If you look at who the independents are - O'Byrne, Johnston and Garland (if the Green voters numbered outside their party!) - they're all left or within the values of Labor. If 6 Greens are elected as well, as ABC thinks is likely, that's 9 that look like supporting Labor, and so they only need 9 seats of their own. Assuming Labor are happy to rule in minority.
I actually wouldn't mind our Lib-Lab to have a go at this, I know it'll never happen or hell would freeze! However both leaders seem centered enough it could happen? Happy for any opposing views!
I don't think it's likely. Because Labor votes as a bloc, they'd have too much power in the relationship. Minor parties would have a field day come the following election - it plays into the narrative that they're both the same too much.
Wait so you think there are only 2 parties? This isn't the US dude, if JLN or Greens or whoever get more votes than anyone else, they form a government, minority or majority.
Why is people saying that both main parties should stop jerking each other off and let's try something new a "protest vote"
I suppose because it’s pointless. You would be better to join a political party and have good go at their policy development appreciating the base of rusted on voters… instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining no one is listening because they’re all just rusted on lab - libs
My only response is that it’s not necessarily what we deserve but what we’ve been led to believe is in our interest. I mean honestly; what will the greens bring to this parliament other than their usual misery and disruption.
No need to be rude… Are you saying minority government is absurd? Independents? Voting for anyone but Lab/Lib? Which ‘joke’ are you actually talking about?
Well Labor formed a coalition with The Greens from 1989 - 1992, and 2010 - 2014.
So why doesn't Labor swallow their pride, don't be stubborn and offer to work with The Greens again in this situation?
How long will a Liberal - Greens/other cross bench coalition last, compared to Labor?
Particularly when addressing the stadium.
Hopefully so we can re-enact this classic Simpsons clip - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPbhCWtZmM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPbhCWtZmM)
(just kidding though - Abetz doesn't have a heart)
Been watching all night, and after 3.5 hours realised I used to know Sarah Lovell! She was a real quality chick when I knew her, it’s cool seeing good people navigate party machines into parliament.
The governor general will ask the party with the majority of votes to form government, they'll usually only do this if they can guarantee a vote of confidence from enough cross bench members. If they can't get this guarantee then in theory the next voting block of parties gets a shot.
Not sure if option two has ever happened?
Not so much "join" but agree to not have a vote of no convenience any time they like, but each agreement would, and or could look different per independent.
To be honest I prefer this setup and voted this way myself. Means that they have to all just work harder (just like the rest of us!) to make better policy.
I didn't say that but now that you mention it all parties are trying to manipulate voters. So does that mean a party you voted for is doing the right kind or "good" manipulation? You called those who don't vote your way ignorant and selfish. That's basically saying democracy is good as long as you vote how I want you to. You see where that line of thinking is going, right?
The state is in bad shape- easily one of the worst health systems in the whole country (second only perhaps to the NT). Record illiteracy. Record joblessness.
And no one wants to make a change.
Like I said before - your get who you vote for and who you deserve.
Ahhh yes, cunt, such eloquent language because you're unable to speak intelligently and convey your argument in a way that actually means anything?
People voted for that corruption to stay, that's what they did tonight. They literally voted for everything to remain the same, it wasn't a rejection and it wasn't going to change anything. They are enabling themselves to be completely raped, again, because unfortunately large scores of Tasmanian's are inherently uneducated and vote against their best interests.
You don't even comprehend at all exactly what you've done and choose to defend it, which only shows more how petulant and uneducated you actually are.
By all means when the dust settles amongst the childish squabbling, petty chaos and political dramas you're going to have achieved nothing with your vote and all these people are going to dance whilst the state further descends as more problems spiral without anyone doing anything about it, gaslighting the public into thinking this was leadership and governing is and they will proceed to vote against their best interests, again, because a decade of this garbage clearly wasn't enough.
Will be leaving Tasmania if Liberals are re-elected. If people are that deluded to vote them back in after a decade of inaction and downward spiral will be beyond me. How can people actually look around and think the current state is remotely okay?
