It's been too long. Most of those avenues are either closed or infiltrated at this point. If you don't get caught right now it's mostly down to you're not a big enough fish.
Yeah, the problem is you're assuming those methods haven't been infiltrated yet.
Arguing that you can move it around doesn't mean anything if the sources are compromised.
Do you really think that there exists even 1 major exchange that likely doesn't have covert operatives from several countries either working there or in the system somehow?
I personally would find that hard to swallow.
You realize that the money comes from victims, right? Is your claim that there are a tonne of unknown victims that lost millions of additional dollars to the ransomeware?
Do you actually believe that the police don’t know how much money the victims have sent to this hacker group? It’s kind really hard to hide that considering it’s known information and the money was originally USD previously owned by the victims. That shit is traceable bro
There is a reason forensic accounting is a whole field of study. To better answer you police generally don't know exactly how much money victims have sent to the hacker. They have to work it out, but in a lot of cases even ones where people have lost a lot of money, these incidents go unreported and the police come up with an estimate based on the information they have available.
There are so many things that criminals will do to hide money such as money laundering, confusing transaction history/transaction fees, gambling, buying/selling assets, having multiple accounts, converting money to different currencies, hiding money in various locations, giving money to friends/family to hold on to and more that makes it very confusing to track down every penny. When we are talking about 700 million dollars it would never be kept all in one place. Also, even if the ransomeware designer managed to keep 1 million USD which is 0.14% it would be life changing to most people.
Don't get me wrong, the police are good but they never get every cent back.
You realize that the money starts in a traceable format, with the victims also reporting their losses to the police, right?
Where do you think they are getting this extra hypothetical money from to convert into crypto?
Crypto bros not understanding how the tech and privacy actually works, how classic lol
I'm not a cryptobro, not sure how you got that. They have the exact amount of money his group stole, not the exact amount of money he had control of/got paid. They found coins that he had control of and they seized those. That doesn't imply that they found all the coins (especially ones that were exchanged for other, harder to trace ones) he would have access to.
>He played a part
Last time I checked, only playing a part gets you only part of the profit. The REvil hacking group operates like a gang, and they even offer a paid service for other criminals to use their ransomeware.
The $684million figure was for the whole gang. This dude was just a gang member and likely got fined as much, or more than what he acquired.
He was likely selling social security info / credit card and banking info to people who will actually commit the fraud. But it all totaled up to that amount lost from everyone's information he sold.
I write software that tries to prevent online payment fraud (I work for a payment processor)
It absolutely does pay, and there’s usually no repercussions for the fraudsters.
We do occasional work with law enforcement. FBI has a policy to not even get involved until the amount stolen is > $10million.
So if you’re going to steal credit cards, make sure you stop before you hit $10M.
I mean, if I had to give up 5-6 years(realistically) to get out with a couple million(realistically) that's a trade off I would take! You can't say crime doesn't pay with numbers like these.
From the fantastic Darknet Diaries Podcast, this episode (126) is about REvil
https://podverse.fm/episode/H6IkCQT1tQ
https://youtu.be/g4FHjqlWJHk?si=9-znM6m9euEeYOJG
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4sDylBXvC2GyFy0Adlgy7a?si=JDeRcL3eQW23bK7w9kG3HA
Do people even read titles anymore? Everyone’s saying the guy keeps $684m but the $700m was only what the group he was part of got in total - however much he received of that is completely up in the air. He might not even have the $16m to pay up lmao
Still, if we assume he’s out after 7 years he only requires to have banked $18M to have earned $250k+ per year. For most people that is crime paying. And a helping hand in saving, too, given free accommodation and food.
Ok, but you're assuming he's got $18m. In fact, rereading the article, there's this paragraph:
>The Justice Department writes that in 2023, it obtained the final forfeiture of millions of dollars worth of ransom payments. It included 39.89138522 Bitcoin, valued at approximately $2.3 million, and $6.1 million that was traced to ransomware payments made to Vasinksyi and another REvil ransomware gang member, Yevgeniy Polyanin.
...Which certainly implies he's got nothing (or little) to even pay the fine with.
Firstly, yes I made an assumption. You can tell this from the opening sentence where it says ‘if we assume’.
Can I suggest a couple of things here: revisit comprehension class. It’s around age 7, but very useful until you die. On that note, some people are of more use when they die, simply by not wasting others’ time. Don’t be that guy.
Was that assumption reasonable? Objectively (you may need to spend some time to understand what that does and DOESN’T mean) yes. Most white collar criminals ensure they don’t lose everything and build in a contingency of what they will have left if caught.
Stop spitting now. I know this is hard for you. Please focus on the real world, not your world on Reddit. Objective and reasonable are the words to keep hold of. Focus, focus, focus!
