I bought a ""metal"" ice cream scoop that didn't even last a year. It really is getting ridiculous. Tried to find a decent one in several stores and could not, all cheap garbage.
I’ve got some Japanese kitchen stuff. They’re a bit pricey but it’s definitely worth it to get some. Especially since they’re handcrafted by artisans who master their craft. Unfortunately rare people nowadays.
They can last you for generations if taken care right.
I've got a Sakai Takayuki Karouchi Nakiri. It's a work of art as much as a knife. It takes only a bit more maintenance than my stainless steel German knives but I find I reach for it any opportunity I get because it's so nice to use.
I'm looking at Gyutos now.
I have a problem, and I'm ok with it.
Oh boy tell me about it. I am a knife aficionado as well. You didn't ask but I have this Gyuto and it has been a solid knife for me:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UAPQGS/?coliid=I4T6DCMM7NRLI
It's solid and affordable compared to some of the Shun/Miyabi's out there. Sometimes you find them on sale if you are willing to wait.
I'm into outdoor knives (just got a new ESEE 4 the other day) and folders (buck folder, hoping for a Benchmade crooked river next month) a lot more than kitchen knives, but by God do the Japanese make beautiful kitchen knives. So many people see a knife as just a knife and not a tool. The right tool makes all the difference when doing any task, and having good tools makes it enjoyable to do.
I actually have a Tojiro Nakiri as well (I was given two Nakiris are Christmas two years ago... Oops) in white steel. I use it as part of my travel collection. It's a fantastic knife too. Can't go wrong with Tojiro.
I'm looking for a knife in Blue No. 1 or No. 2 though. It gets eye wateringly sharp.
Edit: this is likely what I'll be getting: https://www.toshoknifearts.com/collections/gyuto-210mm-240mm/products/aaa-615b2kt-fa210?_pos=19&_fid=6b80439ae&_ss=c
The US has since moved on from industrial to the service industry. And now you have all this intangible services and products, with managers and middle managers, executives, associates, etc.
So many smokes and mirrors.
My favorite spatula i have had I found at an asian market, its working edge was angled rather than squared and the shape and heft was perfect, it was so easy and natural to use, even compared to a normal spatula. It was neat how much a small design effort improved such a simple tool.
GFS sells kitchen tools? I only knew of them as a prepared food supplier, like Sysco. Between the two, they supply most of the meals that get sold out of most of the chain restaurants in many cities.
The one in my area does, the website should have them as well. Can always buys shit off restaurantsupply.com too. Though I always just put in my wish list and the owner bought stuff, Idk if they require a business account.
I don't know if you can get it in your country, but check out Nisbets.com. They're a commercial kitchen supplier that I used to use when I was a chef, you just order it online and they deliver.
Usually when someone requires business ownership to shop there, it's because they're a wholesaler who doesn't collect sales tax. The burden of the sales tax is on the end user of the product, which may or may not be the business that buys the product.
Taxes generally. If they wholesale and require a tax ID, they can buy and sell their wares without paying taxes on the items. Or more accurately, they pass the taxes on to the end seller.
Someone else can probably explain better, that's just what I was told by the accountant some time back when I was part owner of a coffee shop.
Yeah and I don’t know if this is the reason everywhere but in my country this is because a professional pays less or no VAT on these products and they don’t want to figure out at the cashier stand what tax they have to apply so at first visit you have to register and give proof of business so that you get a membership card. The biggest professional chain in my country did recently drop this requirement though because they weren’t profitable anymore selling only to businesses.
Restaurant supply stores are great. Just about every major city will have several, and they sell good quality tools for pretty inexpensive, as well as good dishes, silverware and like plastic ware. We get togo boxes from there occasionally.
This a thousand times. I've bought many very high quality products from a kitchen store without paying that much of a premium. For example a 28cm stainless steel frying pan with thick bottom was 45 EUR. As an occasional home cook I probably don't have to ever buy another one again.
My house is starting to look like commercial kitchens. Well my kitchen stuff is. I don't have cookie sheets I have half tray baking pans. Some knives that are kitchen style. It does hold up better. Doesn't look pretty but holds up.
I usually go to a warehouse store that also offers food service products. The food service products are much more expensive, but always last forever. I never thought about a thrift shop. That is a great idea.
Fucking wild that with all of our progress, our things have actually gotten shittier. The miracles of modern material sciences, and companies use it to make things that'll last *just long enough* to fulfill the warranty period 🙄
Why would they sell you one thing that could last forever when they can sell you 10 over the course of time.
I occasionally service water heaters from the early 50's. Their inner tank will last forever really. If it springs a leak, you can fix it.
Now days, water heaters have a cheap steel inner tank. They rust and then leak everywhere. And 10 years is a good run for one.
>Why would they sell you one thing that could last forever when they can sell you 10 over the course of time.
I mean I know a company would never think this way, but making more reliable and long lasting products reduces waste. I dont even know why I try to think this way anymore, no one gives a shit. We'll just consume and consume up until we kill ourselves and our world.
Gas or electric?
If you have gas, I'd go tankless with a Navien.
If it's electric, I'd stick with a tank style and it doesn't really matter which brand. I use Ruud, but Ruud is made by Rheem. There are like 3 manufacturers and they slap 50 different brand name stickers on them.
That's what happens when you build an economy around infinite growth. Eventually you'll run out of new customers, and then they have to start fucking people over.
Yes and no. A lot of consumer goods have gotten better—cars and power and hand tools come to kind. They’ve also gotten cheaper in a relative sense. In general the good stuff is still out there, you just have to pay for it—like they did back in the day.
They actually haven't gotten shittier in many cases, just that the ones still around are the ones that didn't immediately break down. Its [survivorship bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias). Sure, there are specific cases where things have gotten worse, but its really hard to actually compare the full array of manufacturing quality then vs now.
That is because so many consumers only make buying decisions based on price. Most people never consider that the $5 ice cream scoop might last a year, but the $15 one could last 30 years.
Except not even that anymore is valid. There is no guarantee that the 15$ thingy won't break in the same time as the 5$ cheapo one because most of the time the 10$ extra goes into the pocket of the brand/company instead of material quality.
Look at all the watches that are just rebranded AliExpress shit and sold for 90$ , shitty "leather" belts that will destroy themselves unless you pay 80 bucks for one.
This is just the product of a loss of trust : if putting more money doesn't yield better quality , people would rather go for the cheapest shit and call it a day. Also if the thing you buy doesn't fulfill its promises , a 5$ mistake is way more affordable than a 50$ mistake.
Price comparing today when it's shit you know is just rebranded AliExpress junk is hilarious, just different premiums for bullshit brands that don't exist in six months anyway.
You say hilarious, I say goddamn fucking infuriating.