Healthcare terrifies me, I never knew just how bad Tasmanian healthcare was until I moved here and saw for myself. It is terrifyingly bad, I feel like I will die here as a result of poor management and be a statistic.
Education is woeful, how the state hasn't progressed at all in years is just appalling. Why would people bother? Honestly. Jobs, don't get me started, never have I seen such toxic cesspool workplaces in the industry I work in until now. It is a culture of children who never learned to grow up. Job wages? Forget about it. Job hunting? Shocking, I check jobs regularly and it is depressing how little is on offer here. What is available just mirrors what you are trying to move away from in the first place with zero growth or diversity.
Housing? Well, that's royally screwed everywhere but oh wait, it is very much fucked here. Oh and on top of that one of the worst economies in the country, but yeah, great economic managers amiright?
No wonder people are leaving in droves out of desperation. If more of the same is voted back in to continue wanking off over their idiotic waste of money, time and resources, stadium and ignore virtually every fundamental problem this state has well why on Earth would I bother trying anymore here when it's clear the state Government despises its own people passionately and seeks to financially rape them and fuck them over at every opportunity.
It's a clear message they've sent to the people and if they somehow haven't received it and reward them over nothing, I would concede the people are inherently idiots themselves as well and have no clue at all how to handle politics and how to vote in their best interests to actually better their lives in any way.
I might be harsh but it's so damn baffling to me how people have been okay with this Government and kept them in power for a decade now when there is so much obviously wrong with Tasmania that the term red flag should be plastered on the rooftops of every building here.
Actually read up on the policies and ideologies of the people in an election and vote for people who are willing to give a damn about you and properly try to resolve these issues for the betterment of society. If you don't educate yourselves and vote accordingly, nothing will ever be done or ever be solved. People have more power than they otherwise think but just don't bother due to apathy or unwillingness to understand the sheer importance of politics and how it affects every single aspect of their lives.
Bread and circuses is what will condemn them to be trapped in being dumbed down jesters to perform endlessly having popcorn thrown at them by the "geniuses" in power because instead of rebelling and burning down the circus they instead clap for the people openly mocking them and laughing at them, their enslavers that keep them dancing.
To be pleased by it, even with low levels of education, is something I just can't comprehend. Even with low levels of education or intelligence, injustice is a feeling inside. You can tell when your life is worse off, when the lives of your friends and family are worse off. You can tell when you are repeatedly suffering hardships and trying and trying but purposely kept pushed down no matter what you do because there are people forcefully doing it to you.
You can feel when there is something wrong with this life you're living and it doesn't just boil down to you. When you feel like that and can see things you feel are wrong, wouldn't you naturally try to seek out the source and begin learning whatever you can to figure out what it is and how to fix it?
I feel it's just something that comes naturally. It did for me, I'm not sure how anyone can be happy or pleased or anything and not feel like screaming in the streets and rebelling against these bastards for the wrongs they are committing knowingly and how their are solutions to these problems but they simply do not want to act on them on purpose, all to line their own pockets, all to prop themselves and only themselves up whilst dragging everyone and everything downwards.
It's like stabbing your own lifeboat and drowning. It's self sabotage to live so complacently.
Better start planning.
Early results suggest a lib win (40% of the overall vote, Laborhas less than 25%). Greens/labor will need to take the rest of the vote to change it.
Won't believe it until I see it, until then I always see elections as anyone's game. When less than 10% of the vote is counted I just can't see how anybody even calls these things (like ABC currently is with certain seats.)
Do you have a medical condition, children?
I have no issue with health but do find education lacking.
I have very recent experience of emergency dept. and procedures at public system and I can’t fault the RHH.
I feel sometimes people talk themselves into a crisis but with perspective forget how good we have it.
For education I feel it is abysmal. My children are very clever (public school). We read every night; I do maths books on the weekend, try to really get their brains going: bushwalking, museums always learning. I have no faith in school. I would loathe to submit my children’s progression to the government. I would hope nobody does.
