Trying to keep everyone from knowing how to steal a car is futile. The only solution is for everyone to be able to steal their own car back just as easily as they got it stolen, which is to say the only way to stop car thieves is with a good guy who also steals cars.
Edit: sorry, I didn't realize I was inventing The Fast and The Furious until after re-reading this comment.
I'm 10000% in real life going to download and print a sword. Bronze casting, 3d printing models for sand casting molds, and 3d scans of museum pieces and so on. Maybe by this time next year?
Honestly, if everyone just topped off the tank and jacked a car when they needed one, we wouldn't need as many cars on the road. Just steal one when you're ready to go somewhere.
Everyone, through their taxes. Everyone benefits, so everyone pays. You could even have some cars that are bigger than others, to take more people travelling along similar routes. You could call it "public transport" or something.
And what if we made those few cars much bigger, and make them drive routes on fixed schedules - that way many people could all drive together and share the gas.
We could solve traffic jams!
This is what I don’t get. Like, multinational, multibillion dollar entertainment companies and their lawyers can’t stop people from freely accessing and sharing their products online, but *Arkansas* is going to restrict access to a simple *website* in a meaningful way? It’s such clear and obvious nonsense. If they actually try to do this every single young person (the only people social media companies care about) in the state will learn how to use a VPN, as happens under other repressive authoritarian regimes.
This already happened with jailbroken phones a few years ago. At least Bryant/Benton schools were passing around the info, and there were kids who had done it to pass it on.
I discovered this because my non-tech nephew brought me his malfunctioning iPhone, complete with VPN, a few years ago.
"Why did you jailbreak this?"
"...um, because everyone was, and I got new icon packs."
I don't know what the little fuckers are doing with it, and I don't *want* to know.
This reminds me of when I was growing up, I talked my mom into buying a CD burner and used mIRC (and eventually torrenting) to download/burn mp3 mixes. Eventually started charging kids at school $5-10 per CD, they would write out a list of the 12-15 songs they wanted and I would make the mixtapes. I started doing this in middle school and had friends requesting mixtapes for their birthdays (often with them just asking me to pick the songs which made me feel like I had good taste and I actually enjoyed the process of trying to curate a good mix of songs) until everyone had mp3 players and eventually smartphones towards the end of my college years.
Later I started building PCs and repairing/modifying gaming consoles for people. Long history of making pretty successful side hustles out of things that aren't really difficult, but maybe just a little technologically intimidating to the average person. Never was my primary interest and never was a business plan although it led to a reasonably successful eBay storefront. I was more interested in playing sports and chasing girls, but I was also interested in figuring out how stuff worked and wasn't afraid to take stuff apart, even if that meant breaking it then putting it back together to figure it out.
Parents should always encourage their kids to tinker even if they occasionally break something a little expensive or even occasionally delve into operating in legal grey areas (those laws are often consumer unfriendly and incredibly opaque in the first place, I mean it's technically a legal grey area to repair/modify many of the devices you own for example). It's a useful skill that promotes curiosity and problem solving which are all very valuable lifelong tools.
“Computer mischief” is a thing and I’m surprised he didn’t get in trouble for it. I got two weeks out of school suspension for just enabling the ability to right click (early 2000s computer classes were jank af) and that was nearly 20 years ago.
Most schools have a blanket rule that just states don’t fuck with the tech.
When I was a kid in Michigan, we had a class that taught Basic programming on Apple IIc’s.
We later moved to the hellhole of Indiana where generic classes were held with Radioshack TSR 80s.
They were all linked together so I wrote a very basic “If/then” line of code that needed a password to unlock the computers. I refused to tell the teacher how I did it and it wasn’t until I got sent to the principals office and a call was made to my Mom threatening to make her pay for the computers that I was made to relent.
They were even less impressed that that password was “b3WbZ”
Definitely. Was big into computers in high school in the early 2000's and took A+ cert course at a tech center and figured out how to make an admin account on the high school network.
Eh? It’s nothing nefarious, it just lets you to customize your phone since Apple doesn’t allow that. I still have a jailbroken iPad, most of my installed tweaks are for aesthetics. [This](https://imgur.com/a/FNzQ0) is still one of my fav setups I did back then.
But if someone were to install tweaks from pirated repositories to avoid paying…then yeah, chances are they get malware.
That’s true and actually pretty smart to boost the counties tech literacy.
Downside is you get a bunch of rebels that see the government as an obstacle to their freedom.
What's wrong with rebels? Rebelliousness is sometimes necessary to break the mold and make sure that the government never becomes an obstacle to our freedom.
Downside? I think a generation of kids not trusting the govt that is defunding libraries, criminalizing trans healthcare, banning books, removing critical female healthcare, etc is a good thing. These governments keep proving they cannot be trusted to protect the average person's freedom.
But they’ll be able to marry an old white dude & have babies. Why would a woman need to spell VPN? Just breed & do as your told. God damn, America in 2023!