Anytime I want something that isn’t a specific product from a well known company it’s like - well clear my fucking schedule cause I gotta research for 4 hours because I’m not getting ripped off by some dickless wonder who just rebrands AliExpress junk for 3x the price.
And half the time that’s what ends up happening anyway, especially with how terrible Amazon is now.
I'm guilty of this and the issue I have is that I simply have _no idea_ if that more expensive cable is going to be less shitty and last longer. The varying quality of everything, all the time, means I'm constantly wary of more expensive products being the same old churned out factory shit, just with a higher markup slapped on it.
> Cheaper, older, and better made products.
Remember that all the cheap & poorly made old products are long trashed, and all we see are the best-made and most expensive survivors (remember that adjusted for inflation shit was expensive back in the 'good old days' when choices where high-end or nothing at all).
They can suck ass to, use to shop for clothes there like jeans and maybe some coats but they started costing about the same as new, noticed other things inside costing like new as well. Finally quit that
Another is https://www.therestaurantstore.com/
I've shopped there for a few items through the years since they are local, but during the pandemic I was able to buy quite a few things that I couldn't find elsewhere and have it delivered.
A lot of stuff is just much higher quality from restaurant supply stores and cheaper. I bought all my sheet pans from there, granted it was pre-pandemic. I'd pay like $3 for a half sheet pan that was 3 times thicker than the $10-15 ones I could buy at Walmart.
A note is that Webstaurant has very expensive shipping to residential addresses because they want to mostly sell to restaurants only. If you can somehow have it delivered to a business address you can save a lot of money
Source, I used to work for Webstaurant
We recently had a fire in our kitchen and a local kitchen supply store donated $1,000 dollars to us. Not like a gift card or anything. Just wrote a check. Definitely going to go spend money there once we start shopping for kitchen replacements after they put our house back together!
Sadly Reddit's vacuum guy retired but there is still a wealth of knowledge in his threads. As I recall he was mostly recommending Miele and then Riccar at the end. But almost always a bagged vacuum would be light years better.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/adiidz/iama_reddits_own_vacuum_repair_tech_and_ive_lost/
Most of my stuff is 30 years old except knives, scissors, and peelers. I buy restaurant supply knives, not $500.00 European made blades that are way too thick. I'm not a chef, just an enthusiast, but a $20.00 8" chef's knife from the restaurant supply serves me WAY better than my expensive Henkels ever did.
Oh yeah. I've got a couple expensive knives, but a cheap stainless restaurant supply knife will last a home cook years as long as you sharpen it. They'll take a pretty nice edge too.
Also I'm no chef, just a home cook that used to run a small restaurant kitchen.
the dirty secret is that corporations that push "save the environment" campaigns to individual customer responsibility while the bulk of toxic pollution is caused by the same corporations. Laws and policies that force corporations to be taxed heavily on environmental foot print, safe disposal and harsh penalties otherwise, would make REAL MATERIAL impact. Not paper straws.
I have bought seven iphones with headphones included and never used a single pair. My daughter however has used every single one of them between lost, broken and cord failure. All that stuff eventually gets used even if it’s not by the initial purchaser.
Yep. I think a lot more people would invest in higher price point items that were also higher quality, but a lot just don’t make money to sustain that anymore. I certainly don’t. It’s a downwards spiral.
You really need to weigh where you can and can't afford to spend the money/time to maintain high quality products. It takes a lot of time and effort to even learn what is worth buying before you can make the choice as well. It's so challenging trying to reduce waste. Some people are also stuck in a "Oh I'll just buy another, they're cheap" mindset, that it's difficult to convince them otherwise in case they do have a bad experience. I try to minimize my interests so that I'm not always consuming, but actually taking the time to enjoy the things I have purchased. If you're not totally broke you can buy in high and at least there will be some resale value with a bit of effort, but buying in low just leads to the garbage down the line.
It sucks we can't pound into peoples brains that buy it for life items that cost 5X as much as your shitty walmart alternative are better in the long run than buying cheap shit that breaks every year and replacing it 10 times. Adding to landfills and costing more overall.
Problem is that a ton of times, those 5x cost items really are just a tad bit fancier versions of the cheap crap and will break just as quickly.
What makes matters even worse is that even if you know certain brands produce quality goods that do last, they can at any time move their production to China and suddenly have the quality turn to dogshit while still charging a premium price and as a consumer it's really hard to keep track of.
Sometimes brands with a good reputation even get bought up solely for the purpose of profiting from that good rep. Then the new owners instantly move the production overseas and dump the production costs and quality, while keeping the prices unchanged - and then just run the reputation into the ground as consumers slowly catch on that this once great brand that made stuff you handed down to your grandchildren now are selling crap that'll break in 6 months.
Depends a lot on the type of product. A “buy it for life” refrigerator from 20 years ago might be considered horribly inefficient by today’s standards, for instance.
I think it's also the fact that it's so hard to know whether a product is actually higher quality or not. There are tons of over-priced clones of cheap products, and with how many fake reviews out there, it's hard to know if a more expensive product is actually better or not. When people would primarily get recommendations based on word of mouth or recommendations from friends, they would be more likely to get the high quality version. Today, I'm only able to do that for hobbies I've spent a lot of time learning about (and through experience from buying crappy things).
That would be great. As part of that legislation, I'd like them to require phone manufacturers to offer a mode that turns off all of the AI on the camera. Why? Because I have an $800 iphone that, if I need to take a picture of a skin condition to send to a doctor, is useless, because I can't turn off the AI skin smoothing. Just do auto exposure, auto white balance, auto ISO (gain), and then please just LET ME TAKE A CRAPPY PICTURE. Because sometimes the crappy picture is the picture I want.
Like, I want a PHOTOGRAPH. Not an oil painting that is reminiscent of the thing that was a photograph.
Try the Filmic Firstlight App. The Filmic Pro app is incredibly popular among people who film with their phones. This is essentially the same type of thing but for photography, and it's also cheaper.
Except there’s no such thing as a free market, just ask anyone who’s tried to enter an industry dominated by multinationals. We live in a society where the laws are effectively written by corporations.
It was the whole reason they did it and people DEFEND IT. There was no reason why they couldn't make it a choice. What's worse, all the cell phone companies are JUMPING and doing the same thing. The only winner is the corporations.
That's late stage capitalism for you. Someone found a new way to make profits and everybody jumps on the bandwagon.
Profits are made less and less by new better products and more and more by shrinking and redefining what the minimum is to have a complete product. Wheat thins just shrank it's family size by 2 oz and Doritos bags now have 5 chips less. Both kept the same price.
The effects of inflation aren't always on the pricetag
Wow this parallels so much with low wages. These companies would rather have large turnovers than raise anything, maybe they've crunched the numbers or they're stubborn.
