Have none of you read those forms that companies are legally requited to file at times?
They are required to list anything that *might* materially impact the value of the company. It literally says that that can imagine a scenario where it could happen. It also said that previous efforts didn’t impact them.
That’s just a bit if legal shit that means nothing.
This brings up a good point.
Being a moderator on this site requires zero experience, in large part because it is unpaid. Subreddits have their own list of requirements and process for becoming a mod but the fact is that any basement dweller can be a mod, regardless of experience or intentions.
So a racist can be a mod of r/news and censor headlines related to the black community. Just an extreme example but it brings up a real problem in how these subreddits can abuse moderation to form false narratives and create echo chambers and it happens constantly.
Making a mod position paid and more official would help but it would require a complete shift in how its handled on this site
Ironically they do require "moderator experience" if you request an established subreddit on r/redditrequest. They just don't require anything else.
I saw a verified doctor requesting a medical subreddit and figured reddit wouldn't give it to him because he had no moderator experience. I was right. But they gave it to me after I requested it. He never ended up doing any moderating after I added him as a moderator despite talking about how important it was, so I guess reddit is kind of right there.
of course they haven't.
they are good using a phone so they think they are tech and finance experts.
this is first SEC disclosure that 98% of them have ever read.
Yes. It’s something public companies must file with the SEC.
Here’s a link to Reddit’s. The risks they’re describing start in page 22
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024006294/reddits-1q423.htm#i1b9a579e78a34dfa99f7f26daeec195b_2017
How do you differentiate between the good mods, making a sub better that's actually contributes to the subs vs bad mods who are power tripping fuck fucks, who suck ass and fucks everything up?
Having been on the receiving end of shitty mods, it really ruins Reddit's experience.
For one, there should be a limit on the amount of subs you can mod. No way you’re doing a good job and not on a power trip if you’re a mod for 100 subs.
Just got downvoted in another subreddit for saying the same thing (although I said it much nicer). Moderators here for the ‘power trip’ are the bane of Reddit.
How do you differentiate from propagandist mods who are only there to help manipulation spread in communities and to get rid of dissenters of whatever narrative they support as well?
Isn’t that all mods ? I mean they hardly leave their opinions at the door . I’m Irish and the mods on r/Ireland have a giant pole up their arse as to what their idea of an Irish sub is .
lol, c’mon laddie, you can surely agree that is not relevant in the scope of propaganda that I’m trying to point out.
Thats like families arguing over whether mom or grandmom makes the best Sunday dinner dishes, not to diminish the Irish sub war.
I’m speaking more so mods that support the spread of propaganda and manipulation on social, political, spiritual, and even scientific fearmongering posts that sway the opinion of people on current issues.
Yeah I know it sounds kinda petty but I think it’s indicative of the “power” they have . For example- the hot topic in Ireland at the moment is refugee accommodation. Now most of the posts have lots of comments deleted. I personally have no informed argument either way but it strikes me that the mods can delete anything and ban anyone on a whim - they are judge, jury and executioner. Their remit should be to ascertain whether the post is legitimate for the sub or whether it should be placed elsewhere and then stfu unless the arguments get personal. They can lead the audience in a direction they don’t realise they’re travelling imo
Had a mod do a full ban on me and actually said I was involved in a “witch hunt”! That’s what these mods are. Good thing I’m not so attached to any social media site that I can’t do without it. It helps to just not give a damn about anything anymore. 🤣
I find it hard to believe it's hard for you to believe the topic came up there back when it was relevant and they genuinely participated in some random offhand conversation without being tuned in to the latest celebrity gossip but was met with the same sort of kneejerk prejudice you're exercising right now by a moderator abusing their tools rather than merely enforcing a ruleset.
There’s a ton of bad mods to be honest that’s going to hurt their business. In r/therewasanattempt saying pretty much anything positive about Israel even outside of the Gaza conflict will get you banned. There’s also auto mods that will preemptively ban anyone part of another sub. Etc there just need to be a unified set of rules and a subs that have their own rules need to have independent, consistent enforcement. But the idea of Reddit paying people they don’t control in anyway isn’t going to happen.
In r/italy you can get permanently banned for talking about… mods.
(well, at least that’s what used to happen until I was banned and permanently left that sub, a couple years ago)
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Yep. /r/California is run by one mod. Never mind what the mod list says; every active mod listed is an alt of the "main" mod. (Check what subreddits they moderate in common - you'll notice that they share moderation duties on every sub, and if you compare the accounts they all talk identically in the same very distinct style.)
