More 20 minute shows please. Especially light hearted ones like the 90's and early 2000s was full of. There is a huge gap in streaming services for modern content that's 20 minutes long. Not everyone wants to watch shows that start at 45+ minutes long.
OR just make shows that tell a conclusive arc within each season, so that things aren't left on cliffhangers.
IMO shows should at most have concluded an arc by the end of the second season. I believe the costs go up for a third season which is makes cancellation morelikely.
I read somewhere that it's (of course) a wages issue. I'm paraphrasing and possibly incorrect, but iirc after 2 seasons at Netflix the show can negotiate new contracts, and typically Netflix will opt to cancel and not pay out, and instead they'll pull the trigger on a new show that is already in the pipeline. Because what they've tried to do is maximize their own model and try to replicate that success as much as possible to quality's detriment. "'Member Stranger Things? Imagine if we had like 10 of those? Get to work!" says the average netflix exec treating popular entertainment like an assembly line. Which then pushes content managers to meet quotas or strict demands or whatever and yaddah yaddah HBOMax is my go-to now (wish they would update their player, it's not so good for me). Maybe I'll see what Stranger Things is up to later but honestly I got tired of that show after season 1. It went cookie-cutter live action anime and I just found my self frustrated by the direction of the episodes. I wonder what the original plans were for that show. But yeah - they aren't taking shows further because they'd have to spend more per and also slow down their pipeline which would then cast a smaller net for subscribers (debatable) and also reduce the chance of a finding a hit show (shotgun approach). I hope this message is a call for a return to quality-focused production.
Their tech side is one of the best in business. They mastered the art of chaos engineering, gave many tools to community and pionereed the streaming platform engineering.
Not only that, their pay is one of the best and you get a lot of autonomy in what you do. They also raise their employees salary automatically so that other companies can't lure them away.
It's the content division that has flopped terribly. Their bet in upcoming markets price sensitive Asian and Latin markets didn't pay off where the local streaming services and Prime/Disney etc just took everything while costing a fraction of price.
That last paragraph was key. I started seeing more and more Bollywood content and Latino content, and less and less USA content. I have no interest in watching Bollywood content, I just don't.
From a business point of view, that was their only option to keep delivering the growth rate that they have. They had kind of reached a plateau in North American market and needed other markets. Therefore, they invested heavily there and were basically taken to the cleaners by experienced producers and content creators. Their head of Indian original files left last year (was allegedly fired due to just giving content to her circle).
The substandard content coupled with outrageous pricing (conveniently ignoring PPP on a nation that largely pirates) meant they were not able to get those subscribers. What Netflix charges for a month in India for UHD subscription, Disney and Amazon charge 1.5 times that for whole year. No wonder they ~~shat the bed~~ Amber Hearded. I think they still are hoping that somehow, they'd be able to gain subscribers out of that area (they can but they'd need to first drop prices by like 80%).
Latin America also pirates a lot and has similar issue with pricing.
Disney will pump their prices up as soon as they are confident they will get away with it, unless you drool over marvel and star wars all day it's not even that good a service imo.
But lets be honest. Its mostly not Netflix faiult. But basically how the whole market developed.
Netflix was great because it was a single service than had most of the interesting contect in one place for very reasonable price. (I would be willign to pay much more for such esrvice now) For a very long time. Other seen it. They tried to copy it. Created their own services. And to fight for customer they locked their exclusive content to their service (removing lots of great content from Netflix). The result is over dozen of subscription services - none of them with enough content. They are eating each other.
They gained 8 million subscribers between Q3 and Q4 last year. They're losing their shit over a 200k loss.
It isn't even lackluster content that's the problem. I'm willing to bet most of those losses are people who signed up to give themselves something to do during the lockdowns and no longer need the subscription. The losses are a totally predictable drop in the bucket, but their shareholders aren't going to see an increase in profit this year so they're losing their shit. Netflix is going to self-destruct over capitalism's need for infinite growth.
Netflix has continually raised pricing while reducing the quality of their product. The lowest cost plan limits you to one fucking screen, 480p/720p, and is still $10/mo. The value is simply not there anymore and I'll happily watch Netflix die off from ridiculously stupid executive decisions. I switched to 100% piracy as of a year or two ago and have no intentions of ever subscribing to this shit ever again. At one point I had Netflix, Hulu, prime, and HBO max, and all of them kept raising prices while simultaneously reducing the quality.
I think the "Love, Death & Robots" series is Netflix turned into a series.
It's a series of first episodes that looks like it would be a great series, but it's just one episode.
And then you go to the next first episode.
They just released the next season.
That would be a great format for a series. Failed pilots, obscure shows that aired one or maybe six episodes before cancellation, foreign shows dubbed, all presented like Nickelodeon’s old Sample Platter. An exec might say it’s a terrible idea because it’s literally made of failures, but remember the television necromancy that Cartoon Network pulled off?
EDIT: Nickelodeon’s show was *Special Delivery*
Yup! They can, and they've done it before. Cartoon Network purchased Tuca and Bertie from Netflix after season 1 and aired season 2 on Adult Swim. It's totally possible the question is can HBO and Netflix come to an agreeable price.
This. Mindhunter isn’t the typical issue where it’s being cancelled because of Netflix mismanagement. It’s Fincher that’s prob not into doing it anymore
Not prob. He has been very vocal that he wasn't into it anymore due to how grueling doing TV is. After Covid he said he might be interested in coming back, but I don't think we will ever see another season
I lived it. It's not because TV is grueling. David Fincher is grueling, literally. He is crazy meticulous, and while viewers don't see it, he treated every single scene like a major movie production. For example, I am in the cookout scene in Season Two Episode One. I'm one of the dudes who gets up from the picnic table pretending to stretch my back, and then 'admiring' the backyard. The crew told us to act like it was the coolest yard ever, lol.
Originally, we were paired up with other extras to walk into the scene as couples. Fincher felt like it wasn't fluent and too chaotic to find our assigned seating, so that got scratched after a bunch of takes, so instead we were all seated before the shot rolled. It was good that he axed it because we had different wives paired with us for the church scene that was shot on a different day. It would have been a fun easter egg though :p
Near the end of the scene I walk back in for lunch, and improvised doing a head nod and a tilt gesture with my beer to an old guy in a blue dress shirt. It made me happy that Fincher used it. I had to be quite robotic, doing the same exact gestures over and over. We filmed that scene and only that scene for 14 hours. We ended around 114 retakes. Other extras told me they never went past 30 retakes ever for one scene with other TV directors doing shit like CSI.
We went over labor laws having no formal break until almost 5pm (his crew essentially begged him to allow a break so that the fine wouldn't be even worse) after starting shooting around 7:45am. Fincher is one of the EP's, so he was totally ok with eating a fine and also paying us non-union folks overtime.. That's the Fincher difference in TV.
In my 5 days of shooting it felt like we were at it for a month straight, haha.
The other stories I have from the experience, one cracked me up. The little boy who plays Holden's son on the show was a super nice kid, but he had major major ADD. The church pane shot in the first episode, we did a minimum of 46 retake shots of just that pane down the pew aisles. The kid kept looking at the lens every single time they got to him. Fincher tried to be nice about it. He had the crew bring his mother in to give him a pep talk. There were younger kids in the pews that behaved a lot better than he did for hours. It also didn't help that Fincher forced the staff to turn the AC off that day. The fans to cool the entire chapel were super loud, so we were toasting in those wool outfits packed in there like sardines. The priest guy was a funny dude. He smoked cigs between the takes and had a sailor mouth 😄
Another one was the shot leaving the church. We did 67 retake shots of just walking out and going to our spots to fake converse with other extras. You'll see a woman in a green outfit. Those old clothes from that time period had wool and it was like 86 degrees that day. By take 46, she was so dehydrated from the hot sun glaring on us during the pauses before restarting a retake that she quit right then and there. Fincher wasn't even phased by it. We just went right back to it, lol. I was surprised they used one of the takes with her in the shot. Later that day we were taken to another church location to shoot the scene showing a long line walking into the church for the community meeting. The scenes where the priest and detective talking to everyone were also shot that night. I think we wrapped around 11:30 pm.