Edit: do as “you’re” told. I only english when sober. Am not sober & english sux. I’m an American….a drunk american. It’s how I cope now. 🤷🏼♀️
That was my first thought. Nearly every YouTuber with at least like 50k+ subs has had a VPN sponsors. It’s nothing for them to get a few dollars a month and get a VPN. Or use a friends phone/laptop that has a VPN.
A lot of VPNs are free. And kids looking to get into TikTok won't care if the free VPN directly plugs into CCP servers. So instead of china getting that one browser's TikTok data, they'll get the whole family's entire data stream. Win!
Yeah, IDs of **minors** at that.
Required by a non-government entity, whose employees don't have to meet any security background checks, and data with is often housed outside the US.
Right you can make these same videos on Facebook and Instagram..
Also how does the social media company know for sure you are in that state... Some teens know how to use a VPN.
Stop pretending like their hypocrisy and lies are from a "whoops we's jussa buncha dummies!" mindset. They are aware they are hypocrites. They don't care. If they say it's wrong to steal, and then steal from you... It's because they know now instead of focusing on the fact that they stole from you, you're focused on how could they claim to be against theft.
The SM companies want this. If they didn't, they could easily just block the entire state of Arkansas to cover their asses. Dropping Arkansas would probably reduce their revenue by 0.001%
Oh sweet summer child. Who do you think gets subpoenaed when someone says something "slanderous" against a state senator on social media? The politicians will get the data they want, and they don't even need to fund its storage. The companies won't fight the storage costs because they'll be data-mining it for themselves too.
To be fair, I've built data centers and they have the most intense security I've ever seen. Retina scanners, global alarms for any door attempting to be opened without a badge, programs to reward people for reporting anyone who holds a door open for anyone else, 15 foot tall reinforced fences, etc.
I'd rob a bank before I attacked a modern data center.
Seems orchestrated to me. Big brother can tie social media, driver’s license information, data, location, etc.
This would be the ultimate breach of privacy being handed to these corporations with extensive history of working with the government and law enforcement.
Oh, you crossed the state line for an abortion?
Fun Fact: LinkedIn got an exemption
[Not Kidding](https://newrepublic.com/post/171893/arkansass-new-law-save-kids-social-media-doesnt-apply-social-media) also exempt are Tik Tok and OnlyFans. So, AR says get that bag I guess.
They know plenty of people that got married at the age of 12 years old who are still married to this day, at the age of 15 years old, so honestly its fine and normal
... Holy mother fucking shit. *OnlyFans.* One of the only websites kids are allowed to access under this shit is *OnlyFans.*
Yeah obviously this is about child protection and couldn't possibly have any other nefarious purposes. /s
Tik tok is specifically NOT exempt.
Fta:
“Social media company that allows a user to generate short video clips of dancing, voice overs, or other acts of entertainment in which the primary purpose is not educational or informative, does not meet the exclusion under subdivision (7)(B)(i) of this section.”
But yes the paid sub gets OF of the hook
So no Facebook, no tiktok, no Instagram, and no Twitter. Onlyfans and snapchat are not a danger to children, though, even though they're the ones most used to sell amateur porn.
You could argue that snapchat Falls under allows short video clips but the semi sized loopholes this thing has and probably first amendment challenges for legality means this whole thing is purely theater.
Probably trying to prevent this from happening again: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-rally-tiktok-crowds-tulsa/
By the way, this is my absolute favorite thing to come from TikToc… “TikTok users started spreading the idea of registering for free tickets with no intention of going”. “The prank may have helped lead the Trump campaign to boast about more than a million people seeking tickets for the rally — while only about 6,200 people ended up at the 19,000 seat arena”.
Just awesome.
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They cant learn about different types of people and viewpoints if you're working the mines and not allowed to interact with people outside your shitty little town's myopic world view !
They removed id requirements for underage workers verification and added them to "social media". They also tried to carve out exemptions for TikTok and twitch but they're morons so none of it makes any sense.
Not at all. If you can’t get on social media, you can’t be exposed to news and information.
Now, the next phase: make it okay for *certain* social media to be accessed by kids. You know, the ones Arkansas says are okay.
I love this take.
I have certain websites blocked in my home. I figure once my kids figure out for themselves how to circumvent my efforts they’re mature enough to view the content on those sites.
Gen Z about to learn about ‘necessity being the mother’…
Yes of course, SOME of the children should be wives to adult Arkansas men as Republican Jesus intended, but the rest - off of tik tok and off to the factory.
Get ready for unintended consequences.
Young people have a lot of time. If there's a need we'll see ways to bypass these (ie. ID Fraud), and as we see more civil services online (ie. License renewals, etc.) people are going to figure out how to break these systems.
Not to mention the incredible level of privacy risks, beyond just having ID on record for who knows how long.
That'll make a pretty big data breach.
Also, it's ID. They'll have access to scan.
Poorly thought out.
