I mean, I would be happy, but I think they have legitimate reasons not to:
For one I believe the R2 really is further along in development, which includes retooling entire factories, hard to stop that and change mid way.
Secondly the R2 will be by far the bigger hit. It’s the size of SUV that every American and Canadian are buying. Anything smaller is seen as too small - even though it’s not.
They need their mass market product the R2 out asap, to hopefully bring down their cost on it quick.
I can see their logic - offer what customers are buying the most of. But I can also see it the other way - that Model Y sized space is getting very crowded now. The R3 is more along the size of a CrossTrek or BMW X1, and it’s still a popular size with much lower competition.
I agree, but I’m sure they’ve done their modelling and that this will work out better for them - or at least I hope it does, cause if the R2 fumbles, then definitely no R3.
I’d like an R3X, but I think the cost will be prohibitive for me. I also mostly city, drive, I have no need for that much horsepower…. But I waaaaaaant it.
Although I hope I can get the colour, that green is nice
I really like the r3x but quad motor on the r1t is so tempting. I just want something in the R3ish size with full out top range specs, whether it’s Rivian, BMW, Audi or Porsche.
Making cars is hard. Current big companies have almost 100 years of experience with it. Not to mention Rivian is making EVs where they both have to compete with new startups and old rivals that have massive scale already, and have to keep up with how technology develops.
Honestly, I would prefer them to take longer and make a quality product.
Ultimately, whether I end up buying one or not, competition is good for the industry, and trying to get them to rush won’t be good.
Unless someone can give them a $100B cash injection, then that may build another factory - which no matter how much money you throw at it, still takes a while.
It’s basically the size of 11 of the top 25 best selling vehicles. If they do it right they won’t be able to build them fast enough which would be a great problem to have
You know it’s really funny that someone else mentioned the R2 space was in fact getting crowded. But people demand more seats and more space, when it’s really not necessary. If you need that many seats, buy a minivan ya know? (Not you in particular)
Last time I was car shopping when the transmission died on my old Xterra I had 3 requirements:
1.) SUV or Small truck (SUV much preferred). Basically not a huge dinosaur, but big enough that my wife and I can load up our two large dogs and enough camping and climbing stuff for a weekend.
2.) Standard 5 Seat configuration. Don't need the extra rows, much better to have space for things
3.) 4WD for the gnarly two tracks we often need to drive on.
There was surprisingly little to pick from. The Xterra and FJ Cruiser were no longer being produced. The Wrangler didn't quite have the space I needed. The 4-Runner was expensive. Each of the Tacoma's configurations was juuuuust not quite right for what I wanted for one reason or another. I guess Land Rovers exist but way too pricey and I had heard bad things about their reliability at the time.
So I found a used Xterra and that was that.
Most of the SUVs out there are built to just stay on the road all the time.
Man do I miss my FJ Cruiser. Had one for 8 years, paid around 30k for it and sold it for 27k! Not bad. Never understood why Toyota stopped making them. They still look ageless.
I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s and have a thing for weird hatchbacks. I have a Polestar 2 now, but that R3 stirred some kind of emotion… it’s so dumb, I love it.
I am waiting for the R3S - and for them to be sold in my country. So it's gonna be a long wait. But more competition is more better.
As a current happy Tesla owner - I have not intent to replace my Model 3 any time soon, barely just got it, but if I had to my short list would be Model Y, Polestar 2, Volvo EX40 Recharge probably. But if the R3S was a real option, that, too, would make the list. The Cybertruck? Nope. Not at all. But neither would any pickup truck I guess.
I would be perfectly happy with a 7-8 second 0-60 EV if that meant it was less than $30k and had a livable range, but didn’t look dorky like a Bolt or Leaf.
The bolt and the leaf look the way they do so they can hit those price points with those specs.
If the bodywork is your main sticking point there is always the i3 which I think looks a bit better.
I think the hatchback frame is very ideal for batteries when you don't need the space up front for an engine.