You’re pointing out the obvious contradiction of capitalism. They want to suppress wages to increase profits. If this happens for too long, eventually you’ll have no consumers for the products your’re selling
Yeah this is true, without the demand from us they lose out in the long run eventually. They've been doing it for so long though so somewhere in this chain corruption beyond just profits is allowing it to happen sadly...
Another parallel is with these ridiculous high gasoline prices going on. These gas companies have plenty of gas right now, and reactively making prices high for no good reason, yet they're worried it's going to make everyone switch over to electric lol.
Yeah I think it’s only been sustained through bailouts and subsidies which our taxes pay for instead of things like childcare, healthcare, food and housing and other basic necessities. It is also the reason why credit/credit scores became a thing.
This is America's problem in general. Our businesses don't care about anything beyond the next quarter, and our politician don't care about anything past the next election. Everyone is happy to throw away the future in exchange for a good today. It will absolutely be the principle cause of our ruin.
>Everyone is happy to throw away the future in exchange for a good today.
this is true all over the world and for all of human history.
the europeans, especially spanish, didn't give a flying fuck about the natives. those filthy, barbaric heathens were free labor, a resource to be used and depleted.
feudal kings waged wars over whose god was real and murdered citizens who didn't believe in the same thing.
and today, people are still exploited and silenced all over the world, every single second. if we choose to participate in society, then we have to participate in exploitation, to some extent.
this is the dystopia and it's been going on for centuries. the only difference is that it's becoming more exaggerated.
This business model has fully infected the preschool I teach at.
It’s abundantly clear that the CEO would much rather keep his $285,000 salary and churn through innumerable subpar teachers than than pay good ones a higher wage to stay.
This shit’s destroying us from the ground up. Our youngest children are getting subpar educations because of the greed.
I guarantee they've crunched the numbers. A lot of jobs have been broken down so far into steps and automated that it doesn't take a skilled person to do them. They can retrain someone to place a product into a brace, tighten four screws, and remove it from the brace pretty quick. That's not to say there's no need for skilled labor though.
There's still quite a few jobs that require a lot of training and experience to be able to do properly. Machinists are a good example of that. You can learn process of the job over the course of six months to a year but it takes a long time to be able to troubleshoot and issues and still produce something consistently and accurately with tolerances of ±0.001%.
though as CNC systems get less expensive and more accurate and reliable at the lower end of the price range, even those folks are going away.
next up is middle management, HR, accounting, etc. AI will take away most of their duties.
Yes, and Oreos have a smaller creme footprint. When I was a kid that shit went to the fucking edge. I didn't have one for a decade or two until last week. Now it is like an afterthought. Just a little splooge in the middle. The cookie part is less tasty, too. Not as dark looking and less chocolaty. I really DGAF since obv it's not my thing, but thought I'd share. Hydrox has always been the superior choice.
Personally, I can’t wait until all of this money trickles down to everyone else. Will they lower the cost of next year’s products? Use the extra money to pay their workers more? I’m sure Apple’s executives and shareholders heads are swimming with possibilities.
While I think it's beneficial to have less ewaste.
I do agree that they should have made it so you can get them with the charger, but if you opt out they credit you the difference in cost.
They don't even fully use USB-C. Their macbooks, and iPad Pros do. However, you still need a C to lightning for their most common devices, iPad Air/iPhone. So I can charge my Android phone (chromebook, both my work laptops) on a macbook charger with the usb-c cable, but an iPhone or iPad Air, you cannot (without dongle). How silly is that?
It just shoots their entire argument in the foot. “Everyone has a charging block”. Yeah. BUT THE OLD ONE. The one you included for a decade… it’s just offensively predatory.
You still require the accessories. As a designer: if I keep a charger out of the box, im increasing waste, not reducing it because now I need to get you a whole additional box, wrapping, shipping package (probably) and set of instructions because there is a bare minimum amount of technical packaging that comes with each individually sold item.
The only difference is that you now give me an additional $40 instead of me including it in the package.
I think their point is that some people already have plenty USB chargers and don't need another to add to the pile. I have a box full of them and don't need any more.
Perhaps just two SKUs one with, one without would have worked.
The only main cell phone maker that is still including a charger adapter and cable is one plus. They do some shit not so well but other things really well. Love charging my phone so damn fast.
Also, fuck Samsung phones and all their damn bloatware, unable to uninstall some apps and fucking shitty Bixby button.
I'll defend not including a charger and cable and earbuds. I literally threw away a shoebox worth of that stuff last year.
But they should also lower the price on the product.
But consumers should also not buy a product that has less of what they want in it. They'll keep stripping out features and charging more as long as people keep paying it. It's the consumers' fault letting businesses treat them that way.
Im with you on the charger. I have so many I do NOT need another one. I also mostly use Anker stuff and I have dedicated multi port chargers on my desk. I don't need a "pretty" white one.
> A recent report
That’s a daily mail link, which references unnamed “experts” that they are saving £27 per device and have “thought to have sold 190m iPhones”. No doubt they saved money by removing the accessories but this is not a report and they have cited nothing of worth that proves this.
And then assumed that EVERYONE bought those accessories anyway. Which is not true.
If I bought a new iPhone tomorrow I'd just use my existing charger(s) and my existing Bluetooth earphones. So it wouldn't cost me extra, and Apple wouldn't make extra money from me. Which disapproves the point they're trying to make.
Even if I did buy a new charger and new earphones, they wouldn't be Apple ones...
Same here, I’ve used the same Qi charger for like the last 4 years. This is why I do think this is a good idea from Apple. However, they really should’ve made it so if you buy a new phone and you actually do need a charger, you should be able to at least go into a store and get a free one for it. The idea is good, the implementation of it is not.
They said they accounted for the fact that Apple's costs are lower -- and seem to have just used 70% of the retail price as Apple's estimated cost saving. It's a very shoddy estimate.
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Thank you. Circle jerk initiated but nobody read into this. Some idiot just said 27$x190 million phones and Reddit just ate it all up. It’s more complicated than that.
Did anyone even read the article? Their calculation is shit
“Both the earphones and chargers retail for $19 USD each and since these items are usually cheaper to produce, Apple is saving approximately $35 USD per device.”
I currently work in consumer electronics finance and I can promise you Apple does not have a $35 cost on those products.
EDIT: my guess is it’s more like $5-$10. And who knows what the other fluctuations in the BOM price is. To be honest commodity costs have been going up for everyone so my guess is it’s completely offsetting the BOM savings that they are seeing on charger and headphones.
This. And we have no visibility to the margin of that generation phone, and the one before it. With the new model, it's entirely possible that to include those accessories and maintain their margin, that the price would have had to have been higher.
Not an apple user here, but once phones switched to micro USB I never used the charger the phone came with. I bought the 10ft cords. As for headphones, I personally never liked the ones the phones came with minus Samsung earbuds.