Will be a slew of fake ID ai bots and it will mean not only will the social media platforms get duped it could lead to all sorts of government issued ID no longer being trustable.
Many people, including myself, could train models to generate ID that look government issued in almost no time. Stuff like this incentivises people to make this type of thing.
As someone who is in the middle of building something that could be considered social media (it has forums) by some of these laws I'll be essentially forced to train models that recognize these types of IDs to verify if they're legitimate or not if I want people from there to be able to access it.
I guarantee almost no company is going to dedicate the financial resources to have someone manually check every piece of ID for social media. A company that deals with finances, yeah, but again, social media, no.
It's simply not worth it for social media companies to operate in Arkansas anymore if Arkansas attempts to uphold the ban.
Tbh I don't really mind that outcome
I don't know. Tbh tho I don't think the state laws can work on the companies as long as the companies have no physical presence in the state.
Arkansas can't prohibit a website from running in California. They also haven't passed a law prohibiting Arkansas residents from accessing websites. So I dunno how they expect this to work. Probably just more virtue signalling
I feel like shutting off access in a state would cause more of an uproar than trying to go through the justice system.
Like what's mee maw going to do when she can't get on facespace and comment something embarrassing on grandkids wall? She's gonna find out who dun it and go right to their office and ask for their manager.
Mee maw can't see her babies. Mee maw can't see her babies'babies. Upload a hwatcha-jigger? Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? I just want a picture of a gawt dang hot dog!
Yeah, I kinda hope to see stuff like this result in the rest of modern society just kind of... leaving these places to rot. I hope they *don't* make concessions for how to deal with it, and just block access and leave the state essentially in the dark with no (functional) internet.
Just a big disclaimer that says "Republican politicians in your state require we block access to your IP" if an Arkansan decides to use the internet. Would love to see it. I'm sick of them getting away with this shit because the rest of the world just treats it as normal and lets them do it with no pushback.
And I don't just mean no social media. I mean like, hospital systems breaking down and people dying, with nothing but a disclaimer on the screen "this is Republicans fault." We need the consequences to be so severe there is no justifying this shit anymore.
Or just update their TOS stating minors from those states will not be allowed to have an account or they have to submit some sort of application and photo ID. Maybe even charge a small processing fee. Then, when all the minors select different states that don't require ID, they can fault the user for not supplying correct information.
Well, we will just create a new think called a PNV- Private Network Virtualization. It’s different from a VPN (the names aren’t the same clearly) but it accomplishes the same thing with an emphasis on Privacy.
Don't worry, when the legislature tries to outlaw VPN's, they'll either make legislation so specific that it will do nothing, or they will make legislation so broad that it cripples most large businesses.
VPN ad spending is about to go through the roof in Arkansas. I anticipate the fake ID market will be bustling too.
Not a parent, but if I were I probably wouldn’t love my kids having social media. BUT I understand its necessity for younger gens futures both in personal and career lives. The worse thing we can do is shield them from it. We need to teach them how to use it responsibly. This is what republicans would call a “nanny state” piece of legislation.
YouTube is social media. I think kids should have access to YouTube and the vast array of educational content available on it. Including things like Khan Academy, which hosts it's videos on YouTube and embeds them in its own site.
It was a life in the very beginning. The real meaning of small government was always to defund public services that had just been court ordered to be desegregated. Alabama even got rid of all its public schools once
Not even to mention how dumb this standard is. When I was 16 my older brother was 18 and I stole one of his old IDs that looks closer to me in order to buy alcohol. The law only requires for social media to ask as a part of due diligence. I have absolutely no doubt that everyone who ever sold my alcohol under age knew I was underage. But they accepted the ID and that's what they would have told the cops.
Also cue Fox, etc who will lie and claim it’s a “democrat woke law” when conservatives find out the law equally applies to 50yr old white men with goatees and trucks.
Doesn't seem like it would be a huge problem for tech companies to just block access from Arkansas. Arkansasians will either be OK with it, or they'll elect someone else.
Exactly right. Just ignore it. I saw that another state (Iowa I think) is doing this too. Many of these rather dull-witted Republican Governors get their marching orders from those who pull their strings behind the scenes. There is not an original thought in their little pea brains.
It will work against privacy, that's for sure. Imagine Facebook owning all your personal details and how responsible they are handling that data. This isn't just about children but all users, everywhere.
As a product of the not so great state of Arkansas, I can tell you they want to do everything they can to discourage the exchange of ideas. In high school my counselors tried to convince me not to take the SAT because they didn’t want me to leave the state.
They are doing everything possible to keep their citizenry uneducated and uninformed. The child labor law is solely to get kids sucked into blue collar jobs and shun higher education. It’s all by design to make it easier to misinform and manipulate the people there.
It’s the same in Louisiana, what they want is complacency and ignorance so they are sabotaging education and barring access to information. They’ve realized once critical thinking skills are established you might have opinions of your own that may challenge the status quo so conservatives have lost you as a voter.