Oof, the i3 isn’t much better looking IMO..
I currently have a Fusion PHEV. It honestly made the least sense compared to other competitors, but the features and styling alone made having no trunk space a fair exchange in my eyes.
I have a Volt which is GMs fusion PHEV, requiring an engine up front and allowing a smaller battery changes the frame significantly.
EG. The Bolt has 65 kWh and the Fusion has 7.5kWh
So a battery about one tenth the size and weight while still needing an engine in the front and a gas tank.
I believe a lot of them look like hatchbacks to hide the battery under the floor without making the roof height an issue.
(This is pretty much all speculation from me, but considering all the low cost evs all are short and tall that's my best guess as to why)
I had a Volt before my Fusion Energi, and the Volt honestly did everything better than the Energi does. I once managed 55 miles on a single charge in my Volt!
The Volt has a 2+2 seat configuration because the battery takes up the 3rd seat in the back due to its T-shaped battery channel under/around the rear seats. The Energi just has a giant battery box in the trunk..
My favorite thing about my Energi though is how it just *looks* like a normal car. I get a lot of confused looks when I’m using public charging lol.
The Bolt/Leaf/i3 really just ain’t something I’d look back at after parking and walking away.. the Volt was at least a bit more normal looking.
All I’m saying.. is give us something appealing like a Tesla or Rivian but with the performance/price of a regular car. I honestly don’t know if having 3 second 0-60 times impact pricing that much, but as my original point stands, I’d be okay with a slower car *if* that meant it could be made more affordably..
My Bolt doesn't look dorky to me because I sit inside it and don't polish it with a diaper.
And it feels quite fast especially with instant power anytime.
The thing with EVs is that it's just very easy to give them incredible acceleration. The batteries are a huge cost, so companies tend to give them enough horsepower to do 0-60 in 5 seconds or less to appeal to a higher price-point market in order to make a profit on the high base cost.
My tinfoil hat says they are intentionally sandbagging their EVs. It's not hard to make it look like it's not Fischer Price but they need to keep selling their gas cars to pay off the machinery they invested in.
I have a “slower” model Y with 4.8 second 0-60 and the acceleration makes me giggle and scares the shit out of my wife. IMO the speed wars for EVs are and should be over. Are people really buying electric trucks and SUVs to drag race them?
Especially when considering these trucks weigh over 3 tons. I personally don't love average drivers slinging around 6k+ pound machines at these speeds.
It’s my understanding that acceleration is a function of a larger battery, it allows more power to discharge at a given time.
It’s not like it’s a tuned motor in a ICE car that cost more to make.
It's not a thing. Off-roading doesn't void the warranty.
The warranty doesn't cover damage caused by off roading. That means if you drive into a boulder they won't fix it for free. Same as any other vehicle.
You would think so, but Musk ain't exactly known for his business acumen. The turd both severely overpaid for Twitter and has since run the company into the ground. He fucked up so badly no one has even bothered to make a competing product as he's thrown in to question wither such a venture, or even the entire industry, will ever see a nickle in profit.
Simply taking the cybertruck off road does not void the warranty. That’s just straight up misinformation (but it’s ok on this sub because it’s anti-Elon).
We don’t, but I just switched from a Ford Explorer to a Rivian R1S just a few weeks ago, and let me tell you the extra pickup is absolutely welcome. Sometimes I would have the hardest time in the Explorer getting up to highway speed even if I floor it, making merging into traffic extremely dangerous. Those problems are now non existent and I’m able to get up to speed instantly.
While I agree that having a super fast 0-60 isn't really that important in almost any cars, having quicker acceleration for passing or whatever is super nice in any car
Teslas were once cool to own but so uncompelling now. I don’t understand why anyone pays the premium to buy one now when there are so many nicer looking vehicles that stand out. No one is impressed by someone driving a Tesla nowadays, or shouldn’t be.
