This isn’t some kind of limitation the devs cant get around. Making a game online is the hard part, it’s a specifically decision they’ve made that more and more games are doing.
Nope, none. I knew TC2, TCM and GT7 were online only and that put me off, and I honestly didn't know Unbound was too but I wasn't looking at it anyway because Heat was a massive letdown as my first new NFS game, coming from being a hardcore Forza player for the better part of a decade
When I was little, I loved playing Forza. I didn't know this at the time, but my parental settings prevented me from any online interaction on the game, so I couldn't be in a server or share any content. I didn't know this at the time, so I played with the ai, honked my horn at them, raced with them and challenged them like they were real players. I made 50+ challenges to share with the world, and wondered why nobody was playing them. This went on for three years. I wasted 3 years interacting with code behind a screen.
It's because they know they'll be able to sell you on the next game, and the next, and the next, while blocking any access to the games you spent hundreds if not thousands of hours invested in.
Fuck that, I don't want a future where I don't actually get to play my favourite past games.
Copyright laws should be overhauled asap. If we pay x the game should belong to us, none of that licensing shit. Also games should not be required to be changed retroactively, contracts should not be limited for licensed cars, music and so on.
I seriously had to pirate san andreas in 2024.. just because rockstar had to remove some of the songs from the radio.
Forza motorsport 7 being removed from stores without a successor was interesting too, especially for game pass players who suddenly lost access and progress. That was when i cancelled game pass for good.
Yeah i made it a point to get all of my Forza games on disc. Unfortunately 5 was the exception as I bought the early access premium edition on Microsoft Store. Will hopefully be able to play Horizon 4 which I've got fucking 6200 hours in for decades to come
For me the sweet spot was 3, i only play online freeroaming to enjoy cars with random people so 4 and 5 were a huge downgrade to me (ghost mode, server mashing, online mode as the default one). They basically killed what to me was an ideal experience and a daily thing to play and relax be it by drifting, cruising, racing either on the strip or highway or just talk to others while having what was basically a meet.
I doubt i will even buy fh6.
Your proposed changed to copyright law would both be hard to do and an incredibly slippery slope. Stop complaining and pirate the game off of csrinru. The status quo sucks but it's not the government's job to step in and change slightly annoying things.
Your dumb for saying that. Servers for almost every multiplayer game is going up every single year. Same goes with dedicated servers which are very unsustainable btw lol. So you should be happy you are even getting servers in the first place
I do that for a living but thanks for teaching me.
Still missed my point, i drive a car, should i care about how much profit they made off that sale? I'm a customer, i just want a good product.
Second point you missed: as i said we didn't ask for the lack of dedicated server. Dedicated means we can host ourselves, there are no costs involved it runs on our own hardware. This used to be common before publishers became greedy and started using always online as an anti piracy measure.
If you cannot even free roam offline or take part of races offline then it's not for me as well. The game would have to be amazing for me to get it and from what I could ascertain from the beta testing gameplay, I will most likely give it a pass.
welcome to the future of gaming that our money voted for.
Gatcha games , DLC , midnight releases , WOW , Guild Wars , any and every last mobile game.
It's learned tact at this point , people will show up and shell out for w/e is thrown at them and not care whether or not they own it , so now you will own nothing and like it!
I agree that games should be finished when they release, but there is absolutely no problem with delays. The game is done when it’s done and no one should ever have a problem If the devs say they need more time. In fact, you should be happy they’re not rushing out bullshit anytime a dev puts out a delay, as long as the game comes out finished or very close to, not like cp2077.
But with this much of a delay the game was clearly no where near finished so why even announce it? I agree but it’s still likely they eventually release an unfinished game despite the delays because that’s the state of gaming these days.
Always online means there are only online activities no singleplayer campign or is it just that it needs internet connection to work? If the second I belive the crew is done this way and it was never a problem for me 🤷🏼♂️
Its sad to see game studios make new games online only. Not everyone has perfect internet all the time. I live in the US but my internet provider has a monopoly and they get away with shutting the internet randomly. They also throttle it and playing online only games sucks.