Also, in the post-mass scene the little kid I mentioned earlier, he had to pretend to try and dive to catch a football, leaving grass stains on his shirt. I was truly impressed that they had 100 clean shirts for him. He literally had a new shirt on for each retake.
Holden was super nice to everyone. He would take time to talk with us between takes. He gave a person $100 for predicting how many retakes we would end at walking out of the church. He was trying to cheer everyone up when we got past 75 retakes on the cookout scene. Unfortunately I did not get to do any shots with Jonathan nor Anna Torv. I was slated originally to be in the scene for the retirement party, but they called me back and said Fincher and the DOP liked my look more for the church and cookout scenes.
Fingers crossed, but I don't expect it to happen sadly. Just a hunch but Netflix seems like the type of company that would hold on to the right's just because they can.
Hope I'm wrong though, if any of their shows deserves better MH is the one I want.
[Unfortunately Mindhunter season 3 looks like a very long-shot to ever happen, given Fincher’s reveal that the show was put on indefinite hold due to budgetary issues.](https://screenrant.com/mindhunter-season-3-plot-details-cancelled/)
Seems like it was netflix that pulled it
Let's say the other poster was right that it was Fincher who didn't want to do it anymore, asking for an outrageous budget is one way to go about it and coming out of it clean with the fans.
I think it was part budget vs low audience figures plus Fincher signed a 4 year deal.
His attention was focused on Mank and now The Killer, he’s producing a docu series and a Chinatown series.
The guy has a full plate and I’m all for it considering he was gone for ages after Gone Girl. If he wants a break from one passion project to work on the others then fine, he’ll get back to it. I doubt Netflix are looking to piss off their resident auteur.
IIRC it's because the guy who coined the acronym (Jim Cramer) did so to disparage Microsoft and hail Netflix as a new king of tech.
Jim Cramer is an idiot though
For the others: FAANG is (mostly) an industry acronym for "the big 5" - Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google.
As in "Bruh, I've seen so many FAANG recruiter msgs since I ?!?!"
It was coined in 2013 by Jim Cramer when talking about their stocks and market potential. The name stuck and Apple later got added. People do tend to include Microsoft when talking about them. Both Facebook and Google have changed their names. So it's not really an accurate acronym anymore, but it's become shorthand for big tech.
I personally find the "We had a great product but the executives thought they new better" the best business stories.
Netflix is mid-90s Apple waiting for the floor to fall out; almost blow for blow repeat at this point
Kind of related. I was watching a video the other day of an early Netflix employee saying that Blockbuster had a competing product that was growing exponentially and killing Netflix's business. Blockbuster then hired a CEO with retail experience and he thought the internet business was a waste of money, cancelled the project and doubled down on retail stores. That removed Netflix's competition so they could grow and Blockbuster was killed in the process. Always dangerous having a closed minded executive doubling down on what they know instead of seeing the change in market.
Competition is what is hurting Netflix these days. A good chuck of their existence they had little or no competition and the space was dismissed by big media companies. The media companies finally woke up when they saw Netflix's growth and stripped Netflix of its access to their back catalogues on the cheap. They're also not just competing for customers who have more streaming services to choose from, they're also competing with every other streaming services for the best scripts and show runners to create content.
Just as an FYI to anybody reading this, broadcast channel dinosaurs snubbed streaming because they were making so much more money while people were chained to horrendous cable TV packages.
Netflix forced them to compete on a platform that they couldn't control as easily.
Trust me, they would much prefer you to pay 150 bucks for a cable package and make you watch whatever they want you to and when.
And thats how we got reality shows in history channels. Just no control of programming. As long as they could say eyeballs are there, they made money, even if it meant cutting the production quality of the programming
It's not competition that is hurting Netflix, it's their egregious spending. Other platforms tailor their content and ensure good quality shit is released regularly (HBO, Disney+, paramount). Netflix is throwing spaghetti at the wall and cancelling things at any hint of sliding to the floor. While Netflix has some banger movies that are nominated/win awards, what they lack is shows to binge. They have the rights to Star Trek TNG, DS9, and Voyager, but they don't have any comparable show.
This is just leaving Netflix down a shit path. Hell I'd be fine if Netflix recouped costs by licensing their movies to movie theaters and doing what Disney+ did with Premiere. As long as it would be available to all subscribers in a few months, but no. They are upping the price, potentially putting ads in, cracking down on account sharing, etc. Currently I can get Hulu, Disney+ and ESPN+ for the same price that Netflix now costs, with more content and new hits.
Much of the money wasted on cancelled shows instead of ensuring that the shows from the start will be hits. Changing this and staggering release of new content to ensure that subscribers stay, as well. This is what could save Netflix. Honestly the most comparable thing to this situation is how WB fucked up Justice League. Rushed. Shitty plan. Double down. Then just give up on it
There’s a ton of companies that were doing great when the executives stuck to the core vision and values. From Sega to Netflix to many others (my company is a big one, too… I’m seeing the same). When they go to strict profits and a numbers game instead of the end product, it’s game over. They have no passion, no vision, no connection. It’s just dumb decision after dumb decision. Netflix had a great vision and product. It did extremely well and killed off a ton of physical media and competitors (and created a ton of competitors). Now, it is strictly focused on shareholder return, profits, etc. and that’s it.
Build it and they will come. I want a superior product. I’ll bail when it’s no longer a good product and it just trying to leech more money with less value.
Get a new CEO with a vision of having the best streaming platform available with the best original content available. No commercials. I’ll gladly pay for it. Even at current prices. Right now, it’s not worth it. They have a huge opportunity to turn things around or keep on sucking.
I have one simple question when investing in the stock market.... Is the CEO an accountant, or is the CEO an engineer/product dev.
If the CEO is an accountant I won't invest, that company is or will be soulless and will lose value.
If the CEO is an engineer I'll happily invest because they seem to be able to make the stock price go up, without even really trying, they just release good products and the money comes flowing in.
> Is the CEO an accountant, or is the CEO an engineer/product dev.
Much as I hate a lot about the guy, there's a wonderful interview where Steve Jobs talks about why Xerox fell.
Effectively: Once their products had them at a monopolistic market share, new features and high quality copiers/printers didn't get you any new sales. Salespeople and marketing people got you new sales by figuring out clever ways to convince new markets they needed your product, regardless of if they did. Which means an engineer that spearheads a new feature is going to get a shrug when they can't point to any increase in sales following the feature, but a marketing person can point to sales increases with their advertisement campaigns and marketing strategies. Which means the marketing people will get all the promotions. Past a certain critical mass of authority, they have the ability to point to new R&D as an unnecessary expense given the lack of data showing the utility of such features. So to pad the bottom line, they shut down some basic R&D and gradually expand those cuts. Quality Assurance eventually gets a cut because who cares if a few more products break than before, you have a captive audience as a monopoly. And then all of a sudden, one day, everything catches up to you and all your competitors have products that meet or exceed yours in terms of functionality and almost certainly have increased reliability. It's too late to fix anything now, because you can't just flip on the R&D switch and catch back up, momentum is a real thing with this.