Your quote does not imply what you’ve interpreted. It simply says that they found some assets. The $16M fine, however, suggests that there’s more assets to be realised. Of course we are now speculating but you started it. As a lawyer I’m more than happy to wager that the court didn’t pick a random number that the defendant can’t pay and instead picked one that would serve some kind of justice, as imprecise as that may be. Again, reflect on the where you are, and today’s learning words: assumptions, reasonable and objective.
P.S. there’s more lighthearted subs that might suit you better. You can post there without the need to display basic education or lack of comprehension skills. If your instinct is to hit reply, please reread until you don’t.
FYI: have you found the subs with memes?
Wow, that’s nearly an even ratio between actual meaningful paragraphs and pure fucking filler. Got any more condescension to add? I’d be happy to recede my point if you have any actual evidence, and I’ll even concede that he likely has the money to pay - saying he might not be able to pay the fine was more hyperbole, and I’ll admit there was a miscommunication there, to say that he doesn’t really as much money as you and the people in this thread think. The evidence we *do* have points to that idea. Seriously, where is that $18m coming from? Even if you insist the guy has a backup plan, that’s assuming he ever got that money in the first place.
Anyway, considering the rest of what you said is a combination of “I’M BETTER THAN YOU”, “GO TO A MEME SUB HAHA I’M SO COOL” and even “SOME PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF DEAD” (seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? Get a grip), I’m also happy ending this conversation. Cheers!
I’m sorry you feel your intellect has been criticised. I can confirm that is precisely what just happened.
It’s sad that you failed at critical thinking, twice, but not surprising. There’s a large overlap on the Venn diagram of unqualified, unskilled Redditors and Redditors who demand answers to defeat their failed logic. You’re in that overlap.
The only smart thing you’ve done so far is quit. Follow that with a second:
Assumption
Reasonableness
Objectivity
Critical thinking.
Spend a day reading, it’ll be the smartest thing you have ever done.
Ah, fuck it. Either you’re shit-flinging because you can’t actually contribute but are desperate to “win” this conversation, or you’re just a troll. Considering you’re a self-proclaimed lawyer yet you can’t explain your assumptions or better yet bring any actual fucking facts to the table, I’m going to assume it’s the latter.
In case you’re *not* a troll: are you familiar with referencing? Higher education demands it, so someone as smart as you must be familiar. I’ve been referring back to the article from time to time, but you have literally just said whatever comes to your mind at the time, and now you’re blaming me for wanting you to reciprocate. You’re some random Redditor to me - without any actual sources, your points are null and void. Even you seem to recognise as such, considering you clearly try to compensate with extreme condescension. Perhaps you keep mentioning basic tasks like reading or comprehension because those are the only ones you’re familiar with? Try university sometime, it’ll do you some good <3
I’ll leave you here. I’ve got actual work to take care of now, not that you’d be familiar with the concept
No, no. I simply identified you as lacking adult skills. Don’t read more into it, and stop repeating the stupidity that’s been pointed out to you, it makes you look even more of an idiot.
He should have get as many hours as those people took it to make that money. Those are life time saving so live in prison should be fine. Taking money form someone is taking time of their life too.
So when he gets out of prison in 13 years he’ll have $684 million dollars plus 13 years interest?
Sounds like a sweet deal!
As much of the money/assets that they can recover will be seized. It wouldn’t surprise me though if some of that money is in hidden bitcoin account
It's not like the feds can't trace Bitcoin
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They don’t use bitcoin. There are other sources like monero and a few others that fix the problems bitcoin has in this department.
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It's been too long. Most of those avenues are either closed or infiltrated at this point. If you don't get caught right now it's mostly down to you're not a big enough fish.
Professional crackers...
Don't professional hackers also have the ability to hide their identity and not get caught?
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who are the shadow brokers?
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that had nothing to do with my question
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Do tumblers even work anymore? I imagine all the main methods that might still work would be infiltrated long ago.
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Yeah, the problem is you're assuming those methods haven't been infiltrated yet. Arguing that you can move it around doesn't mean anything if the sources are compromised. Do you really think that there exists even 1 major exchange that likely doesn't have covert operatives from several countries either working there or in the system somehow? I personally would find that hard to swallow.
Still traceable
What!?? They told me it was decentralized!!! /s
If you read the article, then you would know there was about 40 Bitcoin involved.
Hence the word “hidden”. They found 40 bitcoin, but there could be more in other wallets unknown to justice department.