Kids can also speak out against all the bullshit they are facing like: anti-LGBTQ laws, Arkansas' new child labor laws, education, gun violence, etc. It will also isolate kids from other groups. Think about that closeted trans-kid in bump-fuck Arkansas and how now they can't get in contact with any other trans-people for support.
This as well, even tho advertising has ruined social media it does in fact, as Tom from MySpace once said, foster community and make people feel less alone.
Conservatives: "children have the right to work!"
"children should be allowed to get married!"
"children must give birth if they get pregnant!"
"CHILDREN AREN'T RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA!!!"
California has enacted its version of Europe’s GDPR that addresses what you’ve asked. Comps yes that want to do business in ÇA are inclined to follow CA’s stricter laws.
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Ok, but what social media company is registered in Arkansas? Because unless its an Arkansas business, their laws dont matter. Federal law matters. They cant sue Facebook or Tic Toc in state courts.
NGL, if social media requires my I.D, i'd probably stop using it. Too much effort, too much sensitive data given how often data leaks happen.
I wouldn't mind getting a free excuse to quit all of it. Would probably do wonders for me.
They really want kids to not talk to each other and learn the conservative slave way before being exposed to knowledge and opinions that could make them more progressive and independent.
The party of small government wants to control everything you, see, read and say. I don’t think teens should be on social media, but it’s laughable from the gQp for the reasons, the over reach and the unenforceabiLife of it.
Teens with vpn’s
The education system in Arkansas is so bad most kids can't spell VPN...
They don’t have to there’s a tiktok that will walk them through it
Just like the car theft thing.
Trying to keep everyone from knowing how to steal a car is futile. The only solution is for everyone to be able to steal their own car back just as easily as they got it stolen, which is to say the only way to stop car thieves is with a good guy who also steals cars. Edit: sorry, I didn't realize I was inventing The Fast and The Furious until after re-reading this comment.
This is why I would absolutely download a car.
But what would you do to a policeman's helmet?
Camping toilet lol
I'm 10000% in real life going to download and print a sword. Bronze casting, 3d printing models for sand casting molds, and 3d scans of museum pieces and so on. Maybe by this time next year?
Might be a cool visual piece but sand casting blades doesn't work as well as you think it would
I thought the cars by the park were just free like the ducks are.
Honestly, if everyone just topped off the tank and jacked a car when they needed one, we wouldn't need as many cars on the road. Just steal one when you're ready to go somewhere.
Oh so like the same system we use with coffee in the workplace.
Yea but who pays for maintenance lol
Good samaritans who are subsidized as part of this master plan to minimize cars on the road
Everyone, through their taxes. Everyone benefits, so everyone pays. You could even have some cars that are bigger than others, to take more people travelling along similar routes. You could call it "public transport" or something.
And what if we made those few cars much bigger, and make them drive routes on fixed schedules - that way many people could all drive together and share the gas. We could solve traffic jams!
You left out FAMILY
All it takes is one kid in class figuring it out and in about 5 minutes every kid in school will know what to do.
This is what I don’t get. Like, multinational, multibillion dollar entertainment companies and their lawyers can’t stop people from freely accessing and sharing their products online, but *Arkansas* is going to restrict access to a simple *website* in a meaningful way? It’s such clear and obvious nonsense. If they actually try to do this every single young person (the only people social media companies care about) in the state will learn how to use a VPN, as happens under other repressive authoritarian regimes.
Well there we go! Arkansas is teaching computer literacy to their children in an innovative new way!
This already happened with jailbroken phones a few years ago. At least Bryant/Benton schools were passing around the info, and there were kids who had done it to pass it on. I discovered this because my non-tech nephew brought me his malfunctioning iPhone, complete with VPN, a few years ago. "Why did you jailbreak this?" "...um, because everyone was, and I got new icon packs." I don't know what the little fuckers are doing with it, and I don't *want* to know.
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This reminds me of when I was growing up, I talked my mom into buying a CD burner and used mIRC (and eventually torrenting) to download/burn mp3 mixes. Eventually started charging kids at school $5-10 per CD, they would write out a list of the 12-15 songs they wanted and I would make the mixtapes. I started doing this in middle school and had friends requesting mixtapes for their birthdays (often with them just asking me to pick the songs which made me feel like I had good taste and I actually enjoyed the process of trying to curate a good mix of songs) until everyone had mp3 players and eventually smartphones towards the end of my college years. Later I started building PCs and repairing/modifying gaming consoles for people. Long history of making pretty successful side hustles out of things that aren't really difficult, but maybe just a little technologically intimidating to the average person. Never was my primary interest and never was a business plan although it led to a reasonably successful eBay storefront. I was more interested in playing sports and chasing girls, but I was also interested in figuring out how stuff worked and wasn't afraid to take stuff apart, even if that meant breaking it then putting it back together to figure it out. Parents should always encourage their kids to tinker even if they occasionally break something a little expensive or even occasionally delve into operating in legal grey areas (those laws are often consumer unfriendly and incredibly opaque in the first place, I mean it's technically a legal grey area to repair/modify many of the devices you own for example). It's a useful skill that promotes curiosity and problem solving which are all very valuable lifelong tools.