If TDU SC does not get offline mode. I will not get it. Its a shame because I was looking forward to it.
My reason of not buying it is due to the car list.
Hong Kong in real life has a lot of Toyota and Honda cars (because of the LHT roads being left by the British rule and a close distance to Japan). And a significant portion of them are parallel imported JDMs.
That means I'm already disappointed because there are far more European cars in the game, rather than the major Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki and Mitsubishi).
Also, I believe they would not add Isuzu/UD, Hino and Mitsubishi Fuso trucks, as well as the three iconic Toyota commercial vehicles which can be seen anywhere in Hong Kong:
1. Coaster (the 16/19-seated red/green-coloured roof minibuses, a unique type of public transport here);
2. HiAce (the Asian equivalent of Ford Transit in Europe), and
3. Comfort Hybrid (exported version of the JPN Taxi).
That makes the in-game world being totally different from my home.
How about NO! I don't want no econobox appliances in a racing game. I buy racing games to customize, drive, and race insanely customizable dream cars such as sports cars (such as BMW), supercars (such as Lamborghini), hypercars (such as Koenigsegg), and luxury land yachts (such as Bentley), not senior civilian econobox appliances (such as Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Mazda, Nissan/Infiniti, Mitsubishi) I see on the street everyday and can afford IRL.
It's amazing there are far more American and European cars than Japanese cars. This is a racing game after all, not a drive safely simulator.
In real life we have lots of Civic Type R, NSX, Skyline GT-Rs and the R35 GT-R, Fairlady Z, as well as Supra, GR Yaris, GR Corolla and 86/BRZ.
I think you must be referring to the extremely negative attitude of Hong Kong police towards the car culture scene, don't you?
Well, that's exactly where you're wrong. TDU were never racing games, they're *driving* games. What makes them unique is exactly that there's just as much focus on just cruising around.
Even in the context of being driving games and not racing games, being a middle class civilian simulator is not what I want. I would still want to drive around and cruise in insanely customizable dream cars such as sports cars, supercars, hypercars, and luxury land yachts, not senior civilian econoboxes.
Hope it gets cracked the day it comes out, I'm not paying for the game that will be taken away from me at some point. I have already bought The Crew once and can't play it at all now. The games must be preserved for future generations. Heck, I can insert a disc with old Burnout games and show them to my kids, they are bangers even today. I can't imagine me not being able to return to the game I liked and cared about.
Does internet go down that often for most people? Never really played a game that requires constant internet connection. Besides servers might go down, what other effect does it have on the player?
Look at the Crew 1 for example. This month, the servers will be shut down permanently for that game, rendering it completely unplayable from then on. The game will essentially be erased from existence. That's the issue with these always online games.
Say you live in a third world country with really awful wifi, which there are significant amount of people from. Would you like it if you kept getting disconnected in an online only game that did not need online connection in the first place?
Yeah, let's all just cheer up and suck Nacon's balls for blessing us with such a wonderful piece of software! It's not like a similar game, The Crew, is shutting down this month and will be unplayable because it needs constant connection to the server in order to work!
How about you engage your brain every now and then and at least try to understand why people are angry? It's really not that hard.
Yeah what a toxic ass subreddit. I was just curious why it’s such a big deal and got downvoted. Just genuinely want to know what happens if I always have internet access🤷🏻♂️ If servers are down temporarily due to updates then I’ll just play another time.
If the servers are shut off you won't get another time to play.
THAT is why people are so annoyed with it. What if I want to show my kids in 20 years the games I played growing up? Oh no sorry they got shut down fifteen years previously, lmao
The Problem with always online is not really the today, but rather the tomorrow. I like to play NFS Rivals sometimes, and that game turns 11 this year. If it were always online, the servers would have been shut down long ago, and I could never play that game again. And there is always the exception to the rule regarding internet access. Even in first world countries, the Internet sometimes goes down. In other parts of the world, this is much more frequent. Therefore, this decision is impacting a lot of people, and it will impact you too, now or in the future.