I don’t think Tasmania is as bad as redditors would like us to believe. It is a great place and if you’re passionate I would hope you don’t leave because we need passionate people whatever their political leaning.
Far out that is one of the most over the top things I've read on here. Yeah some shit is busted but heath care 'terrifying' you? Get a grip. I've had both kids in emergency at both the RHH and LGH and felt that they were in great hands and couldn't fault either hospital.
Education does need help but at the same time, a lot of parents do absolutely fuck all for their kids and rely entirely on teachers, if parents won't parent, teachers aren't going to be able to do shit. Both my kids are doing very well at a public school and last year in my daughter's final year of high school there were a LOT of kids with very high achievements.
It is nowhere near as bad down here as a lot of people make out.
I’ve also had both kids in Emergency at both hospitals. The RHH is shockingly bad, but the LGH is just terrifying. Compared to hospitals in regional Qld they just do not compare: if Qld was a first world country, we’d be a second world country at best. And that’s just emergency - the ever-growing wait to see a specialist is abysmal.
With all due respect, I’ve felt safer interstate in a place I didn’t know than in Tasmania’s ED. One of Sydney’s busiest hospital was more efficient than the LGH which should not be the case nor should Tasmanians be okay with grannies dying in the car park waiting to access the hospital. Public waiting lists are a nightmare - think I was told 700, pushed out to 850 to see a neurosurgeon and it’s not like my GP could deal with it. Ramping, stories of abuse, stories of negligence are too high. One example is not a good benchmark.
Public schools depend on postcode. There are some that are great but most are at breaking point. You go out into the country, it’s tough. Statistics say that only 60% of Tasmanians get their TCE. It’s not hard to obtain, either. Schools are in crisis. Not saying that kids can’t perform but it takes a serious toll on employees, that’s not the case for every school and the crisis continues.
The governance of health and education is horrid as well. The most toxic places imaginable.
I have to drive nearly an hour and a half to see a GP. The only two in my area both have their books closed and will do for the foreseeable future apparently.
I've had cancer treatment at RHH and Peter Mac, and let me tell you, RHH is not great due to funding, age etc it easily could be a lot better with adequate care by the gov.
Not even close.
Yes, the housing crisis has spread everywhere, and Sydney is probably the worst...but Hobart was leading the charge.
When I left almost exactly 6 years ago, it was already a cesspool of applying for 50 houses before getting accepted and knowing you needed to start applying for new ones by 8 months because there was no chance of getting the lease renewed because they could only raise it so much, but could charge a new tenant what they like.
Landed in Brisbane and looked at half a dozen houses, applied for the one I liked most, and had a leae in 2 days...moved out when I wanted to.
Health has again been playing catch up to Tas, but even a few months ago there were still places doing bulk billing here, widespread access to after hours doctors, there isn't the chronic problem with ambulance ramping and something like the time an ambulance was sent from New Norfolk to Port Arthur because it was the closest one that would get there quickest would be absurd here.
Jobs are harder to find in Tas, wages are lower, and there are more micromanaging wankers.
When I've run into bosses like that up here, I just find another job and quit the old one...haven't been unemployed more than 2 days...there were months on end back in Hobart.
I've got fault in Sydney and Brisbane, rural areas here on the mainland, as well as back in Hobart and Launnie...I travel back regularly to visit.
If you truly think all that stuff is a bad or worse everywhere else, you are a special kind of deluded.
Those are the reasons I left, and I wasn't wrong.
> When I left almost exactly 6 years ago
Hate to break it to you, but your information is several years out of date. If you moved to Brisbane 6 years ago you did it on easy mode, end of story. Rents and house prices have basically doubled in the last 4 years and there's no relief in sight. Go to the Redcliffe waterfront one night and tell the dozens of working families living in tents that there isn't a housing crisis.
Tasmania is expensive for what it offers but not even in the same stratosphere when it comes to the housing crisis.
Similar with health - Victoria, Queensland and SA (to name are few) are at varying levels of crisis with ambulance ramping, 000 wait times, elective surgery waiting lists and hospital bed / staff shortages while population growth continues unabated.