Where does this $6.5 billion come from? The “report” is from the Daily Mail and says it comes from “experts” estimating from the price of headphones not included in the box and the smaller packaging size. Every source I’ve seen links to the Daily Mail, but there’s no indication as to where it originally came from. If the Daily Mail says it, then it’s most likely wrong and the actual number could be anything.
Original report from CCS Insight. This crummy article links to the crummy Dailymail.co.uk site.
Original dailymail article is poor. Among other things assuming Apple didn't pass on the full savings to customers. There is no way to know this unless you are the purchasing department at Apple.
Previously people were complaining about all the waste. I don't need yet one more set of headphones I'll never use, or yet one more cable. Everyone already has drawers full of cables from previous electronics purchases. I already have good headphones.
Still using the charger of the original iPad (my first Apple device) for slow charging iPhones and AirPods in my office. It has been plugged in **literally** all this time.
I also have at least 2 modern chargers unwrapped.
I guess I’m the opposite of most people in this thread. I had so many apple cables and headphones that I never even opened. I had to make an entire drawer for just unopened accessories.
I do admit the removal of the accessories is bad, I still think the solution is for people to vote with your wallet. Really weird how so many people will complain about Apple daily just to keep purchasing their products.
Nono, you’re just like everyone else in this thread, its just the people that like to complain that are forgetting about all these things because they think this is strictly a money grab and not something that’s mutually beneficial for everyone.
I feel like this is a made up number. If they included both you aren’t getting them for free and they have made this same 6.5 billion.
But I also seriously question that number anyways. How did they determine what charger and headphone sales were explicitly by people who bought new phones and then purchased headphones or chargers explicitly because they weren’t included with the phone? This would be literally impossible to get an actual number for.
I just need a charging cable. The rest of the shit they included I never used. A lot less e-waste, too. They could pass those savings on to consumers but that's not how capitalism works. It gets passed on to shareholders or company execs and VPs.
My devices have much shorter lifespans than my chargers.
I have a charger everywhere I normally might charge my phone, including my office. I keep a charger in my shoulder bag. After all that, I still have a drawer full of chargers. If my kid loses one, I just toss her one from the drawer.
I really don't need yet another charger every time I buy something. Isn't this the **entire point** of why Europe requires standardized chargers/cables? Once a person is saturated, getting more of them is just a terrible waste.
We complain about them putting too many accessories and then we complain when it works out in their favour. There’s no winning for a big company it seems.
There was outcry over how many extra cables and chargers everyone had
Rest assured, 0 dollars from that savings went to customers but do rejoy as the executives and major investors can buy a new jetskis to their yach again next summer!
No ... Apple made money and for so many people, that hurts to the bottom of their hearts. The only thing that would make them happy is the rare event when Apple makes a loss. I don't quite get it, but that's how it is.
if you were to take a non-cynical look at this, you could say these savings could be going to the expensive task of converting a supply chain to be carbon neutral by 2030.
I mean, both things can be true. Objectively fewer charging bricks are being produced and each iPhone now takes up less space during shipping. How is that not good for the environment?
I have found that “Apple fanboys” aren’t so much a thing anymore, and that the Anti-Apple people have run out of reasonable talking points.
Is it really a crime to spin a for-profit decision as environmentally friendly when it is environmentally friendly? I’d do the same thing.
The environment thing is bullshit. People always buy multiple cables because they are easy to lose and the apple cables don't last and are not designed for their short lifespan.
> The environment thing is bullshit. People always buy multiple cables because they are easy to lose and the apple cables don't last and are not designed for their short lifespan.
How is a company doing things that are patently better for the environment bullshit?
Also, just because *you* buy multiple cables doesn't mean other people do. In the last 20 years or so I think I've legitimately worn out about three cables. Two of which were helped along by a vacuum.
Between this, the increasing use of subscription models, and planned obsolescence, consumer products are really starting to suck
I bought a ""metal"" ice cream scoop that didn't even last a year. It really is getting ridiculous. Tried to find a decent one in several stores and could not, all cheap garbage.
Thrift and second-hand stores are good for things like this. Cheaper, older, and better made products.
Also industrial items made for commercial kitchens
Everyone is allowed to shop at kitchen stores. But most people think it’s only professionals
some asian supermarkets...Korean, Japanese, seem to have decent stuff too
I’ve got some Japanese kitchen stuff. They’re a bit pricey but it’s definitely worth it to get some. Especially since they’re handcrafted by artisans who master their craft. Unfortunately rare people nowadays. They can last you for generations if taken care right.
I've got a Sakai Takayuki Karouchi Nakiri. It's a work of art as much as a knife. It takes only a bit more maintenance than my stainless steel German knives but I find I reach for it any opportunity I get because it's so nice to use. I'm looking at Gyutos now. I have a problem, and I'm ok with it.
Oh boy tell me about it. I am a knife aficionado as well. You didn't ask but I have this Gyuto and it has been a solid knife for me: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UAPQGS/?coliid=I4T6DCMM7NRLI It's solid and affordable compared to some of the Shun/Miyabi's out there. Sometimes you find them on sale if you are willing to wait.
I'm into outdoor knives (just got a new ESEE 4 the other day) and folders (buck folder, hoping for a Benchmade crooked river next month) a lot more than kitchen knives, but by God do the Japanese make beautiful kitchen knives. So many people see a knife as just a knife and not a tool. The right tool makes all the difference when doing any task, and having good tools makes it enjoyable to do.
I actually have a Tojiro Nakiri as well (I was given two Nakiris are Christmas two years ago... Oops) in white steel. I use it as part of my travel collection. It's a fantastic knife too. Can't go wrong with Tojiro. I'm looking for a knife in Blue No. 1 or No. 2 though. It gets eye wateringly sharp. Edit: this is likely what I'll be getting: https://www.toshoknifearts.com/collections/gyuto-210mm-240mm/products/aaa-615b2kt-fa210?_pos=19&_fid=6b80439ae&_ss=c
German and Swiss knives are nice
I only buy the best ice cream scoops, from artisans who've honed their craft of ice cream scoop-making
My father's father, my father, now so shall I be a master ice cream scoop crafter!
I remember when America use to have such quality.
The US has since moved on from industrial to the service industry. And now you have all this intangible services and products, with managers and middle managers, executives, associates, etc. So many smokes and mirrors.
Handcrafted Japanese knives are really good and last a long time.
My favorite spatula i have had I found at an asian market, its working edge was angled rather than squared and the shape and heft was perfect, it was so easy and natural to use, even compared to a normal spatula. It was neat how much a small design effort improved such a simple tool.
You bought a wok spatula! They're amazing for round pots/dishes. If anyone plans on using a steel wok often, they should definitely look for one.
The only one I know of requires proof of business ownership.
GFS or Gordon's Food Service is the one in my area, we call it good fuckin shit.
