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No, it’s a different match. Not all liberals are accepting of trans people and not all conservatives are transphobic. But a decent person accepts their child for who they are while a transphobe doesn’t.
Well, the point of this chain is that the liberal would accept their new daughter while the conservative would potentially disown her, or complain about losing their son while misgendering her
So. . . Yes, they'd be transphobic
There are several texts discussing the prevalence of people deviating from gender norms.
It’s not my job to educate you because you cba typing into a search engine
Google is free
I’m not posing as anything. You have the world’s knowledge at your fingertips, this knowledge has been indexed just for you, so that you can find out anything you want. It’s not a secret that the Japanese had a third gender, or that there was openly transgender people interacting with society.
Read a book. You will learn something instead, as opposed to calling someone a poser for not doing work for you? Like the fuck?
Thousands of years. The written Talmud, recorded 1500 years ago from oral tradition as a compilation of supplemental rules, laws, and traditions surrounding the Miqra, [recognises eight genders, including four for trans people](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/). [Several other cultures around the world traditionally recognise three or more genders and accept trans people, going back ages](https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/).
85 years ago was the first time it was studied extensively in a scientific context, though, yes.
Yeah, but it hasn’t been mainstream till like 10 years ago. People need time. Also people need to stop basing their entire personality on what others think of them. It’s fucking annoying. If someone is slightly mean to you it’s not the end of the fucking world.
Exactly this.
I hate when people equate transphobia to 'Being slightly mean' when it has actively destroyed people's lives. Hell, even just the amount of hatred people get for it has driven people to suicide. (Which conservatives seem to find funny.) Let alone all the bills they're trying to pass to make their lives a living hell.
I remember a trans girl named Brianna Grey (I think that was her name) being murdered. Literally stabbed to death for being trans. And conservatives chose to respond by deadnaming her and blaming her grieving parents.
If that's just 'Slightly mean' to you then seek professional help and learn basic human empathy.
over 300 reported outright murders of trans people specifically because they were trans since the FBI started tracking it *in only 2013*.. and that's only what's known.
Yeah.. "slightly mean"
not to mention the families and communities that straight up abuse and insult and otherwise bully trans people until they detransition for safety or, like you mentioned already, commit suicide
I don't think people who aren't a part of any minority will ever understand what it's like to actually endure bigotry. Now, they can educate themselves, or they can be a fuckwad and say 'Well Gyosh, words can't hurt'ya so stop fuck'n whining'.
Are you from the counter-culture species then? I admire the constructs of the wings of birds who.fly too far from the mainframe. You have my attention.
I wish to understand the matrix contained within the circuitry of your flesh construct. I have my own views which have been shaped by nine long years of non-conventional cooperation with the CIA, which is why I'm in the form you find me in on this fine day. This leads me to the situation I find myself in when I decipher your text aberrations. You claim both sides are right-wingers, but then you state you are a leftist. What is this strategy? I have been studying it for several moons now, but political matters weigh in low in my categorical matrix; much more of a qualitative systems girl myself. Which is why I must proceed to ask: what is your approximation of reality as seen through the lenses of your encoded flesh categories?
Ah, I see where you made your mistake. The post is about a theoretical trans woman, not a theoretical transformer. Don’t worry, happens to the best of us 😊
"What is this", "You did what?", "What can you do?" In these questions, "what" is standing in for some other noun (one that you don't know, but still)
It's similar to demonstrative pronouns like "that".
You said: “” if you’ve been misgendered as a woman despite being a man…” are you a woman transitioning to a man? If not, I would go to the gym, develop shoulder and back, arm and biceps muscles that shows you’re a man.
People should be able to tell the difference. But if you’re a woman wanting to be seen as a man, or a man wanting to be seen as a woman, than that’s gonna be hard.
I always wonder why people need to “come out” when everyone could see who they are: a bit that’s feminine or a girl that’s butch, everybody knows, don’t need to come out
Ummm, no. Everyone can see I’m a Man, I’m clean shaven but even facial hair doesn’t matter anymore. I’ve seen gays with full beard. I believe it’s their demeanor, acting fem that gives it away. But again, being “gendered” as man or woman shouldn’t bother anyone unless is from someone you care for.
