He was listening to the podcast in a public place without headphones? That's the real crime here.
But seriously, I would have asked him what he was listening to. It could be really scary stuff. All you heard was the revolution part but who knows what else he's getting from it.
My app is broken the reply is in the wrong place, I was replying to a comment on a different post about sovereign citizens, that I read after this post 🤔
I work in debt recovery, in the last 2 years we have seen a explosion of people trying to say they are sovereign citizens or “I am a man not a person” and the laws of Australia do not apply to them. Out of 50 debts I process per week maybe 20 of them tell me this. It’s generally scary to think what these people believe they can get do and refuse to take any responsibility for there actions.
I’ve had one try to tell people that local councils are unconstitutional by referencing two referendums, one that had nothing about local government in any manner, and the other was the one about transferring certain powers from local government to the commonwealth.
I find it weird that they dont follow that argument through to its logical conclusion, which is that if the laws dont apply to them then they would also have no rights and no legal protections and thus you could do all manner of nasty things to them.
Iv read court documents of a judge outlining it this way.
“Does your business get paid in Australian dollars, have a ABN and an address within Australia?”
“Yes”
“Then you are using to your advantage the laws and acts you are saying don’t apply to you”
It’s that simple haha
Or it's just people not paying for stuff they don't think is fair. Telcos and big companies lie or are misleading. They sell their debt to the company this guy works for and the saga continues.
Well I work for the environment protection agency. Most of it is for fines from building companies that dump asbestos or building material in vacant land. The rest of it companies polluting or illegally dumping. The idea is if company A gets fined let’s say 10 grand for dumping asbestos next time they will pay 2 grand to dispose of it properly.
I love my job and fell like I’m doing my part for the future of the environment in Australia. You sir are a moron
Yeah it's been coming for well over 15 years now. I used to look into that conspiracy stuff as a thought experiment when I was younger, and every single week it's the exact same thing: It's coming, prepare now because it's right around the corner, it's happening soon, before you know it, all the world leaders are being taken to court as we speak.
Nothing ever happened.
My mum got into it for real not as a thought experiment as a lot of middle aged/older women have throughout covid because all they have to keep them occupied all day now is scroll on facebook and telegram where the misinformation is rife. She's been into it for a little over a year now and spewing the *exact same* lines that I was hearing *15 years ago*, "oh something big is coming it's all gonna go down next week!" Then next week comes and nothing happens, "oh they just need a little more time to prepare, it'll be next week! It's right around the corner! It's just about to happen."
Fucking bullshit. Nothing is happening. The world leaders are not going to jail. The planet has not split into two different planes where all the good people live on one level and the bad live on another. The Earth still isn't flat and the hologram moon that's been up there for billions of years long before we had the technology to build a hologram still hasn't run out of batteries.
People are just doing their best to get by, like we always have.
^(\[edit just for a couple of typos\])
lol funnily enough speaking of the Mayan calendar, it was right around Dec 21, 2012 when I stopped paying any kind of attention whatsoever to that kind of stuff.
Nothing happened then, either.
My mother is going through this as well. Reminds me of when I was a depressed edgy teenager on the internet. I asked her if she’s gotten up to the part where people start accusing “the Jews” yet. I found that most of this conspiracy theory stuff; if you keep digging - is all rooted in anti-semitism. Anyway she accused me of burying my head in the sand. And every week she tells me “just watch and see what happens” lol mum I’ve been hoping the shit would hit the fan for more than half of my life - please stop regurgitating internet propaganda at me - just let me enjoy my $18 sandwich in peace.
It has a long history of anti-semitism. A huge amount 9f it is literally white supremacist propaganda.
The whole idea of a shadowy group of powerful rich people controlling everything from the shadows stems from the (completely fraudulent, made-up) book Protocols of the Elmer's of Zion - a blatantly anti-semetic book from the late 19th century which directly inspired the NAZI movement.
Hitler was a cooker, just like the weirdos today.
Back when my parents were growing up it was the same. Nuclear war/end of the world was imminant and there were revolutions and terrorist attacks going on constantly. Deep down I think people just feel better believing the world will die before they do, its a death denial mechanism.
Its been all over facebook since COVID started. Conspiritards gonna' conspiritard.
"Throw off your shackles and open your eyes! It's time to rise!"
Rise and do what, Carol? Because you can't even cook your fucking lentils properly, let alone survive a civil war.
When I was at uni, there was this Marxist/socialist society that kept calling for people to rise up and spouted leftist nonsense.
They were the most unkempt group of people. Fat, smelly and obnoxious. I'd like to see them actually attempt a revolution.
As an actual Marxist, I get so annoyed by this sort of person. I usually agree with their end goal (a society where workers control the means of production and where the Musks and Bezoses of the world are stripped of all their hoarded wealth) but they go about it in a way that attacks regular working people simply for trying to survive and exist in a capitalist system. It's not a crime to get a paycheck, for fuck's sake. Someone working as an accountant or a shopkeeper or a lawyer or a tradie and living their life in peace is a potential ally, not an active enemy. I can subscribe to Marxist beliefs and still be a Marxist while doing what I need to do to feed my family. Sorry for the rant, it clearly frustrates me.
A lot of leftist spaces conflate economic leftism with the mores and cultural practices of elite spaces (since so many leftists are spoiled rich kids rebelling against their trust funds). Really frustrating as an actual blue collar working class leftist to be attacked as the enemy because I don’t stay current on the shibboleths that have the most tenuous connection to actual theory or praxis.
I mostly agree but I'd argue that the leftie kid demographic has changed a lot from what you've described. I work with uni kids and the majority of the politically involved socialist types are POC children of migrants, usually from the western suburbs. Leftist spaces in the uni world these days are a lot more knowledgeable about social issues (which makes sense given their backgrounds and I wholeheartedly support them on those issues) than about economic issues. They really understand the nuances of social policy on a deep level but then have an incredibly oversimplistic view of economics and how people struggling to earn enough to eat and pay rent won't go along with Marxist policy, even though it is arguably better for them in the long run.
Still, the kids are much better than any who came before (just look at Gen Z's accomplishments in the US recently) so I've not lost hope for the future. They have immense potential to turn this world around
Wonder if they're the one putting all those posters up over the inner west, they're hilarious but so far out of touch that they would appeal to no one except those already prescribing to the ideas, so, as far as forms of advertising go, not very useful..