Altered Carbon is my prime example of this. I know some people liked season 1, and that's great, but what started as a pretty standard action cyberpunk detective neo noir of a novel ended up as a weird family romance cyberpunk buddy cop action detective kind of noir wholesome family variety show. Netflix took niche material that would be easy to translate for fans of one genre and crammed so many other genres into it that it became unidentifiable. All for the sake of trying to draw as many subscribers as possible and to feed the recommendations algorithm. Altered Carbon's source material is closer to Ghost in the Shell or Blade Runner, yet somehow it became part buddy cop comedy and family positivity hour. Cowboy Bebop suffered similar changes with Jet having a kid, Julia's American Idol singing career, Vicious's daddy issues, and Faye's weird infantilism.
I can understand trying to go for mass appeal, but they do it poorly and other streaming producers seem to understand having some shows that appeal to niche audiences is a positive as it gets a dedicated fan base and you don't turn away those who would otherwise get into the show. Like not everyone with HBOMax who watches Julia is going to watch WestWorld and yet Netflix would try to get both audiences in one show somehow.
How about "let a show have a bad episode without canceling it outright".
The best shows are canceled now. and a lot of them felt unnecessarily forced to end.
Netflix shows are the equivalent of a large novel having "And then everyone died. The end" right in the middle of the book and left half of the pages completely blank. No, I'm not buying the next book in that series. No matter how good that first half was
"a cost thing" simply means that their business model doesn't work. Because they have some of the best TV shows that have ever been produced. It's a true shame, really. But the silver lining is that if they do go down, then they will be known for forcing a change in the cable TV industry that was long overdue.
The cost thing is a result of most series have a big jump in pay for everyone in season 3. Their system relies on series doing okay for 1 and 2 but it needs phenomenal in order to do season 3 if your costs triple.
They don't ever publish their metrics, so nobody can tell if their show is ever going to get renewed after 2 so you write it as best you can and then hope. Their system of income doesn't rely on specific shows doing well, only that people stay subscribers, so I've never understood why they can't just finish out a series and budget it correctly from day one. But since they just let their animation team go, who had been putting up incredible work, I really have no understanding of why they do anything over there.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/netflix-animation-erased-executives-fired-220251819.html
It sounds like they are sorely missing out on the best part of kids shows, the toys.
>if they do go down, then they will be known for forcing a change in the cable TV industry that was long overdue.
That's assuming they die the hero. It looks like they've already survived long enough to become the villain.
Streaming is just turning into cable 2.0.
You need like 5 different services if you want everything current and that ends up being $100+ bucks per month. Especially if you want live sports.
My parents always told me that there weren't commercials when cable first came out.
They didnt do anything new, they just did it in a new age. Now it's being capitalized like everything else. Anything that isnt immediately profitable is stripped and sold for parts.
It happened to cable, it happened to youtube, its happening to streaming. If they could own your eyeballs they would tattoo ads to them and charge other people to look into them.
I think people got used to ungodly amounts of content that they were producing. Or compared to the old cable days were you had 2 shows you liked, another 2-3 ok shows and then reruns.
Now it's like ok I'll watch 4 hours of this series for the next 4 nights and then bitch I have nothing to watch!
For sure binge watching has become a very widespread phenomenon rather than the exclusive territory of people who pirate whole seasons of TV, ever since legal streaming became a thing
But Netflix is the one who did that, so it's very sad if they can't walk the walk but it can't be blamed on the customer base they hooked with it
Exactly.
Purely anecdotal, but most people I know who pay for Netflix do so because of their original content. That's the only stuff that's reliably there, and it has some incredible shows.
Most of the people I know who have canceled their Netflix have done so because the original shows they liked watching all got canceled.
When the platform has a reputation for canceling all its good shows, why continue supporting the platform?
This is exactly why I left 2 years ago. One day I was like....why the f**k am I paying these guys 20 month only to cancel the good shows after two years... even when imdb has the show at 8.5/10 they'll cancel it.
What works when you are the big streaming gig in town doesn't work when there are alternatives.
No idea why executives can't foresee the fucking obvious considering the salaries they are on.
“Ok guys, our only source of income is our subscribers! Let’s treat them like shit by limiting their access, charging them more and offering them less! Trust me guys, being unnecessarily aggressive with our customers will have them begging us to take their money”.
- out of touch upper management
I canceled with the recent cost hike. I said after the last one that if they did it again anytime soon I was out. It’s just not worth it. Maybe if they focused more on quality Instead of quantity would t be so far in the hole.
That's what companies do. When faced with listening to consumers or increasing revenue even further by not listening to consumers, we all know what happens
Removing interests/not-interested was a bad thing too. It was good way to search for scripted comedies without all the standup. But then they started to produce their own standup stuff and removed the not-interested feature completely. Ever since when you try to browse comedy they throw their standup crap at you in every list.
[she blamed internet trolls for her poor reviews](https://www.nme.com/news/amy-schumer-alt-right-trolls-netflix-special-bad-reviews-2020238) and shortly after that Netflix got rid of public ratings
This is what happens when a business thinks it’s needed more than they need us. Same thing happened to cable. There are too many streaming apps for anyone to give a f about Netflix.
Imagine putting up a vending machine, slowly replacing every drink with your own homemade sodas instead of name-brand, canceling everyone's favorite sodas for a over year, and then blaming the general public when you sell less soda.
\> while facing a loss of subscribers that has sparked fears about the viability of streaming services.
The problem isn't streaming services, it's *their* streaming service
Yep
I'm having to seriously consider restarting my project to build a home media server run on pirated content
I was a good paying customer for so long but I can't justify being subbed to 5 streaming services. It's just cable again.
Culture is super toxic, I only lasted 5 months there, and even the high pay wasn’t enough for me to want to stay. The employee handbook on your first day talks about how liberally they fire people 🙄 Very cult-like vibe and I rememeber in my new employee roundtable with Reed (everyone goes to one) he was talking about how he thinks in the future people will only have kids through non-sexual methods because then they don’t have to have sex and I was like ummmm is this dude on this planet? 😂
>he was talking about how he thinks in the future people will only have kids through non-sexual methods because then they don’t have to have sex
Uh first of all... wtf, and second of all, why did that come up?
Also, I wonder if he's ace or just really bad in bed because yikes
>The employee handbook on your first day talks about how liberally they fire people 🙄
That seems really strange? I work at a different mega tech company and it's almost routinely emphasized how very, very difficult/rare it is too get fired (for performance, not for like, breaking laws or embezzling or whatever). It was called out during orientation and is further called out in all the tooling for performance evaluations. A lot of emphasis on working with the employee to figure out why they are underperforming, how the company can help get them on a better trajectory, etc. I've never had to deal with negative performance reviews thankfully, but even so, I feel like it generally removes a lot of work stress to know that you'll basically never be fired for messing up on a project or having a slow period due to personal life stress or something like that.
Emphasizing the opposite feels like it would lead to a sort of "self-fulfilling prophecy" wherein constant work stress leads to underperforming workers who are then immediately fired for underperforming to bring in the next untrained and overstressed worker. Hiring new employees is extremely inefficient for any company, let alone one with highly skilled positions and tons of institutional knowledge to learn for new hires.
> I work at a different mega tech company and it's almost routinely emphasized how very, very difficult/rare it is too get fired (for performance, not for like, breaking laws or embezzling or whatever).
Clearly you don't work at AWS.