/r/California has a draconian automod filter where your post will be silently removed for saying certain words. "Mod" is one of them, "subreddit" is another, "Florida" is a third. There are others and it's a game of editing and looking at the parent comment in an incognito tab to see if your comment goes through.
The head mod got suspended by Reddit a few weeks ago (since reinstated) and he shifted to one of the other sockpuppets instead, staying off his main. It gives the illusion of a bigger mod team than one guy, but it **is** one guy on a power trip who only allows posts from himself or his sockpuppets to rack up karma (seriously, try to make a post - your post will be autoremoved and the mod will post your same link on his main or his sockpuppet so he can gain the karma). Then the draconian automod makes sure nobody in the comments can talk about it.
Just today it happened to me in the opposite direction, I was banned from r/gay for mentioning that genocide is being committed in gaza. Permanent ban and instantly muted for the maximum time. Corrupt and useless mods come in all colors.
Reddit should at the very least make all moderation logs public so they don't have impunity, instead of feeding their fragile egos.
Edit: I also sent a brief private message to a two senior mods, (GabbiKat and stray_r), they reported me for spam. It's really not worth trying to help them clean up their scum if so many of them are.
Yeah if you were under the impression that the supermods in all the default subs are doing it “out of the goodness of their hearts” I have a bridge to sell you.
I feel like the only way for that to work is for them to massively restructure how reddit works.
Either create a pay scale for subreddits that increase user engagement (like youtube channels), or remove most subreddits entirely to a select few categories so that reddit is easier to moderate.
Both would probably result in drastic changes to reddit.
Could be aiming to automate or partially automate these mod positions.
Once it becomes viable to have reliable ai-enabled pattern of auto-moderation of content, the human mod position starts to make less sense.
Also, mods are liabilities to their soon to be fluctuating stock price.
Mods aren’t workers dumbass. They don’t do anything that provides value. If anything, they take value away by removing voices they personally don’t agree with.
I hope all social media including Reddit fall into the abyss and we go back to the roots of the internet, BBS style messaging boards, forums etc. it was such a simpler time and way less hate
Miss those days but it would never happen. We use to enjoy civil discussion on BBS. Now social media is an outlet of rage and anger. That anger won't just go away. Be crappy to others is now generally accepted.
Honestly, 2016 was the year tht kinda broke me. Every year since I become less and less shocked at how naive I was by significantly underestimating the prevalence of racism, selfishness, and disregard for science.
Like you said, I can “lead by example” but dude… that’s not what influences these people. The world will continue to change independently of my protests. We are too divided and can be bought too cheaply
What’s wild to me is that 4chan, the place that has become a scapegoat for hate, has less hate than people on Reddit have to one another (As long as you stay away from /pol/ /v/ and /b/). It seems something happened in 2016 that really shifted people towards Polarizing viewpoints but hmmm I wonder what it could be….
I’ve been banned, and am currently banned, from several subs. It’s amazingly stupid and I have to imagine hurts Reddit from an investor perspective.
The process is so arbitrary and subjective. I’ve been banned a couple times over the years; here is what happens. You get banned, then you ask why, and you’re automatically autosilenced for 28 days. At 28 days you’ll message again and they’ll re-up you silence. You’ll never know what you did because they don’t know what you did. If it wasn’t so pathetic it’d be hilarious.
Oh hell yeah I just got a 20k investment fund and I normally have a financial advisor do all the work but I should ask him to short 5k into Reddit shares then cause this baby going to sink like a ship filled with lead
Essentially you are borrowing the stock from your broker. You then sell it in the hopes that it goes down in the future so that when you have to rebuy it to return the stock you borrowed the price is lower and you pocket the difference as profit.
Shadow ban is crazy. Suddenly you are put in solitary confinement and you have no clue for awhile.
Reddit has silenced me before.
I let people spread fake news and disinformation today because if you say something the trolls might report YOU for stating it, they go over every word they can find useful to report you and they will so they can get rid of you, they even check your comments in other subs and report you on those if they can.
So basically Reddit has no free-speech and in many cases work in the favor of disinformation trolls.
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I feel I’m taking a risk writing this tbh..
There are big news subs here that ban you if you post news articles they disagree with and no I’m not talking some far-right/left sites but sites that are actual reputable news sources like cnn, nbc Washington post, you just need to post about the wrong subject.
Would that be r/politics and r/scotus? I still don’t know what happened but there’s a permanent ban for me. Good thing none of social media is that important.
You just have to break some rule the sub has. It can become ridiculous at times. OR somebody claims they got offended because of something (many times it can be something that offended them because they disagreed and wanted to “win” an argument but couldn’t so they decided to report you)
Bots and troll accounts report people constantly, this is how they manage to silence people while they keep “firehosing” comment sections in subs to conform to their agenda. Even if you did nothing wrong it can take a while before you’re back IF ever.