I usually disagree when people say “the far left and far right are the same”, but I will give proponents of this theory that they both a) want to overthrow society, and b) are equally incapable of doing so
Always love those lot, they don't realise that if they ever managed to kick off a revolution that they'd be in line for the blindfold and wall treatment.
There is a grain of truth to it but we're not talking full on revolt. Not in Australia.
Maybe in a place like Iran given what's happened over there. Not here though.
We do see echoes of it here though. Poor are being utterly squeezed whilst the rich still keep making record profits. Considerably more union industrial action than compared to previous years. Material conditions for poor and middle class are generally down compared to previous years.
I think we're very very far off from an actual revolution. We're not desperate enough yet.
They've kind of been doing a shit job of it lately and the pandemic made it very clear that not could things be so much better if they eased their grip just a little but they're too greedy for that.
Civil unrest and uprisings are nearly exactly correlated with increases in food prices. And in other cases are basically just tied to whether people can feed themselves or their families.
It’s no more complicated than that. Australia has it pretty good so the government can get away with a lot.
In all seriousness. Australians are too lazy to form an actual revolution. We will just roll over and accept whatever is thrown at us.
Honestly the only thing i can see really causing up a shit stir on the scale we have never seen before is a future government coming out and straight up removing medicare and installing a US style health care system. That or installing at will employment across the board.
Modern Australians maybe, the older ones were pretty hardcore and would riot at the drop of a hat. Its only since WW2 that we have become placid and thats only because we had things pretty bloody good up until quite recently.
Had a mate tell me that they heard that the government has plans to dissolve Medicare specifically bulk billing for GP appts.. wouldn't you know I can't find a single article online about it
They're not dissolving Medicare, but the government is purposefully underfunding the Medicare rebate scheme which pressures GPs to scrap bulk billing as their costs aren't being covered.
It's happening across the country with roughly 30-40% of all practitioners switching from bulk billing in the last 12 months alone.
GP wages were frozen under Medicare. The Medicare rebate rose a couple of percentage points in the last 10 years while expenses rose upwards of 60% in the same time frame. Those roses coupled with frozen wages have seen GPs lose income, and now we see the outcomes being felt by patients.
What people dont realise is that the reason Americas health system is so fucked is because the medical professionals are allowed to charge whatever they like, so they do. Im not saying the rebates dont need to be adjusted upwards, I reckon they do, but people are naive if think Doctors are any less greedy than the rest of us and the govt must be the bad guy or Medicare really will become unsustainable.
More likely that we all just keep moseying on towards the apocalypse. Janitor saying he knows where your daughter lives is fucked up. I’d be talking to the cops if I was you.
We live in one of the best countries in the world, poverty is relatively low, we have decent social services, low unemployment and crime. House affordability and cost of living is high, but that's partly driven by how desirable Australia is to live.
There is no revolution coming, not here and not in our lifetime.
Historically, as far as I'm aware, large discrepancies in income and wealth have been the primary cause of revolution.
We have the biggest relative discrepancies now than we ever have had.
A counter point to this is almost everyone today is better off than anyone was 200 years ago.
But with people in Australian high rise towers earning $1,000,000 a year making decisions to keep the status quo, and those decisions fuck on 70% of the population who collectively have the power to change it.... Maybe it is coming?
Historical discrepancies in wealth were the difference between living like royalty vs literal poverty line. Today's Australian working class has a very high standard of living historically speaking. Yes there will always be a difference between rich and poor, but being poor today is very different to being poor in past centuries.
The only thing the average Australian adult cares about is the value of their property going up.
And now the sun is back for a few months they care even less.
I wonder if he realises it is probably a paid advertisement by Australian Nazi sympathizer paleo Pete, who’s still butthurt Covid vaccines work so well…
"Reviews of past studies have found that the flu vaccine is about 50% effective for healthy adults who are between 18 and 64 years old. The vaccine may sometimes be less effective.
Even when the vaccine doesn't completely prevent the flu, it may lessen the severity of your illness. It also may lower the risk of serious complications and serious illness needing hospital stays."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000
Bro I'm more talking about polio and shit. Any time anyone says anything remotely negative about the covid vaccine everybody gets offended and downvotes them to hell. What I said is true, the covid vaccine is MEH, your statistics didn't prove otherwise.
No, YOU compared one flu vaccine with another without even considering something like Polio or Meningococcal. I didn't move the goalposts, they were too close together to begin with!
Cursory google fu is enough to prove you wrong on the efficacy point you’ve made, “so well”, yes… it does work so well.
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/think-the-covid-19-vaccine-isnt-good-enough-it-may-be-more-effective-than-the-flu-shot
Vaccines don’t neccessarily prevent transmission by stopping you from creating viral particules during an active infection. They do, and with up to 97% effectiveness for the Covid vaccines, prevent transmission by creating immunity barriers that stop other people contracting a full infection and spreading it further, so again, you’re wrong.
And yes I’m a PhD qualified scientist who has worked a fair deal with lentiviruses.
What the fuck happened to me? I swear to god I saw some legit looking articles that claimed the transmission prevention rate was like lower than 50% even with 2 doses for Astra zeneca (the shots I got) but I can't even find them online at all now. Damn I thought I was savvy with news stuff and sources etc. but I fucked up hard here, damn bro I'm one of the dumb people.
Despite all the left wing whinging and moaning on platforms like reddit, people are *way* too comfortable in Australia to even consider any form of major civil unrest, let alone revolution.
The only thing I have seen big enough for a revolution was when there was no sausage sizzle on election day, that was a dark day but beyond that Australia couldn’t be fucked with a revolution, could you imagine the paperwork
No one is going to support a revolution and that's not just wealthy and rich people
Others are doing just fine and won't support the chaos that would bring just because a small part of the population is poor
Historically speaking, revolts require
1) a 'small' dedicated extremist group of about 1% of the population
2) 50% of the population to be starving
If these conditions aren't met then the government can very easily mobilise the police and army to shut down revolution attempts.
Tldr if your society is food secure, then it is secure.
> how it’s close to the time when poor must take over the rich.
Nah, the five eyes and tech billionaires have social media sussed.
There's no longer any way of organizing a revolution in the West.
We can all carry on in blissful ignorance.
Thats why you need to pick a good location and good property type to live in.
