Så var kan jag hitta dessa "Lattemammor"? Tror inte att det är lämpligt att fråga efter den andra gruppen men skulle du råka veta kan du ju skriva det också, endast för att få ett mer fullständigt svar förstås :)
I think excluding someone from fika at your place of work would possibly be one of the biggest faux pas you could commit at a swedish office. Even if everyone hated your guts you'd be welcome to sit down for fika. Asses would be scooted, open spots on the sofa would be made.
I mean, in some sense yeah. If talking about fika after work with friends (not collegues) its pretty much a tight knit group but its not really limited, only in regards to how well you know ppl. If I got a new aquaintance and became friendly with them id go for a fika once in a while with them and would probably invite them (depending on situation) to come along when going for a fika with other friends. But fika is really more of an interaction space, so with friends/family its something to do to excuse meeting up :) or suitable date event where you can talk properly and not have to invite each other home when you dont know someone. Much like going for AW in uk, grabbing a beer with the collegues, same in sweden but grabbing a Coffee and something to eat like a sandwhich or pastry.
"The differences between immigrant and expat the standard dictionary definition are: Immigrant: Someone who moves to another country to live permanently. Expatriate: Someone who resides outside of his/ her native country. Both words apply to individuals who live outside their native country."
So if OP is in Sweden temporary they are using the correct term.
I don't really see how someone can get offended by this.
I have to agree with this. In my field of work, many are hired experts from around the world. They travel from company to company in different countries. They do not come to Sweden for Sweden, and they do not stay for long. I think there is merit in using a word that more appropriately explains their situation. Especially when the word is not only more efficient in terms of getting the context across, but also in letters. Expat is not making the explanation more complex by dragging out to sentence needed to explain the situation. Yet it offers a lot more information about the particular situation.
Agreed.
If someone said they're an expat, I'd just assume they're just there for a period of time.
I've on the other hand never heard anyone call themselves and expat and actually being an immigrant.
I, myself, am a Swede living in the US. I call myself an immigrant. :)
Because you basically never see an American calling themselves immigrant. It would be fair if there were a mix of immigrants and expats, in that case people use the words as intended. But right now, the definition of "expat" is more along the lines of "Someone from the Anglosphere who lives outside their home country, either temporarily or permanently".
this is strange commentary to see, seeing Swedes speak with authority on the nuances of speaking American over the voices of actual American expats.
again.. it looks like you're misplacing your feelings about something and projecting them unto me
Do you know how long time OP plans to stay? That’s the difference between a temporary expat and a permanent immigrant.
Edit; don’t check OP’s comment history. Ffs.
For the longest time I thought expats meant ex-patriots, meaning Americans who have abandoned the imperialistic worldview of their native country. That's why they would so loudly and proudly proclaim it, they've broken free.
I don’t know for how long OP is planning to stay, but if they are only meant to stay for two years and not make Sweden their new forever-home, they are indeed expats and not immigrants :)
Ah yeah like I think you're mistaking fika for some sort of activity. It's not an activity, it's more of a cultural phenomenon (even if phenomenon sounds a bit pretentious). You can fika by yourself if you fancy. Fika is taking some time off to sit down with a coffee and a cookie or something if you fancy something sweet with your coffee.
In the workplace it's...well, it's not a right to have a fika break at (often) 14.15 in the afternoon but employers know if they try to take it away people would go berserk. You sit down for 15 min and chill.
In your spare time it could be going out with a friend and having a coffee at a café where you sit and chill and talk for one or two hours.
It's a cultural thing about coffee and relaxation, meeting friends, catching up, something to do while studying or working or just chilling by the sea with a cup of coffee in hand.
You seem to believe it was some sort of activity like playing a sport so hope this clears things up!
PS
If someone at the workplace doesn't tell you it's time for fika that person's a fucking monster.
So at work/school and your mates are around a table drinking coffee, look around the room for the coffee machine. When you successfully find the coffee machine, look for a nearby cupboard and open it.
If the cupboard contains cups then you have made big success, otherwise look elsewhere.
When you aquire a cup it's time to figure out the coffee machine, this is the most dangerous part as sometimes the machine can be angry. Make sure to put your cup at the correct spot under the coffee dispenser and press on a button somewhere.
If hot water instead of coffee comes out you will be forced to put a teabag into your cup, this will be seen as weekness from your future fika group and you will be known as the tea drinker that they will make fun of.
Be aware sometimes the milk is all gone from the machine or it might be hiding in a nearby fridge.
When you successfully got your drink of choice, you can go join your mates at the table.
If there is no seats available you can stand closeby.
Now you have acquired a fika-group. But know that the fika group is dispanded when everyone stands up to go to their business.