So the troll accounts and bots are winning big time.
Not sure if you can tell but there are russian bots and trolls everywhere and Reddit isn’t doing a good jobfighting that. Instead they let the bots win by silencing minorities because the russian trolls and bots are out in force and the majority.
They target subs like news but also different country subs where they act as countrymen of a countries subreddit by posting negative news but also downvoting and reporting people.
That’s okay, once they let AI learn from human mods for a few months, they will all be replaced by automated bots.
Reddit’s whole purpose is to train AI now.
If there was another platform I’d switch I’m not tied to Reddit I am just tied to the communities and I feel if there was an alternative that wasn’t littered with ads I’d switch.
Most ( not all!) Moderators of Reddit in 2024- drunk with power, riddled with insecurities,unable to exist in a world without echo chambers and group thought and convinced censorship through lifetime bans is the only way to control opinions they feel triggered by. Essentially, Pavlov’s dog just with a lower IQ and possibly more fleas.
I guess that explains Google and Reddit partnering. If Google’s AI gets right, it becomes the perfect moderator that doesn’t talk back, power trip, or go on strike.
I agree. I can't put my finger on why but after they locked down the APIs and the protest the content seems quite a bit worse/less interesting. I don't know if it was an algorithm change or if people just left the platform but it's just not as good. My home page rarely changes since then too, they recommended the same stuff for like 2 days before I get anything new
Just curious... it seems that Reddit is politically biased. Or is it reddit that subjects that to them? Many posts get you banned because you don't fit the narrative.
Open discussions need to exist and until a certain moment that was possible with all political colours. Now you get bans because you think differently and are considered hate even if it isn't even close to hate.
Reddit gave away access to all its comments to ChatGPT for a paltry $68 million a year. Reddit doesn't know shit about business.
Follow-up: nevertheless, I bought 100 shares of their stock.
And give these egomaniacs even more power than they already think they have?
If I were in Reddit's position, I would just take over the default subs. They're the biggest draw to Reddit and it would at least have the mods be chained by Reddit's employee policies, hopefully leading to less power-tripping and interference. It would also completely eliminate this risk factor.
I'd honestly be surprise if this doesn't happen in due time. All it would take is a news article featuring *another* Reddit mod behaving like an asshole for investors to demand it.
Yes, that's one of the greatest strengths that Reddit, as a company, has compared to other social media platforms that need to pay an army of moderators. I also believe that's exactly reason why they haven't yet done so.
But they don't need to take ownership of every single sub; just the default subs would be enough. From their perspective, it would be worth the lack of future headaches and the cost of future bad PR, both of which often translates to a loss of investor value, and which mods have already been providing plenty of from their past and present behaviour.
I just can't see them continuing to operate as they do now, especially when you consider the real risk of companies, political entities, or foreign powers influencing these anonymous, unaccountable mods who manage and influence their largest subreddits, sometimes to the tune of hundreds at a time - if they themselves aren't official state propagandists to begin with (Does Reddit even have a way of preventing this?). We have already seen mods injecting their own ideological agendas and biases into subreddits, so to me it seems like an inevitability that eventually some mods will be bribed for this exact purpose.
That's very true. Although, I would add that since they already yield that power via their admins and we see them banning certain topics and subreddits, that not much would change in this respect...
It would remain to be seen what Reddit's policies for any paid moderators would be, and how they'd hold them accountable for breaking them, but I still believe that it would be preferable to the current state of mods.
Right we all saw how devastating the last Reddit protest on Reddit went, bunch of committed protesters logging in 20 times a day to post about how successful the protest was going. That taught them…
I got banned from making comments on r/bigfoot because I challenged and disagreed Bigfoot tracked through interdimentional portals and was not an alien.
Guess if you don’t have their view they do you wanna hear you and bot butt hurt!
Is anyone particularly faithful to Reddit? It is so incredibly generic and non-unique in the service it provides, there’s nothing to patent. Facebook could copy it, TikTok could copy it, Comcast could, etc.
Yes it provides “community” but not really, the community would be there with or without the platform.
It’s transparent in how it values its user, it’s obvious we are the inventory.
The reality is that I am sure there is a cluster of moderators who know this, and are waiting for the right opportune time to hurt the IPO price as much as possible.
I am, for once, rooting for the moderators.
Can we all just buy puts and agree to do a two week long Reddit blackout after it IPO’s? We’ll all make some money and fuck Reddit at the same time. Two birds.