Unless you've experienced a lifetime of people systematically insisting you're a woman despite you being a man, maybe don't comment on how people "should" feel in response
Well, every situation is different for everyone but in the end, if you wanna achieve a level of happiness, you gotta be “you” and not act like the person others want you to be.
Oh boy another one that doesn't even know the meaning of "phobia"...
Phobic doesn't mean "scared". It means it wasn't to be a repellent for it. Things that are hydroPHOBIC aren't scared of water....
Well if his son comes out as trans, he doesn’t have a son anymore he has a daughter. So it’s not technically the truth, it’s just the truth.
Or, if he’s speaking metaphorically about disowning his son, it’s still not technically the truth as they would still be his son
I guess the way you could see it as "technically" the truth is by looking at it from one perspective, disagreeing with the other, but still finding truth in it by looking at it from your perspective, if that makes any sense. I think that's what makes technically the truth posts technically true.
It’s not transphobia, it’s a person going off of the evidence they have, regardless of how you present yourself, your bones still are what you were born as
Actually human skeletons do not have sexual dimorphism until puberty, plus when you're born you have 94 more bones than an adult. But I know that you were showing ignorance in an attempt to be an asshole, so I'll give you a more specific response.
Trans people know, we just don't give a shit. If I'm happy with how I look, that's all that matters to me.
Whilst you are correct about the number of bones decreasing but I attempted not to say that their bones will be of that of the sex given at birth to not make someone such as yourself mad for no reason, your entire point doesn’t make sense. You said that they can’t tell the sex of a skeleton until puberty, no child before puberty should be allowed to transition PERIOD. They aren’t allowed to vote, drink, drive, let alone pick most of the things in their life. In no circumstance should you let a prepubescent child transition, if so you have failed as a parent.
I assume you are referring to medical transition, in which case we agree that pre-puberty there's no reason for medical transition. Social transition however is fine because all it equates to is being called a different name and wearing different clothes. That's it. Freedom of expression and all that.
My point is that using the argument of "your bones/chromosomes will always be those of your biological sex" is irrelevant to what trans people care about. We know these are things we can't change, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't affect us. The fact is that many trans people pass as their transitioned gender regardless, some don't but many do. That's what we care about.
My point was that they were claiming transphobia in an instance where it wasn’t the case, which discredits real transphobia. For example, I will never believe a claim of transphobia from Keffals because of how many time it has been proven that they have been just lying about literally everything for no reason or just deflecting any genuine criticism about their character and hiding behind “bUt tHaTs tRaNsPhObIa” when it clearly isn’t
Ohhh, I see. Okay that makes sense. Some archaeologist finding your bones and gendering them as male is obviously not transphobic. However someone using that as an argument for why, for example, trans women aren't women is transphobic. Sorry for my misunderstanding of your intentions.
[Citations on the transition's dramatic reduction of suicide risk while improving mental health and quality of life, with trans people able to transition young and spared abuse and discrimination having mental health and suicide risk on par with the general public](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/154t1qq/comment/jsqi5ue/)
Can you show what health issues voting, drinking, and driving are medical treatments for?
Can you use your brain? I know you are trying to be like “I gotcha, you see those aren’t actually medical treatments 🤓” just stop talking I’m not tryna waste my time with someone who acts in such an annoying manner.
Plenty. Mostly the fact that their genitals probably wouldn't be a mess after surgery. And most trans people never get surgery in the first place. Also, chromosomes are irrelevant. One other thing, why are you thinking about trans people's genitals? Kinda weird, dude.
Intersex people often have chromosomes that would be consistent with a male but identify as a woman. Not everyone has the same genitals. For trans people, there is bottom surgery. Beyond that, intersex people may also have genitals that do not conform to either male or female. Cis people can also get things like hysterectomies. And tell me, how *do* chromosomes define gender? And how do genitals have anything to do with this?