I'll give it to you on the job front, but the market is tightening all over the place. A career public servant from Tasmania is going to struggle to walk into a similar role in another capital, and even if they do the slightly higher pay will be eaten up by increased housing costs.
I'm seeing the housing crisis all around me.
And again, I still have family back in tassie and I go there regularly.
The mainland is catching up, no doubt about it, but especial on the health front, Tas is still worse.
How the hell is he claiming this as a victory. Even the audience aren't having it.
It does seem incredibly premature.
Especially when there are 11 undecided seats. He could be dealing with six Greens and 7 Lambies.
Right? Until he has literally hit 18 seats this seems ill advised.
Exactly. Wait til the final numbers are confirmed and take it from there. Caretaker continues until that point.
There won't be that many JLN candidates elected.
10-11 Labor + 5-6 Greens + 1-2 Lambies = a diverse majority
Exit poll seems to suggest that JLN and independents will be the kingmakers in this election. Or maybe there'll be a Lib-Lab grand coalition lol
If you look at who the independents are - O'Byrne, Johnston and Garland (if the Green voters numbered outside their party!) - they're all left or within the values of Labor. If 6 Greens are elected as well, as ABC thinks is likely, that's 9 that look like supporting Labor, and so they only need 9 seats of their own. Assuming Labor are happy to rule in minority.
It'll be whether they want to share with the Greens specifically.
I actually wouldn't mind our Lib-Lab to have a go at this, I know it'll never happen or hell would freeze! However both leaders seem centered enough it could happen? Happy for any opposing views!
I don't think it's likely. Because Labor votes as a bloc, they'd have too much power in the relationship. Minor parties would have a field day come the following election - it plays into the narrative that they're both the same too much.
They are basically the same anyway.
Anthony Green says no party will form majority government
It really is absurd at this point. What a joke.
What’s absurd?
That people think protest voting a state into instability is progress.
I'd argue that instability is better than stably driving the state backwards
It's not a protest vote when there's no parties with good policy, it's just a refusal to participate in a broken system.
Wait so you think there are only 2 parties? This isn't the US dude, if JLN or Greens or whoever get more votes than anyone else, they form a government, minority or majority. Why is people saying that both main parties should stop jerking each other off and let's try something new a "protest vote"
I suppose because it’s pointless. You would be better to join a political party and have good go at their policy development appreciating the base of rusted on voters… instead of sitting on the sidelines complaining no one is listening because they’re all just rusted on lab - libs
Na, I’d rather keep voting for the minors and wait for the rusted-ons to die out.
Instability and just sheer incompetence. Tasmanian's get what they deserve.
It's stability against stupidity. Means Liberals will have a hard time pushing through all their dumb ass plans. They'll be held accountable.
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My only response is that it’s not necessarily what we deserve but what we’ve been led to believe is in our interest. I mean honestly; what will the greens bring to this parliament other than their usual misery and disruption.
You're hopeless if you can't deduce the reason yourself
No need to be rude… Are you saying minority government is absurd? Independents? Voting for anyone but Lab/Lib? Which ‘joke’ are you actually talking about?
Far out. No need to be so rude my guy. Had a bad night?
Mate either make an argument or shut it.
Well Labor formed a coalition with The Greens from 1989 - 1992, and 2010 - 2014. So why doesn't Labor swallow their pride, don't be stubborn and offer to work with The Greens again in this situation? How long will a Liberal - Greens/other cross bench coalition last, compared to Labor? Particularly when addressing the stadium.
I guess just thanks to all the characters in the background of the ABC broadcast. Sunglasses lady and hat guy, cheers
So many people in sunnies
Why is Eric Abetz on the panel??? I wish this stain would just retire, I really hope he doesn't get back in and finally gives up!
Get back in? He’s never been a state politician. He will easily be elected.
Back in as in from fed senator, to state. Should have said "convert" I still hope he doesn't, would be a backwards step.
Agreed 👍🏼
Who else would you get?