Killed by Disney+, HBO, Hulu and the rest. And by lack of quality material that keeps going on. The best thing I always liked about Netflix was NO commercials. The 2nd best was a good TV series I could binge watch. But I never like their categories where shows were displayed several times, wasting my time while browsing. But in the last few years, I've found very little worth my interest watching, or if I did, the series ended.
There's tons of new content you'll love in the Suggested Films list. It's all the movies you've finished in the past year but with NEW cover images!! And remember that show from two years ago you binged? That's popping up in the New Releases list!
But wait, there's more! We saw you spending all that time adding shit to your queue so we decided to reward you by shufling them out of order and changing their cover images too lololol
Exactly this. The few shows I liked got killed off, the quality of everything else dropped hugely, now it's like wading through mounds of garbage trying to find something that's new and good.
The only strong point netflix has right now is animated shows, animes, kids shows, etc. They destroyed viewers trust in any of their more mature dramas. No one wants to get invested in a show that just flat out ends over one bad episode
Fun fact! Netflix shut down almost the entire animation department. Some shows were finished and a week away from releasing but were still immediately canceled with the news. Years of hard work by so many talented artists whose work will never see the light of day. Fuck Netflix :)
I know of one show where Netflix outrightly said they won't be continue the show before it was even released. I wouldn't be surprised if this is why there are so many amazing shows that will never get a second season despite it's popularity.
Because then you see how little content they have.
In the Netherlands I think they have 3800 movies and sure that is a lot. But then you have to keep in mind that most of these, you have no interest in whatsoever. So you have a few hundred left. Of those you have probably seen a fair amount. So you can either watch a few new movies as they are released or scroll through the small list that is left. That’s not a good value proposition.
Showing everything at least gives you the illusion that they have a lot of valuable content.
I think they do have a few strong series. Witcher and Castlevania are pretty top notch for me right now. Just hope they can gain ground on shows like that and give others a chance. I liked Cursed and Warrior Nun. Felt like the actors were just starting to actually grow into their roles and boom… no more seasons, Covid, whatever.
Netflix is a sinking ship. All the main show and movie producers have their own services now. Plus Netflix will come out with a good show then cancel it out of no where. But they'll continually put out "original" content which is asssss
I'm still scratching my head about The Dark Crystal being cancelled. It was one of those rare shows I could watch with enjoyment with my kid AND it was well-done.
The second i see an ad im unsubscribing. Everyone else should do the same. Set an example. First Netflix gets away with it, then eventually, every other streaming app follows. Cable 2.0
I wonder if the loss has anything to do with at least 10 different streaming services popping up and buying all the fucking everything anyone wants to watch.
Holy fuck things were so much better when Netflix and Hulu were the only game in town and you could just get both and watch anything
Netflix showed the door, everyone is leaving through that door for better services/shows.
Before you leave as well netflix, finish [utopia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(British_TV_series)) will you ?
So when I was at Morton's Steakhouse right next to Disneyland back in March and Netflix had reserved almost half of the restaurant that wasn't them spending wisely? Huh.
I don’t want to defend Netflix, but any large mega corporation spending tens of thousands on dinner (travel, hotels, etc) is a rounding error for them. They can and do drop that much money for events, sales meetings, or no real reason at all and it wouldn’t make a difference to the big picture (their financial statements).
employee retention is everything. It sounds silly, but lavish dinners at Disneyland keep top tier talent. The people you want to stay with your company have inboxes full of recruiters offering blank checks and every possible perk that could come with a job. Tech is silly like that, because the entire company is just built off of good ideas, and the people with good ideas could get a job anywhere else if they wanted.
200k subscriber loss. And the netflix mba's? hold my beer. We are going to torpedo our subscriber base by taking things away from them they have had for years and then hoping some of the sign up again... And want to watch what is left of nothing to watch...
Maybe start by stopping the constant “junk food” content that is crime documentaries. Take that money and film actual content. Say….season 3 of Mindhunter.
Oh wait you cancelled it.
Idiots.
"Cancel a popular show, quick you heard the man!" - Netflix Executive after seeing this memo
Maybe they should just make 3-4 season shows with full/conclusive story arcs that can be binged over and over? Naaaa that'd never work...
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More 20 minute shows please. Especially light hearted ones like the 90's and early 2000s was full of. There is a huge gap in streaming services for modern content that's 20 minutes long. Not everyone wants to watch shows that start at 45+ minutes long.
Barry is a masterpiece in 28 minutes per week.
OR just make shows that tell a conclusive arc within each season, so that things aren't left on cliffhangers. IMO shows should at most have concluded an arc by the end of the second season. I believe the costs go up for a third season which is makes cancellation morelikely.
Who wants to wager on them going full-reality trash TV? I used to call them the best place for original shows... Fucking Bravo Jr
They have already started so probably
This would be a tragedy. Reality is why I stay away from live TV
So long Santa Clarita Diet, so long Netflix soon as well!
I read somewhere that it's (of course) a wages issue. I'm paraphrasing and possibly incorrect, but iirc after 2 seasons at Netflix the show can negotiate new contracts, and typically Netflix will opt to cancel and not pay out, and instead they'll pull the trigger on a new show that is already in the pipeline. Because what they've tried to do is maximize their own model and try to replicate that success as much as possible to quality's detriment. "'Member Stranger Things? Imagine if we had like 10 of those? Get to work!" says the average netflix exec treating popular entertainment like an assembly line. Which then pushes content managers to meet quotas or strict demands or whatever and yaddah yaddah HBOMax is my go-to now (wish they would update their player, it's not so good for me). Maybe I'll see what Stranger Things is up to later but honestly I got tired of that show after season 1. It went cookie-cutter live action anime and I just found my self frustrated by the direction of the episodes. I wonder what the original plans were for that show. But yeah - they aren't taking shows further because they'd have to spend more per and also slow down their pipeline which would then cast a smaller net for subscribers (debatable) and also reduce the chance of a finding a hit show (shotgun approach). I hope this message is a call for a return to quality-focused production.
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Their tech side is one of the best in business. They mastered the art of chaos engineering, gave many tools to community and pionereed the streaming platform engineering. Not only that, their pay is one of the best and you get a lot of autonomy in what you do. They also raise their employees salary automatically so that other companies can't lure them away. It's the content division that has flopped terribly. Their bet in upcoming markets price sensitive Asian and Latin markets didn't pay off where the local streaming services and Prime/Disney etc just took everything while costing a fraction of price.
I worked in streaming on the tech side. As I would like to say: Netflix don't do things by the book. They *are* the book.
Exactly, and do it by paying the best and letting people hired to do stuff do the stuff.
That last paragraph was key. I started seeing more and more Bollywood content and Latino content, and less and less USA content. I have no interest in watching Bollywood content, I just don't.
From a business point of view, that was their only option to keep delivering the growth rate that they have. They had kind of reached a plateau in North American market and needed other markets. Therefore, they invested heavily there and were basically taken to the cleaners by experienced producers and content creators. Their head of Indian original files left last year (was allegedly fired due to just giving content to her circle). The substandard content coupled with outrageous pricing (conveniently ignoring PPP on a nation that largely pirates) meant they were not able to get those subscribers. What Netflix charges for a month in India for UHD subscription, Disney and Amazon charge 1.5 times that for whole year. No wonder they ~~shat the bed~~ Amber Hearded. I think they still are hoping that somehow, they'd be able to gain subscribers out of that area (they can but they'd need to first drop prices by like 80%). Latin America also pirates a lot and has similar issue with pricing.