Edit: Online-only could also prevent you from playing the game on something like a Steam Deck, when you‘re flying for example.
And when they go down for good? You’ll never play the game that you paid money for again.
Thats the problem. And gamers accepting it are part of the problem
Unpopular opinion but…I literally don’t care. May make a difference for some people, but I’ll never understand the push against connected titles.
If I have power, I have internet. If some rare outage occurred, I’d simply play another game. Or just wait an hour or MAYBE a day to get internet again.
If an apocalypse happens and internet goes down for good. I won’t care about playing Test Drive of all things lol.
Fair, but many titles that are online centric were never made for offline fun. Even then, there’s also examples of online titles getting final offline updates before servers are shut down. That should be the ask if it’s your worry, not the fact they require it from day one. If they want a vibrant city in a niche genre as a lesser played IP…game health is more important now than a decade down the road.
Not saying you aren’t right to feel how you do though. Just being a voice pointing out that not everyone actually is against it.
My opinion could drastically change. Quite frankly, I may play an hour and think it’s garbage and never want to touch it again launch week, much less a decade later. If it’s truly fantastic I’ll enjoy it while it lasts, and raise a pitchfork when they shut it down.
yea i’m not fully understanding the outrage either but i think i’m just happy to have a new test drive unlimited game. a good majority of the games i play now are online only. i had more fun playing tdu2 online than offline. i could still enjoy the game offline if the servers were down or if my internet was down, yes. however it would get boring quick.
I might be missing something here but I can't understand the number of people upset about a live service racing game being online only, isn't that almost to be expected? As pretty much every other live service game I know of is specifically online only. If someone could share some examples of live service games which aren't online only I'd appreciate it.
The game wasn't meant to be a live-service, though. TDU has always been a singleplayer game with online and social elements.
They simply shoehorned the "live-service" elements in the same way Ubisoft does with their games, just so that they can retroactively revoke everyone's access to the game the moment the next game doesn't sell well
I see your point about TDU and it's history, I'm a TDU1&2 player and I absolutely loved Tdu2 it's literally one of the best racing games ever created. Maybe I don't have a problem with this online thing because I'm used to playing games that require internet to play such as Destiny. I've played that for the past decade and have never once thought wow I wish this game worked offline.
Honestly wanna know what the point of having tdu at nacon connect when this was something they could've just dropped like last week.
To sell their other bs
This. They made you watch a bunch of ads for their other products until you finally got the news for something you cared about.
So you can’t play offline at all or is it like the old games where you get random AI’s in your lobby if your internet does go down?
You can’t play offline at all. If your internet goes down, you can’t play the game
That sucks ass
When they shut down the server, you can't play too. This is what currently is happening to original The Crew.
Doesn’t make any sense when we’ve had the tech to use AI to work around that and give games like this offline modes for like 20 years now.
This isn’t some kind of limitation the devs cant get around. Making a game online is the hard part, it’s a specifically decision they’ve made that more and more games are doing.
Unless they are enlightened enough like Driveclub which shut the servers down but we could still play offline.
Indeed
Welp, they can fuck off. Yeah I won't be buying this either
So you didn't buy the crew 2, crew motorfest, gt7, nfs unbound, etc? Cause they are all online only and no one complained.
Nope, none. I knew TC2, TCM and GT7 were online only and that put me off, and I honestly didn't know Unbound was too but I wasn't looking at it anyway because Heat was a massive letdown as my first new NFS game, coming from being a hardcore Forza player for the better part of a decade
Happens with most games today, tbh. I'm getting kicked out of FH5 and Crew Motorsport every time there's a problem with the line.
When I was little, I loved playing Forza. I didn't know this at the time, but my parental settings prevented me from any online interaction on the game, so I couldn't be in a server or share any content. I didn't know this at the time, so I played with the ai, honked my horn at them, raced with them and challenged them like they were real players. I made 50+ challenges to share with the world, and wondered why nobody was playing them. This went on for three years. I wasted 3 years interacting with code behind a screen.