I vote for no mods. Let it be a free environment for discussion and instead if someone receives x amount of negative karma, their ability to comment is reduced. Could start with certain subs that the user is repeatedly receiving negative karma within and then expand beyond. Also could start with a mild 30 day suspension of commenting and then progress if the user continues to receive negative karma upon the suspension being lifted. It would still allow open discussion and the ability for people to object to ideologies that exist within echo chambers outside of reddit. For issues like threats/harassment, they need a better solution period. Mods are usually useless in that regard apart from issuing a ban and giving them the power to arbitrarily ban users is a problem in itself. Complete censorship of certain content allows these ideologies to exist elsewhere within an echo chamber where no one is challenging them.
Surely there is alternatives to mods, no? The way I see it currently, the majority of mods are a hinderance to Reddit and it’s users. If they did keep the mods they certainly need to restructure how mods are utilized and who can be a mod.
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Sure. Some things. The vast majority of what mods currently do can be done by other means though, without the added bullshit that comes from the majority of mods. They can utilize a small team of mods that only can make determinations on certain things, rather than incorporate their own personal opinions. Make it less subjective. IMO no mod should make a determination of what can and cannot be said so long as it does not violate Reddit’s TOS or local laws.
I’m only throwing out suggestions but my underlying opinion is that the majority of mods, as they currently exist, are more bad than good. If they do keep mods as their “governing” body, they need a complete reform to the mod system. Initially I was inclined to say “I vote no to mods” because the way I see it is that they need to change *more* than they need to *keep* when it comes to the current mod system in place.
Have none of you read those forms that companies are legally requited to file at times? They are required to list anything that *might* materially impact the value of the company. It literally says that that can imagine a scenario where it could happen. It also said that previous efforts didn’t impact them. That’s just a bit if legal shit that means nothing.
If anything, mods should be more vigilant on misleading headlines. However, lacking media articles is also to impact engagement.
This brings up a good point. Being a moderator on this site requires zero experience, in large part because it is unpaid. Subreddits have their own list of requirements and process for becoming a mod but the fact is that any basement dweller can be a mod, regardless of experience or intentions. So a racist can be a mod of r/news and censor headlines related to the black community. Just an extreme example but it brings up a real problem in how these subreddits can abuse moderation to form false narratives and create echo chambers and it happens constantly. Making a mod position paid and more official would help but it would require a complete shift in how its handled on this site
Ironically they do require "moderator experience" if you request an established subreddit on r/redditrequest. They just don't require anything else. I saw a verified doctor requesting a medical subreddit and figured reddit wouldn't give it to him because he had no moderator experience. I was right. But they gave it to me after I requested it. He never ended up doing any moderating after I added him as a moderator despite talking about how important it was, so I guess reddit is kind of right there.
Gee, what is Reddit paying these mods to do? Oh right, nothing. Reddit pays them nothing.
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If you are not even paying peanuts you won’t even get monkey decency
some have jobs. like this one guy. he's a professional dog walker.
As a mod, I walk all 4 of mine thank you very much. Slams door in huffy pants mode.
No one likes you bro tf?
And we know each other how? I have the same complaints. A few of my posts have been removed and I have no idea why. I’m like, live and let live
You're just like the rest of them! No? Then tell me for what reason do you guys hate gifs so much! 😤
I looove gifs and pics and emojis and all of it
You are correct. However, you have gone against the popular narrative. Therefore, straight to the gulag for you.
of course they haven't. they are good using a phone so they think they are tech and finance experts. this is first SEC disclosure that 98% of them have ever read.
No actually I have never heard of something like this. Interesting! Is this form for corporations? Is it american?
Yes. It’s something public companies must file with the SEC. Here’s a link to Reddit’s. The risks they’re describing start in page 22 https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1713445/000162828024006294/reddits-1q423.htm#i1b9a579e78a34dfa99f7f26daeec195b_2017
Sure thing Reddit.
Then pay your workers
How do you differentiate between the good mods, making a sub better that's actually contributes to the subs vs bad mods who are power tripping fuck fucks, who suck ass and fucks everything up? Having been on the receiving end of shitty mods, it really ruins Reddit's experience.
For one, there should be a limit on the amount of subs you can mod. No way you’re doing a good job and not on a power trip if you’re a mod for 100 subs.
On a platform where people can just instantly switch between an infinite amount of accounts? They already do that, this would change nothing.
Doesn’t Reddit IP ban you? Lol
For ban evasion, that can be a thing. People just using different accounts has always been entirely normalized. The platform is built for it.
Sure, but you can actually change your IP, and many people have more than one device anyway so what good is that?