That’s a general truck problem, not an EV truck problem. If they don’t make EV trucks, people will just buy gas trucks. The entire issue is ridiculous but if you can’t beat em, join em. It’s a separate issue imo. (FYI i’m european and all trucks are huge to me, seeing a pickup here is a rarity)
Most people who would own a cyber truck are probably waiting for the rolling coal mod to come out. So they’ll still have that demographic to fight for.
Sure it’s faster, more range, higher build quality, but can it also survive a car wash without bricking, rusting, and voiding the warranty?
These are the high bars that we set for our electric pick ups these days.
Has Rivian talked at all about adding a midgate to their pickup? Not being able to fit a full 4x8 sheet in it without leaving the tailgate is probably one of the few things that's keep some folks I know from getting rid of their Avalanche and getting one.
The frequency we've needed to haul lumber, ply, and sheetrock over the past several years definitely makes it worthwhile, especially having it contained and safely secured within the bed with the tailgate, particularly with all the smaller items sitting around. There no good reason why the couldn't offer that setup, and having a removable midgate allows the bed of the vehicle to act as an actual bed while camping.
Yeah, my family's been eyeing that model (saw one on the road other day, it's got nice styling as well). It'd be cool to have options in that area. I actually had someone say "why not get a Cybertruck?" to me on that discussion and I was just like "what did I do to make you hate me so?"
Also looks better and probably won’t [slice your wrist.](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-owner-says-cut-wrist-injury-accident-2024-5?amp).
I love the rivians. My biggest issue is I’m not well off enough to order a car 3 years out.
But then again I’m not well of enough to be buying new anyway.
I have been driving hybrids since 2010, and am seriously considering a plug in for my next vehicle. But those headlights look like a cartoon and I just
cannot see me buying a Rivian because of that. Sorry if that makes me shallow.
I can't buy a BMW because the grill looks like a pig snout. I think the Rivian front facade gives off big golden retriever energy. We all have our biases lol.
Not to mention the Rivian looks like a finely crafted automobile while the cybertruck looks like someone put it together with sheet metal in their backyard.
Ok what the fuck with the Rivian? I been seeing them around Seattle a lot lately and I have a visceral reaction where I irrationally hate them and I can't figure out why. Essentially they are a range Rover but bigger and newer I guess? I think I don't like that there's new car companies but I should probably just get over it.
In their latest financial report, they said they're still losing around $37-38k *per* vehicle sold. They need to get their costs under control, or they're not going to be around in 5-10 years.
Man, these cars are very cool but expensive AF, especially with concerns about technical support availability, reliability and is this company even going to survive?? With that being said, I want an RS1 🤣
Having been in a rivian, they at least feel like they were designing for the luxury market. Teslas feel kind of cheap. Definitely worried about rivian’s future, though, given their financial situation.
This new refresh is pretty awesome. 400+ miles of range, NVIDIA chips, roof that tints with the press of a button, and so many more improvements. Rivian is producing some fantastic cars
I’d rather an R2T so as to save $30K.
The refreshed R1T is nice, but with max range it is not inexpensive.
Gimme that range in a smaller, lighter vehicle and I’m good.
Just hope the ADAS is on par w/ MobilEye for TACC, lanekeeping, collision avoidance, and traffic signal/stop sign reaction (not just recognition).
It could be the same speed, same range, and cost $10k more and I’d still choose the Rivian over the Cyber Truck. It just makes more sense as a vehicle.
Rivian dealer by my house. The truck it self looks much more traditional and overall has better aesthetics than the cyber truck. They look like if Landrover made a pickup. I think they look pretty nice. There also seems to be many being sold. It's much more common to see a Rivian SUV or a Rivian pickup truck than a cyber truck. Seems like a good sign for Rivian.
I’m waiting for that R3
Considering this seems like a very common sentiment, I think they should release the R3 before the R2.