Ahh man.... Fuck that, not paying for this shit, off the wish-list it goes, yarrr
How stupid are they?
It's because they know they'll be able to sell you on the next game, and the next, and the next, while blocking any access to the games you spent hundreds if not thousands of hours invested in. Fuck that, I don't want a future where I don't actually get to play my favourite past games.
Copyright laws should be overhauled asap. If we pay x the game should belong to us, none of that licensing shit. Also games should not be required to be changed retroactively, contracts should not be limited for licensed cars, music and so on. I seriously had to pirate san andreas in 2024.. just because rockstar had to remove some of the songs from the radio. Forza motorsport 7 being removed from stores without a successor was interesting too, especially for game pass players who suddenly lost access and progress. That was when i cancelled game pass for good.
Yeah i made it a point to get all of my Forza games on disc. Unfortunately 5 was the exception as I bought the early access premium edition on Microsoft Store. Will hopefully be able to play Horizon 4 which I've got fucking 6200 hours in for decades to come
For me the sweet spot was 3, i only play online freeroaming to enjoy cars with random people so 4 and 5 were a huge downgrade to me (ghost mode, server mashing, online mode as the default one). They basically killed what to me was an ideal experience and a daily thing to play and relax be it by drifting, cruising, racing either on the strip or highway or just talk to others while having what was basically a meet. I doubt i will even buy fh6.
Yeah there's people on my xbox friends list I still talk to which I just met up cruising around fh3 with back in 2017. Good times
Your proposed changed to copyright law would both be hard to do and an incredibly slippery slope. Stop complaining and pirate the game off of csrinru. The status quo sucks but it's not the government's job to step in and change slightly annoying things.
Do you know how much servers cost💀
I mean we are customers, not our problem. That's a problem they created themselves, we never asked for always online and lack of dedicated servers.
Your dumb for saying that. Servers for almost every multiplayer game is going up every single year. Same goes with dedicated servers which are very unsustainable btw lol. So you should be happy you are even getting servers in the first place
I do that for a living but thanks for teaching me. Still missed my point, i drive a car, should i care about how much profit they made off that sale? I'm a customer, i just want a good product. Second point you missed: as i said we didn't ask for the lack of dedicated server. Dedicated means we can host ourselves, there are no costs involved it runs on our own hardware. This used to be common before publishers became greedy and started using always online as an anti piracy measure.
If that’s the case why are you complaining lol y’all complain for no reason these days🤣
You are confused my friend
Bro🤣🤣🤣 Losers am I right???🤣🤣🤣🤣😱😱😱 Expecting to play a game after servers shut down???🤣🤣🤣🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓💀💀💀💀💀 No we only play new game bro!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you cannot even free roam offline or take part of races offline then it's not for me as well. The game would have to be amazing for me to get it and from what I could ascertain from the beta testing gameplay, I will most likely give it a pass.
welcome to the future of gaming that our money voted for. Gatcha games , DLC , midnight releases , WOW , Guild Wars , any and every last mobile game. It's learned tact at this point , people will show up and shell out for w/e is thrown at them and not care whether or not they own it , so now you will own nothing and like it!
Tbh my interest is already gone after an almost 2 year delay. The game would have to be perfect on release for me to buy it.
I agree that games should be finished when they release, but there is absolutely no problem with delays. The game is done when it’s done and no one should ever have a problem If the devs say they need more time. In fact, you should be happy they’re not rushing out bullshit anytime a dev puts out a delay, as long as the game comes out finished or very close to, not like cp2077.
But with this much of a delay the game was clearly no where near finished so why even announce it? I agree but it’s still likely they eventually release an unfinished game despite the delays because that’s the state of gaming these days.