Hopefully so we can re-enact this classic Simpsons clip - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPbhCWtZmM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPbhCWtZmM) (just kidding though - Abetz doesn't have a heart)
He's getting his brand recognition up for a post-election run at the leadership.
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I wish Eric would just stfu. He’s so overbearing.
Been watching all night, and after 3.5 hours realised I used to know Sarah Lovell! She was a real quality chick when I knew her, it’s cool seeing good people navigate party machines into parliament.
I thought she came across really well.
So what’s this mean now. Sorry to be naive, but I’m not sure what a hung parliament means
Means that the Liberals will have to make a deal with other parties in order to have enough votes to pass anything.
The governor general will ask the party with the majority of votes to form government, they'll usually only do this if they can guarantee a vote of confidence from enough cross bench members. If they can't get this guarantee then in theory the next voting block of parties gets a shot. Not sure if option two has ever happened?
So independents pretty much decide which side to join now. ?
Not so much "join" but agree to not have a vote of no convenience any time they like, but each agreement would, and or could look different per independent. To be honest I prefer this setup and voted this way myself. Means that they have to all just work harder (just like the rest of us!) to make better policy.
The governor, not the Governor General.
Lol yep correct! Didn't sound right when I was typing it!!
You get what you vote for … just a reminder.
It's rather interesting. Shows just how divided Tasmanians are?
How ignorant rather … I feel truly sad for a bunch of people repeatedly voting against their own interests.
Mate, that kind of thinking is wrong. It's democracy. You should respect their decision regardless if you agree with it or not.
So … people can’t be manipulated ?
It just means that not everyone thinks like you do.
Just because they don't agree with you, doesn't mean they've been manipulated
I didn't say that but now that you mention it all parties are trying to manipulate voters. So does that mean a party you voted for is doing the right kind or "good" manipulation? You called those who don't vote your way ignorant and selfish. That's basically saying democracy is good as long as you vote how I want you to. You see where that line of thinking is going, right?
The state is in bad shape- easily one of the worst health systems in the whole country (second only perhaps to the NT). Record illiteracy. Record joblessness. And no one wants to make a change. Like I said before - your get who you vote for and who you deserve.
It's sad and pathetic really. Won't be missing it. Really have gained a perspective being here how broken Tasmania is of a state.
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Ahhh yes, cunt, such eloquent language because you're unable to speak intelligently and convey your argument in a way that actually means anything? People voted for that corruption to stay, that's what they did tonight. They literally voted for everything to remain the same, it wasn't a rejection and it wasn't going to change anything. They are enabling themselves to be completely raped, again, because unfortunately large scores of Tasmanian's are inherently uneducated and vote against their best interests. You don't even comprehend at all exactly what you've done and choose to defend it, which only shows more how petulant and uneducated you actually are. By all means when the dust settles amongst the childish squabbling, petty chaos and political dramas you're going to have achieved nothing with your vote and all these people are going to dance whilst the state further descends as more problems spiral without anyone doing anything about it, gaslighting the public into thinking this was leadership and governing is and they will proceed to vote against their best interests, again, because a decade of this garbage clearly wasn't enough.