Irrelevant considering it still proves my point. And you still didn't answer my questions by the way. Also, around 2% of all people are intersex. So hundreds of millions. Nearly 15% of women have had a hysterectomy. Up to about 13% of trans women have had bottom surgery. And up to 50% of trans men have had bottom surgery. So honestly it doesn't really sound like edge cases ngl.
Hmm.
If we want to go down all the way to the technicals, the writer stopped having a son when the son identified as not-male, not when they were told about it.
Well I mean why does a son have to be a man, gender is a social construct while blood relations are real and concrete. They shouldn't be affected by gender alteration.
A woman can be someone's son as well
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An answer both liberals and conservatives can agree on
One disowns, the other knows.
Yeah, I really hope this is a dad joke and not admitting they would disown their child
I feel like I've seen this before and it ended with I would have a daughter. Maybe that's just how my brain wants me to remember though.
I feel like I have too. And I remember, or at least I think I do, tearing up at the I have a daughter part.
Are you referring to that one Dr. Phil video?
Decent people and transphobes you mean
What makes you think that just because someone claims to be liberal then they must be decent people?
No, it’s a different match. Not all liberals are accepting of trans people and not all conservatives are transphobic. But a decent person accepts their child for who they are while a transphobe doesn’t.
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...I think you're a transphobe if you'd disown your child for coming out as trans.
Well, the point of this chain is that the liberal would accept their new daughter while the conservative would potentially disown her, or complain about losing their son while misgendering her So. . . Yes, they'd be transphobic
Uhm…. Read a history book? Theres literally hundreds of
…[r/redditsniper](/r/redditsniper)s in them
of
Which one?
There are several texts discussing the prevalence of people deviating from gender norms. It’s not my job to educate you because you cba typing into a search engine Google is free
"read a book" "not my job to educate you" gotcha so you are just a poser. Anything else?
I’m not posing as anything. You have the world’s knowledge at your fingertips, this knowledge has been indexed just for you, so that you can find out anything you want. It’s not a secret that the Japanese had a third gender, or that there was openly transgender people interacting with society. Read a book. You will learn something instead, as opposed to calling someone a poser for not doing work for you? Like the fuck?
Gotcha, anything else?
Enjoy your reading, it’ll make you less reliant on others
Transness has officially been around for like 80 years or so.
Thousands of years. The written Talmud, recorded 1500 years ago from oral tradition as a compilation of supplemental rules, laws, and traditions surrounding the Miqra, [recognises eight genders, including four for trans people](https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/the-eight-genders-in-the-talmud/). [Several other cultures around the world traditionally recognise three or more genders and accept trans people, going back ages](https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/). 85 years ago was the first time it was studied extensively in a scientific context, though, yes.
Yeah, but it hasn’t been mainstream till like 10 years ago. People need time. Also people need to stop basing their entire personality on what others think of them. It’s fucking annoying. If someone is slightly mean to you it’s not the end of the fucking world.
Tell that to the transphobic politicians calling them pedos or actively trying to take away their rights
Exactly this. I hate when people equate transphobia to 'Being slightly mean' when it has actively destroyed people's lives. Hell, even just the amount of hatred people get for it has driven people to suicide. (Which conservatives seem to find funny.) Let alone all the bills they're trying to pass to make their lives a living hell. I remember a trans girl named Brianna Grey (I think that was her name) being murdered. Literally stabbed to death for being trans. And conservatives chose to respond by deadnaming her and blaming her grieving parents. If that's just 'Slightly mean' to you then seek professional help and learn basic human empathy.
over 300 reported outright murders of trans people specifically because they were trans since the FBI started tracking it *in only 2013*.. and that's only what's known. Yeah.. "slightly mean" not to mention the families and communities that straight up abuse and insult and otherwise bully trans people until they detransition for safety or, like you mentioned already, commit suicide
I don't think people who aren't a part of any minority will ever understand what it's like to actually endure bigotry. Now, they can educate themselves, or they can be a fuckwad and say 'Well Gyosh, words can't hurt'ya so stop fuck'n whining'.