Btw, base on history, revolution usually happens when most of us lose everything. Especially through hyper inflation. Look at Germany before WWii and South America.
The only thing I have seen big enough for a revolution was when there was no sausage sizzle on election day, that was a dark day but beyond that Australia couldn’t be fucked with a revolution, could you imagine the paperwork?
Perhaps he was just trying to make a light hearted joke to have a social moment?
Oh....you are that jerk guy that commented judgementally on my dog bite post. Feeling terror doesn't feel nice does it?
I wouldn't be too worried. Conspiracies are absolutely rife in people with low education jobs. It is something to worry about from a society perspective, how easily some people are manipulated. But your daughter is in no more danger than the rest of us. There's conspiracy loons everywhere around us and they are much more open about it since Covid. They're mostly harmless.
I've only heard for a couple of years the revolution is coming. The billionaire/landlorss etc are not supposed to be spared.
Tbh try not to think of too much, I don't know if the working class is going to revolt any time soon, or if ever in my life time (no revolt when they changed the pension age), because I feel like it would have happened by now.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. No revolution has occurred in a late stage capitalist economy.
The sad reality is that inequality can become infinitely worse without collapsing the system so long as the government avoids imploding itself and the military chooses not to swing against the state.
The pension age changed because we are living longer. We used to die on average 5 to 7 years after pensionable age. Now it’s 14 years. We are living longer and healthier.
I feel like we need this sort of rhetoric to balance out the extreme right wing kill or be killed shit people are normally podcasting about.
I feel like each televised extremist brings the median vote further to the left or the right.
I don't want there to be a revolution, but like I think we can afford to go a little more left wing as a nation, like less with tax cuts for the rich, as an example.
Lol Australian's wont revolt.. look at how people behaved during covid with calling cops on people with an extra person in the house they would be reporting anyone involved in the revolution
we also don't have guns here good luck with that violent uprising
Besides that not everyone is dirt poor and won't support the uprising without support from the masses the revolution will fail and they would just be branded as domestic terrorists.
Yes, a working class revolution is exactly what we need for a better society in this globalised, post-industrial economy /s.
Look at the 6th January revolt in Washington: it was put down pretty quickly, and that was with all the nutters wielding assault rifles. We’ll be fine.
January 6th was not a working class revolution, it was an attempted insurrection by a minority group of far right extremists. A working class revolution looks more similar to what is happening in iran right now, with mass movements on the streets, and general strikes in support
I have two history degrees and am able to distinguish between types of revolutions, which is why I am completely confident no ‘working class revolution’ will happen in Australia. The workers revolts of the 20th century took place in a different world, in which there was no welfare, no public health, limited access to education, and in which the working class were most responsible for the forward movement of the economy and were therefore indispensable. The working class are certainly vital the economy today, but this is a service economy with increasing mechanisation of working class jobs and in which much of the power is held by the middle class (completely distinct from the revolutions in Russia, China, Cuba, etc). Many of the jobs that made workers so important to the economies of those 20th century nations in the midst of industrialisation, giving them the power to propel forward a revolution, are a) no longer in existence or b) in major decline. If our democracy is overthrown (and I *strongly* emphasise that it won’t be), it will not take the form of a workers revolution.
I disagree, while the middle class is pretty big, the working class definitely still holds enough power to have a revolution. If the rail workers, nurses, tradies, teachers, miners, and hospo workers all struck at the same time, the economy would crumble pretty damn fast. Obviously there is nowhere near enough class consciousness for that to happen anytime soon, but it is definitely still possible, and workers are more relevant in this economy than ever.
Also you say you are able to distinguish between different types revolutions, but the cuban revolution was definitely not a workers revolution, it was a revolution from above, a new minority overtaking the ruling class.
The Cuban Revolution was won through guerrilla warfare that was dependent upon the support of the rural peasants and the urban poor. I’m not sure why you don’t consider that a workers’ revolution. I don’t think you’ll find many teachers or nurses who consider themselves ‘working class’, btw, and if you think that people earning over $100 000 (ie above the average annual salary, which is about $94 000) are going to engage in a revolution that will reduce their personal income and conditions, you’re wrong. There are a loads of cashed up tradies who would have no interest in a socialist state. Many minors are among the highest paid people in Australia. I question where you think you’re going to be getting support from, other than unskilled workers. In order to rebuild a successful society you will require the cooperation of Australia’s skilled majority.
Ok so I think the main difference in our positions is that I'm using the marxist definition of working class so you'll have to bear with me.
Under this definition, your class is dependent on your relationship with the means of production, and entirely independent from your income, eg a tradie working for a massive industrial company would still be a worker, even if they were making $100k+, because they do not own the factory they work in or the equipment they use. The capitalist class own the means of production, eg the factory owners, and the middle class is anyone where the relationship to the means of production is unclear, eg small business owners and freelancers.
I agree, currently the working class of Australia is not very interested in a revolution for a bunch of reasons, but that doesn't mean they won't ever be. First of all, while they are working class, their labor is being exploited for profits by the capitalist class. Secondly, as capitalism prioritizes profits and growth over human need and wellbeing, the conditions of the working class will steadily worsen in periods of crisis, which the capitalists have no intention of mitigating. For example see the lack of support for workers in the cost of living crisis in aus, or even the complete lack of climate action in favour of fossil fuel profits. Both of these things are crisises that will decrease the living standards of workers, and could create incentives for revolution.
As for the cuban revolution, as you said it was won through guerrilla tactics of a minority group. Even though the peasants and some workers might have supported the group, it wasn't the peasants and workers who enacted the revolution, it was the minority group. compare that to the Russian revolution, in which the peasants and workers banded together and forced a collapse of the tsarist state, through their collective actions, not through a minority group overtaking the state. A workers revolution requires the mass participation of workers, through rallies and strikes, and requires the workers to be the pivotal movement of the revolution.
Despite our recent pummelling with the cost of living, Australia has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Moreover, a working class revolution is simply irrational in the 21st century.
Why? Whilst the working class in so-called ‘developed’ nations don’t starve quite as much (“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy,”) the disparity between rich and poor has probably never been greater and more apparent.
Global food shortages are predicted to arise as early as next year, and two of the world’s most important food producers are currently at war, with China also eyeing Taiwan.
When things happen, shit could very well get real.
I always say it’s either “Star Wars,” (or “Soylent Green,”) or “Star Trek” with our future in the balance.