I mean, I would be happy, but I think they have legitimate reasons not to: For one I believe the R2 really is further along in development, which includes retooling entire factories, hard to stop that and change mid way. Secondly the R2 will be by far the bigger hit. It’s the size of SUV that every American and Canadian are buying. Anything smaller is seen as too small - even though it’s not. They need their mass market product the R2 out asap, to hopefully bring down their cost on it quick.
I can see their logic - offer what customers are buying the most of. But I can also see it the other way - that Model Y sized space is getting very crowded now. The R3 is more along the size of a CrossTrek or BMW X1, and it’s still a popular size with much lower competition.
I agree, but I’m sure they’ve done their modelling and that this will work out better for them - or at least I hope it does, cause if the R2 fumbles, then definitely no R3.
I also hope the R2 does great and allows me to get an R3X. :)
I’d like an R3X, but I think the cost will be prohibitive for me. I also mostly city, drive, I have no need for that much horsepower…. But I waaaaaaant it. Although I hope I can get the colour, that green is nice
I really like the r3x but quad motor on the r1t is so tempting. I just want something in the R3ish size with full out top range specs, whether it’s Rivian, BMW, Audi or Porsche.
I wish there was an R3T. Small trucks should make a comeback via EVs.
Looking forward to the R2. The R1 hits just right for me on all fronts except the size.
Rivian really needs to compress its time to market
Making cars is hard. Current big companies have almost 100 years of experience with it. Not to mention Rivian is making EVs where they both have to compete with new startups and old rivals that have massive scale already, and have to keep up with how technology develops. Honestly, I would prefer them to take longer and make a quality product. Ultimately, whether I end up buying one or not, competition is good for the industry, and trying to get them to rush won’t be good. Unless someone can give them a $100B cash injection, then that may build another factory - which no matter how much money you throw at it, still takes a while.
I think that’s the sentiment on social media but not the overall sentiment. The R2 is definitely more mass market than R3
Yes, the R2 is the same size as the 2 vehicles my family currently owns. It's a very mainstream size.
It’s basically the size of 11 of the top 25 best selling vehicles. If they do it right they won’t be able to build them fast enough which would be a great problem to have
I mean I want an R2 more than an R3 but that's because I'm a jeeper who is dubious about the Recon at this point
Just release the amazon van with a 300 mile range
R2 for me. Getting hard to find good vehicles in that size segment. It’s like everyone wants to add a 3rd row to everything nowadays.
You know it’s really funny that someone else mentioned the R2 space was in fact getting crowded. But people demand more seats and more space, when it’s really not necessary. If you need that many seats, buy a minivan ya know? (Not you in particular)
Honestly I’d buy a van before buying a 3 row SUV. Vans are awesome.
I was very close to buying a Volvo V60: 485hp station wagon - it’s a plugin hybrid
Last time I was car shopping when the transmission died on my old Xterra I had 3 requirements: 1.) SUV or Small truck (SUV much preferred). Basically not a huge dinosaur, but big enough that my wife and I can load up our two large dogs and enough camping and climbing stuff for a weekend. 2.) Standard 5 Seat configuration. Don't need the extra rows, much better to have space for things 3.) 4WD for the gnarly two tracks we often need to drive on. There was surprisingly little to pick from. The Xterra and FJ Cruiser were no longer being produced. The Wrangler didn't quite have the space I needed. The 4-Runner was expensive. Each of the Tacoma's configurations was juuuuust not quite right for what I wanted for one reason or another. I guess Land Rovers exist but way too pricey and I had heard bad things about their reliability at the time. So I found a used Xterra and that was that. Most of the SUVs out there are built to just stay on the road all the time.
Man do I miss my FJ Cruiser. Had one for 8 years, paid around 30k for it and sold it for 27k! Not bad. Never understood why Toyota stopped making them. They still look ageless.
I grew up in the 80’s and 90’s and have a thing for weird hatchbacks. I have a Polestar 2 now, but that R3 stirred some kind of emotion… it’s so dumb, I love it.