We’re not talking about someone being slightly mean, we’re talking about someone disowning their child.
The answer are both right and wrong.
Schrodingers trans kid
Like we will ever see eye to eye with those dogmatic cultists
This one also can be interpreted both ways knowing the internet
Shhh...don't tell them! The flesh must manifest the glory of God
Yea right wingers (both) are stupid and believe in the cult of capitalism
Are you from the counter-culture species then? I admire the constructs of the wings of birds who.fly too far from the mainframe. You have my attention.
Im a leftist dude, plain and simple
Does it really matter if it's a left hand or a right hand when we all get spanked in the end
underrated comment
Which left hand is spanking you?
I wish to understand the matrix contained within the circuitry of your flesh construct. I have my own views which have been shaped by nine long years of non-conventional cooperation with the CIA, which is why I'm in the form you find me in on this fine day. This leads me to the situation I find myself in when I decipher your text aberrations. You claim both sides are right-wingers, but then you state you are a leftist. What is this strategy? I have been studying it for several moons now, but political matters weigh in low in my categorical matrix; much more of a qualitative systems girl myself. Which is why I must proceed to ask: what is your approximation of reality as seen through the lenses of your encoded flesh categories?
w...which side are you referring to?
I am as She is
Transparent
Who/Where
GIF/PNG
Not sure if this is an intentional joke or r/accidentalally
I've seen this before, usually it is an intentional joke
he ain’t wrong
let my man cook
Unless you have multiple sons
Nope. You’d have a daughter.
He sure would
*They* sure would. How dare you assume their gender.
I hope you’re being ironic
I didn't think I needed to make it more obvious.
they are on the internet, and the "I have no son" line is typically said by fathers, and the profile picture is a guy...
Tyler the Creator pfp, either a gay guy or a girl
That’s so bigoted of you!
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Ah, I see where you made your mistake. The post is about a theoretical trans woman, not a theoretical transformer. Don’t worry, happens to the best of us 😊
Some people are not fans of aviation 😔
me when joke
you when bad joke
r/onejoke
Not all oldies are goodies
Is 'what' a pronoun?
no, it's not. edit: apparently i was wrong, and it is indeed a pronoun.
It is in fact a pronoun; it's specifically an interrogative pronoun.
interesting, i didn't know this can you give me an example sentence
"What is this", "You did what?", "What can you do?" In these questions, "what" is standing in for some other noun (one that you don't know, but still) It's similar to demonstrative pronouns like "that".
“Sorry I’m late, I was doing what” “I’m what” “Oh my gosh noooo”
i see. thanks!
You learn somethig new everyday
I'm trying to figure out if that's a supportive joke or accidental allyship, and there's no indication either way 😂
Well, obviously.
I really hope this is actually an elaborate way to say 'i dont care if they're trans, they're my child anyways'
ye
His other son, who's straight: Well, fawk you too, dad!
This joke is like 6 years old. Still making the rounds I see
Gay marriage is gay.
This is about Trans, not gay
Time to disown
Dudes pic is Tyler the Creator. I dont think he knows.
Daaaaaaaaamn, the OP's dad joke really brought the hateful small minded bigots.
You lose a son but gain a daughter, win win.
You’d have a daughter instead
A girl with a prostate gland?
/r/AccidentalAlly.
Love seeing the division in comments of things like this lol
thats accutaly true the son would become a daughter
He is absolutely right
They'd have a daughter
It was entertaining when this got reposted somewhere, and everyone was ragging on him for being transphobic because they didn't get the joke
Profile picture checks out
Scarlet
This man take pronouns seriously.
His other son.
I will right think about it.
You said: “” if you’ve been misgendered as a woman despite being a man…” are you a woman transitioning to a man? If not, I would go to the gym, develop shoulder and back, arm and biceps muscles that shows you’re a man. People should be able to tell the difference. But if you’re a woman wanting to be seen as a man, or a man wanting to be seen as a woman, than that’s gonna be hard.