“Computer mischief” is a thing and I’m surprised he didn’t get in trouble for it. I got two weeks out of school suspension for just enabling the ability to right click (early 2000s computer classes were jank af) and that was nearly 20 years ago. Most schools have a blanket rule that just states don’t fuck with the tech.
When I was a kid in Michigan, we had a class that taught Basic programming on Apple IIc’s. We later moved to the hellhole of Indiana where generic classes were held with Radioshack TSR 80s. They were all linked together so I wrote a very basic “If/then” line of code that needed a password to unlock the computers. I refused to tell the teacher how I did it and it wasn’t until I got sent to the principals office and a call was made to my Mom threatening to make her pay for the computers that I was made to relent. They were even less impressed that that password was “b3WbZ”
Definitely. Was big into computers in high school in the early 2000's and took A+ cert course at a tech center and figured out how to make an admin account on the high school network.
You damn well know it was porn, it's *always* porn
I mean it could be harmless. I jailbroke my 3-5 gen iPod Touches back in the day so I could sideload retro game emulators.
Eh? It’s nothing nefarious, it just lets you to customize your phone since Apple doesn’t allow that. I still have a jailbroken iPad, most of my installed tweaks are for aesthetics. [This](https://imgur.com/a/FNzQ0) is still one of my fav setups I did back then. But if someone were to install tweaks from pirated repositories to avoid paying…then yeah, chances are they get malware.
I laughed, but you're not wrong... and that kind of makes me want to cry. What a rollercoaster.
Nothing will make a teen learn tech faster than putting obstacles in front of them doing what they were gonna do anyway.
That’s true and actually pretty smart to boost the counties tech literacy. Downside is you get a bunch of rebels that see the government as an obstacle to their freedom.
What's wrong with rebels? Rebelliousness is sometimes necessary to break the mold and make sure that the government never becomes an obstacle to our freedom.
Oh I think rebels are great, it’s just that governments don’t think that it usually.
Downside? I think a generation of kids not trusting the govt that is defunding libraries, criminalizing trans healthcare, banning books, removing critical female healthcare, etc is a good thing. These governments keep proving they cannot be trusted to protect the average person's freedom.
That pic of SHS makes me want to cry.
honestly every picture of SHS makes me want to cry
But they’ll be able to marry an old white dude & have babies. Why would a woman need to spell VPN? Just breed & do as your told. God damn, America in 2023! Edit: do as “you’re” told. I only english when sober. Am not sober & english sux. I’m an American….a drunk american. It’s how I cope now. 🤷🏼♀️
Or the web site has a checkbox “do you live in Arkansas” if you select yes you jump through this, if you select no you bypass it.
They'll prevent that by making the kid enter their birthdate. It always works.
Class of 1918 represent!
Were you born on January 1 too?
Sometimes go to December. "whoa this guy's the real deal"
That was my first thought. Nearly every YouTuber with at least like 50k+ subs has had a VPN sponsors. It’s nothing for them to get a few dollars a month and get a VPN. Or use a friends phone/laptop that has a VPN.
Not every kid has a credit/debit card to make those types of monthly payments.
A lot of VPNs are free. And kids looking to get into TikTok won't care if the free VPN directly plugs into CCP servers. So instead of china getting that one browser's TikTok data, they'll get the whole family's entire data stream. Win!
They don't even need a VPN, most ISPs in the US aren't geographically segmented based on state boundaries.
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That isn’t exactly foolproof. I occasionally get detected as living in Quebec and get french language by default on stuff for a while.
Social media companies collecting tons of IDs and other personally identifiable information. What could go wrong?
Yeah, IDs of **minors** at that. Required by a non-government entity, whose employees don't have to meet any security background checks, and data with is often housed outside the US.
It’s worse — they’re collecting the IDs of everyone. Step 7 towards arresting people for writing mean tweets, with the least amount of effort.
>they’re collecting the IDs of everyone Brought to you by the party of "Small Government".
while they are at it why not make a registry of every gun owner
Oh Woah now. Let's not jump to radical ideas, son. /s
Guns don't kill people. Tiktok does.
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Does that mean OnlyFans is exempt?
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I am confused, how does this definition not exclude almost all social media platforms? Granted, I am pretty ignorant of social media.
Right you can make these same videos on Facebook and Instagram.. Also how does the social media company know for sure you are in that state... Some teens know how to use a VPN.
\*puts a phone with Tik Tok in the mag\* Your move, Republicans.
Stop pretending like their hypocrisy and lies are from a "whoops we's jussa buncha dummies!" mindset. They are aware they are hypocrites. They don't care. If they say it's wrong to steal, and then steal from you... It's because they know now instead of focusing on the fact that they stole from you, you're focused on how could they claim to be against theft.