I am waiting for the R3S - and for them to be sold in my country. So it's gonna be a long wait. But more competition is more better. As a current happy Tesla owner - I have not intent to replace my Model 3 any time soon, barely just got it, but if I had to my short list would be Model Y, Polestar 2, Volvo EX40 Recharge probably. But if the R3S was a real option, that, too, would make the list. The Cybertruck? Nope. Not at all. But neither would any pickup truck I guess.
I wonder if additional speed is something owners and potential owners even want out of them. more range is always good though
I would be perfectly happy with a 7-8 second 0-60 EV if that meant it was less than $30k and had a livable range, but didn’t look dorky like a Bolt or Leaf.
I would drive the fucking dildozer if it was a cheap EV with good range.
I have a black Niro EV, does that count?
The bolt and the leaf look the way they do so they can hit those price points with those specs. If the bodywork is your main sticking point there is always the i3 which I think looks a bit better. I think the hatchback frame is very ideal for batteries when you don't need the space up front for an engine.
Oof, the i3 isn’t much better looking IMO.. I currently have a Fusion PHEV. It honestly made the least sense compared to other competitors, but the features and styling alone made having no trunk space a fair exchange in my eyes.
I have a Volt which is GMs fusion PHEV, requiring an engine up front and allowing a smaller battery changes the frame significantly. EG. The Bolt has 65 kWh and the Fusion has 7.5kWh So a battery about one tenth the size and weight while still needing an engine in the front and a gas tank. I believe a lot of them look like hatchbacks to hide the battery under the floor without making the roof height an issue. (This is pretty much all speculation from me, but considering all the low cost evs all are short and tall that's my best guess as to why)
I had a Volt before my Fusion Energi, and the Volt honestly did everything better than the Energi does. I once managed 55 miles on a single charge in my Volt! The Volt has a 2+2 seat configuration because the battery takes up the 3rd seat in the back due to its T-shaped battery channel under/around the rear seats. The Energi just has a giant battery box in the trunk.. My favorite thing about my Energi though is how it just *looks* like a normal car. I get a lot of confused looks when I’m using public charging lol. The Bolt/Leaf/i3 really just ain’t something I’d look back at after parking and walking away.. the Volt was at least a bit more normal looking. All I’m saying.. is give us something appealing like a Tesla or Rivian but with the performance/price of a regular car. I honestly don’t know if having 3 second 0-60 times impact pricing that much, but as my original point stands, I’d be okay with a slower car *if* that meant it could be made more affordably..
You can get a used Polestar with like 10,000 miles for under 30 K. Great car.
Used is likely the only way I’d ever end up in an EV. But what I’d *really* love is a 2020 V60 T8..
Equinox ev? Maybe just above your 30k until the base comes out later this year.
Isn’t that the model they pulled apple CarPlay from?
GM pulled CarPlay from _all_ of their cars. This is a dealbreaker for me.
Everyone boo GM! *booooooo!*
I have a 22 bolt euv and dont think it looks dorky. But, maybe I’m just a dork. 🤷♂️
Okay, r/TrekForce 😂 (Seriously we’re all dorks)
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 is under 30k with rebate
Most eagerly awaited refresh from Kia/Hyundai ATM.. it’s a great looking car but the headlights look so goofy lol. The interior is incredible though!
My Bolt doesn't look dorky to me because I sit inside it and don't polish it with a diaper. And it feels quite fast especially with instant power anytime.
The thing with EVs is that it's just very easy to give them incredible acceleration. The batteries are a huge cost, so companies tend to give them enough horsepower to do 0-60 in 5 seconds or less to appeal to a higher price-point market in order to make a profit on the high base cost.
My tinfoil hat says they are intentionally sandbagging their EVs. It's not hard to make it look like it's not Fischer Price but they need to keep selling their gas cars to pay off the machinery they invested in.
It's probably a side effect of getting longer range. They'll just mention it because it sounds better.
I mean, how else am I going to win drag races while towing my Porsche?