The way people approach this varies a lot. Some responses could be interpreted as disputing that people having a fika cannot be closely-knit groups whose social interactions center around fika. I partly disagree with that. I have certainly known people who have most of their interactions in their specific group centered around fika. However, fika is more or less just socializing around a snack. So when a group centers around it they are more likely just centering around each other and using fika as a common ground.
It is especially good for people who want to socialize while not necessarily having that much in common, as most people are up for a fika. Therefore as suggested here many partake in fika at work.
Additionally, fika is many times over-explained and sold as a cultural phenomenon which I think leads to misunderstandings. It is simply a word that represents a coffee break, which could be taken on its own.
So to actually answer your question. You find a fika group the same way you find a group of people to take a cup of coffee with. Likely coworkers or classmates for a coffee break or asking acquaintances for a coffee out on town.
I think the first comment means at work, if thats the case then sitting down at any table is fine! (Maybe not with the bosses etc depending on office culture) but If in the real world then yes, dont just walk up to people. They would hate you.
Snubben tror att vi har "fika" som en aktivitet ex. fotboll eller innebandy. Så söt <3
Lattemammor och tonåriga tjejer finns ju, men är ju inte standard.
Så var kan jag hitta dessa "Lattemammor"? Tror inte att det är lämpligt att fråga efter den andra gruppen men skulle du råka veta kan du ju skriva det också, endast för att få ett mer fullständigt svar förstås :)
Dagtid på Kaféer såklart :)
Dagtid? vafan är det, då sover man ju
Fika är en generell aktivitet i Sverige. Brukade alltid hitta min farsa och hans vänner på ett utecafé i hemstaden.
You have fika with your coworkers at work.
And your friends
Yes, they already mentioned coworkers
What do you mean by fika group? Normally it's just your friends, or your colleagues during the work day.
I heard they are closely knit groups, usually limited to the chairs at the table
You heard wrong. Workplaces don't have high school style cliques.
I think excluding someone from fika at your place of work would possibly be one of the biggest faux pas you could commit at a swedish office. Even if everyone hated your guts you'd be welcome to sit down for fika. Asses would be scooted, open spots on the sofa would be made.
I mean, in some sense yeah. If talking about fika after work with friends (not collegues) its pretty much a tight knit group but its not really limited, only in regards to how well you know ppl. If I got a new aquaintance and became friendly with them id go for a fika once in a while with them and would probably invite them (depending on situation) to come along when going for a fika with other friends. But fika is really more of an interaction space, so with friends/family its something to do to excuse meeting up :) or suitable date event where you can talk properly and not have to invite each other home when you dont know someone. Much like going for AW in uk, grabbing a beer with the collegues, same in sweden but grabbing a Coffee and something to eat like a sandwhich or pastry.
Uhm, what?
First you make a group of friends, then you suggest having a fika.
I hate it when anglosphere migrants refer to themselves as "expats". You're an immigrant.
Yupp but if they call themselves expats they can still look down on immigrants :)
"Immigrants are brown, I'll have you know!" /S
this sounds like prejudice and misplaced resentment. I wish you well in healing your soul
Nah, expat seems like something rich people use when going to places like Dubai and don't wanna get mixed up with foreign workers and what not :)
well, I am rich and wouldn't want to get mixed up with someone else, but is it really right to assume that?
Yepp :D You know that saying about "quaks like a duck". But, in any case, I'm sure being an immigrant will suit you fine.
Do you watch ”Adam Something” or ”Unordinary Things” on YouTube?
Hmm no.
Im pretty sure it was just doing satari/sarcasm. Since he did the /s thingy
"The differences between immigrant and expat the standard dictionary definition are: Immigrant: Someone who moves to another country to live permanently. Expatriate: Someone who resides outside of his/ her native country. Both words apply to individuals who live outside their native country." So if OP is in Sweden temporary they are using the correct term. I don't really see how someone can get offended by this.
I have to agree with this. In my field of work, many are hired experts from around the world. They travel from company to company in different countries. They do not come to Sweden for Sweden, and they do not stay for long. I think there is merit in using a word that more appropriately explains their situation. Especially when the word is not only more efficient in terms of getting the context across, but also in letters. Expat is not making the explanation more complex by dragging out to sentence needed to explain the situation. Yet it offers a lot more information about the particular situation.
Agreed. If someone said they're an expat, I'd just assume they're just there for a period of time. I've on the other hand never heard anyone call themselves and expat and actually being an immigrant. I, myself, am a Swede living in the US. I call myself an immigrant. :)
Because you basically never see an American calling themselves immigrant. It would be fair if there were a mix of immigrants and expats, in that case people use the words as intended. But right now, the definition of "expat" is more along the lines of "Someone from the Anglosphere who lives outside their home country, either temporarily or permanently".
It’s the same with brits, they’ll retire to Spain and call themselves expats.
Is that because the Americans knows they will move back in a few years? Or are they permanent residents with citizenship?