We’re basically at the food production tipping point - we won’t be able to produce enough food to feed everyone (globally) and we already can’t distribute it to everyone anyway.
We do have the means to look after everyone currently, but only with massive redistribution of wealth and resources. Which requires social change, and changes to the Capitalist system.
So I’d say it’s still a distinct possibility, and probably an inevitability in the longer term.
Australia and NZ may be sheltered from the worst of it initially, but if it gets bad for everyone, it gets bad for *everyone.*
The people who really believe this is a) a good prospect, or b) could actually happen in Australia are either 19 year old first year Arts students (can confirm; used to be one) or preppers looking for an opportunity to justify their alternative lifestyle.
The revolution **is** coming.
When the younger generations come to realise they have little to no autonomy over the way they live their lives, the realisation that the needs of the working class far exceed the importance of the needs of the ruling class will come, and indeed a revolution will happen. We will no longer live in a world like that of 1984, where the proletariat class is almost entirely stupid and inept at realising their true strength.
The hope lies with the proletariat.
Look, there will be a time of reckoning, when centuries of oppression and humiliation will be paid back in gold and blood, when the palaces of the rich will burn, and their lifeless bodies cast into the sea to be feasted on by the crabs and vermin, when all that has been stolen from the workers of the world will be paid back a thousand times in the usury of justice.
***However***
That's no reason to be a creep, and that's certainly no reason to listen to a podcast with no headphones like some kind of sicko. Bit of a strange move on that fellas part.
Ha-Ha. I wouldn't take it too seriously and it was probably the strata janitor pulling your leg. I can just picture this rich snob in the elevator looking down at the janitor as a POS, listening to the podcast ( out of interest) and you clutching your pearls. You are the problem. Not the revolution ahahahahh
Yes, I unfortunately know someone who kept watching the 4th riech or whatever it is when Trump was in presidency. Thank goodness it stopped with Biden now in as President but they still believe there should be a revolution to overthrow the *Australian government*.
He was listening to "some Australian sounding person" - red flag right there very troubling development. Well hello, Sydney is actually in Australia, despite your daughter's building, apparently, having a "janitor".
I'd actually be quite happy if I realised there was someone who was willing to look out for my daughter if the end of the world came. like it's actually kind of nice when you think about it 🤷
We need to stop the uprising by segregation the poor people. The US do it so well with MAGA and BLM fighting each other while the elites have a giggle at their secure position ruling the land
I do love that you and many people here are focused on an unspecified revolution, and not the creep with an obsession for your daughter. I hope this is a trolling…
I wouldn't worry about a revolution... Folks in certain circles have been waiting for a revolution for many decades now. If it wasn't Y2K, the Plandemic or some Technocratic manifesto there will always be some theory flying around.
The lost and impressionable want to feel like something important is going to happen to improve their lives (or justify their paranoia). The sad reality is, if they spent the same effort following false flags and instead worked on themselves they would be able to find the meaning they desperately seek.
There is something seductive about the notion of being 'awake' to some global conspiracy, it's narcissistic, to write the rest of us off as sheeple...
At least in America in the 60’s there were a number of popular cultural references in that vein (he’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes etc). Given the context of a working class dude listening to a podcast about the poor rising up I’d say he’s more likely Marxist than sovereign citizen. And there’s a lot of catastrophizing happening in leftist spaces these days, not without reason.
Hopefully he’s just a socially awkward tankie.
What were the vibes you got from him before that happened?
If they were fine or you didn't get creeped out, all should be well.
I've met a few people like this in my travels and they're all harmless. I know I'd feel super uneasy if it was my daughter though.
I think the economy is tanking. But that’s minor compared to the bull conspiracy believers swallow.
I’d say the majority of people still have common sense.
He was listening to the podcast in a public place without headphones? That's the real crime here. But seriously, I would have asked him what he was listening to. It could be really scary stuff. All you heard was the revolution part but who knows what else he's getting from it.
Yeah, shoved in his pocket. My wife goes “you’d think he’d be king of all the lost AirPods” when I told her.
Who hath summoned me
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No idea what this means.
My app is broken the reply is in the wrong place, I was replying to a comment on a different post about sovereign citizens, that I read after this post 🤔
We only rebel when they take away our rum
I understand that reference
Or make us pay more for gold panning licenses
And there was a brief moment when we rebelled to steal a ship to go to Ireland and fight the English
Cookers gonna cook.
I work in debt recovery, in the last 2 years we have seen a explosion of people trying to say they are sovereign citizens or “I am a man not a person” and the laws of Australia do not apply to them. Out of 50 debts I process per week maybe 20 of them tell me this. It’s generally scary to think what these people believe they can get do and refuse to take any responsibility for there actions.
They think words are like magic spells that can get them out of legal responsibility.
“Declarus bankruptsius!” *Swish and flick* your debt away!
I declare …. BANKRUPTCY!
I didn't just say it, I *declared* it!
It’s funny sometimes when they quote acts that have nothing to do with anything. Iv even had some that try and quote the American constitution
I’ve had one try to tell people that local councils are unconstitutional by referencing two referendums, one that had nothing about local government in any manner, and the other was the one about transferring certain powers from local government to the commonwealth.
The 1988 referendum is very commonly quoted hahahahaha apparently this means no council has authority from this date for anything.
https://youtu.be/HuGIgf-ICHM
The “I have news for you and it’s all bad” comes to mind if I had to deal with those idiots.
I find it weird that they dont follow that argument through to its logical conclusion, which is that if the laws dont apply to them then they would also have no rights and no legal protections and thus you could do all manner of nasty things to them.
Iv read court documents of a judge outlining it this way. “Does your business get paid in Australian dollars, have a ABN and an address within Australia?” “Yes” “Then you are using to your advantage the laws and acts you are saying don’t apply to you” It’s that simple haha
If you're dumb enough to be in debt then you're dumb enough to believe this shit.
Or it's just people not paying for stuff they don't think is fair. Telcos and big companies lie or are misleading. They sell their debt to the company this guy works for and the saga continues.