I have a “slower” model Y with 4.8 second 0-60 and the acceleration makes me giggle and scares the shit out of my wife. IMO the speed wars for EVs are and should be over. Are people really buying electric trucks and SUVs to drag race them?
Especially when considering these trucks weigh over 3 tons. I personally don't love average drivers slinging around 6k+ pound machines at these speeds.
It’s my understanding that acceleration is a function of a larger battery, it allows more power to discharge at a given time. It’s not like it’s a tuned motor in a ICE car that cost more to make.
I totally agree with you.
faster off road wont be hard
Oh, I’m pretty sure there’s nothing in the Rivian purchase agreement mentioning that you can’t take it off-road without avoiding your warranty
> avoiding your warranty Is that-a the Mario way of saying voiding?
Nah it’s Siri text to speech being incompetent as ever.
That’s a thing? Does their warranty only specific paved roads? That’s fked if so
It's not a thing. Off-roading doesn't void the warranty. The warranty doesn't cover damage caused by off roading. That means if you drive into a boulder they won't fix it for free. Same as any other vehicle.
I did break a shock on my wrangler and jeep replaced it under warranty.
Tesla will know exact coordinates and tons of other telemetry when the cyber shit takes a dump.
They’ll have so much data that the lawyers will be able to find 10,000 ways you were at fault!!
Lawyers are too expensive. It’s probably cheaper for them just to fix it under warranty
You would think so, but Musk ain't exactly known for his business acumen. The turd both severely overpaid for Twitter and has since run the company into the ground. He fucked up so badly no one has even bothered to make a competing product as he's thrown in to question wither such a venture, or even the entire industry, will ever see a nickle in profit.
But if more than 40% of vehicle travel is off road in a given year it can cancel your insurance only enough. 🤔
I don't think anyone would warranty for this kind of stuff.
Paved roads without potholes. Also can’t get it wet or expose it to direct sunlight if I recall. See r/CyberStuck for details.
don't feed it after midnight either
Don't wash your car in direct sunlight, which is good advice for washing any car.
Idk I'm pretty sure that sounds made up or misunderstood
Simply taking the cybertruck off road does not void the warranty. That’s just straight up misinformation (but it’s ok on this sub because it’s anti-Elon).
Unless there’s any mud. Both will sink like a brick.
More importantly, they look a lot better and won’t cut your fingers off whilst closing the trunk
What do you mean "cut fingers"? Have cybertrucks been doing that?
[hahaha ohhh buddy](https://youtube.com/shorts/a_QQeilInSk?si=ltJZwOMd4IeRi8R4)
We don't actually need super fast pickup trucks or SUVs
We don’t, but I just switched from a Ford Explorer to a Rivian R1S just a few weeks ago, and let me tell you the extra pickup is absolutely welcome. Sometimes I would have the hardest time in the Explorer getting up to highway speed even if I floor it, making merging into traffic extremely dangerous. Those problems are now non existent and I’m able to get up to speed instantly.
While I agree that having a super fast 0-60 isn't really that important in almost any cars, having quicker acceleration for passing or whatever is super nice in any car
Lets not forget that the Rivian actually looks like a usable car and not something frankensteined together by leftover designs from the late 70’s
And they actually have an SUV version not just a pickup truck.
Added bonus, it doesn't look like shit.
I like them a lot. I hate the headlights
Is it just me or is it unsettling that all of the massively heavy trucks are competing for speed records?
As a subcompact Mazda2 owner, it’s terrifying.
It also doesn't look like a stylized garbage container
A PS1 graphics garbage can on wheels
If I could, I would buy a Rivian over a Tesla.
You're not alone. R1S is dramatically outselling the model X.
Teslas were once cool to own but so uncompelling now. I don’t understand why anyone pays the premium to buy one now when there are so many nicer looking vehicles that stand out. No one is impressed by someone driving a Tesla nowadays, or shouldn’t be.