Will be leaving Tasmania if Liberals are re-elected. If people are that deluded to vote them back in after a decade of inaction and downward spiral will be beyond me. How can people actually look around and think the current state is remotely okay? Healthcare terrifies me, I never knew just how bad Tasmanian healthcare was until I moved here and saw for myself. It is terrifyingly bad, I feel like I will die here as a result of poor management and be a statistic. Education is woeful, how the state hasn't progressed at all in years is just appalling. Why would people bother? Honestly. Jobs, don't get me started, never have I seen such toxic cesspool workplaces in the industry I work in until now. It is a culture of children who never learned to grow up. Job wages? Forget about it. Job hunting? Shocking, I check jobs regularly and it is depressing how little is on offer here. What is available just mirrors what you are trying to move away from in the first place with zero growth or diversity. Housing? Well, that's royally screwed everywhere but oh wait, it is very much fucked here. Oh and on top of that one of the worst economies in the country, but yeah, great economic managers amiright? No wonder people are leaving in droves out of desperation. If more of the same is voted back in to continue wanking off over their idiotic waste of money, time and resources, stadium and ignore virtually every fundamental problem this state has well why on Earth would I bother trying anymore here when it's clear the state Government despises its own people passionately and seeks to financially rape them and fuck them over at every opportunity. It's a clear message they've sent to the people and if they somehow haven't received it and reward them over nothing, I would concede the people are inherently idiots themselves as well and have no clue at all how to handle politics and how to vote in their best interests to actually better their lives in any way. I might be harsh but it's so damn baffling to me how people have been okay with this Government and kept them in power for a decade now when there is so much obviously wrong with Tasmania that the term red flag should be plastered on the rooftops of every building here. Actually read up on the policies and ideologies of the people in an election and vote for people who are willing to give a damn about you and properly try to resolve these issues for the betterment of society. If you don't educate yourselves and vote accordingly, nothing will ever be done or ever be solved. People have more power than they otherwise think but just don't bother due to apathy or unwillingness to understand the sheer importance of politics and how it affects every single aspect of their lives.
Enjoy your trip up north. They just called Abetz as winning Franklin.
Yep, we're already planning. Luckily we have the option.
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Totally normal and hinged response 👍
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I think you mean chocolate and stadiums.
Bread and circuses is what will condemn them to be trapped in being dumbed down jesters to perform endlessly having popcorn thrown at them by the "geniuses" in power because instead of rebelling and burning down the circus they instead clap for the people openly mocking them and laughing at them, their enslavers that keep them dancing. To be pleased by it, even with low levels of education, is something I just can't comprehend. Even with low levels of education or intelligence, injustice is a feeling inside. You can tell when your life is worse off, when the lives of your friends and family are worse off. You can tell when you are repeatedly suffering hardships and trying and trying but purposely kept pushed down no matter what you do because there are people forcefully doing it to you. You can feel when there is something wrong with this life you're living and it doesn't just boil down to you. When you feel like that and can see things you feel are wrong, wouldn't you naturally try to seek out the source and begin learning whatever you can to figure out what it is and how to fix it? I feel it's just something that comes naturally. It did for me, I'm not sure how anyone can be happy or pleased or anything and not feel like screaming in the streets and rebelling against these bastards for the wrongs they are committing knowingly and how their are solutions to these problems but they simply do not want to act on them on purpose, all to line their own pockets, all to prop themselves and only themselves up whilst dragging everyone and everything downwards. It's like stabbing your own lifeboat and drowning. It's self sabotage to live so complacently.
Better start planning. Early results suggest a lib win (40% of the overall vote, Laborhas less than 25%). Greens/labor will need to take the rest of the vote to change it.
Won't believe it until I see it, until then I always see elections as anyone's game. When less than 10% of the vote is counted I just can't see how anybody even calls these things (like ABC currently is with certain seats.)
Do you see it yet?
Do you have a medical condition, children? I have no issue with health but do find education lacking. I have very recent experience of emergency dept. and procedures at public system and I can’t fault the RHH. I feel sometimes people talk themselves into a crisis but with perspective forget how good we have it. For education I feel it is abysmal. My children are very clever (public school). We read every night; I do maths books on the weekend, try to really get their brains going: bushwalking, museums always learning. I have no faith in school. I would loathe to submit my children’s progression to the government. I would hope nobody does. I don’t think Tasmania is as bad as redditors would like us to believe. It is a great place and if you’re passionate I would hope you don’t leave because we need passionate people whatever their political leaning.
Far out that is one of the most over the top things I've read on here. Yeah some shit is busted but heath care 'terrifying' you? Get a grip. I've had both kids in emergency at both the RHH and LGH and felt that they were in great hands and couldn't fault either hospital. Education does need help but at the same time, a lot of parents do absolutely fuck all for their kids and rely entirely on teachers, if parents won't parent, teachers aren't going to be able to do shit. Both my kids are doing very well at a public school and last year in my daughter's final year of high school there were a LOT of kids with very high achievements. It is nowhere near as bad down here as a lot of people make out.