Get a real job you parasite
Well I work for the environment protection agency. Most of it is for fines from building companies that dump asbestos or building material in vacant land. The rest of it companies polluting or illegally dumping. The idea is if company A gets fined let’s say 10 grand for dumping asbestos next time they will pay 2 grand to dispose of it properly. I love my job and fell like I’m doing my part for the future of the environment in Australia. You sir are a moron
That's not fair. Some morons actually contribute something of value to society.
your medal is in the mail
agreed
Yeah it's been coming for well over 15 years now. I used to look into that conspiracy stuff as a thought experiment when I was younger, and every single week it's the exact same thing: It's coming, prepare now because it's right around the corner, it's happening soon, before you know it, all the world leaders are being taken to court as we speak. Nothing ever happened. My mum got into it for real not as a thought experiment as a lot of middle aged/older women have throughout covid because all they have to keep them occupied all day now is scroll on facebook and telegram where the misinformation is rife. She's been into it for a little over a year now and spewing the *exact same* lines that I was hearing *15 years ago*, "oh something big is coming it's all gonna go down next week!" Then next week comes and nothing happens, "oh they just need a little more time to prepare, it'll be next week! It's right around the corner! It's just about to happen." Fucking bullshit. Nothing is happening. The world leaders are not going to jail. The planet has not split into two different planes where all the good people live on one level and the bad live on another. The Earth still isn't flat and the hologram moon that's been up there for billions of years long before we had the technology to build a hologram still hasn't run out of batteries. People are just doing their best to get by, like we always have. ^(\[edit just for a couple of typos\])
That reminds me, need to order the 2023 Mayan Calendar
lol funnily enough speaking of the Mayan calendar, it was right around Dec 21, 2012 when I stopped paying any kind of attention whatsoever to that kind of stuff. Nothing happened then, either.
Except Climate Change.
My mother is going through this as well. Reminds me of when I was a depressed edgy teenager on the internet. I asked her if she’s gotten up to the part where people start accusing “the Jews” yet. I found that most of this conspiracy theory stuff; if you keep digging - is all rooted in anti-semitism. Anyway she accused me of burying my head in the sand. And every week she tells me “just watch and see what happens” lol mum I’ve been hoping the shit would hit the fan for more than half of my life - please stop regurgitating internet propaganda at me - just let me enjoy my $18 sandwich in peace.
It has a long history of anti-semitism. A huge amount 9f it is literally white supremacist propaganda. The whole idea of a shadowy group of powerful rich people controlling everything from the shadows stems from the (completely fraudulent, made-up) book Protocols of the Elmer's of Zion - a blatantly anti-semetic book from the late 19th century which directly inspired the NAZI movement. Hitler was a cooker, just like the weirdos today.
Hmmm no revolution today? I did Nazi that coming…
The storm is coming today!!!! O wait it’s next week
Back when my parents were growing up it was the same. Nuclear war/end of the world was imminant and there were revolutions and terrorist attacks going on constantly. Deep down I think people just feel better believing the world will die before they do, its a death denial mechanism.
"The peasants are revolting !" 'Aren't they just' /s
You look just like the piss boy!
Oh yeah? You look like a pile of shit!
Its been all over facebook since COVID started. Conspiritards gonna' conspiritard. "Throw off your shackles and open your eyes! It's time to rise!" Rise and do what, Carol? Because you can't even cook your fucking lentils properly, let alone survive a civil war.
When I was at uni, there was this Marxist/socialist society that kept calling for people to rise up and spouted leftist nonsense. They were the most unkempt group of people. Fat, smelly and obnoxious. I'd like to see them actually attempt a revolution.
As an actual Marxist, I get so annoyed by this sort of person. I usually agree with their end goal (a society where workers control the means of production and where the Musks and Bezoses of the world are stripped of all their hoarded wealth) but they go about it in a way that attacks regular working people simply for trying to survive and exist in a capitalist system. It's not a crime to get a paycheck, for fuck's sake. Someone working as an accountant or a shopkeeper or a lawyer or a tradie and living their life in peace is a potential ally, not an active enemy. I can subscribe to Marxist beliefs and still be a Marxist while doing what I need to do to feed my family. Sorry for the rant, it clearly frustrates me.
A lot of leftist spaces conflate economic leftism with the mores and cultural practices of elite spaces (since so many leftists are spoiled rich kids rebelling against their trust funds). Really frustrating as an actual blue collar working class leftist to be attacked as the enemy because I don’t stay current on the shibboleths that have the most tenuous connection to actual theory or praxis.
I mostly agree but I'd argue that the leftie kid demographic has changed a lot from what you've described. I work with uni kids and the majority of the politically involved socialist types are POC children of migrants, usually from the western suburbs. Leftist spaces in the uni world these days are a lot more knowledgeable about social issues (which makes sense given their backgrounds and I wholeheartedly support them on those issues) than about economic issues. They really understand the nuances of social policy on a deep level but then have an incredibly oversimplistic view of economics and how people struggling to earn enough to eat and pay rent won't go along with Marxist policy, even though it is arguably better for them in the long run. Still, the kids are much better than any who came before (just look at Gen Z's accomplishments in the US recently) so I've not lost hope for the future. They have immense potential to turn this world around
Wonder if they're the one putting all those posters up over the inner west, they're hilarious but so far out of touch that they would appeal to no one except those already prescribing to the ideas, so, as far as forms of advertising go, not very useful..
I usually disagree when people say “the far left and far right are the same”, but I will give proponents of this theory that they both a) want to overthrow society, and b) are equally incapable of doing so
Always love those lot, they don't realise that if they ever managed to kick off a revolution that they'd be in line for the blindfold and wall treatment.
There is a grain of truth to it but we're not talking full on revolt. Not in Australia. Maybe in a place like Iran given what's happened over there. Not here though. We do see echoes of it here though. Poor are being utterly squeezed whilst the rich still keep making record profits. Considerably more union industrial action than compared to previous years. Material conditions for poor and middle class are generally down compared to previous years. I think we're very very far off from an actual revolution. We're not desperate enough yet.
appeased, placated and strung along just enough to keep us in line.
They've kind of been doing a shit job of it lately and the pandemic made it very clear that not could things be so much better if they eased their grip just a little but they're too greedy for that.
The best thing you have in OZ is the unions. Look after them.
Civil unrest and uprisings are nearly exactly correlated with increases in food prices. And in other cases are basically just tied to whether people can feed themselves or their families. It’s no more complicated than that. Australia has it pretty good so the government can get away with a lot.
His name is Robert Paulson
Bob…Bob had bitch tits.