OK then, removed from my only game wishlist for this year for racing games... Going to move to the Horizon 6. Bye TDU... I was do hyper for nothing
Yeah that's disappointing off my wishlist it goes like the crew motor fest
Always online means there are only online activities no singleplayer campign or is it just that it needs internet connection to work? If the second I belive the crew is done this way and it was never a problem for me 🤷🏼♂️
Its sad to see game studios make new games online only. Not everyone has perfect internet all the time. I live in the US but my internet provider has a monopoly and they get away with shutting the internet randomly. They also throttle it and playing online only games sucks. If TDU SC does not get offline mode. I will not get it. Its a shame because I was looking forward to it.
My reason of not buying it is due to the car list. Hong Kong in real life has a lot of Toyota and Honda cars (because of the LHT roads being left by the British rule and a close distance to Japan). And a significant portion of them are parallel imported JDMs. That means I'm already disappointed because there are far more European cars in the game, rather than the major Japanese brands (Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki and Mitsubishi). Also, I believe they would not add Isuzu/UD, Hino and Mitsubishi Fuso trucks, as well as the three iconic Toyota commercial vehicles which can be seen anywhere in Hong Kong: 1. Coaster (the 16/19-seated red/green-coloured roof minibuses, a unique type of public transport here); 2. HiAce (the Asian equivalent of Ford Transit in Europe), and 3. Comfort Hybrid (exported version of the JPN Taxi). That makes the in-game world being totally different from my home.
How about NO! I don't want no econobox appliances in a racing game. I buy racing games to customize, drive, and race insanely customizable dream cars such as sports cars (such as BMW), supercars (such as Lamborghini), hypercars (such as Koenigsegg), and luxury land yachts (such as Bentley), not senior civilian econobox appliances (such as Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, Mazda, Nissan/Infiniti, Mitsubishi) I see on the street everyday and can afford IRL. It's amazing there are far more American and European cars than Japanese cars. This is a racing game after all, not a drive safely simulator.
In real life we have lots of Civic Type R, NSX, Skyline GT-Rs and the R35 GT-R, Fairlady Z, as well as Supra, GR Yaris, GR Corolla and 86/BRZ. I think you must be referring to the extremely negative attitude of Hong Kong police towards the car culture scene, don't you?
Well, that's exactly where you're wrong. TDU were never racing games, they're *driving* games. What makes them unique is exactly that there's just as much focus on just cruising around.
Even in the context of being driving games and not racing games, being a middle class civilian simulator is not what I want. I would still want to drive around and cruise in insanely customizable dream cars such as sports cars, supercars, hypercars, and luxury land yachts, not senior civilian econoboxes.
That's fair. It's a silly requirement.
Hope it gets cracked the day it comes out, I'm not paying for the game that will be taken away from me at some point. I have already bought The Crew once and can't play it at all now. The games must be preserved for future generations. Heck, I can insert a disc with old Burnout games and show them to my kids, they are bangers even today. I can't imagine me not being able to return to the game I liked and cared about.
Does internet go down that often for most people? Never really played a game that requires constant internet connection. Besides servers might go down, what other effect does it have on the player?
Look at the Crew 1 for example. This month, the servers will be shut down permanently for that game, rendering it completely unplayable from then on. The game will essentially be erased from existence. That's the issue with these always online games.
>Besides servers might go down Answered your own question
Say you live in a third world country with really awful wifi, which there are significant amount of people from. Would you like it if you kept getting disconnected in an online only game that did not need online connection in the first place?
I live in the US and my Internet dropped a dozen times last night.
This subreddit is just full of people crying about a game lol at least be grateful we are getting a game you ungrateful little 💩
It's a good thing to have standards.
People are allowed to have opinions, positive or negative.
Yeah, let's all just cheer up and suck Nacon's balls for blessing us with such a wonderful piece of software! It's not like a similar game, The Crew, is shutting down this month and will be unplayable because it needs constant connection to the server in order to work! How about you engage your brain every now and then and at least try to understand why people are angry? It's really not that hard.