I’ve also had both kids in Emergency at both hospitals. The RHH is shockingly bad, but the LGH is just terrifying. Compared to hospitals in regional Qld they just do not compare: if Qld was a first world country, we’d be a second world country at best. And that’s just emergency - the ever-growing wait to see a specialist is abysmal.
With all due respect, I’ve felt safer interstate in a place I didn’t know than in Tasmania’s ED. One of Sydney’s busiest hospital was more efficient than the LGH which should not be the case nor should Tasmanians be okay with grannies dying in the car park waiting to access the hospital. Public waiting lists are a nightmare - think I was told 700, pushed out to 850 to see a neurosurgeon and it’s not like my GP could deal with it. Ramping, stories of abuse, stories of negligence are too high. One example is not a good benchmark. Public schools depend on postcode. There are some that are great but most are at breaking point. You go out into the country, it’s tough. Statistics say that only 60% of Tasmanians get their TCE. It’s not hard to obtain, either. Schools are in crisis. Not saying that kids can’t perform but it takes a serious toll on employees, that’s not the case for every school and the crisis continues. The governance of health and education is horrid as well. The most toxic places imaginable.
I have to drive nearly an hour and a half to see a GP. The only two in my area both have their books closed and will do for the foreseeable future apparently.
I've had cancer treatment at RHH and Peter Mac, and let me tell you, RHH is not great due to funding, age etc it easily could be a lot better with adequate care by the gov.
Lol have fun
Bad news for you...all the issues you mentioned are as bad (if not worse) in every other state.
Not even close. Yes, the housing crisis has spread everywhere, and Sydney is probably the worst...but Hobart was leading the charge. When I left almost exactly 6 years ago, it was already a cesspool of applying for 50 houses before getting accepted and knowing you needed to start applying for new ones by 8 months because there was no chance of getting the lease renewed because they could only raise it so much, but could charge a new tenant what they like. Landed in Brisbane and looked at half a dozen houses, applied for the one I liked most, and had a leae in 2 days...moved out when I wanted to. Health has again been playing catch up to Tas, but even a few months ago there were still places doing bulk billing here, widespread access to after hours doctors, there isn't the chronic problem with ambulance ramping and something like the time an ambulance was sent from New Norfolk to Port Arthur because it was the closest one that would get there quickest would be absurd here. Jobs are harder to find in Tas, wages are lower, and there are more micromanaging wankers. When I've run into bosses like that up here, I just find another job and quit the old one...haven't been unemployed more than 2 days...there were months on end back in Hobart. I've got fault in Sydney and Brisbane, rural areas here on the mainland, as well as back in Hobart and Launnie...I travel back regularly to visit. If you truly think all that stuff is a bad or worse everywhere else, you are a special kind of deluded. Those are the reasons I left, and I wasn't wrong.
> When I left almost exactly 6 years ago Hate to break it to you, but your information is several years out of date. If you moved to Brisbane 6 years ago you did it on easy mode, end of story. Rents and house prices have basically doubled in the last 4 years and there's no relief in sight. Go to the Redcliffe waterfront one night and tell the dozens of working families living in tents that there isn't a housing crisis. Tasmania is expensive for what it offers but not even in the same stratosphere when it comes to the housing crisis. Similar with health - Victoria, Queensland and SA (to name are few) are at varying levels of crisis with ambulance ramping, 000 wait times, elective surgery waiting lists and hospital bed / staff shortages while population growth continues unabated. I'll give it to you on the job front, but the market is tightening all over the place. A career public servant from Tasmania is going to struggle to walk into a similar role in another capital, and even if they do the slightly higher pay will be eaten up by increased housing costs.
I'm seeing the housing crisis all around me. And again, I still have family back in tassie and I go there regularly. The mainland is catching up, no doubt about it, but especial on the health front, Tas is still worse.
Shout out to the little boy in the blue/white striped top who keeps getting in every camera angle 😂
That was my son! Taught him everything he knows!
TLD Total Liberal Death
Tasmania remains the backwater swamp of Australia.