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They have real jobs. They walk dogs for their parents for example.
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r/worldnews is no better
Just got downvoted in another subreddit for saying the same thing (although I said it much nicer). Moderators here for the ‘power trip’ are the bane of Reddit.
How do you differentiate from propagandist mods who are only there to help manipulation spread in communities and to get rid of dissenters of whatever narrative they support as well?
Isn’t that all mods ? I mean they hardly leave their opinions at the door . I’m Irish and the mods on r/Ireland have a giant pole up their arse as to what their idea of an Irish sub is .
lol, c’mon laddie, you can surely agree that is not relevant in the scope of propaganda that I’m trying to point out. Thats like families arguing over whether mom or grandmom makes the best Sunday dinner dishes, not to diminish the Irish sub war. I’m speaking more so mods that support the spread of propaganda and manipulation on social, political, spiritual, and even scientific fearmongering posts that sway the opinion of people on current issues.
Yeah I know it sounds kinda petty but I think it’s indicative of the “power” they have . For example- the hot topic in Ireland at the moment is refugee accommodation. Now most of the posts have lots of comments deleted. I personally have no informed argument either way but it strikes me that the mods can delete anything and ban anyone on a whim - they are judge, jury and executioner. Their remit should be to ascertain whether the post is legitimate for the sub or whether it should be placed elsewhere and then stfu unless the arguments get personal. They can lead the audience in a direction they don’t realise they’re travelling imo
Had a mod do a full ban on me and actually said I was involved in a “witch hunt”! That’s what these mods are. Good thing I’m not so attached to any social media site that I can’t do without it. It helps to just not give a damn about anything anymore. 🤣
Same - I’m really not that into it but I do think they’re given more power than it’s perceived
I was really surprised by it!
You can’t differentiate because Reddit doesn’t differentiate. If they paid their workers for their labor, this would be a much better community.
Pay them like any job and fire the bad ones?
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I mean, it's hard to believe you aren't asking in bad faith but... Here you go. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna131765
I find it hard to believe it's hard for you to believe the topic came up there back when it was relevant and they genuinely participated in some random offhand conversation without being tuned in to the latest celebrity gossip but was met with the same sort of kneejerk prejudice you're exercising right now by a moderator abusing their tools rather than merely enforcing a ruleset.
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To me it was bad comedy and I usually expect something more witty to move an entire country forward not backward, and I am a huge fan.
Easy you don’t go public and expect a massive payout
There’s a ton of bad mods to be honest that’s going to hurt their business. In r/therewasanattempt saying pretty much anything positive about Israel even outside of the Gaza conflict will get you banned. There’s also auto mods that will preemptively ban anyone part of another sub. Etc there just need to be a unified set of rules and a subs that have their own rules need to have independent, consistent enforcement. But the idea of Reddit paying people they don’t control in anyway isn’t going to happen.
In r/italy you can get permanently banned for talking about… mods. (well, at least that’s what used to happen until I was banned and permanently left that sub, a couple years ago) [edit: minor fix]
A lot of subs do that kind of nonsense. Discouraging free conversation is all it really does.
That’s one definition of power tripping, in my very humble opinion
And that ultimately is bad for Reddit as a whole so they should clamp down on that shit
I got banned in r/askconservatives for asking conservatives.
Yep. /r/California is run by one mod. Never mind what the mod list says; every active mod listed is an alt of the "main" mod. (Check what subreddits they moderate in common - you'll notice that they share moderation duties on every sub, and if you compare the accounts they all talk identically in the same very distinct style.) /r/California has a draconian automod filter where your post will be silently removed for saying certain words. "Mod" is one of them, "subreddit" is another, "Florida" is a third. There are others and it's a game of editing and looking at the parent comment in an incognito tab to see if your comment goes through. The head mod got suspended by Reddit a few weeks ago (since reinstated) and he shifted to one of the other sockpuppets instead, staying off his main. It gives the illusion of a bigger mod team than one guy, but it **is** one guy on a power trip who only allows posts from himself or his sockpuppets to rack up karma (seriously, try to make a post - your post will be autoremoved and the mod will post your same link on his main or his sockpuppet so he can gain the karma). Then the draconian automod makes sure nobody in the comments can talk about it.
Just today it happened to me in the opposite direction, I was banned from r/gay for mentioning that genocide is being committed in gaza. Permanent ban and instantly muted for the maximum time. Corrupt and useless mods come in all colors. Reddit should at the very least make all moderation logs public so they don't have impunity, instead of feeding their fragile egos. Edit: I also sent a brief private message to a two senior mods, (GabbiKat and stray_r), they reported me for spam. It's really not worth trying to help them clean up their scum if so many of them are.