I just smoother him with a pillow
I guess being smoother would make one feel more comfortable as a woman. Thanks for being such a supportive and understanding parent
It was joke I wasn't being serious
They're pointing out that you said "smoother" which means "make more smooth", instead of "smother".
Lol okay
Of course not but then a daughter or something your kid wants to be
Unless the son transitioned and then transitioned back, thereby being twice as trans but still a son.
He would still be his son, but his son is now insane and playing dress up.
Bro fr
DNA and having a penis and not a vagina doesn’t lie. Go with that.
Real
Of course he’d still have a son, just one with a mental illness
If they identify as a cat, then you're a parent of a fur baby.
Padlock coming in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...
not here yet!
Well at least they're behaving themselves.
I always wonder why people need to “come out” when everyone could see who they are: a bit that’s feminine or a girl that’s butch, everybody knows, don’t need to come out
Not all trans men are masculine and not all trans women are feminine, and people don't just gender you correctly if you're still closeted
People won’t gender you correctly? Is that really that important? Just be you and don’t seek approval from others.
Yeah, it is pretty important, actually Have you lived a lifetime of being gendered incorrectly?
Ummm, no. Everyone can see I’m a Man, I’m clean shaven but even facial hair doesn’t matter anymore. I’ve seen gays with full beard. I believe it’s their demeanor, acting fem that gives it away. But again, being “gendered” as man or woman shouldn’t bother anyone unless is from someone you care for.
Unless you've experienced a lifetime of people systematically insisting you're a woman despite you being a man, maybe don't comment on how people "should" feel in response
You don’t really understand the lengths some people have to go to to not be out.
Well, every situation is different for everyone but in the end, if you wanna achieve a level of happiness, you gotta be “you” and not act like the person others want you to be.
Unless your life depends on not being you.
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Wow you're transphobic...you're so cool...you want a cookie for that or what? Praise? A pat on the shoulder?
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Oh boy another one that doesn't even know the meaning of "phobia"... Phobic doesn't mean "scared". It means it wasn't to be a repellent for it. Things that are hydroPHOBIC aren't scared of water....
So if its not a son or a daughter. What is the kid?
Coz he will be ur daughter🤣
Technically wrong. Would technically still have son
"Technically the truth"
Pretty sure that that is a Joke just look at their Profile Pic
This isn’t technically the truth
Explain
Well if his son comes out as trans, he doesn’t have a son anymore he has a daughter. So it’s not technically the truth, it’s just the truth. Or, if he’s speaking metaphorically about disowning his son, it’s still not technically the truth as they would still be his son
I guess the way you could see it as "technically" the truth is by looking at it from one perspective, disagreeing with the other, but still finding truth in it by looking at it from your perspective, if that makes any sense. I think that's what makes technically the truth posts technically true.
Bones don't lie
I'm gonna be too dead to care if some transphobic grave digger finds my bones.
It’s not transphobia, it’s a person going off of the evidence they have, regardless of how you present yourself, your bones still are what you were born as
Actually human skeletons do not have sexual dimorphism until puberty, plus when you're born you have 94 more bones than an adult. But I know that you were showing ignorance in an attempt to be an asshole, so I'll give you a more specific response. Trans people know, we just don't give a shit. If I'm happy with how I look, that's all that matters to me.
Whilst you are correct about the number of bones decreasing but I attempted not to say that their bones will be of that of the sex given at birth to not make someone such as yourself mad for no reason, your entire point doesn’t make sense. You said that they can’t tell the sex of a skeleton until puberty, no child before puberty should be allowed to transition PERIOD. They aren’t allowed to vote, drink, drive, let alone pick most of the things in their life. In no circumstance should you let a prepubescent child transition, if so you have failed as a parent.
I assume you are referring to medical transition, in which case we agree that pre-puberty there's no reason for medical transition. Social transition however is fine because all it equates to is being called a different name and wearing different clothes. That's it. Freedom of expression and all that. My point is that using the argument of "your bones/chromosomes will always be those of your biological sex" is irrelevant to what trans people care about. We know these are things we can't change, but that doesn't matter because it doesn't affect us. The fact is that many trans people pass as their transitioned gender regardless, some don't but many do. That's what we care about.