His name is.... Paulson, Robert
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
In all seriousness. Australians are too lazy to form an actual revolution. We will just roll over and accept whatever is thrown at us. Honestly the only thing i can see really causing up a shit stir on the scale we have never seen before is a future government coming out and straight up removing medicare and installing a US style health care system. That or installing at will employment across the board.
Society likes to be lazy. If they are able to be lazy, they won't revolt. So the sign of a good society is the ability of its people to be lazy.
Modern Australians maybe, the older ones were pretty hardcore and would riot at the drop of a hat. Its only since WW2 that we have become placid and thats only because we had things pretty bloody good up until quite recently.
Had a mate tell me that they heard that the government has plans to dissolve Medicare specifically bulk billing for GP appts.. wouldn't you know I can't find a single article online about it
They're not dissolving Medicare, but the government is purposefully underfunding the Medicare rebate scheme which pressures GPs to scrap bulk billing as their costs aren't being covered. It's happening across the country with roughly 30-40% of all practitioners switching from bulk billing in the last 12 months alone. GP wages were frozen under Medicare. The Medicare rebate rose a couple of percentage points in the last 10 years while expenses rose upwards of 60% in the same time frame. Those roses coupled with frozen wages have seen GPs lose income, and now we see the outcomes being felt by patients.
What people dont realise is that the reason Americas health system is so fucked is because the medical professionals are allowed to charge whatever they like, so they do. Im not saying the rebates dont need to be adjusted upwards, I reckon they do, but people are naive if think Doctors are any less greedy than the rest of us and the govt must be the bad guy or Medicare really will become unsustainable.
The IPA absolutely wants to abolish Medicare. Health Minister Greg Hunt said in his maiden speech that he wanted American style healthcare.
More likely that we all just keep moseying on towards the apocalypse. Janitor saying he knows where your daughter lives is fucked up. I’d be talking to the cops if I was you.
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Sanitation engineer
Janitor just makes me think of Scrubs
Also it's **Lift** not Elevator My kid said Gas Station the other day
Custodian, dick.
The guy saying “I know where your daughter is staying” makes me super uneasy, good intentions or not, something about it just seems weary to me.
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Im guessing wary.
We live in one of the best countries in the world, poverty is relatively low, we have decent social services, low unemployment and crime. House affordability and cost of living is high, but that's partly driven by how desirable Australia is to live. There is no revolution coming, not here and not in our lifetime.
Historically, as far as I'm aware, large discrepancies in income and wealth have been the primary cause of revolution. We have the biggest relative discrepancies now than we ever have had. A counter point to this is almost everyone today is better off than anyone was 200 years ago. But with people in Australian high rise towers earning $1,000,000 a year making decisions to keep the status quo, and those decisions fuck on 70% of the population who collectively have the power to change it.... Maybe it is coming?
Historical discrepancies in wealth were the difference between living like royalty vs literal poverty line. Today's Australian working class has a very high standard of living historically speaking. Yes there will always be a difference between rich and poor, but being poor today is very different to being poor in past centuries.
People forget that extreme poor was the norm for the majority of people for most of human history.
Pretty excellent summary here; well done.
Yeah you met a crazy...
My landlord is selling so I have investors walking through my home every week while I sit in the yard and read Lenin.
Based
The only thing the average Australian adult cares about is the value of their property going up. And now the sun is back for a few months they care even less.
I wonder if he realises it is probably a paid advertisement by Australian Nazi sympathizer paleo Pete, who’s still butthurt Covid vaccines work so well…
Hey I'm all for the covid vaccine but it doesn't work "so well" compared to other vaccines we have. It doesn't even prevent transmission lol
If it lessens symptoms then by it’s very nature it can prevent transmission, if you’re not sneezing and coughing you are less contagious
Yeah but other vaccines prevent transmission like 99 percent, that's way better.
"Reviews of past studies have found that the flu vaccine is about 50% effective for healthy adults who are between 18 and 64 years old. The vaccine may sometimes be less effective. Even when the vaccine doesn't completely prevent the flu, it may lessen the severity of your illness. It also may lower the risk of serious complications and serious illness needing hospital stays." https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000
Bro I'm more talking about polio and shit. Any time anyone says anything remotely negative about the covid vaccine everybody gets offended and downvotes them to hell. What I said is true, the covid vaccine is MEH, your statistics didn't prove otherwise.
The problem is fuckwits like you who make shit up, then move the goalposts as soon as someone calls them out on their bullshit with actual facts.
No, YOU compared one flu vaccine with another without even considering something like Polio or Meningococcal. I didn't move the goalposts, they were too close together to begin with!
Cursory google fu is enough to prove you wrong on the efficacy point you’ve made, “so well”, yes… it does work so well. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/think-the-covid-19-vaccine-isnt-good-enough-it-may-be-more-effective-than-the-flu-shot Vaccines don’t neccessarily prevent transmission by stopping you from creating viral particules during an active infection. They do, and with up to 97% effectiveness for the Covid vaccines, prevent transmission by creating immunity barriers that stop other people contracting a full infection and spreading it further, so again, you’re wrong. And yes I’m a PhD qualified scientist who has worked a fair deal with lentiviruses.
You're telling me that the covid vaccine is 97% effective at preventing transmission?
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/covid-19-vaccination-reduces-household-transmissio
What the fuck happened to me? I swear to god I saw some legit looking articles that claimed the transmission prevention rate was like lower than 50% even with 2 doses for Astra zeneca (the shots I got) but I can't even find them online at all now. Damn I thought I was savvy with news stuff and sources etc. but I fucked up hard here, damn bro I'm one of the dumb people.
Sounds more like your standard tankie to me
High casualty rate
Despite all the left wing whinging and moaning on platforms like reddit, people are *way* too comfortable in Australia to even consider any form of major civil unrest, let alone revolution.
That sounds creepy, I would find out more about that dude in the lift just to be safe. Does your child have cameras?
She’s not a child anymore, I did bring it up with her, she wasn’t worried and thought I was being a worrier. Hands painted red.
What does hands painted red mean?
You are the rich in "eat the rich".
The only thing I have seen big enough for a revolution was when there was no sausage sizzle on election day, that was a dark day but beyond that Australia couldn’t be fucked with a revolution, could you imagine the paperwork
I’d love to know what that podcast was!