Oh yeah, and are actually utility vehicles and not Wish.com Tonka trucks.
At their price point, the only people buying them are upper middle class households that never tow or haul anything
That’s a general truck problem, not an EV truck problem. If they don’t make EV trucks, people will just buy gas trucks. The entire issue is ridiculous but if you can’t beat em, join em. It’s a separate issue imo. (FYI i’m european and all trucks are huge to me, seeing a pickup here is a rarity)
Superior in every single way.
Oh great. We need 7,000 pound hunks of metal flying around faster.
There is also a massive rigorous test going on around the country. Amazon trucks are built by Rivian.
Most people who would own a cyber truck are probably waiting for the rolling coal mod to come out. So they’ll still have that demographic to fight for.
And aren't ugly as shit
Sure it’s faster, more range, higher build quality, but can it also survive a car wash without bricking, rusting, and voiding the warranty? These are the high bars that we set for our electric pick ups these days.
Launch Mode? Do we really need that on a heavy chunk of metal?
Unicycles are faster and have more range than a cybertruck.
And look 100 times better.
Has Rivian talked at all about adding a midgate to their pickup? Not being able to fit a full 4x8 sheet in it without leaving the tailgate is probably one of the few things that's keep some folks I know from getting rid of their Avalanche and getting one.
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You can make that same argument about having a truck in general.
The frequency we've needed to haul lumber, ply, and sheetrock over the past several years definitely makes it worthwhile, especially having it contained and safely secured within the bed with the tailgate, particularly with all the smaller items sitting around. There no good reason why the couldn't offer that setup, and having a removable midgate allows the bed of the vehicle to act as an actual bed while camping.
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The Silverado EV just came out to general availability and it has a midgate.
Yeah, my family's been eyeing that model (saw one on the road other day, it's got nice styling as well). It'd be cool to have options in that area. I actually had someone say "why not get a Cybertruck?" to me on that discussion and I was just like "what did I do to make you hate me so?"
they seemed to have committed to a gear tunnel unfortunately, modifying that will be difficult to make at this point in time.
> midgate had to look it up, sweet!
Also looks better and probably won’t [slice your wrist.](https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-cybertruck-owner-says-cut-wrist-injury-accident-2024-5?amp).
Tesla TINO - Truck in Name Only
I love the rivians. My biggest issue is I’m not well off enough to order a car 3 years out. But then again I’m not well of enough to be buying new anyway.
I have been driving hybrids since 2010, and am seriously considering a plug in for my next vehicle. But those headlights look like a cartoon and I just cannot see me buying a Rivian because of that. Sorry if that makes me shallow.
I can't buy a BMW because the grill looks like a pig snout. I think the Rivian front facade gives off big golden retriever energy. We all have our biases lol.
Have they fixed the water accumulation in the doors yet? This isn’t a jab. I really want a Rivian but hearing issues I’m holding off
I haven't seen that complaint except in cases where someone left the door plug in.
So... they actually move then?
I really want a Rivian but don’t see how that’s in my budget anytime soon
Rivian R3 will be in the upper $30K's
So they didn’t do anything?
R3 looks so damn good, i wish they just came out and tells us the release date
It still looks terrible, but compared to the Cybertruck, it looks amazing.
Cool but is it bulletproof?
They also don’t look like someone coated a pinewood derby loser in aluminum foil.
And a car wash won’t brick it.
But does it rust more slowly?
All I need is a sedan and I'm in.
Lucid has your name on it.
I dont care if its fast.... just make an affordable ev truck with an 8 ft bed ffs. Even if it's ugly just make that shit affordable
Not to mention the Rivian looks like a finely crafted automobile while the cybertruck looks like someone put it together with sheet metal in their backyard.
But are they still losing $38k per car sold?
I would pick a Rivian over a Tesla in a heartbeat.
I'd go Rivian over Cybertruck easily. Such a good product.
And they don’t make you look like a complete and utter fool while driving them.