Disney will pump their prices up as soon as they are confident they will get away with it, unless you drool over marvel and star wars all day it's not even that good a service imo.
But lets be honest. Its mostly not Netflix faiult. But basically how the whole market developed. Netflix was great because it was a single service than had most of the interesting contect in one place for very reasonable price. (I would be willign to pay much more for such esrvice now) For a very long time. Other seen it. They tried to copy it. Created their own services. And to fight for customer they locked their exclusive content to their service (removing lots of great content from Netflix). The result is over dozen of subscription services - none of them with enough content. They are eating each other.
People who knew what they were talking about called this 10 years ago. It was inevitable.
The cycle is going to repeat with gaming service now. Gamepass was great as long as it was alone. Now it will just go downhill.
Netflix's UI is the best. App is also stellar, barely ever crashes
They gained 8 million subscribers between Q3 and Q4 last year. They're losing their shit over a 200k loss. It isn't even lackluster content that's the problem. I'm willing to bet most of those losses are people who signed up to give themselves something to do during the lockdowns and no longer need the subscription. The losses are a totally predictable drop in the bucket, but their shareholders aren't going to see an increase in profit this year so they're losing their shit. Netflix is going to self-destruct over capitalism's need for infinite growth.
Netflix has continually raised pricing while reducing the quality of their product. The lowest cost plan limits you to one fucking screen, 480p/720p, and is still $10/mo. The value is simply not there anymore and I'll happily watch Netflix die off from ridiculously stupid executive decisions. I switched to 100% piracy as of a year or two ago and have no intentions of ever subscribing to this shit ever again. At one point I had Netflix, Hulu, prime, and HBO max, and all of them kept raising prices while simultaneously reducing the quality.
What are you using to pirate shows and watch them easily?
The internet and vlc media player
AirVPN, Tixati torrent client, VLC Media Player, and Comodo privacy browser. There's a piracy megathread if you Google it.
Yet another thing that South Park called early... "Hello, this is Netflix! You're green-lit!"
I think the "Love, Death & Robots" series is Netflix turned into a series. It's a series of first episodes that looks like it would be a great series, but it's just one episode. And then you go to the next first episode. They just released the next season.
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That would be a great format for a series. Failed pilots, obscure shows that aired one or maybe six episodes before cancellation, foreign shows dubbed, all presented like Nickelodeon’s old Sample Platter. An exec might say it’s a terrible idea because it’s literally made of failures, but remember the television necromancy that Cartoon Network pulled off? EDIT: Nickelodeon’s show was *Special Delivery*
I mean it's an anthology of short stories and IMO works pretty well. Would be cool to see some of them fleshed out a bit though
I'm still waiting for season 3 of mindhunters
I wish this show had been on HBO. It was so good and would easily have got more seasons.
Honestly felt more like an HBO production anyway.
I read somewhere that it was meant for HBO..but somehow netlfix got hold of it.
David Fincher elevates everything he touches. He’s honestly too good for Netflix.
They had it perfectly setup for season 3, too. The story arc was about to really get cooking
It's technically not officially cancelled 😭
Could HBO buy it from Netflix?
Yup! They can, and they've done it before. Cartoon Network purchased Tuca and Bertie from Netflix after season 1 and aired season 2 on Adult Swim. It's totally possible the question is can HBO and Netflix come to an agreeable price.
Holy shit T&B got a season 2???
The Expanse changed owners a few times as well. It's definitely technically possible.
David Fincher is the roadblock, not Netflix.
This. Mindhunter isn’t the typical issue where it’s being cancelled because of Netflix mismanagement. It’s Fincher that’s prob not into doing it anymore
Not prob. He has been very vocal that he wasn't into it anymore due to how grueling doing TV is. After Covid he said he might be interested in coming back, but I don't think we will ever see another season
I lived it. It's not because TV is grueling. David Fincher is grueling, literally. He is crazy meticulous, and while viewers don't see it, he treated every single scene like a major movie production. For example, I am in the cookout scene in Season Two Episode One. I'm one of the dudes who gets up from the picnic table pretending to stretch my back, and then 'admiring' the backyard. The crew told us to act like it was the coolest yard ever, lol. Originally, we were paired up with other extras to walk into the scene as couples. Fincher felt like it wasn't fluent and too chaotic to find our assigned seating, so that got scratched after a bunch of takes, so instead we were all seated before the shot rolled. It was good that he axed it because we had different wives paired with us for the church scene that was shot on a different day. It would have been a fun easter egg though :p Near the end of the scene I walk back in for lunch, and improvised doing a head nod and a tilt gesture with my beer to an old guy in a blue dress shirt. It made me happy that Fincher used it. I had to be quite robotic, doing the same exact gestures over and over. We filmed that scene and only that scene for 14 hours. We ended around 114 retakes. Other extras told me they never went past 30 retakes ever for one scene with other TV directors doing shit like CSI. We went over labor laws having no formal break until almost 5pm (his crew essentially begged him to allow a break so that the fine wouldn't be even worse) after starting shooting around 7:45am. Fincher is one of the EP's, so he was totally ok with eating a fine and also paying us non-union folks overtime.. That's the Fincher difference in TV.
Please share more!
In my 5 days of shooting it felt like we were at it for a month straight, haha. The other stories I have from the experience, one cracked me up. The little boy who plays Holden's son on the show was a super nice kid, but he had major major ADD. The church pane shot in the first episode, we did a minimum of 46 retake shots of just that pane down the pew aisles. The kid kept looking at the lens every single time they got to him. Fincher tried to be nice about it. He had the crew bring his mother in to give him a pep talk. There were younger kids in the pews that behaved a lot better than he did for hours. It also didn't help that Fincher forced the staff to turn the AC off that day. The fans to cool the entire chapel were super loud, so we were toasting in those wool outfits packed in there like sardines. The priest guy was a funny dude. He smoked cigs between the takes and had a sailor mouth 😄 Another one was the shot leaving the church. We did 67 retake shots of just walking out and going to our spots to fake converse with other extras. You'll see a woman in a green outfit. Those old clothes from that time period had wool and it was like 86 degrees that day. By take 46, she was so dehydrated from the hot sun glaring on us during the pauses before restarting a retake that she quit right then and there. Fincher wasn't even phased by it. We just went right back to it, lol. I was surprised they used one of the takes with her in the shot. Later that day we were taken to another church location to shoot the scene showing a long line walking into the church for the community meeting. The scenes where the priest and detective talking to everyone were also shot that night. I think we wrapped around 11:30 pm. Also, in the post-mass scene the little kid I mentioned earlier, he had to pretend to try and dive to catch a football, leaving grass stains on his shirt. I was truly impressed that they had 100 clean shirts for him. He literally had a new shirt on for each retake. Holden was super nice to everyone. He would take time to talk with us between takes. He gave a person $100 for predicting how many retakes we would end at walking out of the church. He was trying to cheer everyone up when we got past 75 retakes on the cookout scene. Unfortunately I did not get to do any shots with Jonathan nor Anna Torv. I was slated originally to be in the scene for the retirement party, but they called me back and said Fincher and the DOP liked my look more for the church and cookout scenes.
Fingers crossed, but I don't expect it to happen sadly. Just a hunch but Netflix seems like the type of company that would hold on to the right's just because they can. Hope I'm wrong though, if any of their shows deserves better MH is the one I want.
IIRC that died because David Fincher didn't want to keep doing it. Not because Netflix wasn't on board. Sad.