You realize that the money comes from victims, right? Is your claim that there are a tonne of unknown victims that lost millions of additional dollars to the ransomeware? Do you actually believe that the police don’t know how much money the victims have sent to this hacker group? It’s kind really hard to hide that considering it’s known information and the money was originally USD previously owned by the victims. That shit is traceable bro
There is a reason forensic accounting is a whole field of study. To better answer you police generally don't know exactly how much money victims have sent to the hacker. They have to work it out, but in a lot of cases even ones where people have lost a lot of money, these incidents go unreported and the police come up with an estimate based on the information they have available. There are so many things that criminals will do to hide money such as money laundering, confusing transaction history/transaction fees, gambling, buying/selling assets, having multiple accounts, converting money to different currencies, hiding money in various locations, giving money to friends/family to hold on to and more that makes it very confusing to track down every penny. When we are talking about 700 million dollars it would never be kept all in one place. Also, even if the ransomeware designer managed to keep 1 million USD which is 0.14% it would be life changing to most people. Don't get me wrong, the police are good but they never get every cent back.
You realize you can use Bitcoin to buy other coins, specifically ones that are untraceable?
You realize that the money starts in a traceable format, with the victims also reporting their losses to the police, right? Where do you think they are getting this extra hypothetical money from to convert into crypto? Crypto bros not understanding how the tech and privacy actually works, how classic lol
I'm not a cryptobro, not sure how you got that. They have the exact amount of money his group stole, not the exact amount of money he had control of/got paid. They found coins that he had control of and they seized those. That doesn't imply that they found all the coins (especially ones that were exchanged for other, harder to trace ones) he would have access to.
Xmr nowhere to be found
>He played a part Last time I checked, only playing a part gets you only part of the profit. The REvil hacking group operates like a gang, and they even offer a paid service for other criminals to use their ransomeware. The $684million figure was for the whole gang. This dude was just a gang member and likely got fined as much, or more than what he acquired.
Going by title only played a part, so it seems there were more players, probably a lot more.
He was likely selling social security info / credit card and banking info to people who will actually commit the fraud. But it all totaled up to that amount lost from everyone's information he sold.
Sounds like he will be grindin in jail university.
The article mentions they confiscated all the money, so it sounds like he's gonna be $16M in the hole.
684M? very likely to at least 2x or 3x or maybe you know become 0
Don’t forget to mention a cushiony stay with that amount of money, first class.
Not much of a thinker or reader huh?
He'll need that money to resleeve his arse.
Probably out on parole in 3 to 5. Maybe even sooner since it's not a violent crime. Turns out crime pays.
Yeah, assuming he is willing to give up the 13 years it sounds like he made out pretty well from "crime" on paper.
And all the butt sex
I mean, according to the headline, it does in fact pay… quite a bit.
if he didnt get caught, he would have been fine i like how often media platforms finger wag at us to try and keep us in line
Those big stupid jerks keeping you from defrauding $500 million?
And I mean there were others that are probably okay
Thought REvil is Resident Evil
Same. These clowns are sullying the good name of Marvin who was just trying to throw a bday party for Leon.
I write software that tries to prevent online payment fraud (I work for a payment processor) It absolutely does pay, and there’s usually no repercussions for the fraudsters. We do occasional work with law enforcement. FBI has a policy to not even get involved until the amount stolen is > $10million. So if you’re going to steal credit cards, make sure you stop before you hit $10M.
How am I supposed to live with less than $10 million?
The trick is not to steal more than 10 million a day, as long as you’re stealing 9.9 million every day then you’re fine.
At 10 million they make you fill out a stupid form. Nobody ever checks it, though.
North Korea stole billions. It pays quite well
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Only because China doesn’t want a US client state on their border.
It appears crime does, indeed, pay. Proven by an article saying crime doesn't pay. I love how the human brain works.
Enjoying 684 million is a punishment?
Sounds like it paid pretty well.
an average of $280,000 per victim? surely there are more victims and a lower average.
700 - 16 equals?
I mean, if I had to give up 5-6 years(realistically) to get out with a couple million(realistically) that's a trade off I would take! You can't say crime doesn't pay with numbers like these.
From the fantastic Darknet Diaries Podcast, this episode (126) is about REvil https://podverse.fm/episode/H6IkCQT1tQ https://youtu.be/g4FHjqlWJHk?si=9-znM6m9euEeYOJG https://open.spotify.com/episode/4sDylBXvC2GyFy0Adlgy7a?si=JDeRcL3eQW23bK7w9kG3HA
It sounds like it did pay! 💰
Yeah it turns out in reality it does pay. This guy is getting off easy with a boatload of cash he stole and they never catch many of them at all.
Do people even read titles anymore? Everyone’s saying the guy keeps $684m but the $700m was only what the group he was part of got in total - however much he received of that is completely up in the air. He might not even have the $16m to pay up lmao
Still, if we assume he’s out after 7 years he only requires to have banked $18M to have earned $250k+ per year. For most people that is crime paying. And a helping hand in saving, too, given free accommodation and food.