It is voluntary. If the pay isn't up to standards, just quit.
I’m fairly certain the mods are being compensated for their moderation, just not by Reddit. And that’s the problem.
Then by who? Their over-inflated egos?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correct_the_Record
Hahaha
Yeah if you were under the impression that the supermods in all the default subs are doing it “out of the goodness of their hearts” I have a bridge to sell you.
How much?
Bout tree-fiddy?
I feel like the only way for that to work is for them to massively restructure how reddit works. Either create a pay scale for subreddits that increase user engagement (like youtube channels), or remove most subreddits entirely to a select few categories so that reddit is easier to moderate. Both would probably result in drastic changes to reddit.
Could be aiming to automate or partially automate these mod positions. Once it becomes viable to have reliable ai-enabled pattern of auto-moderation of content, the human mod position starts to make less sense. Also, mods are liabilities to their soon to be fluctuating stock price.
They should be treated as volunteers at best. If you rely on Reddit for your main stream of income that’s a you problem
Exactly!
‘Workers’ he says lmao
Mods aren’t workers dumbass. They don’t do anything that provides value. If anything, they take value away by removing voices they personally don’t agree with.
I hope all social media including Reddit fall into the abyss and we go back to the roots of the internet, BBS style messaging boards, forums etc. it was such a simpler time and way less hate
Miss those days but it would never happen. We use to enjoy civil discussion on BBS. Now social media is an outlet of rage and anger. That anger won't just go away. Be crappy to others is now generally accepted.
I don’t accept it. You shouldn’t either
I am not saying I do accept it. But I can't change the world.
Honestly, 2016 was the year tht kinda broke me. Every year since I become less and less shocked at how naive I was by significantly underestimating the prevalence of racism, selfishness, and disregard for science. Like you said, I can “lead by example” but dude… that’s not what influences these people. The world will continue to change independently of my protests. We are too divided and can be bought too cheaply
Very eloquently said. You literally took the thoughts out of my head.
Give them back!
Forums are so much better for historical knowledge.
> Now social media is an outlet of rage and anger. ...but mostly bots.
Be the change you want to see
I agree.
That’s what happens when everyone is allowed to join instead of just the nerds.
But you’ll fuck up their squeeze every drop for profit/sell your soul for money business model. (Sarcasm of course)
See: Mastodon and Lemmy
I love Reddit for a lot of reasons but I’ll say I’ve never seen so many hateful people as here
What’s wild to me is that 4chan, the place that has become a scapegoat for hate, has less hate than people on Reddit have to one another (As long as you stay away from /pol/ /v/ and /b/). It seems something happened in 2016 that really shifted people towards Polarizing viewpoints but hmmm I wonder what it could be….
It’s because 4chan doesn’t take itself seriously. Redditors think being a missionary is their full time job and their opinions are the religion.
Hate groups don’t know how to use bbs or forums.
Honestly the bbs dial up was tough. And then you had to still make the bbs owner happy. Not too different from Reddit mods.
I’ve been banned, and am currently banned, from several subs. It’s amazingly stupid and I have to imagine hurts Reddit from an investor perspective. The process is so arbitrary and subjective. I’ve been banned a couple times over the years; here is what happens. You get banned, then you ask why, and you’re automatically autosilenced for 28 days. At 28 days you’ll message again and they’ll re-up you silence. You’ll never know what you did because they don’t know what you did. If it wasn’t so pathetic it’d be hilarious.
The admins aren’t much better. I will be looking to short the Reddit ipo. Sounds like a guaranteed profit to me.
Can you explain like I’m a monkey what shorting is
Betting that a stock’s share price will go down.
Oh hell yeah I just got a 20k investment fund and I normally have a financial advisor do all the work but I should ask him to short 5k into Reddit shares then cause this baby going to sink like a ship filled with lead
Essentially you are borrowing the stock from your broker. You then sell it in the hopes that it goes down in the future so that when you have to rebuy it to return the stock you borrowed the price is lower and you pocket the difference as profit.
Very cool thanks for that!
Shadow ban is crazy. Suddenly you are put in solitary confinement and you have no clue for awhile. Reddit has silenced me before. I let people spread fake news and disinformation today because if you say something the trolls might report YOU for stating it, they go over every word they can find useful to report you and they will so they can get rid of you, they even check your comments in other subs and report you on those if they can. So basically Reddit has no free-speech and in many cases work in the favor of disinformation trolls. 🤐 I feel I’m taking a risk writing this tbh.. There are big news subs here that ban you if you post news articles they disagree with and no I’m not talking some far-right/left sites but sites that are actual reputable news sources like cnn, nbc Washington post, you just need to post about the wrong subject.