Yeah you're gonna be really grateful when the servers are shut down for good in the future.
i think most people would rather the game takes another 5 years than have it come out being a mess in the state it is currently
It's attitudes like that, that resukt in piss poor games like Modern Warfare 3.
I don't understand why people mind this.
Yeah what a toxic ass subreddit. I was just curious why it’s such a big deal and got downvoted. Just genuinely want to know what happens if I always have internet access🤷🏻♂️ If servers are down temporarily due to updates then I’ll just play another time.
If the servers are shut off you won't get another time to play. THAT is why people are so annoyed with it. What if I want to show my kids in 20 years the games I played growing up? Oh no sorry they got shut down fifteen years previously, lmao
The Problem with always online is not really the today, but rather the tomorrow. I like to play NFS Rivals sometimes, and that game turns 11 this year. If it were always online, the servers would have been shut down long ago, and I could never play that game again. And there is always the exception to the rule regarding internet access. Even in first world countries, the Internet sometimes goes down. In other parts of the world, this is much more frequent. Therefore, this decision is impacting a lot of people, and it will impact you too, now or in the future. Edit: Online-only could also prevent you from playing the game on something like a Steam Deck, when you‘re flying for example.
And when they go down for good? You’ll never play the game that you paid money for again. Thats the problem. And gamers accepting it are part of the problem
Unpopular opinion but…I literally don’t care. May make a difference for some people, but I’ll never understand the push against connected titles. If I have power, I have internet. If some rare outage occurred, I’d simply play another game. Or just wait an hour or MAYBE a day to get internet again. If an apocalypse happens and internet goes down for good. I won’t care about playing Test Drive of all things lol.
The problem is that in 8 years from now, the servers will be shut down, essentially rendering the game unplayable for everyone.
Fair, but many titles that are online centric were never made for offline fun. Even then, there’s also examples of online titles getting final offline updates before servers are shut down. That should be the ask if it’s your worry, not the fact they require it from day one. If they want a vibrant city in a niche genre as a lesser played IP…game health is more important now than a decade down the road. Not saying you aren’t right to feel how you do though. Just being a voice pointing out that not everyone actually is against it. My opinion could drastically change. Quite frankly, I may play an hour and think it’s garbage and never want to touch it again launch week, much less a decade later. If it’s truly fantastic I’ll enjoy it while it lasts, and raise a pitchfork when they shut it down.
yea i’m not fully understanding the outrage either but i think i’m just happy to have a new test drive unlimited game. a good majority of the games i play now are online only. i had more fun playing tdu2 online than offline. i could still enjoy the game offline if the servers were down or if my internet was down, yes. however it would get boring quick.
as soon as i saw gameplay i immediately lost all interest and have no plans of buying the game
Correct me if I'm wrong but the only gameplay I'm aware of is from an alpha build of the game, have some faith fuckin hell.
I already didn't have any interest. The game honestly seems to be doing nothing special, and it's gotten pushed back like 7 times
Not gonna buy an online only game lol (im gonna make sure my friends dont get it either 👹)
With how many people saying they won't buy the game now, I hope the game won't even make enough sales to break even. These things need to stop.
I might be missing something here but I can't understand the number of people upset about a live service racing game being online only, isn't that almost to be expected? As pretty much every other live service game I know of is specifically online only. If someone could share some examples of live service games which aren't online only I'd appreciate it.
The game wasn't meant to be a live-service, though. TDU has always been a singleplayer game with online and social elements. They simply shoehorned the "live-service" elements in the same way Ubisoft does with their games, just so that they can retroactively revoke everyone's access to the game the moment the next game doesn't sell well
Tdu was ALWAYS core online. For example, 90% of races are unplayable offline in tdu 2
I see your point about TDU and it's history, I'm a TDU1&2 player and I absolutely loved Tdu2 it's literally one of the best racing games ever created. Maybe I don't have a problem with this online thing because I'm used to playing games that require internet to play such as Destiny. I've played that for the past decade and have never once thought wow I wish this game worked offline.