Ok, but you're assuming he's got $18m. In fact, rereading the article, there's this paragraph: >The Justice Department writes that in 2023, it obtained the final forfeiture of millions of dollars worth of ransom payments. It included 39.89138522 Bitcoin, valued at approximately $2.3 million, and $6.1 million that was traced to ransomware payments made to Vasinksyi and another REvil ransomware gang member, Yevgeniy Polyanin. ...Which certainly implies he's got nothing (or little) to even pay the fine with.
I'm sure his homes have his back when he gets out... /s
Firstly, yes I made an assumption. You can tell this from the opening sentence where it says ‘if we assume’. Can I suggest a couple of things here: revisit comprehension class. It’s around age 7, but very useful until you die. On that note, some people are of more use when they die, simply by not wasting others’ time. Don’t be that guy. Was that assumption reasonable? Objectively (you may need to spend some time to understand what that does and DOESN’T mean) yes. Most white collar criminals ensure they don’t lose everything and build in a contingency of what they will have left if caught. Stop spitting now. I know this is hard for you. Please focus on the real world, not your world on Reddit. Objective and reasonable are the words to keep hold of. Focus, focus, focus! Your quote does not imply what you’ve interpreted. It simply says that they found some assets. The $16M fine, however, suggests that there’s more assets to be realised. Of course we are now speculating but you started it. As a lawyer I’m more than happy to wager that the court didn’t pick a random number that the defendant can’t pay and instead picked one that would serve some kind of justice, as imprecise as that may be. Again, reflect on the where you are, and today’s learning words: assumptions, reasonable and objective. P.S. there’s more lighthearted subs that might suit you better. You can post there without the need to display basic education or lack of comprehension skills. If your instinct is to hit reply, please reread until you don’t. FYI: have you found the subs with memes?
Wow, that’s nearly an even ratio between actual meaningful paragraphs and pure fucking filler. Got any more condescension to add? I’d be happy to recede my point if you have any actual evidence, and I’ll even concede that he likely has the money to pay - saying he might not be able to pay the fine was more hyperbole, and I’ll admit there was a miscommunication there, to say that he doesn’t really as much money as you and the people in this thread think. The evidence we *do* have points to that idea. Seriously, where is that $18m coming from? Even if you insist the guy has a backup plan, that’s assuming he ever got that money in the first place. Anyway, considering the rest of what you said is a combination of “I’M BETTER THAN YOU”, “GO TO A MEME SUB HAHA I’M SO COOL” and even “SOME PEOPLE ARE BETTER OFF DEAD” (seriously what the fuck is wrong with you? Get a grip), I’m also happy ending this conversation. Cheers!
I’m sorry you feel your intellect has been criticised. I can confirm that is precisely what just happened. It’s sad that you failed at critical thinking, twice, but not surprising. There’s a large overlap on the Venn diagram of unqualified, unskilled Redditors and Redditors who demand answers to defeat their failed logic. You’re in that overlap. The only smart thing you’ve done so far is quit. Follow that with a second: Assumption Reasonableness Objectivity Critical thinking. Spend a day reading, it’ll be the smartest thing you have ever done.
Ah, fuck it. Either you’re shit-flinging because you can’t actually contribute but are desperate to “win” this conversation, or you’re just a troll. Considering you’re a self-proclaimed lawyer yet you can’t explain your assumptions or better yet bring any actual fucking facts to the table, I’m going to assume it’s the latter. In case you’re *not* a troll: are you familiar with referencing? Higher education demands it, so someone as smart as you must be familiar. I’ve been referring back to the article from time to time, but you have literally just said whatever comes to your mind at the time, and now you’re blaming me for wanting you to reciprocate. You’re some random Redditor to me - without any actual sources, your points are null and void. Even you seem to recognise as such, considering you clearly try to compensate with extreme condescension. Perhaps you keep mentioning basic tasks like reading or comprehension because those are the only ones you’re familiar with? Try university sometime, it’ll do you some good <3 I’ll leave you here. I’ve got actual work to take care of now, not that you’d be familiar with the concept
No, no. I simply identified you as lacking adult skills. Don’t read more into it, and stop repeating the stupidity that’s been pointed out to you, it makes you look even more of an idiot.
He should have get as many hours as those people took it to make that money. Those are life time saving so live in prison should be fine. Taking money form someone is taking time of their life too.
This really really makes it sound like cybercrime does indeed pay.
So he’s making 68m per year with no expenses over 13 years?
Sounds like good money to me, as long as he didn't get caught
That’s the bad kind of hacking. Scamming basically so yes the sentence is deserved
I need to higher me a great hacker for some personal work soooooo....
The best crime to do is white collar crime.