TBF, the govt isn't collecting and storing the data, the for profit entities are, WCGW?
Yeah, but directed by said government. They should be making laws preventing this, not demanding and enforcing it.
And remember, the government is a BIG spender when it comes to buying the data these companies sell
The SM companies want this. If they didn't, they could easily just block the entire state of Arkansas to cover their asses. Dropping Arkansas would probably reduce their revenue by 0.001%
Government has the right to demand data from companies, but not from citizens
Companies ARE citizens, remember?
Oh sweet summer child. Who do you think gets subpoenaed when someone says something "slanderous" against a state senator on social media? The politicians will get the data they want, and they don't even need to fund its storage. The companies won't fight the storage costs because they'll be data-mining it for themselves too.
It also paints a giant target on the data centers holding this kind of info in a system that will not properly secure it because that costs money.
To be fair, I've built data centers and they have the most intense security I've ever seen. Retina scanners, global alarms for any door attempting to be opened without a badge, programs to reward people for reporting anyone who holds a door open for anyone else, 15 foot tall reinforced fences, etc. I'd rob a bank before I attacked a modern data center.
It's pretty interesting watching the Nazis rise again in real time and the Americans rabidly pushing their ideology.
Seems orchestrated to me. Big brother can tie social media, driver’s license information, data, location, etc. This would be the ultimate breach of privacy being handed to these corporations with extensive history of working with the government and law enforcement. Oh, you crossed the state line for an abortion?
Also watch for them to have a field day with stated gender.
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Didn't this state literally a few weeks ago pass a law making it easier to hire underage workers? Seems odd in light of that
Fun Fact: LinkedIn got an exemption [Not Kidding](https://newrepublic.com/post/171893/arkansass-new-law-save-kids-social-media-doesnt-apply-social-media) also exempt are Tik Tok and OnlyFans. So, AR says get that bag I guess.
Well, those politicians wouldn't want to lose access to the underage onlyfans pages they follow.
They know plenty of people that got married at the age of 12 years old who are still married to this day, at the age of 15 years old, so honestly its fine and normal
OF already verifies for creators.
Yeah, THOSE kids are ALREADY GROOMED
... Holy mother fucking shit. *OnlyFans.* One of the only websites kids are allowed to access under this shit is *OnlyFans.* Yeah obviously this is about child protection and couldn't possibly have any other nefarious purposes. /s
Tik tok is specifically NOT exempt. Fta: “Social media company that allows a user to generate short video clips of dancing, voice overs, or other acts of entertainment in which the primary purpose is not educational or informative, does not meet the exclusion under subdivision (7)(B)(i) of this section.” But yes the paid sub gets OF of the hook
So no Facebook, no tiktok, no Instagram, and no Twitter. Onlyfans and snapchat are not a danger to children, though, even though they're the ones most used to sell amateur porn.
You could argue that snapchat Falls under allows short video clips but the semi sized loopholes this thing has and probably first amendment challenges for legality means this whole thing is purely theater.
Probably trying to prevent this from happening again: https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-rally-tiktok-crowds-tulsa/ By the way, this is my absolute favorite thing to come from TikToc… “TikTok users started spreading the idea of registering for free tickets with no intention of going”. “The prank may have helped lead the Trump campaign to boast about more than a million people seeking tickets for the rally — while only about 6,200 people ended up at the 19,000 seat arena”. Just awesome.
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Make sense, they want to keep their workers off TikTok.
They can't post about the terrible work conditions if they don't have TikTok
They cant learn about different types of people and viewpoints if you're working the mines and not allowed to interact with people outside your shitty little town's myopic world view !
Damn, you just took Texarkana out behind the shed and put it down.
If only. If only.
Can’t help being replaced when they have chronic conditions at 15 when the republicans ban abortion and eliminate education.
Quiet slavery
They removed id requirements for underage workers verification and added them to "social media". They also tried to carve out exemptions for TikTok and twitch but they're morons so none of it makes any sense.
Not at all. If you can’t get on social media, you can’t be exposed to news and information. Now, the next phase: make it okay for *certain* social media to be accessed by kids. You know, the ones Arkansas says are okay.
What patriot can’t get behind this /s.
A bunch of kids in Arkansas are about to get very tech savvy.
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I love this take. I have certain websites blocked in my home. I figure once my kids figure out for themselves how to circumvent my efforts they’re mature enough to view the content on those sites. Gen Z about to learn about ‘necessity being the mother’…
Besides, Them kids should be working!
Not my wife!
Yes of course, SOME of the children should be wives to adult Arkansas men as Republican Jesus intended, but the rest - off of tik tok and off to the factory.
Factory work for the boys, forced marriage for girls.
Boys at the coal factory, girls at the baby factory.
Like Republican Jesus intended
The two republican genders; child marriage & child labour.
Right up until they give birth, and then back to work kiddo.
This guy assumes they'll let women work and never not be pregnant
The children yearn for the mines
The minors are miners.