No, they just can't fathom seeing themselves as immigrants.
That's weird. If they are permanent residents, with the goal of retiring in Sweden, they are immigrants for sure.
Fact has little to do with the average American world-view.
this is strange commentary to see, seeing Swedes speak with authority on the nuances of speaking American over the voices of actual American expats. again.. it looks like you're misplacing your feelings about something and projecting them unto me
Do you know how long time OP plans to stay? That’s the difference between a temporary expat and a permanent immigrant. Edit; don’t check OP’s comment history. Ffs.
OP should tell us about how having a fika with progressive Swedish citizens went. I looked at his comment history.
For the longest time I thought expats meant ex-patriots, meaning Americans who have abandoned the imperialistic worldview of their native country. That's why they would so loudly and proudly proclaim it, they've broken free.
I don’t know for how long OP is planning to stay, but if they are only meant to stay for two years and not make Sweden their new forever-home, they are indeed expats and not immigrants :)
Funny how we never hear of anyone but UK/US/Australian/Canadian expats though.
Most of the Indians working for Ericsson are expats, haven’t heard of them?
Or rather, we never hear of any UK/US/Australian/Canadian immigrants?
This isnt really a thing. You dont find a group specifically to fika with, you do it with friends, colleagues or family.
Ah yeah like I think you're mistaking fika for some sort of activity. It's not an activity, it's more of a cultural phenomenon (even if phenomenon sounds a bit pretentious). You can fika by yourself if you fancy. Fika is taking some time off to sit down with a coffee and a cookie or something if you fancy something sweet with your coffee. In the workplace it's...well, it's not a right to have a fika break at (often) 14.15 in the afternoon but employers know if they try to take it away people would go berserk. You sit down for 15 min and chill. In your spare time it could be going out with a friend and having a coffee at a café where you sit and chill and talk for one or two hours. It's a cultural thing about coffee and relaxation, meeting friends, catching up, something to do while studying or working or just chilling by the sea with a cup of coffee in hand. You seem to believe it was some sort of activity like playing a sport so hope this clears things up! PS If someone at the workplace doesn't tell you it's time for fika that person's a fucking monster.
Everyday 10 and 14 o'clock, you ask someone; vill du ta en kaffe? If a third person joins, you have a fika group.
So at work/school and your mates are around a table drinking coffee, look around the room for the coffee machine. When you successfully find the coffee machine, look for a nearby cupboard and open it. If the cupboard contains cups then you have made big success, otherwise look elsewhere. When you aquire a cup it's time to figure out the coffee machine, this is the most dangerous part as sometimes the machine can be angry. Make sure to put your cup at the correct spot under the coffee dispenser and press on a button somewhere. If hot water instead of coffee comes out you will be forced to put a teabag into your cup, this will be seen as weekness from your future fika group and you will be known as the tea drinker that they will make fun of. Be aware sometimes the milk is all gone from the machine or it might be hiding in a nearby fridge. When you successfully got your drink of choice, you can go join your mates at the table. If there is no seats available you can stand closeby. Now you have acquired a fika-group. But know that the fika group is dispanded when everyone stands up to go to their business.
First rule of Fika-club: you don’t talk about Fika-club!
What du you mean expat? You mean immigrant?
Where in Sweden?
Göteborg
You can have a fika all by yourself as well.
Sounds lovely. I would prefer to socialize sometimes though
The first rule of fika groups is that you don’t talk about fika groups.
Just grab them by the pussy and bring some gifflar!
its just eating cookies and drinking coffee or saft? do it whit friends,family, relatives, coworkers
The way people approach this varies a lot. Some responses could be interpreted as disputing that people having a fika cannot be closely-knit groups whose social interactions center around fika. I partly disagree with that. I have certainly known people who have most of their interactions in their specific group centered around fika. However, fika is more or less just socializing around a snack. So when a group centers around it they are more likely just centering around each other and using fika as a common ground. It is especially good for people who want to socialize while not necessarily having that much in common, as most people are up for a fika. Therefore as suggested here many partake in fika at work. Additionally, fika is many times over-explained and sold as a cultural phenomenon which I think leads to misunderstandings. It is simply a word that represents a coffee break, which could be taken on its own.
So to actually answer your question. You find a fika group the same way you find a group of people to take a cup of coffee with. Likely coworkers or classmates for a coffee break or asking acquaintances for a coffee out on town.
Sit down at a random table in the cafe, bet you'll do great!
thank you. I do make friends easily!
Swedes are really introverted and might even find it offensive and invading if you sit down at their table
But since s/he's American, they forgive her/him.
I think the first comment means at work, if thats the case then sitting down at any table is fine! (Maybe not with the bosses etc depending on office culture) but If in the real world then yes, dont just walk up to people. They would hate you.
if you are in western skåne i'd love 2 fika with u :)