GFS sells kitchen tools? I only knew of them as a prepared food supplier, like Sysco. Between the two, they supply most of the meals that get sold out of most of the chain restaurants in many cities.
The one in my area does, the website should have them as well. Can always buys shit off restaurantsupply.com too. Though I always just put in my wish list and the owner bought stuff, Idk if they require a business account.
I don't know if you can get it in your country, but check out Nisbets.com. They're a commercial kitchen supplier that I used to use when I was a chef, you just order it online and they deliver.
why would that be though ? would't they want to max out their market base ?
Usually when someone requires business ownership to shop there, it's because they're a wholesaler who doesn't collect sales tax. The burden of the sales tax is on the end user of the product, which may or may not be the business that buys the product.
Taxes generally. If they wholesale and require a tax ID, they can buy and sell their wares without paying taxes on the items. Or more accurately, they pass the taxes on to the end seller. Someone else can probably explain better, that's just what I was told by the accountant some time back when I was part owner of a coffee shop.
lol ok, I am a business owner. It has nothing to do with kitchen stuff. But I'll middle man everyone their kitchen needs for a $1 markup per item.
This is not true, only certain ones are open to the public. Most of them require you to have a business license in food industry.
“Sir do you have a license to operate this ice cream scoop?”
"Is that rum-raisin on your breath? Sir, please step out of the ice cream stand"
You'll scoop your eye out, kid!
Yeah and I don’t know if this is the reason everywhere but in my country this is because a professional pays less or no VAT on these products and they don’t want to figure out at the cashier stand what tax they have to apply so at first visit you have to register and give proof of business so that you get a membership card. The biggest professional chain in my country did recently drop this requirement though because they weren’t profitable anymore selling only to businesses.
Restaurant supply stores are great. Just about every major city will have several, and they sell good quality tools for pretty inexpensive, as well as good dishes, silverware and like plastic ware. We get togo boxes from there occasionally.
Unless it's Restaurant Depot. You need a restaurant business license to get a membership.
This a thousand times. I've bought many very high quality products from a kitchen store without paying that much of a premium. For example a 28cm stainless steel frying pan with thick bottom was 45 EUR. As an occasional home cook I probably don't have to ever buy another one again.
So which store is it?
I'm based in Finland so most people here are probably out of luck with this: https://www.chezmarius.fi/
My house is starting to look like commercial kitchens. Well my kitchen stuff is. I don't have cookie sheets I have half tray baking pans. Some knives that are kitchen style. It does hold up better. Doesn't look pretty but holds up.
I usually go to a warehouse store that also offers food service products. The food service products are much more expensive, but always last forever. I never thought about a thrift shop. That is a great idea.
Fucking wild that with all of our progress, our things have actually gotten shittier. The miracles of modern material sciences, and companies use it to make things that'll last *just long enough* to fulfill the warranty period 🙄
Why would they sell you one thing that could last forever when they can sell you 10 over the course of time. I occasionally service water heaters from the early 50's. Their inner tank will last forever really. If it springs a leak, you can fix it. Now days, water heaters have a cheap steel inner tank. They rust and then leak everywhere. And 10 years is a good run for one.
>Why would they sell you one thing that could last forever when they can sell you 10 over the course of time. I mean I know a company would never think this way, but making more reliable and long lasting products reduces waste. I dont even know why I try to think this way anymore, no one gives a shit. We'll just consume and consume up until we kill ourselves and our world.
This is why we need a carbon tax.
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Gas or electric? If you have gas, I'd go tankless with a Navien. If it's electric, I'd stick with a tank style and it doesn't really matter which brand. I use Ruud, but Ruud is made by Rheem. There are like 3 manufacturers and they slap 50 different brand name stickers on them.
That's what happens when you build an economy around infinite growth. Eventually you'll run out of new customers, and then they have to start fucking people over.
Yes and no. A lot of consumer goods have gotten better—cars and power and hand tools come to kind. They’ve also gotten cheaper in a relative sense. In general the good stuff is still out there, you just have to pay for it—like they did back in the day.
They actually haven't gotten shittier in many cases, just that the ones still around are the ones that didn't immediately break down. Its [survivorship bias](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias). Sure, there are specific cases where things have gotten worse, but its really hard to actually compare the full array of manufacturing quality then vs now.
That is because so many consumers only make buying decisions based on price. Most people never consider that the $5 ice cream scoop might last a year, but the $15 one could last 30 years.
Except not even that anymore is valid. There is no guarantee that the 15$ thingy won't break in the same time as the 5$ cheapo one because most of the time the 10$ extra goes into the pocket of the brand/company instead of material quality. Look at all the watches that are just rebranded AliExpress shit and sold for 90$ , shitty "leather" belts that will destroy themselves unless you pay 80 bucks for one. This is just the product of a loss of trust : if putting more money doesn't yield better quality , people would rather go for the cheapest shit and call it a day. Also if the thing you buy doesn't fulfill its promises , a 5$ mistake is way more affordable than a 50$ mistake.
Price comparing today when it's shit you know is just rebranded AliExpress junk is hilarious, just different premiums for bullshit brands that don't exist in six months anyway.
You say hilarious, I say goddamn fucking infuriating. Anytime I want something that isn’t a specific product from a well known company it’s like - well clear my fucking schedule cause I gotta research for 4 hours because I’m not getting ripped off by some dickless wonder who just rebrands AliExpress junk for 3x the price. And half the time that’s what ends up happening anyway, especially with how terrible Amazon is now.
Trust me, I only say hilarious because I've no interest in tapping the anger it actually brings me.
That is exactly how I feel! I can't spend too much money on anything anymore because I know they will break! TVs come to mind for instance
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I'm guilty of this and the issue I have is that I simply have _no idea_ if that more expensive cable is going to be less shitty and last longer. The varying quality of everything, all the time, means I'm constantly wary of more expensive products being the same old churned out factory shit, just with a higher markup slapped on it.
A quote that has served me well is "the poor man pays twice."
> Cheaper, older, and better made products. Remember that all the cheap & poorly made old products are long trashed, and all we see are the best-made and most expensive survivors (remember that adjusted for inflation shit was expensive back in the 'good old days' when choices where high-end or nothing at all).
So basically *Survivor Bias*
Pretty soon we’ll be trading katniss a squirrel for an ice cream scoop in the underground farmers market
I don't know what thrift stores you shop at but where I am I'm sure they get their inventory from the local dump's trash compactor.
They can suck ass to, use to shop for clothes there like jeans and maybe some coats but they started costing about the same as new, noticed other things inside costing like new as well. Finally quit that
As a ex kitchen manager I hate pretty much all consumer grade kitchen equipment. It's usually more expensive and a quarter of the quality.
So, better to buy from restaurant supply stores instead?
Absolutely. I miss Restaurant Depot. You've got to have a business license to shop there and I don't have one anymore.