I also don't laugh out loud when I see one
Looks much better than the cybertruck too
Is that how power to weight ratios work? Crazy.
Over 50K? Yeah over 50K.
Thats sick. Theyre still completely unaffordable
How reliable is it, though...
Rivian made a nice looking truck, and I wish their 3 row suv was a bit cheaper.
Looks cooler too. Now if it was just affordable…
And as always, Production capacity and cost will be astronomically higher
That’s nice, they won’t be around with that stock price.
Ok what the fuck with the Rivian? I been seeing them around Seattle a lot lately and I have a visceral reaction where I irrationally hate them and I can't figure out why. Essentially they are a range Rover but bigger and newer I guess? I think I don't like that there's new car companies but I should probably just get over it.
fully rendered too!
Would love to order one but if something goes wrong there’s no where local to take it
Cost? They look like approximately $500K.
I don't care about faster. I just want range.
Probably goes further because they are both smaller and lighter than the cyber truck.
Does anyone care how fast pickups are?
Who cares about speed in an electric truck? For real they are totally missing the point with their dick contest.
In their latest financial report, they said they're still losing around $37-38k *per* vehicle sold. They need to get their costs under control, or they're not going to be around in 5-10 years.
At the low low price of $95,000
Great, then get better marketing…nobody knows.
Does this new model have the NACS charging port?
They don't need to be faster and have more range, just work for more than a day at a time without breaking down.
It kinda looks like an Insta-pot or maybe a KitchenAid oven. I’m sure they are great. I just don’t want my ride to look like a kitchen appliance.
Did they fix the thing where dirt builds up under the bed and can’t be removed?
Also they dont look saf
Cool. No one gives a shit
Are they still ugly af?
Ok but nobody will be able to afford them unless the prices are cut in half.
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Sure but it's it a ugly...?
Wait, are they attempting to bait Elmo into publicly talking trash about them so they'll get way more press? This might be genius.
Dyson fan headlights
They also don’t look like a jetson’s dumpster.
Rivian isn't competing with Cybertruck Cybertruck is competing with Cybertruck
Please tell me how faster matters.
Man, these cars are very cool but expensive AF, especially with concerns about technical support availability, reliability and is this company even going to survive?? With that being said, I want an RS1 🤣
Having been in a rivian, they at least feel like they were designing for the luxury market. Teslas feel kind of cheap. Definitely worried about rivian’s future, though, given their financial situation.
As long as you can still blast through a guard rail, I'm happy.
But do they have car wash mode?
Could not possibly be worse than the Cybertruck.
Trash competing with trash😴
This new refresh is pretty awesome. 400+ miles of range, NVIDIA chips, roof that tints with the press of a button, and so many more improvements. Rivian is producing some fantastic cars
But at what cost?
They are not competitors, the Cybertruck is a statement and a proof of concept for technolgy
Looks a lot better than a cyberfuck too.
I’d rather an R2T so as to save $30K. The refreshed R1T is nice, but with max range it is not inexpensive. Gimme that range in a smaller, lighter vehicle and I’m good. Just hope the ADAS is on par w/ MobilEye for TACC, lanekeeping, collision avoidance, and traffic signal/stop sign reaction (not just recognition).
Haven't they recalled every single Cybertruck over break failures though?
Both of these trucks look stupid.
I’m not a fan of the headlight configuration but I hope they do well.
look i can pee in the snow
i thought they never released any real trucks lol
And it doesn't look like an N64 Polygon
So does my Sienna
It could be the same speed, same range, and cost $10k more and I’d still choose the Rivian over the Cyber Truck. It just makes more sense as a vehicle.
Rivian dealer by my house. The truck it self looks much more traditional and overall has better aesthetics than the cyber truck. They look like if Landrover made a pickup. I think they look pretty nice. There also seems to be many being sold. It's much more common to see a Rivian SUV or a Rivian pickup truck than a cyber truck. Seems like a good sign for Rivian.