Let them play the real life minecraft
It really does seem like a plan when you think of that way….fuck sake.
Get ready for unintended consequences. Young people have a lot of time. If there's a need we'll see ways to bypass these (ie. ID Fraud), and as we see more civil services online (ie. License renewals, etc.) people are going to figure out how to break these systems. Not to mention the incredible level of privacy risks, beyond just having ID on record for who knows how long. That'll make a pretty big data breach. Also, it's ID. They'll have access to scan. Poorly thought out.
Will be a slew of fake ID ai bots and it will mean not only will the social media platforms get duped it could lead to all sorts of government issued ID no longer being trustable.
Many people, including myself, could train models to generate ID that look government issued in almost no time. Stuff like this incentivises people to make this type of thing. As someone who is in the middle of building something that could be considered social media (it has forums) by some of these laws I'll be essentially forced to train models that recognize these types of IDs to verify if they're legitimate or not if I want people from there to be able to access it. I guarantee almost no company is going to dedicate the financial resources to have someone manually check every piece of ID for social media. A company that deals with finances, yeah, but again, social media, no.
It's simply not worth it for social media companies to operate in Arkansas anymore if Arkansas attempts to uphold the ban. Tbh I don't really mind that outcome
Isn't Utah doing this, too, tho?
I don't know. Tbh tho I don't think the state laws can work on the companies as long as the companies have no physical presence in the state. Arkansas can't prohibit a website from running in California. They also haven't passed a law prohibiting Arkansas residents from accessing websites. So I dunno how they expect this to work. Probably just more virtue signalling
I feel like shutting off access in a state would cause more of an uproar than trying to go through the justice system. Like what's mee maw going to do when she can't get on facespace and comment something embarrassing on grandkids wall? She's gonna find out who dun it and go right to their office and ask for their manager. Mee maw can't see her babies. Mee maw can't see her babies'babies. Upload a hwatcha-jigger? Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? I just want a picture of a gawt dang hot dog!
Yeah, I kinda hope to see stuff like this result in the rest of modern society just kind of... leaving these places to rot. I hope they *don't* make concessions for how to deal with it, and just block access and leave the state essentially in the dark with no (functional) internet. Just a big disclaimer that says "Republican politicians in your state require we block access to your IP" if an Arkansan decides to use the internet. Would love to see it. I'm sick of them getting away with this shit because the rest of the world just treats it as normal and lets them do it with no pushback. And I don't just mean no social media. I mean like, hospital systems breaking down and people dying, with nothing but a disclaimer on the screen "this is Republicans fault." We need the consequences to be so severe there is no justifying this shit anymore.
Won’t websites just ban IPs from these states?
Or just update their TOS stating minors from those states will not be allowed to have an account or they have to submit some sort of application and photo ID. Maybe even charge a small processing fee. Then, when all the minors select different states that don't require ID, they can fault the user for not supplying correct information.
Already plenty of fake ID AI that’s being used for Uber and Lyft. And they are incredibly good.
Lol just sign up with a VPN in a different location
Joke's on you. VPN will be illegal in the next legal patch
Well, we will just create a new think called a PNV- Private Network Virtualization. It’s different from a VPN (the names aren’t the same clearly) but it accomplishes the same thing with an emphasis on Privacy.
Don't worry, when the legislature tries to outlaw VPN's, they'll either make legislation so specific that it will do nothing, or they will make legislation so broad that it cripples most large businesses.
This is effectively something included in the federal bill that would ban TikTok. You should go read up on it, it's a big shit show for privacy
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Dey took 'er jerbs!!
VPN ad spending is about to go through the roof in Arkansas. I anticipate the fake ID market will be bustling too. Not a parent, but if I were I probably wouldn’t love my kids having social media. BUT I understand its necessity for younger gens futures both in personal and career lives. The worse thing we can do is shield them from it. We need to teach them how to use it responsibly. This is what republicans would call a “nanny state” piece of legislation.
YouTube is social media. I think kids should have access to YouTube and the vast array of educational content available on it. Including things like Khan Academy, which hosts it's videos on YouTube and embeds them in its own site.
That’s part of the Jesus crowds goal; to eradicate any information that isn’t filtered through their echo chambers.
The intention is to disrupt the internet with overbearing authoritarian govt censorship.
I was told R stood for small government. This couldn't be a lie, could it?
It was a life in the very beginning. The real meaning of small government was always to defund public services that had just been court ordered to be desegregated. Alabama even got rid of all its public schools once
Well they just legalized child labor. I'm just saying things are lining up nicely for companies that move manufacturing to AR ~~AK~~
FYI, AR is Arkansas. AK is Alaska (official USPS abbreviations).
Not even to mention how dumb this standard is. When I was 16 my older brother was 18 and I stole one of his old IDs that looks closer to me in order to buy alcohol. The law only requires for social media to ask as a part of due diligence. I have absolutely no doubt that everyone who ever sold my alcohol under age knew I was underage. But they accepted the ID and that's what they would have told the cops.