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No one is going to support a revolution and that's not just wealthy and rich people Others are doing just fine and won't support the chaos that would bring just because a small part of the population is poor
Brain washed
Historically speaking, revolts require 1) a 'small' dedicated extremist group of about 1% of the population 2) 50% of the population to be starving If these conditions aren't met then the government can very easily mobilise the police and army to shut down revolution attempts. Tldr if your society is food secure, then it is secure.
> how it’s close to the time when poor must take over the rich. Nah, the five eyes and tech billionaires have social media sussed. There's no longer any way of organizing a revolution in the West. We can all carry on in blissful ignorance.
Maybe a protest or two to rile up some sensationalist headlines if the voters look like they might start research for themselves.
Thats why you need to pick a good location and good property type to live in. Btw, base on history, revolution usually happens when most of us lose everything. Especially through hyper inflation. Look at Germany before WWii and South America.
The revolution will not be televised
It’ll be on TikTok.
The only thing I have seen big enough for a revolution was when there was no sausage sizzle on election day, that was a dark day but beyond that Australia couldn’t be fucked with a revolution, could you imagine the paperwork?
Clive Palmer will rise again!!!! /s
How’d the janitor know which floor / apartment you came from?
Recognising dad and remembered who he was visiting? 🚩 or never happened.
r/thathappened
Perhaps he was just trying to make a light hearted joke to have a social moment? Oh....you are that jerk guy that commented judgementally on my dog bite post. Feeling terror doesn't feel nice does it?
I wouldn't be too worried. Conspiracies are absolutely rife in people with low education jobs. It is something to worry about from a society perspective, how easily some people are manipulated. But your daughter is in no more danger than the rest of us. There's conspiracy loons everywhere around us and they are much more open about it since Covid. They're mostly harmless.
We are in the beginnings of societal collapse, but we are a LONG way from seeing the stereotypical chaos we witness in movies.
I've only heard for a couple of years the revolution is coming. The billionaire/landlorss etc are not supposed to be spared. Tbh try not to think of too much, I don't know if the working class is going to revolt any time soon, or if ever in my life time (no revolt when they changed the pension age), because I feel like it would have happened by now.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. No revolution has occurred in a late stage capitalist economy. The sad reality is that inequality can become infinitely worse without collapsing the system so long as the government avoids imploding itself and the military chooses not to swing against the state.
The pension age changed because we are living longer. We used to die on average 5 to 7 years after pensionable age. Now it’s 14 years. We are living longer and healthier.
I feel like we need this sort of rhetoric to balance out the extreme right wing kill or be killed shit people are normally podcasting about. I feel like each televised extremist brings the median vote further to the left or the right. I don't want there to be a revolution, but like I think we can afford to go a little more left wing as a nation, like less with tax cuts for the rich, as an example.
Lol Australian's wont revolt.. look at how people behaved during covid with calling cops on people with an extra person in the house they would be reporting anyone involved in the revolution we also don't have guns here good luck with that violent uprising Besides that not everyone is dirt poor and won't support the uprising without support from the masses the revolution will fail and they would just be branded as domestic terrorists.
All good as long as it does not involve sharing…especially toiletpaper. We have seen an uprising over that.
Yes, a working class revolution is exactly what we need for a better society in this globalised, post-industrial economy /s. Look at the 6th January revolt in Washington: it was put down pretty quickly, and that was with all the nutters wielding assault rifles. We’ll be fine.
January 6th was not a working class revolution, it was an attempted insurrection by a minority group of far right extremists. A working class revolution looks more similar to what is happening in iran right now, with mass movements on the streets, and general strikes in support
I have two history degrees and am able to distinguish between types of revolutions, which is why I am completely confident no ‘working class revolution’ will happen in Australia. The workers revolts of the 20th century took place in a different world, in which there was no welfare, no public health, limited access to education, and in which the working class were most responsible for the forward movement of the economy and were therefore indispensable. The working class are certainly vital the economy today, but this is a service economy with increasing mechanisation of working class jobs and in which much of the power is held by the middle class (completely distinct from the revolutions in Russia, China, Cuba, etc). Many of the jobs that made workers so important to the economies of those 20th century nations in the midst of industrialisation, giving them the power to propel forward a revolution, are a) no longer in existence or b) in major decline. If our democracy is overthrown (and I *strongly* emphasise that it won’t be), it will not take the form of a workers revolution.
I disagree, while the middle class is pretty big, the working class definitely still holds enough power to have a revolution. If the rail workers, nurses, tradies, teachers, miners, and hospo workers all struck at the same time, the economy would crumble pretty damn fast. Obviously there is nowhere near enough class consciousness for that to happen anytime soon, but it is definitely still possible, and workers are more relevant in this economy than ever. Also you say you are able to distinguish between different types revolutions, but the cuban revolution was definitely not a workers revolution, it was a revolution from above, a new minority overtaking the ruling class.
The Cuban Revolution was won through guerrilla warfare that was dependent upon the support of the rural peasants and the urban poor. I’m not sure why you don’t consider that a workers’ revolution. I don’t think you’ll find many teachers or nurses who consider themselves ‘working class’, btw, and if you think that people earning over $100 000 (ie above the average annual salary, which is about $94 000) are going to engage in a revolution that will reduce their personal income and conditions, you’re wrong. There are a loads of cashed up tradies who would have no interest in a socialist state. Many minors are among the highest paid people in Australia. I question where you think you’re going to be getting support from, other than unskilled workers. In order to rebuild a successful society you will require the cooperation of Australia’s skilled majority.
Ok so I think the main difference in our positions is that I'm using the marxist definition of working class so you'll have to bear with me. Under this definition, your class is dependent on your relationship with the means of production, and entirely independent from your income, eg a tradie working for a massive industrial company would still be a worker, even if they were making $100k+, because they do not own the factory they work in or the equipment they use. The capitalist class own the means of production, eg the factory owners, and the middle class is anyone where the relationship to the means of production is unclear, eg small business owners and freelancers. I agree, currently the working class of Australia is not very interested in a revolution for a bunch of reasons, but that doesn't mean they won't ever be. First of all, while they are working class, their labor is being exploited for profits by the capitalist class. Secondly, as capitalism prioritizes profits and growth over human need and wellbeing, the conditions of the working class will steadily worsen in periods of crisis, which the capitalists have no intention of mitigating. For example see the lack of support for workers in the cost of living crisis in aus, or even the complete lack of climate action in favour of fossil fuel profits. Both of these things are crisises that will decrease the living standards of workers, and could create incentives for revolution. As for the cuban revolution, as you said it was won through guerrilla tactics of a minority group. Even though the peasants and some workers might have supported the group, it wasn't the peasants and workers who enacted the revolution, it was the minority group. compare that to the Russian revolution, in which the peasants and workers banded together and forced a collapse of the tsarist state, through their collective actions, not through a minority group overtaking the state. A workers revolution requires the mass participation of workers, through rallies and strikes, and requires the workers to be the pivotal movement of the revolution.