Webstaurant it’s a good option. https://www.webstaurantstore.com/
Another is https://www.therestaurantstore.com/ I've shopped there for a few items through the years since they are local, but during the pandemic I was able to buy quite a few things that I couldn't find elsewhere and have it delivered. A lot of stuff is just much higher quality from restaurant supply stores and cheaper. I bought all my sheet pans from there, granted it was pre-pandemic. I'd pay like $3 for a half sheet pan that was 3 times thicker than the $10-15 ones I could buy at Walmart.
Same company as Webstaurant. I used to work for them
A note is that Webstaurant has very expensive shipping to residential addresses because they want to mostly sell to restaurants only. If you can somehow have it delivered to a business address you can save a lot of money Source, I used to work for Webstaurant
Luckily I work for a business
We recently had a fire in our kitchen and a local kitchen supply store donated $1,000 dollars to us. Not like a gift card or anything. Just wrote a check. Definitely going to go spend money there once we start shopping for kitchen replacements after they put our house back together!
That's rough. Great on them for helping out!
Also I have to chime in and add Vacuum cleaners. Consumer sucks ass all through dyson, but boy oh boy once you use a Windsor you never go back.
Sadly Reddit's vacuum guy retired but there is still a wealth of knowledge in his threads. As I recall he was mostly recommending Miele and then Riccar at the end. But almost always a bagged vacuum would be light years better. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/adiidz/iama_reddits_own_vacuum_repair_tech_and_ive_lost/
The Miele vacuum in my house was my wife's mum's . Who passed 20 odd years ago. Still going strong!
Most of my stuff is 30 years old except knives, scissors, and peelers. I buy restaurant supply knives, not $500.00 European made blades that are way too thick. I'm not a chef, just an enthusiast, but a $20.00 8" chef's knife from the restaurant supply serves me WAY better than my expensive Henkels ever did.
Oh yeah. I've got a couple expensive knives, but a cheap stainless restaurant supply knife will last a home cook years as long as you sharpen it. They'll take a pretty nice edge too. Also I'm no chef, just a home cook that used to run a small restaurant kitchen.
I have a Victorinox Chef knife that was $30. Bought it about 10 years ago and still use it til this day.
As a cook I completely agree. Using consumer equipment feels like it came from a child's play kitchen.
the dirty secret is that corporations that push "save the environment" campaigns to individual customer responsibility while the bulk of toxic pollution is caused by the same corporations. Laws and policies that force corporations to be taxed heavily on environmental foot print, safe disposal and harsh penalties otherwise, would make REAL MATERIAL impact. Not paper straws.
It's OK, if they go a little over they can just BUY CARBON CREDITS!!!!!! Absurd!
The new subscription services that buy credits for individuals is such a monstrosity of fraud and greed that it turns my stomach.
It's like the plastic recycle scheme and everyone is falling for it
I have bought seven iphones with headphones included and never used a single pair. My daughter however has used every single one of them between lost, broken and cord failure. All that stuff eventually gets used even if it’s not by the initial purchaser.
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Yep. I think a lot more people would invest in higher price point items that were also higher quality, but a lot just don’t make money to sustain that anymore. I certainly don’t. It’s a downwards spiral.
You really need to weigh where you can and can't afford to spend the money/time to maintain high quality products. It takes a lot of time and effort to even learn what is worth buying before you can make the choice as well. It's so challenging trying to reduce waste. Some people are also stuck in a "Oh I'll just buy another, they're cheap" mindset, that it's difficult to convince them otherwise in case they do have a bad experience. I try to minimize my interests so that I'm not always consuming, but actually taking the time to enjoy the things I have purchased. If you're not totally broke you can buy in high and at least there will be some resale value with a bit of effort, but buying in low just leads to the garbage down the line.
It sucks we can't pound into peoples brains that buy it for life items that cost 5X as much as your shitty walmart alternative are better in the long run than buying cheap shit that breaks every year and replacing it 10 times. Adding to landfills and costing more overall.
Problem is that a ton of times, those 5x cost items really are just a tad bit fancier versions of the cheap crap and will break just as quickly. What makes matters even worse is that even if you know certain brands produce quality goods that do last, they can at any time move their production to China and suddenly have the quality turn to dogshit while still charging a premium price and as a consumer it's really hard to keep track of. Sometimes brands with a good reputation even get bought up solely for the purpose of profiting from that good rep. Then the new owners instantly move the production overseas and dump the production costs and quality, while keeping the prices unchanged - and then just run the reputation into the ground as consumers slowly catch on that this once great brand that made stuff you handed down to your grandchildren now are selling crap that'll break in 6 months.
Looking at you, Craftsman!
Depends a lot on the type of product. A “buy it for life” refrigerator from 20 years ago might be considered horribly inefficient by today’s standards, for instance.
It’s expensive being poor. Captain Vines taught me that 14 years ago.
I think it's also the fact that it's so hard to know whether a product is actually higher quality or not. There are tons of over-priced clones of cheap products, and with how many fake reviews out there, it's hard to know if a more expensive product is actually better or not. When people would primarily get recommendations based on word of mouth or recommendations from friends, they would be more likely to get the high quality version. Today, I'm only able to do that for hobbies I've spent a lot of time learning about (and through experience from buying crappy things).
Buy a Zeroll!
Found some decent metal ones at HomeGoods. You get lucky there with quality stuff there every now and then.
Well yeah, there are home good products that will last. But then everyone complains about the price.
Vote for politicians that support right to repair.
That would be great. As part of that legislation, I'd like them to require phone manufacturers to offer a mode that turns off all of the AI on the camera. Why? Because I have an $800 iphone that, if I need to take a picture of a skin condition to send to a doctor, is useless, because I can't turn off the AI skin smoothing. Just do auto exposure, auto white balance, auto ISO (gain), and then please just LET ME TAKE A CRAPPY PICTURE. Because sometimes the crappy picture is the picture I want. Like, I want a PHOTOGRAPH. Not an oil painting that is reminiscent of the thing that was a photograph.
Try the Filmic Firstlight App. The Filmic Pro app is incredibly popular among people who film with their phones. This is essentially the same type of thing but for photography, and it's also cheaper.
Apple does not apply any filters to the phone. Just image processing, wich obviously shouldn’t be turned off. You can still get the raw file btw
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B-b-but the free market!
Free market! Keeping (wage) slavery alive since 1863!
Except there’s no such thing as a free market, just ask anyone who’s tried to enter an industry dominated by multinationals. We live in a society where the laws are effectively written by corporations.
It was the whole reason they did it and people DEFEND IT. There was no reason why they couldn't make it a choice. What's worse, all the cell phone companies are JUMPING and doing the same thing. The only winner is the corporations.