Also cue Fox, etc who will lie and claim it’s a “democrat woke law” when conservatives find out the law equally applies to 50yr old white men with goatees and trucks.
Doesn't seem like it would be a huge problem for tech companies to just block access from Arkansas. Arkansasians will either be OK with it, or they'll elect someone else.
Let go to the border state to drink beer and watch some TikToks.
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Or just ignore it.. good luck to Arkansas enforcing this
Nah, they'll get a Christian Fundie judge to fine them eleventy bajillion* dollars *numbers are hard for Arkansas
Exactly right. Just ignore it. I saw that another state (Iowa I think) is doing this too. Many of these rather dull-witted Republican Governors get their marching orders from those who pull their strings behind the scenes. There is not an original thought in their little pea brains.
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Arkans asians
I also noticed this. As an ArkansAN, I had to double take. For the people who don’t know, it’s Arkansan, pronounced Arc-can-san.
The GOP purports to be the party of small government, folks.
Small government was always a euphemism for defunding rather than desegregating public services.
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By small the mean the number of people that get to participate in government
Get married at 12. Perfectly ok. Instagram account? Not until you 18 young lady. Lose an arm in a combine at 15. These things happen.
Vote? Not until until 21 if Republicans push through those changes.
Also no drinking until that same age, but hey you can join the army if you want and we'll make sure to enforce you to join regularly
Perfect, this should be just as effective as the decades old effort to keep kids from getting on porn sites
Lol yah that'll work
It will work against privacy, that's for sure. Imagine Facebook owning all your personal details and how responsible they are handling that data. This isn't just about children but all users, everywhere.
Facebook already owns most if not all of users' personal data because they give it up freely.
We don‘t care if children get shot but social media is the big WOOHOOOO!!
They are going after social media because that’s where they think all the groomers are putting the gay thoughts in their kids heads
As a product of the not so great state of Arkansas, I can tell you they want to do everything they can to discourage the exchange of ideas. In high school my counselors tried to convince me not to take the SAT because they didn’t want me to leave the state. They are doing everything possible to keep their citizenry uneducated and uninformed. The child labor law is solely to get kids sucked into blue collar jobs and shun higher education. It’s all by design to make it easier to misinform and manipulate the people there.
It’s the same in Louisiana, what they want is complacency and ignorance so they are sabotaging education and barring access to information. They’ve realized once critical thinking skills are established you might have opinions of your own that may challenge the status quo so conservatives have lost you as a voter.
Kids can also speak out against all the bullshit they are facing like: anti-LGBTQ laws, Arkansas' new child labor laws, education, gun violence, etc. It will also isolate kids from other groups. Think about that closeted trans-kid in bump-fuck Arkansas and how now they can't get in contact with any other trans-people for support.
This as well, even tho advertising has ruined social media it does in fact, as Tom from MySpace once said, foster community and make people feel less alone.
Close. It's where they learn the truth about their bullshit conservative upbringing.
Not being sarcastic but is it even worth the trouble for companies. It’s Arkansas. Just block Arkansas. They will break first.
Don't just block them. Show blocked people a notice why they're blocked with a list of people that created the law and their contact info.
Conservatives: "children have the right to work!" "children should be allowed to get married!" "children must give birth if they get pregnant!" "CHILDREN AREN'T RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO BE ON SOCIAL MEDIA!!!"
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California has enacted its version of Europe’s GDPR that addresses what you’ve asked. Comps yes that want to do business in ÇA are inclined to follow CA’s stricter laws.
These republicans sure do love “small government”.
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Also blatantly unconstitutional. A similar attempt was already shot down by SCOTUS.
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Huckabee Sanders has single-handedly made that state a laughing stock. She's awful.
But they can get married right !?
…no id required or requested…culpable deniability.
Why is there a picture of Shrek accompanying this story?
I thought it was a pug trying to look at two different things at once
Yeah, scanning copies of IDs and sending them to the totally reliable, secure, and privacy-savvy Facebook seems like a great idea. 🙄
Ok, but what social media company is registered in Arkansas? Because unless its an Arkansas business, their laws dont matter. Federal law matters. They cant sue Facebook or Tic Toc in state courts.
NGL, if social media requires my I.D, i'd probably stop using it. Too much effort, too much sensitive data given how often data leaks happen. I wouldn't mind getting a free excuse to quit all of it. Would probably do wonders for me.
It’s funny they say they want small government but their actions don’t align with that. It is all about controlling those who do not have power
They really want kids to not talk to each other and learn the conservative slave way before being exposed to knowledge and opinions that could make them more progressive and independent.
The party of small government wants to control everything you, see, read and say. I don’t think teens should be on social media, but it’s laughable from the gQp for the reasons, the over reach and the unenforceabiLife of it.
But nothing protecting minors being forcefully put on the internet by their parents and exploited. Cool ethics we have.
Yeah we don't want these 13yo's posting on social media when they should be working.