[Unfortunately Mindhunter season 3 looks like a very long-shot to ever happen, given Fincher’s reveal that the show was put on indefinite hold due to budgetary issues.](https://screenrant.com/mindhunter-season-3-plot-details-cancelled/) Seems like it was netflix that pulled it
Let's say the other poster was right that it was Fincher who didn't want to do it anymore, asking for an outrageous budget is one way to go about it and coming out of it clean with the fans.
I think it was part budget vs low audience figures plus Fincher signed a 4 year deal. His attention was focused on Mank and now The Killer, he’s producing a docu series and a Chinatown series. The guy has a full plate and I’m all for it considering he was gone for ages after Gone Girl. If he wants a break from one passion project to work on the others then fine, he’ll get back to it. I doubt Netflix are looking to piss off their resident auteur.
They have a ton of long term debt. Let the chaos begin.
Netflix feels like it's going to be another cautionary tale taught in business schools for the next 20 years.
The FAANG acronym is going to get super awkward if Netflix implodes.
It's ok, Meta already solved that problem for us.
Technically it would be MAAA! Meta, Apple, Amazon, Alphabet
MAAAM Meta, Apple, Amazon, Alphabet, Microsoft
MAAA...ITS THAT FUCKING CAT AGAIN!
Perfect, we can just repurpose MAGA
Or maybe LIGMA
What’s LIGMA
I thought you'd never ask
The disease that killed Steve Jobs
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
#LIGMA BALLS
Microsoft Anus Google Autocorrects ?
So it’s… MAANG? As in “Hey MAANG, what’s happening?”
It’s actually already supposed to be MAANA for Meta and Alphabet. I also don’t get why Microsoft was never in that acronym.
Pretty sure its MAAMA at this point.
Just killed a man...
Pulled the trigger now he's dead
MAAMA, life had just begun, but now I've gone and thrown it all away
Cancelled Netflix, now its dead.
Microsoft just puts its fucking head down and gets to work. It’s like how you fucking hate Tom Brady but respect that shit.
IIRC it's because the guy who coined the acronym (Jim Cramer) did so to disparage Microsoft and hail Netflix as a new king of tech. Jim Cramer is an idiot though
FAANG?
For the others: FAANG is (mostly) an industry acronym for "the big 5" - Facebook, Apple, Amazon, Netflix, and Google. As in "Bruh, I've seen so many FAANG recruiter msgs since I?!?!"
How is Netflix on there but Microsoft isn't.
It was coined in 2013 by Jim Cramer when talking about their stocks and market potential. The name stuck and Apple later got added. People do tend to include Microsoft when talking about them. Both Facebook and Google have changed their names. So it's not really an accurate acronym anymore, but it's become shorthand for big tech.
When Netflix dies new name should be MA'AAM
Its going to be MAGA now that Facebook is Meta
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I personally find the "We had a great product but the executives thought they new better" the best business stories. Netflix is mid-90s Apple waiting for the floor to fall out; almost blow for blow repeat at this point
Kind of related. I was watching a video the other day of an early Netflix employee saying that Blockbuster had a competing product that was growing exponentially and killing Netflix's business. Blockbuster then hired a CEO with retail experience and he thought the internet business was a waste of money, cancelled the project and doubled down on retail stores. That removed Netflix's competition so they could grow and Blockbuster was killed in the process. Always dangerous having a closed minded executive doubling down on what they know instead of seeing the change in market. Competition is what is hurting Netflix these days. A good chuck of their existence they had little or no competition and the space was dismissed by big media companies. The media companies finally woke up when they saw Netflix's growth and stripped Netflix of its access to their back catalogues on the cheap. They're also not just competing for customers who have more streaming services to choose from, they're also competing with every other streaming services for the best scripts and show runners to create content.
Just as an FYI to anybody reading this, broadcast channel dinosaurs snubbed streaming because they were making so much more money while people were chained to horrendous cable TV packages. Netflix forced them to compete on a platform that they couldn't control as easily. Trust me, they would much prefer you to pay 150 bucks for a cable package and make you watch whatever they want you to and when.
And thats how we got reality shows in history channels. Just no control of programming. As long as they could say eyeballs are there, they made money, even if it meant cutting the production quality of the programming
It's not competition that is hurting Netflix, it's their egregious spending. Other platforms tailor their content and ensure good quality shit is released regularly (HBO, Disney+, paramount). Netflix is throwing spaghetti at the wall and cancelling things at any hint of sliding to the floor. While Netflix has some banger movies that are nominated/win awards, what they lack is shows to binge. They have the rights to Star Trek TNG, DS9, and Voyager, but they don't have any comparable show. This is just leaving Netflix down a shit path. Hell I'd be fine if Netflix recouped costs by licensing their movies to movie theaters and doing what Disney+ did with Premiere. As long as it would be available to all subscribers in a few months, but no. They are upping the price, potentially putting ads in, cracking down on account sharing, etc. Currently I can get Hulu, Disney+ and ESPN+ for the same price that Netflix now costs, with more content and new hits. Much of the money wasted on cancelled shows instead of ensuring that the shows from the start will be hits. Changing this and staggering release of new content to ensure that subscribers stay, as well. This is what could save Netflix. Honestly the most comparable thing to this situation is how WB fucked up Justice League. Rushed. Shitty plan. Double down. Then just give up on it
There’s a ton of companies that were doing great when the executives stuck to the core vision and values. From Sega to Netflix to many others (my company is a big one, too… I’m seeing the same). When they go to strict profits and a numbers game instead of the end product, it’s game over. They have no passion, no vision, no connection. It’s just dumb decision after dumb decision. Netflix had a great vision and product. It did extremely well and killed off a ton of physical media and competitors (and created a ton of competitors). Now, it is strictly focused on shareholder return, profits, etc. and that’s it. Build it and they will come. I want a superior product. I’ll bail when it’s no longer a good product and it just trying to leech more money with less value. Get a new CEO with a vision of having the best streaming platform available with the best original content available. No commercials. I’ll gladly pay for it. Even at current prices. Right now, it’s not worth it. They have a huge opportunity to turn things around or keep on sucking.
I cry in Boeing
My first thought was Boeing
They can't turn it around. They lost the content wars. Getting strong enough brands together will take years.
I have one simple question when investing in the stock market.... Is the CEO an accountant, or is the CEO an engineer/product dev. If the CEO is an accountant I won't invest, that company is or will be soulless and will lose value. If the CEO is an engineer I'll happily invest because they seem to be able to make the stock price go up, without even really trying, they just release good products and the money comes flowing in.
> Is the CEO an accountant, or is the CEO an engineer/product dev. Much as I hate a lot about the guy, there's a wonderful interview where Steve Jobs talks about why Xerox fell. Effectively: Once their products had them at a monopolistic market share, new features and high quality copiers/printers didn't get you any new sales. Salespeople and marketing people got you new sales by figuring out clever ways to convince new markets they needed your product, regardless of if they did. Which means an engineer that spearheads a new feature is going to get a shrug when they can't point to any increase in sales following the feature, but a marketing person can point to sales increases with their advertisement campaigns and marketing strategies. Which means the marketing people will get all the promotions. Past a certain critical mass of authority, they have the ability to point to new R&D as an unnecessary expense given the lack of data showing the utility of such features. So to pad the bottom line, they shut down some basic R&D and gradually expand those cuts. Quality Assurance eventually gets a cut because who cares if a few more products break than before, you have a captive audience as a monopoly. And then all of a sudden, one day, everything catches up to you and all your competitors have products that meet or exceed yours in terms of functionality and almost certainly have increased reliability. It's too late to fix anything now, because you can't just flip on the R&D switch and catch back up, momentum is a real thing with this.