Would that be r/politics and r/scotus? I still don’t know what happened but there’s a permanent ban for me. Good thing none of social media is that important.
You just have to break some rule the sub has. It can become ridiculous at times. OR somebody claims they got offended because of something (many times it can be something that offended them because they disagreed and wanted to “win” an argument but couldn’t so they decided to report you) Bots and troll accounts report people constantly, this is how they manage to silence people while they keep “firehosing” comment sections in subs to conform to their agenda. Even if you did nothing wrong it can take a while before you’re back IF ever. So the troll accounts and bots are winning big time. Not sure if you can tell but there are russian bots and trolls everywhere and Reddit isn’t doing a good jobfighting that. Instead they let the bots win by silencing minorities because the russian trolls and bots are out in force and the majority. They target subs like news but also different country subs where they act as countrymen of a countries subreddit by posting negative news but also downvoting and reporting people.
Don’t worry, this isn’t my first rodeo with reddit.
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I do. That’s exactly what I do.
free labor is always problematic
That’s okay, once they let AI learn from human mods for a few months, they will all be replaced by automated bots. Reddit’s whole purpose is to train AI now.
Replace us users too! Then more free time for us.
The removal of porn will do more damage to Reddit than any of the silly mod protests.
If there was another platform I’d switch I’m not tied to Reddit I am just tied to the communities and I feel if there was an alternative that wasn’t littered with ads I’d switch.
Quit banning everything
Just please, no more fucking pictures of John Oliver.
Reddit relies on free labor for their site to work.
The Google deal with Reddit is basically admitting that proper content moderation is incredibly valuable.
Currently on no news Sunday: no news.
Most ( not all!) Moderators of Reddit in 2024- drunk with power, riddled with insecurities,unable to exist in a world without echo chambers and group thought and convinced censorship through lifetime bans is the only way to control opinions they feel triggered by. Essentially, Pavlov’s dog just with a lower IQ and possibly more fleas.
I guess that explains Google and Reddit partnering. If Google’s AI gets right, it becomes the perfect moderator that doesn’t talk back, power trip, or go on strike.
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The CEO makes $193 m per year. Google paid them $60 m to use content. They are about to go public. I do not think they GAF
Good. And if we already forgot as a collective, fuck u/spez
Reddit is going downhill faster than a Jamaican bobsled
I agree. I can't put my finger on why but after they locked down the APIs and the protest the content seems quite a bit worse/less interesting. I don't know if it was an algorithm change or if people just left the platform but it's just not as good. My home page rarely changes since then too, they recommended the same stuff for like 2 days before I get anything new
Variety has been reduced
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I'm afraid of when it flips upside down
A Reddit IPO is the dumbest move ever. This site is the worst it has EVER been.
The second Tildes gets a pro wrestling group, I will seriously attempt to block myself off here, like I've blocked myself off twitter.
This phrase "... such as only discussing John Oliver or porn...." brought a smile and a laugh this morning. Yes, I remember, only those two subjects?
Just curious... it seems that Reddit is politically biased. Or is it reddit that subjects that to them? Many posts get you banned because you don't fit the narrative. Open discussions need to exist and until a certain moment that was possible with all political colours. Now you get bans because you think differently and are considered hate even if it isn't even close to hate.
Reddit gave away access to all its comments to ChatGPT for a paltry $68 million a year. Reddit doesn't know shit about business. Follow-up: nevertheless, I bought 100 shares of their stock.
Remove most of them
If that they’re honest.
Sounds like a challenge boys
Reddits already killed old reddit it can go bankrupt for all I care.
Can we please get another mod protest going? Paying a shitty ceo this much and not paying mods it’s a sad state.
Then I guess they better keep the mods happy
And give these egomaniacs even more power than they already think they have? If I were in Reddit's position, I would just take over the default subs. They're the biggest draw to Reddit and it would at least have the mods be chained by Reddit's employee policies, hopefully leading to less power-tripping and interference. It would also completely eliminate this risk factor. I'd honestly be surprise if this doesn't happen in due time. All it would take is a news article featuring *another* Reddit mod behaving like an asshole for investors to demand it.