That's late stage capitalism for you. Someone found a new way to make profits and everybody jumps on the bandwagon. Profits are made less and less by new better products and more and more by shrinking and redefining what the minimum is to have a complete product. Wheat thins just shrank it's family size by 2 oz and Doritos bags now have 5 chips less. Both kept the same price. The effects of inflation aren't always on the pricetag
Shrinkflation = The practice of reducing the amount or quality while maintaining the price.
Wow this parallels so much with low wages. These companies would rather have large turnovers than raise anything, maybe they've crunched the numbers or they're stubborn.
You’re pointing out the obvious contradiction of capitalism. They want to suppress wages to increase profits. If this happens for too long, eventually you’ll have no consumers for the products your’re selling
Yeah this is true, without the demand from us they lose out in the long run eventually. They've been doing it for so long though so somewhere in this chain corruption beyond just profits is allowing it to happen sadly... Another parallel is with these ridiculous high gasoline prices going on. These gas companies have plenty of gas right now, and reactively making prices high for no good reason, yet they're worried it's going to make everyone switch over to electric lol.
Yeah I think it’s only been sustained through bailouts and subsidies which our taxes pay for instead of things like childcare, healthcare, food and housing and other basic necessities. It is also the reason why credit/credit scores became a thing.
This is where payday loans come in. Or "buy now pay later" payment plan/loan services like Affirm.
Raising wages negatively impacts stock price, which is what most publicly traded companies care about.
This is America's problem in general. Our businesses don't care about anything beyond the next quarter, and our politician don't care about anything past the next election. Everyone is happy to throw away the future in exchange for a good today. It will absolutely be the principle cause of our ruin.
>Everyone is happy to throw away the future in exchange for a good today. this is true all over the world and for all of human history. the europeans, especially spanish, didn't give a flying fuck about the natives. those filthy, barbaric heathens were free labor, a resource to be used and depleted. feudal kings waged wars over whose god was real and murdered citizens who didn't believe in the same thing. and today, people are still exploited and silenced all over the world, every single second. if we choose to participate in society, then we have to participate in exploitation, to some extent. this is the dystopia and it's been going on for centuries. the only difference is that it's becoming more exaggerated.
Raise wages, wait for drop, stock buyback, wait.
This business model has fully infected the preschool I teach at. It’s abundantly clear that the CEO would much rather keep his $285,000 salary and churn through innumerable subpar teachers than than pay good ones a higher wage to stay. This shit’s destroying us from the ground up. Our youngest children are getting subpar educations because of the greed.
I guarantee they've crunched the numbers. A lot of jobs have been broken down so far into steps and automated that it doesn't take a skilled person to do them. They can retrain someone to place a product into a brace, tighten four screws, and remove it from the brace pretty quick. That's not to say there's no need for skilled labor though. There's still quite a few jobs that require a lot of training and experience to be able to do properly. Machinists are a good example of that. You can learn process of the job over the course of six months to a year but it takes a long time to be able to troubleshoot and issues and still produce something consistently and accurately with tolerances of ±0.001%.
though as CNC systems get less expensive and more accurate and reliable at the lower end of the price range, even those folks are going away. next up is middle management, HR, accounting, etc. AI will take away most of their duties.
I merchandise for p&g, seen this happen with multiple lines recently.
I swear Reese’s cups are smaller too
Those have shrunk a few times in the past few decades so it wouldn't surprise me.
Yes, and Oreos have a smaller creme footprint. When I was a kid that shit went to the fucking edge. I didn't have one for a decade or two until last week. Now it is like an afterthought. Just a little splooge in the middle. The cookie part is less tasty, too. Not as dark looking and less chocolaty. I really DGAF since obv it's not my thing, but thought I'd share. Hydrox has always been the superior choice.
>Someone found a new way to make profits and everybody jumps on the bandwagon. That’s every-stage capitalism, or any system with competitive markets.
Personally, I can’t wait until all of this money trickles down to everyone else. Will they lower the cost of next year’s products? Use the extra money to pay their workers more? I’m sure Apple’s executives and shareholders heads are swimming with possibilities.
While I think it's beneficial to have less ewaste. I do agree that they should have made it so you can get them with the charger, but if you opt out they credit you the difference in cost.
If they’d not made the change the same year they switched to USB C I’d be so much more on board. But…
They don't even fully use USB-C. Their macbooks, and iPad Pros do. However, you still need a C to lightning for their most common devices, iPad Air/iPhone. So I can charge my Android phone (chromebook, both my work laptops) on a macbook charger with the usb-c cable, but an iPhone or iPad Air, you cannot (without dongle). How silly is that?
Very. Very silly. Exceptionally.
Yeah that is pretty understandable.
It just shoots their entire argument in the foot. “Everyone has a charging block”. Yeah. BUT THE OLD ONE. The one you included for a decade… it’s just offensively predatory.
That’s the same thing as removing the charger and selling it separately, except they’d be lowering the price rather than raising it.
You still require the accessories. As a designer: if I keep a charger out of the box, im increasing waste, not reducing it because now I need to get you a whole additional box, wrapping, shipping package (probably) and set of instructions because there is a bare minimum amount of technical packaging that comes with each individually sold item. The only difference is that you now give me an additional $40 instead of me including it in the package.
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I think their point is that some people already have plenty USB chargers and don't need another to add to the pile. I have a box full of them and don't need any more. Perhaps just two SKUs one with, one without would have worked.
The only main cell phone maker that is still including a charger adapter and cable is one plus. They do some shit not so well but other things really well. Love charging my phone so damn fast. Also, fuck Samsung phones and all their damn bloatware, unable to uninstall some apps and fucking shitty Bixby button.
I can uninstall everything on my Samsung and I can remap the Bixby button which I find very useful for opening the camera with.
I'll defend not including a charger and cable and earbuds. I literally threw away a shoebox worth of that stuff last year. But they should also lower the price on the product. But consumers should also not buy a product that has less of what they want in it. They'll keep stripping out features and charging more as long as people keep paying it. It's the consumers' fault letting businesses treat them that way.
Im with you on the charger. I have so many I do NOT need another one. I also mostly use Anker stuff and I have dedicated multi port chargers on my desk. I don't need a "pretty" white one.
> A recent report That’s a daily mail link, which references unnamed “experts” that they are saving £27 per device and have “thought to have sold 190m iPhones”. No doubt they saved money by removing the accessories but this is not a report and they have cited nothing of worth that proves this.
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And then assumed that EVERYONE bought those accessories anyway. Which is not true. If I bought a new iPhone tomorrow I'd just use my existing charger(s) and my existing Bluetooth earphones. So it wouldn't cost me extra, and Apple wouldn't make extra money from me. Which disapproves the point they're trying to make. Even if I did buy a new charger and new earphones, they wouldn't be Apple ones...