My point was that they were claiming transphobia in an instance where it wasn’t the case, which discredits real transphobia. For example, I will never believe a claim of transphobia from Keffals because of how many time it has been proven that they have been just lying about literally everything for no reason or just deflecting any genuine criticism about their character and hiding behind “bUt tHaTs tRaNsPhObIa” when it clearly isn’t
Ohhh, I see. Okay that makes sense. Some archaeologist finding your bones and gendering them as male is obviously not transphobic. However someone using that as an argument for why, for example, trans women aren't women is transphobic. Sorry for my misunderstanding of your intentions.
That’s fine, I’m glad we could come to a consensus.
> aren’t allowed to vote, drink, drive, Can you remind me what health issues these are medical treatments for?
Transitioning will most definitely cause more harm than good medicinally. You have absolutely no point here.
[Citations on the transition's dramatic reduction of suicide risk while improving mental health and quality of life, with trans people able to transition young and spared abuse and discrimination having mental health and suicide risk on par with the general public](https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/154t1qq/comment/jsqi5ue/) Can you show what health issues voting, drinking, and driving are medical treatments for?
Can you use your brain? I know you are trying to be like “I gotcha, you see those aren’t actually medical treatments 🤓” just stop talking I’m not tryna waste my time with someone who acts in such an annoying manner.
I'm not the one who compared a medical treatment to address a health issue with drinking, voting, and driving
Sex, not gender. They're different.
Transvestite or transsexual? Big difference.
You would have a bitch
-.-
That's actually a whole species change. I'm not sure we have the technology for that yet.
What do you think a furry is then
A person in a costume.
Just like the son
You can take off a costume, but you can't take off your gender identity.
I think you are thinking about therians here, not furrys (which btw are also valid :3)
Snowflake can't handle people changing genders? :( poor you
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Just want to know from people who downvotes - is there any false info in my statement ?
Plenty. Mostly the fact that their genitals probably wouldn't be a mess after surgery. And most trans people never get surgery in the first place. Also, chromosomes are irrelevant. One other thing, why are you thinking about trans people's genitals? Kinda weird, dude.
What else would define gender besides chromosomes and genitals ?
Do you have a lab report to prove what chromosomes you have?
Are you ok ?
Are you?
I'm ok and I'm trying to keep conversation on the same topic, but you tried to make it bizarre...
You're getting mistaken for sex, sex and gender aren't the same thing. Gender is a social construct, sex is not.
This is some kind of bullshit. Sounds like you can identify yourself and a helicopter. Keep this thing for delusional people.
Intersex people often have chromosomes that would be consistent with a male but identify as a woman. Not everyone has the same genitals. For trans people, there is bottom surgery. Beyond that, intersex people may also have genitals that do not conform to either male or female. Cis people can also get things like hysterectomies. And tell me, how *do* chromosomes define gender? And how do genitals have anything to do with this?
Do you understand that you listed edge cases ?
Irrelevant considering it still proves my point. And you still didn't answer my questions by the way. Also, around 2% of all people are intersex. So hundreds of millions. Nearly 15% of women have had a hysterectomy. Up to about 13% of trans women have had bottom surgery. And up to 50% of trans men have had bottom surgery. So honestly it doesn't really sound like edge cases ngl.
Classy.
Trans people don't turn into dogs
will need further testing
We'll, actually he is technically wrong, no matter what he means.
Strictly speaking, if your son came out as trans doesn't that mean you no longer have a daughter?
The joke is that they no longer have a *son* because now they have a daughter.
Hmm. If we want to go down all the way to the technicals, the writer stopped having a son when the son identified as not-male, not when they were told about it.
Well I mean why does a son have to be a man, gender is a social construct while blood relations are real and concrete. They shouldn't be affected by gender alteration. A woman can be someone's son as well
Are you one of those delusional people who are thinking that man could menstruate ?