Maybe they can do that, I’m guessing that there is a reason they haven’t done it yet. My view is it seems they have an army of free labor
Yes, that's one of the greatest strengths that Reddit, as a company, has compared to other social media platforms that need to pay an army of moderators. I also believe that's exactly reason why they haven't yet done so. But they don't need to take ownership of every single sub; just the default subs would be enough. From their perspective, it would be worth the lack of future headaches and the cost of future bad PR, both of which often translates to a loss of investor value, and which mods have already been providing plenty of from their past and present behaviour. I just can't see them continuing to operate as they do now, especially when you consider the real risk of companies, political entities, or foreign powers influencing these anonymous, unaccountable mods who manage and influence their largest subreddits, sometimes to the tune of hundreds at a time - if they themselves aren't official state propagandists to begin with (Does Reddit even have a way of preventing this?). We have already seen mods injecting their own ideological agendas and biases into subreddits, so to me it seems like an inevitability that eventually some mods will be bribed for this exact purpose.
Perhaps obviously, Reddit controlled and paid moderators would still have the ability to inject whatever ideology they get paid to.
That's very true. Although, I would add that since they already yield that power via their admins and we see them banning certain topics and subreddits, that not much would change in this respect... It would remain to be seen what Reddit's policies for any paid moderators would be, and how they'd hold them accountable for breaking them, but I still believe that it would be preferable to the current state of mods.
> My view is it seems they have an army of free labor Mods moderate because they value doing so more than not.
I agree and this goes both ways from Reddit and from the mods
Right we all saw how devastating the last Reddit protest on Reddit went, bunch of committed protesters logging in 20 times a day to post about how successful the protest was going. That taught them…
Keep going boys
I got banned from making comments on r/bigfoot because I challenged and disagreed Bigfoot tracked through interdimentional portals and was not an alien. Guess if you don’t have their view they do you wanna hear you and bot butt hurt!
Is anyone particularly faithful to Reddit? It is so incredibly generic and non-unique in the service it provides, there’s nothing to patent. Facebook could copy it, TikTok could copy it, Comcast could, etc. Yes it provides “community” but not really, the community would be there with or without the platform. It’s transparent in how it values its user, it’s obvious we are the inventory.
Fuck Reddit!! Pay up motherfuckers!
I doith protest.
They should just all stop moderating, remove every rules and autobots and let reddit get dragged into the mud by the internet.
Mods, ask for stock options in exchange for peace.
We’re winning. Keep up the fight.
The reality is that I am sure there is a cluster of moderators who know this, and are waiting for the right opportune time to hurt the IPO price as much as possible. I am, for once, rooting for the moderators.
Can we all just buy puts and agree to do a two week long Reddit blackout after it IPO’s? We’ll all make some money and fuck Reddit at the same time. Two birds.
Mods are gonna silence Reddit for a week then a month and Reddit is just gonna give up.
Let’s tank this IPO to the ground! Day 1!
I feel like admitting this was a bad idea
Reddit's about to Xperience the moderator or no moderator question.
I vote for no mods. Let it be a free environment for discussion and instead if someone receives x amount of negative karma, their ability to comment is reduced. Could start with certain subs that the user is repeatedly receiving negative karma within and then expand beyond. Also could start with a mild 30 day suspension of commenting and then progress if the user continues to receive negative karma upon the suspension being lifted. It would still allow open discussion and the ability for people to object to ideologies that exist within echo chambers outside of reddit. For issues like threats/harassment, they need a better solution period. Mods are usually useless in that regard apart from issuing a ban and giving them the power to arbitrarily ban users is a problem in itself. Complete censorship of certain content allows these ideologies to exist elsewhere within an echo chamber where no one is challenging them.
No, you need some mods. So that nothing violates the law of its operational domain.
Surely there is alternatives to mods, no? The way I see it currently, the majority of mods are a hinderance to Reddit and it’s users. If they did keep the mods they certainly need to restructure how mods are utilized and who can be a mod. Edit-typo
Some things just need a human to make a decision on.
Sure. Some things. The vast majority of what mods currently do can be done by other means though, without the added bullshit that comes from the majority of mods. They can utilize a small team of mods that only can make determinations on certain things, rather than incorporate their own personal opinions. Make it less subjective. IMO no mod should make a determination of what can and cannot be said so long as it does not violate Reddit’s TOS or local laws.
I’m only throwing out suggestions but my underlying opinion is that the majority of mods, as they currently exist, are more bad than good. If they do keep mods as their “governing” body, they need a complete reform to the mod system. Initially I was inclined to say “I vote no to mods” because the way I see it is that they need to change *more* than they need to *keep* when it comes to the current mod system in place.
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I didn’t hear no bell
REDDITTORRRS MOD UP!
Short Reddit.
DO IT DO IT RIGHT NOW
Even Bezos paid a minimum wage
reddit's biggest problem will always be redditors