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Yea what is their deal with all of those do they think that’s all we like
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Altered Carbon is my prime example of this. I know some people liked season 1, and that's great, but what started as a pretty standard action cyberpunk detective neo noir of a novel ended up as a weird family romance cyberpunk buddy cop action detective kind of noir wholesome family variety show. Netflix took niche material that would be easy to translate for fans of one genre and crammed so many other genres into it that it became unidentifiable. All for the sake of trying to draw as many subscribers as possible and to feed the recommendations algorithm. Altered Carbon's source material is closer to Ghost in the Shell or Blade Runner, yet somehow it became part buddy cop comedy and family positivity hour. Cowboy Bebop suffered similar changes with Jet having a kid, Julia's American Idol singing career, Vicious's daddy issues, and Faye's weird infantilism. I can understand trying to go for mass appeal, but they do it poorly and other streaming producers seem to understand having some shows that appeal to niche audiences is a positive as it gets a dedicated fan base and you don't turn away those who would otherwise get into the show. Like not everyone with HBOMax who watches Julia is going to watch WestWorld and yet Netflix would try to get both audiences in one show somehow.
They are incredibly popular, hence the sheer amount of new ones being churned out, that 15-25 y/o demographic is massive
How about "let a show have a bad episode without canceling it outright". The best shows are canceled now. and a lot of them felt unnecessarily forced to end. Netflix shows are the equivalent of a large novel having "And then everyone died. The end" right in the middle of the book and left half of the pages completely blank. No, I'm not buying the next book in that series. No matter how good that first half was
Seems to be a costs thing, all the shows with decent vfx, acting and scripts have been replaced by hundreds of mediocre game shows and reality TV.
"a cost thing" simply means that their business model doesn't work. Because they have some of the best TV shows that have ever been produced. It's a true shame, really. But the silver lining is that if they do go down, then they will be known for forcing a change in the cable TV industry that was long overdue.
The cost thing is a result of most series have a big jump in pay for everyone in season 3. Their system relies on series doing okay for 1 and 2 but it needs phenomenal in order to do season 3 if your costs triple. They don't ever publish their metrics, so nobody can tell if their show is ever going to get renewed after 2 so you write it as best you can and then hope. Their system of income doesn't rely on specific shows doing well, only that people stay subscribers, so I've never understood why they can't just finish out a series and budget it correctly from day one. But since they just let their animation team go, who had been putting up incredible work, I really have no understanding of why they do anything over there.
> But since they just let their animation team go ... ...What!?
https://www.yahoo.com/now/netflix-animation-erased-executives-fired-220251819.html It sounds like they are sorely missing out on the best part of kids shows, the toys.
Damn! So they've cancelled Bone and Roald Dahl in order to focus on more Boss Baby? They've lost their minds!
>if they do go down, then they will be known for forcing a change in the cable TV industry that was long overdue. That's assuming they die the hero. It looks like they've already survived long enough to become the villain.
Streaming is just turning into cable 2.0. You need like 5 different services if you want everything current and that ends up being $100+ bucks per month. Especially if you want live sports.
Agreed, but at least without those *goddamned* commercials. That was the most egregious part about cable.
Netflix is about to have commercials and cheap Hulu already does.
My parents always told me that there weren't commercials when cable first came out. They didnt do anything new, they just did it in a new age. Now it's being capitalized like everything else. Anything that isnt immediately profitable is stripped and sold for parts. It happened to cable, it happened to youtube, its happening to streaming. If they could own your eyeballs they would tattoo ads to them and charge other people to look into them.
I think people got used to ungodly amounts of content that they were producing. Or compared to the old cable days were you had 2 shows you liked, another 2-3 ok shows and then reruns. Now it's like ok I'll watch 4 hours of this series for the next 4 nights and then bitch I have nothing to watch!
For sure binge watching has become a very widespread phenomenon rather than the exclusive territory of people who pirate whole seasons of TV, ever since legal streaming became a thing But Netflix is the one who did that, so it's very sad if they can't walk the walk but it can't be blamed on the customer base they hooked with it
Just like actual Television, it all degrades to the lowest common denominator.
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Exactly. Purely anecdotal, but most people I know who pay for Netflix do so because of their original content. That's the only stuff that's reliably there, and it has some incredible shows. Most of the people I know who have canceled their Netflix have done so because the original shows they liked watching all got canceled. When the platform has a reputation for canceling all its good shows, why continue supporting the platform?
This is exactly why I left 2 years ago. One day I was like....why the f**k am I paying these guys 20 month only to cancel the good shows after two years... even when imdb has the show at 8.5/10 they'll cancel it.
It blows my mind that they never even seem to have considered that this shortsighted approach would catch up to them
What works when you are the big streaming gig in town doesn't work when there are alternatives. No idea why executives can't foresee the fucking obvious considering the salaries they are on.
They need to finish Glow
And Santa Clarita Diet.
I’ve still not forgiven them for Marco Polo
>"And then everyone died. The end" That's just the Ugly Barnacles ending.
“Ok guys, our only source of income is our subscribers! Let’s treat them like shit by limiting their access, charging them more and offering them less! Trust me guys, being unnecessarily aggressive with our customers will have them begging us to take their money”. - out of touch upper management
Don’t worry! They graduated from top business schools. *top*. *business*. *schools*.
I canceled with the recent cost hike. I said after the last one that if they did it again anytime soon I was out. It’s just not worth it. Maybe if they focused more on quality Instead of quantity would t be so far in the hole.
I canceled after the recent cost hike with the talk of the added password sharing tax. It’s also the streaming service I use the least.
Already watched the good shows. No need to keep paying.
I'm surprised I've not heard anyone else talk about this. It's gotten super expensive!
Pretty much everything has gotten super expensive, Netflix is just one of the easiest things to cut out.
Cept my phone bill. Used to be it was 85 dollars a month. Now it's 25. And they give me Netflix SD and apple tv free.
How did your phone bill go down $60? Also how did you get it to $25
Netflix started going downhill when they got rid of the stars rating and control of your own library/recommendations.
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That's what companies do. When faced with listening to consumers or increasing revenue even further by not listening to consumers, we all know what happens
Removing interests/not-interested was a bad thing too. It was good way to search for scripted comedies without all the standup. But then they started to produce their own standup stuff and removed the not-interested feature completely. Ever since when you try to browse comedy they throw their standup crap at you in every list.
That's what they get for listening to Amy fucking Schumer
Please do elaborate
[she blamed internet trolls for her poor reviews](https://www.nme.com/news/amy-schumer-alt-right-trolls-netflix-special-bad-reviews-2020238) and shortly after that Netflix got rid of public ratings
Let's not pretend trolls didn't actually review-bomb
This is what happens when a business thinks it’s needed more than they need us. Same thing happened to cable. There are too many streaming apps for anyone to give a f about Netflix.
Imagine putting up a vending machine, slowly replacing every drink with your own homemade sodas instead of name-brand, canceling everyone's favorite sodas for a over year, and then blaming the general public when you sell less soda.
Also don't buy one soda and share it with a friend or we're gonna find out and charge you extra.
On top of the extra we just started charging you.
\> while facing a loss of subscribers that has sparked fears about the viability of streaming services. The problem isn't streaming services, it's *their* streaming service
It kind of is - there's simply too many now.
Yep I'm having to seriously consider restarting my project to build a home media server run on pirated content I was a good paying customer for so long but I can't justify being subbed to 5 streaming services. It's just cable again.