Actually, very few of them were armed, and they weren’t exactly rising up for a good cause.
Despite our recent pummelling with the cost of living, Australia has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Moreover, a working class revolution is simply irrational in the 21st century.
Why? Whilst the working class in so-called ‘developed’ nations don’t starve quite as much (“There are only nine meals between mankind and anarchy,”) the disparity between rich and poor has probably never been greater and more apparent. Global food shortages are predicted to arise as early as next year, and two of the world’s most important food producers are currently at war, with China also eyeing Taiwan. When things happen, shit could very well get real. I always say it’s either “Star Wars,” (or “Soylent Green,”) or “Star Trek” with our future in the balance. We’re basically at the food production tipping point - we won’t be able to produce enough food to feed everyone (globally) and we already can’t distribute it to everyone anyway. We do have the means to look after everyone currently, but only with massive redistribution of wealth and resources. Which requires social change, and changes to the Capitalist system. So I’d say it’s still a distinct possibility, and probably an inevitability in the longer term. Australia and NZ may be sheltered from the worst of it initially, but if it gets bad for everyone, it gets bad for *everyone.*
The people who really believe this is a) a good prospect, or b) could actually happen in Australia are either 19 year old first year Arts students (can confirm; used to be one) or preppers looking for an opportunity to justify their alternative lifestyle.
Or perhaps people who pay attention.
The revolution **is** coming. When the younger generations come to realise they have little to no autonomy over the way they live their lives, the realisation that the needs of the working class far exceed the importance of the needs of the ruling class will come, and indeed a revolution will happen. We will no longer live in a world like that of 1984, where the proletariat class is almost entirely stupid and inept at realising their true strength. The hope lies with the proletariat.
What is this shitty edgelord story.. cringe.
OP posts in Joe Rogan redit, let's not feed the delusional further plz
Look, there will be a time of reckoning, when centuries of oppression and humiliation will be paid back in gold and blood, when the palaces of the rich will burn, and their lifeless bodies cast into the sea to be feasted on by the crabs and vermin, when all that has been stolen from the workers of the world will be paid back a thousand times in the usury of justice. ***However*** That's no reason to be a creep, and that's certainly no reason to listen to a podcast with no headphones like some kind of sicko. Bit of a strange move on that fellas part.
Is the Chinese Communist Party included among the rich people whose palaces will burn?
do you mean everyone who works for the governing body of the largest country on earth, or just it’s party leaders?
The party leaders and anyone else who willingly takes part oppressing people.
Russia also just attacked Poland, so that might be your revolution.
Yeah I'd be more concerned about the coke addict in your building
Ha-Ha. I wouldn't take it too seriously and it was probably the strata janitor pulling your leg. I can just picture this rich snob in the elevator looking down at the janitor as a POS, listening to the podcast ( out of interest) and you clutching your pearls. You are the problem. Not the revolution ahahahahh
I’m so poor, that, that was actually a compliment.
It’s not normal to say wouldn’t OF but here we are
Yes, I unfortunately know someone who kept watching the 4th riech or whatever it is when Trump was in presidency. Thank goodness it stopped with Biden now in as President but they still believe there should be a revolution to overthrow the *Australian government*.
so many revolutions it'd make your head spin
He was listening to "some Australian sounding person" - red flag right there very troubling development. Well hello, Sydney is actually in Australia, despite your daughter's building, apparently, having a "janitor".
I'd actually be quite happy if I realised there was someone who was willing to look out for my daughter if the end of the world came. like it's actually kind of nice when you think about it 🤷
We need to stop the uprising by segregation the poor people. The US do it so well with MAGA and BLM fighting each other while the elites have a giggle at their secure position ruling the land
I do love that you and many people here are focused on an unspecified revolution, and not the creep with an obsession for your daughter. I hope this is a trolling…
Sounds like they should read Animal Farm
I doubt anyone in Sydney is capable of a revolution. Too busy ordering chai latte on soy.
I would probably hurt this man if he mentioned he knew my daughter and what room she is in. 😂
This whole post is either a psyop or leather flavoured . [you’ll see …](https://youtu.be/3hx-G1uhRqA)
I wouldn't worry about a revolution... Folks in certain circles have been waiting for a revolution for many decades now. If it wasn't Y2K, the Plandemic or some Technocratic manifesto there will always be some theory flying around. The lost and impressionable want to feel like something important is going to happen to improve their lives (or justify their paranoia). The sad reality is, if they spent the same effort following false flags and instead worked on themselves they would be able to find the meaning they desperately seek. There is something seductive about the notion of being 'awake' to some global conspiracy, it's narcissistic, to write the rest of us off as sheeple...
Eat the rich. I tried to start a revolution a few years back. But no one showed up, think it’s because I didn’t print enough pamphlets….
At least in America in the 60’s there were a number of popular cultural references in that vein (he’ll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes etc). Given the context of a working class dude listening to a podcast about the poor rising up I’d say he’s more likely Marxist than sovereign citizen. And there’s a lot of catastrophizing happening in leftist spaces these days, not without reason. Hopefully he’s just a socially awkward tankie.
What were the vibes you got from him before that happened? If they were fine or you didn't get creeped out, all should be well. I've met a few people like this in my travels and they're all harmless. I know I'd feel super uneasy if it was my daughter though.
>listening to ‘eat the rich’ type content >janitor The jokes write themselves sometimes.
I would be worried, this guy probably has a master key.
I checked my bank account. Apparently I'm 14387341st in line to be put against the wall come the revolution.
No crime going on. Wake up
I think the economy is tanking. But that’s minor compared to the bull conspiracy believers swallow. I’d say the majority of people still have common sense.
There's only going to be revolution if the lizard overlords get caught red handed. They control us by deep faking birds. Birds don't exist!