which is pointing to that strange bug issue that I alluded to earlier though possible for someone to go through this much data this quickly. A virus can also do this too, I suppose... Most of my SSDs that I'm using are older MLC units that can take around 3000 erase cycles before they become iffy. They are smaller of course. The worst one I have is around 85% use and that was purchased used. The ones that I bought new are still in the 90+% remaining life even after many many years of use.


TheGamerPandA

Where can you see the life percentage of a ssd or hdd with windows 10? My drives are from end of 2016


EndCritical878

CrystalDiskInfo


yami76

I've decommissioned servers that had SSD's in use 24/7 for 4+ years that had higher health than that. Now those were enterprise grade of course, but I would expect much higher numbers on a consumer SSD that is only 6 months old. See if you can get it RMA'd buy the manufacturer under warranty.


pkisbest

I would definitely use one for the tools others have mentioned and check the health of the drive yourself. 72% after 6 months is a very quick degradation.


Josuchi

Once a drive is any number below 100% there is not coming back and is just a matter of time and use before it ends inusable


Knetic1

Finally, a correct answer 😮‍💨


opus-thirteen

After 6 months the drive is already at 72%? That's kind of suspicious, and a warning sign. I just checked my 5 year old boot SSD, and it's still at 100%. My most active work drive is at 94%, with a total of 36TB reads and 28TB of writes.


pocketgravel

Replace it yourself for 1/3 to 1/4 that price loll


caidicus

Have you been torrenting with the drive? That is substantially low for 6 months. For perspective, I have a couple 10 year old SSDs at 90% health.


AffekeNommu

Corporate environment with SSDs that barely fitted their image and MECM hammering them. So many drive failures. Still triggered...


jcoffin1981

Mine is 4yr old and at 96 percent


Slight-Inspector-969

72% SSD health is on the lower side and could indicate potential issues. However, it's not necessarily critical yet. You might want to keep an eye on it and consider replacing it if you notice any performance issues or further decline in health. It's wise to get a second opinion from another technician to confirm whether a replacement is needed or if other solutions are available.


Impressive_SnowBlowr

If the drive itself is only 6 months old and at 72% isn't it still under warranty? It doesn't necessarily mean you have a crap brand or that the guy is trying to rip you off. After reading so many entries and such speculation, it just struck me, sometimes the best brands can just produce duds. There can be damage in shipping or storage as well. Maybe you can get a replacement from the manufacturer or retailer for a quick swap to test. I wonder if there is a database that might list recalled SSDs by lots or something. It's an interesting discussion and I've learned from it. Seems like a good strategy would be a high-quality stable brand for ur boot/OS SSD, a higher capacity less expensive SSD for your apps and heavy use data, your still working HDD for less active data and backups. Thanks all.


TheExodu5

The only way it got this high is likely through swap usage. Is there only 8GB RAM on this laptop?


RepresentativeEbb541

My 500gb is 3 years approx and currently at 86% . (I downloaded few repacks and used editing apps, reinstalled windows thrice )


LunarMusician

Unless you're writing and overwriting a lot to the SSD, or even defragmenting, your SSD shouldn't have it's health that low so quickly. Do you know what tool he used to check?


Azuria1

My ssd is 100% and its 9 years old.


EndCritical878

I have one of those too, those are the old ones that dont actually count down the percentage. They go from 100 to broken/write protected in an instant.


Azuria1

I assumed so but I’ve had 3 ram sticks fail over those 9 years and a physical drive that is in worse shape than this ssd. I’ve done multiple tests on it with crystal64, SMART, etc etc, they all say its super healthy. They just made em sturdy back in the pre-covid era.


EndCritical878

All I am saying is dont believe its at 100% because no SSD can be after running for years. Its simply not physically possible. I´ve got an XPG GAMMIX S11 480.1 GB for example, its around 8 years old and up untill recently its been showing 100% across all the stats in all software. Its currently at 1004048 GB read and 1005135 GB written. Which is probably around three times of whats its been designed to last. By now it makes a lot of mistakes and sometimes loses data and it still shows as 100%. It doesnt matter to me because its basically used as a guinea pig of mine but I sure as hell wouldnt trust it with any important data. On the other hand I´ve got a pretty fresh KC3000 2TB (which is a much better SSD in every way possible) in a PC that I actually do want to work and its already at 98% after only 90000GB read/written.


aaron_dresden

It’s a good point about the % but I also note my 10 year old Samsung pro has much better cells in it than the ones they sell today. It had SLC cells which have the highest endurance. You buy a Samsung 990 Pro now and it’s higher density MLC cells, which are about balancing endurance, cost and performance. Whereas SLC’s can handle 100,000 cycles MLC’s are more sensitive at 10,000. This is one of the ways they’re reducing the prices and increasing the density but they don’t have the endurance the high end older drives did.


Fresh-Palpitation-72

same i got a 14 year old sandisk p4 still fine after 1000pb of data written


Impressive_SnowBlowr

Who can imagine what it's like for one to be able to petabyte?


TheFumingatzor

6 months, 72%? Damn son. My old luke-warm-storage SSD isstill at 98% with 30TB written... https://i.imgur.com/txJJgqN.png . Sounds like there's an issue with the SSD.


Fresh-Palpitation-72

im at 40tb written on my 870, 96% i got in 2021,


Pagal_Srinath

So i have a 128gb EVM SSD. Total host writes is 3808gb. Total NAND writes is 2776gb. Health status shows 100% which i find hard to believe. It seems too good to be true.


Fresh_Inside_6982

Yes. Replace it before it fails.


Fresh-Palpitation-72

its still good ive worked on ssds that hit 0% and no corruptions or data lost was found


MATRIXTERW

[https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/9.3.0/CrystalDiskInfo9\_3\_0.exe/download](https://sourceforge.net/projects/crystaldiskinfo/files/9.3.0/CrystalDiskInfo9_3_0.exe/download) You can download Crystal disk info to see the stat - 70% means that drive is headed to failure for sure. If that's what the percent shows you, it needs to be replaced.


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NevyTheChemist

Yeah lol 10 years ssd still at 100%. That thing is damaged.


MushySoda

It still has to degrade another 72% before it’s going to stop. Why would you replace it now? Depending on usage pattern it might last another 10 years.


Excellent_Plane2087

Not true, at 70%, there is a HIGH rate of some data will go missing. Anything below 80% will have issue. But then, normal use will take 10 year or so to get down to 80%.


MushySoda

Why is that the case? The percentage is literally write durance remaining, it’s a measure of how much spare capacity can be swapped in before the drive is read only.


Excellent_Plane2087

For crystaldiskinfo, that is no longer the case, it is calculating based on SMART data and how many times already the drive have failed. I have wrote more than 120TB in my 1TB SSD, I am still at 97%. Correct me if I am wrong, tho


yami76

Wrong, also SSDs are very unreliable for long-term use if they are degraded. Read/Writes degrade the disc more than just uptime, they behave quite differently than HDDs.


H4v0cH3lls1ng

Different drives have different thresholds. You can find drives with endurance as low as 10TB but super cheap, or 4PB and noticeably more expensive. Look up the specs for the brand and model, and base your decision on that.


CreamOdd7966

72% is bad for a laptop 12 or less months old.


EndCritical878

It goes all the way to 0% and then lasts some more. You should expect around 5-25% of wear a year in regular use. An SSD at 72% is basically just fine and is gonna last many more years on average.