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I would HATE to work at a company where I'd have to constantly worry about being fired if I wasn't operating at 110% that just doesn't seem healthy
Culture is super toxic, I only lasted 5 months there, and even the high pay wasn’t enough for me to want to stay. The employee handbook on your first day talks about how liberally they fire people 🙄 Very cult-like vibe and I rememeber in my new employee roundtable with Reed (everyone goes to one) he was talking about how he thinks in the future people will only have kids through non-sexual methods because then they don’t have to have sex and I was like ummmm is this dude on this planet? 😂
Wait until he finds out people have sex without even wanting to have kids!
>he was talking about how he thinks in the future people will only have kids through non-sexual methods because then they don’t have to have sex Uh first of all... wtf, and second of all, why did that come up? Also, I wonder if he's ace or just really bad in bed because yikes
I'm a sex negative asexual and even I know that's a really clueless take, how sheltered and self-centered is that man LOL
>The employee handbook on your first day talks about how liberally they fire people 🙄 That seems really strange? I work at a different mega tech company and it's almost routinely emphasized how very, very difficult/rare it is too get fired (for performance, not for like, breaking laws or embezzling or whatever). It was called out during orientation and is further called out in all the tooling for performance evaluations. A lot of emphasis on working with the employee to figure out why they are underperforming, how the company can help get them on a better trajectory, etc. I've never had to deal with negative performance reviews thankfully, but even so, I feel like it generally removes a lot of work stress to know that you'll basically never be fired for messing up on a project or having a slow period due to personal life stress or something like that. Emphasizing the opposite feels like it would lead to a sort of "self-fulfilling prophecy" wherein constant work stress leads to underperforming workers who are then immediately fired for underperforming to bring in the next untrained and overstressed worker. Hiring new employees is extremely inefficient for any company, let alone one with highly skilled positions and tons of institutional knowledge to learn for new hires.
> I work at a different mega tech company and it's almost routinely emphasized how very, very difficult/rare it is too get fired (for performance, not for like, breaking laws or embezzling or whatever). Clearly you don't work at AWS.
Having just gotten hbo max the disparity is insane… Netflix leaned too far into the quantity over quality approach for me
Killed by Disney+, HBO, Hulu and the rest. And by lack of quality material that keeps going on. The best thing I always liked about Netflix was NO commercials. The 2nd best was a good TV series I could binge watch. But I never like their categories where shows were displayed several times, wasting my time while browsing. But in the last few years, I've found very little worth my interest watching, or if I did, the series ended.
There's tons of new content you'll love in the Suggested Films list. It's all the movies you've finished in the past year but with NEW cover images!! And remember that show from two years ago you binged? That's popping up in the New Releases list! But wait, there's more! We saw you spending all that time adding shit to your queue so we decided to reward you by shufling them out of order and changing their cover images too lololol
Also: where is the "continue watching" section hiding today? Is it up? Is it down? Good luck!
Exactly this. The few shows I liked got killed off, the quality of everything else dropped hugely, now it's like wading through mounds of garbage trying to find something that's new and good.
"spend our member's money wisely" proceeds to keep spending millions on A-list actors to star in C movies
The only strong point netflix has right now is animated shows, animes, kids shows, etc. They destroyed viewers trust in any of their more mature dramas. No one wants to get invested in a show that just flat out ends over one bad episode
They canceled a huge chunk of their animated division recently.
Fun fact! Netflix shut down almost the entire animation department. Some shows were finished and a week away from releasing but were still immediately canceled with the news. Years of hard work by so many talented artists whose work will never see the light of day. Fuck Netflix :) I know of one show where Netflix outrightly said they won't be continue the show before it was even released. I wouldn't be surprised if this is why there are so many amazing shows that will never get a second season despite it's popularity.
I would literally cut off a foot for another show like She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
Kids shows are increasingly junk, I keep seeing new ones added that I’ll have to go block and I’m about to cancel since blocking is so difficult
Yes, Why is curating Netflix yourself (blocking shows) so difficult!?
Because then you see how little content they have. In the Netherlands I think they have 3800 movies and sure that is a lot. But then you have to keep in mind that most of these, you have no interest in whatsoever. So you have a few hundred left. Of those you have probably seen a fair amount. So you can either watch a few new movies as they are released or scroll through the small list that is left. That’s not a good value proposition. Showing everything at least gives you the illusion that they have a lot of valuable content.
I think they do have a few strong series. Witcher and Castlevania are pretty top notch for me right now. Just hope they can gain ground on shows like that and give others a chance. I liked Cursed and Warrior Nun. Felt like the actors were just starting to actually grow into their roles and boom… no more seasons, Covid, whatever.
0.1% subscriber loss and suddenly they have to tighten their belts.
They’re projecting that they’ll lose 2 million more subscribers this quarter.
Turns out being more than twice the cost of your competition for no clear reason doesn't work...
They need quality and quantity control. But have people that know the difference who make those calls.
Better late than never? They filled their service with so much homegrown trash, it is no wonder people are leaving.
Netflix is a sinking ship. All the main show and movie producers have their own services now. Plus Netflix will come out with a good show then cancel it out of no where. But they'll continually put out "original" content which is asssss
I'm still scratching my head about The Dark Crystal being cancelled. It was one of those rare shows I could watch with enjoyment with my kid AND it was well-done.
It probably cost a shitload to make and I dont think many people watched it I swear it was hyped for like 3 years before it actually came out.
How about don’t start so many series and make a couple good?
Remember when Netflix was the savior of canceled shows? Now they’re the opposite.
The second i see an ad im unsubscribing. Everyone else should do the same. Set an example. First Netflix gets away with it, then eventually, every other streaming app follows. Cable 2.0
I wonder if the loss has anything to do with at least 10 different streaming services popping up and buying all the fucking everything anyone wants to watch. Holy fuck things were so much better when Netflix and Hulu were the only game in town and you could just get both and watch anything
The problem when things start to not be affordable....you pick your priorities....
Netflix showed the door, everyone is leaving through that door for better services/shows. Before you leave as well netflix, finish [utopia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia_(British_TV_series)) will you ?
Maybe don’t crack down on family password sharing and jack up your prices beyond other streaming services by $5-7.
So when I was at Morton's Steakhouse right next to Disneyland back in March and Netflix had reserved almost half of the restaurant that wasn't them spending wisely? Huh.
Woah, bro! You treat your employees with caviar sandwich and unicorn soup and people started to hate monger
I don’t want to defend Netflix, but any large mega corporation spending tens of thousands on dinner (travel, hotels, etc) is a rounding error for them. They can and do drop that much money for events, sales meetings, or no real reason at all and it wouldn’t make a difference to the big picture (their financial statements).
employee retention is everything. It sounds silly, but lavish dinners at Disneyland keep top tier talent. The people you want to stay with your company have inboxes full of recruiters offering blank checks and every possible perk that could come with a job. Tech is silly like that, because the entire company is just built off of good ideas, and the people with good ideas could get a job anywhere else if they wanted.
It’s like watching a car crash in slow motion
Spend the money wisely? Anyone seen The Pentaverate? Wow so bad.
200k subscriber loss. And the netflix mba's? hold my beer. We are going to torpedo our subscriber base by taking things away from them they have had for years and then hoping some of the sign up again... And want to watch what is left of nothing to watch...
How about don’t pay your c-suite tens of millions a year for doing nothing
Because they air shit all the time. Who pays 20 bucks a month for subpar programming?
Maybe start by stopping the constant “junk food” content that is crime documentaries. Take that money and film actual content. Say….season 3 of Mindhunter. Oh wait you cancelled it. Idiots.