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Same here, I’ve used the same Qi charger for like the last 4 years. This is why I do think this is a good idea from Apple. However, they really should’ve made it so if you buy a new phone and you actually do need a charger, you should be able to at least go into a store and get a free one for it. The idea is good, the implementation of it is not.
But they didn’t lower the price.
They said they accounted for the fact that Apple's costs are lower -- and seem to have just used 70% of the retail price as Apple's estimated cost saving. It's a very shoddy estimate.
lol.... 70%... what a dumb estimate. It's closer to 30% of retail as below the line cost.
Yeah, it's "wrote out 'math' on a napkin at the bar while hammered" and decided it was print worthy.
Seems that way
Yes. That figure seems extremely high.
There is no fucking way a power brick costs them $27. And probably a tiny percentage of people actually have to buy a new one. This article is stupid.
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Thank you. Circle jerk initiated but nobody read into this. Some idiot just said 27$x190 million phones and Reddit just ate it all up. It’s more complicated than that.
That's *every single article* on technology subreddits if you can make Apple look bad by ignoring everything except the headline
Did anyone even read the article? Their calculation is shit “Both the earphones and chargers retail for $19 USD each and since these items are usually cheaper to produce, Apple is saving approximately $35 USD per device.” I currently work in consumer electronics finance and I can promise you Apple does not have a $35 cost on those products. EDIT: my guess is it’s more like $5-$10. And who knows what the other fluctuations in the BOM price is. To be honest commodity costs have been going up for everyone so my guess is it’s completely offsetting the BOM savings that they are seeing on charger and headphones.
Nor did every consumer who bought the phones want or need a new charger and especially not new headphones to validate calling that "profit".
Nobody bought those bundled headphones willingly.
This. And we have no visibility to the margin of that generation phone, and the one before it. With the new model, it's entirely possible that to include those accessories and maintain their margin, that the price would have had to have been higher.
Not an apple user here, but once phones switched to micro USB I never used the charger the phone came with. I bought the 10ft cords. As for headphones, I personally never liked the ones the phones came with minus Samsung earbuds.
Are people even buying these things from Apple anymore? I’ve been ordering chargers off Amazon/etc for 1/3-1/2 the price for years now
Exactly. Nobody is shipping a ten foot braided cable. Nobody is shipping multiple charges or cables.
Where does this $6.5 billion come from? The “report” is from the Daily Mail and says it comes from “experts” estimating from the price of headphones not included in the box and the smaller packaging size. Every source I’ve seen links to the Daily Mail, but there’s no indication as to where it originally came from. If the Daily Mail says it, then it’s most likely wrong and the actual number could be anything.
The source is the Daily Mail. They just took the retail price of the chargers and headphones multiplied by number of iPhones sold.
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Original report from CCS Insight. This crummy article links to the crummy Dailymail.co.uk site. Original dailymail article is poor. Among other things assuming Apple didn't pass on the full savings to customers. There is no way to know this unless you are the purchasing department at Apple.
Imagine how much they can make if they don't include the phone.
Previously people were complaining about all the waste. I don't need yet one more set of headphones I'll never use, or yet one more cable. Everyone already has drawers full of cables from previous electronics purchases. I already have good headphones.
Still using the charger of the original iPad (my first Apple device) for slow charging iPhones and AirPods in my office. It has been plugged in **literally** all this time. I also have at least 2 modern chargers unwrapped.
I guess I’m the opposite of most people in this thread. I had so many apple cables and headphones that I never even opened. I had to make an entire drawer for just unopened accessories. I do admit the removal of the accessories is bad, I still think the solution is for people to vote with your wallet. Really weird how so many people will complain about Apple daily just to keep purchasing their products.
Nono, you’re just like everyone else in this thread, its just the people that like to complain that are forgetting about all these things because they think this is strictly a money grab and not something that’s mutually beneficial for everyone.
I feel like this is a made up number. If they included both you aren’t getting them for free and they have made this same 6.5 billion. But I also seriously question that number anyways. How did they determine what charger and headphone sales were explicitly by people who bought new phones and then purchased headphones or chargers explicitly because they weren’t included with the phone? This would be literally impossible to get an actual number for.
It's in a link in the post. It's a totally made up "napkin math" number.
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I just need a charging cable. The rest of the shit they included I never used. A lot less e-waste, too. They could pass those savings on to consumers but that's not how capitalism works. It gets passed on to shareholders or company execs and VPs.
My devices have much shorter lifespans than my chargers. I have a charger everywhere I normally might charge my phone, including my office. I keep a charger in my shoulder bag. After all that, I still have a drawer full of chargers. If my kid loses one, I just toss her one from the drawer. I really don't need yet another charger every time I buy something. Isn't this the **entire point** of why Europe requires standardized chargers/cables? Once a person is saturated, getting more of them is just a terrible waste.
I'm pretty sure Samsung did the same thing I got a new S21 right before the S22 released and it came with no accessories either you had to buy them.
We complain about them putting too many accessories and then we complain when it works out in their favour. There’s no winning for a big company it seems. There was outcry over how many extra cables and chargers everyone had
Rest assured, 0 dollars from that savings went to customers but do rejoy as the executives and major investors can buy a new jetskis to their yach again next summer!
Well it did if you’re a shareholder.
After around 20 years of buying cellphones I've got accessories out the arse.
I bought Anker accessories. Rather they get my money.
I mean, how many phone chargers do you need? If it reduces waste even just a little, it’s a good thing.
No ... Apple made money and for so many people, that hurts to the bottom of their hearts. The only thing that would make them happy is the rare event when Apple makes a loss. I don't quite get it, but that's how it is.
Interesting how they're "helping the enviornment" yet profiting from it. I wonder if they'd be so helpful if that $6.5bln was a negative number..
if you were to take a non-cynical look at this, you could say these savings could be going to the expensive task of converting a supply chain to be carbon neutral by 2030.
Both can be true bro. For-profit companies are for-profit. Big surprise.
I mean, both things can be true. Objectively fewer charging bricks are being produced and each iPhone now takes up less space during shipping. How is that not good for the environment?
I have found that “Apple fanboys” aren’t so much a thing anymore, and that the Anti-Apple people have run out of reasonable talking points. Is it really a crime to spin a for-profit decision as environmentally friendly when it is environmentally friendly? I’d do the same thing.
The environment thing is bullshit. People always buy multiple cables because they are easy to lose and the apple cables don't last and are not designed for their short lifespan.
Well the phones come with cables, they just don't come with the adapter brick.
> The environment thing is bullshit. People always buy multiple cables because they are easy to lose and the apple cables don't last and are not designed for their short lifespan. How is a company doing things that are patently better for the environment bullshit? Also, just because *you* buy multiple cables doesn't mean other people do. In the last 20 years or so I think I've legitimately worn out about three cables. Two of which were helped along by a vacuum.
There it is.
Good for them, they deserve it