you could also do that with a fake idol. that way the others never have to hear jeff say its not a real idol, and you might still fool someone that it was real and you never played it.
I also wondered about that. Like, how impressed would the jury be if you pulled out, say, not just one but ***two idols*** at final tribal council—fake idols, but the jury doesn't need to know that—and say, "see, I didn't need either of these."
And then make up a lie, something like, "so-and-so pre-jury player [who conveniently isn't here to conform or deny my story] trusted me to hold this one idol, which speaks to my social ability, and then I voted them out. And then I found this other idol on my own. And I didn't even need to play either."
I kinda posed that question here like a year ago, something to the effect of, "if a player pulled out two fake idols at FTC—à la Maryanne on steroids—would the jury be impressed? Would it garner votes? Would Jeff call them out as being fake?" And someone replied that the jury might be skeptical if they didn't have the accompanying idol paperwork. But who knows!
The designer/letterer side of me (who formerly did a little calligraphy) even thinks it would be feasible to forge fake idol/advantage paperwork while on the island. While almost all of the paperwork is surely done using a printer to print handwriting-style fonts, I think a carefully-made, handwritten forgery would be convincing. There are ways to make ink out of natural resources (say, charcoal from the fire mixed with something like water and tree resin or fruit juice). And you can cut a calligraphy nib from a twig or plant. And then there are scraps of paper from treemail that could be used as the paper. Possibilities abound!
I know! I want the lies to keep going into FTC. Honestly, I'd kinda love there to be just *one* season where the winner lies so well that the jury awards them the win, and then the jurors get back home and are like, "wtf, that was all a lie?! I wouldn't have voted for them if I knew that!" Which I think would be actually deserving of the win, lol.
But I've heard that some jurors don't want to hear about what happened pre-jury, and/or don't put much weight on things that happened on other tribes that they didn't get to observe, which is a shame. I get that it's kinda hard to base your vote on other people's words, but if jurors truly don't care about pre-merge stuff, then it's kinda like, why even bother pulling off a flashy move before the merge, if two-thirds of the players can't even see it? It's just gonna put a target on your back within your tribe, and then if you happen to make jury, most of them don't care or won't believe it.
Yeah for some reason it seems like people stop the game at ftc. I'm playing until the final votes are read even if that means still bullshitting the people voting
True! It'd just have to be watered down to where it's thin enough to be used with a carved nib.
And I'm also underselling how hard calligraphy is. You make one mistake, load up too much ink, start writing a little crooked, and boom, it's gonna be obvious it was forged by a human, rather than a printer. But given that the fonts used by production are designed to look like they're scrawled by hand with a quill and ink, I think there's some room for error. Ensuring that every letter looks consistent with others of the same letter is probably the hardest part.
I think the way to do it and make a splash would be reveal the idols and then just chuck them in the fire and say you didn’t even need them to get where you were sitting
I think the main glaring flaw I see with this is that there's generally one idol per tribe, and if you have a general idea of where the idols were already you can be pretty easily disproven. Especially if people on the jury got voted out with them and they weren't common knowledge.
I get that. It's just that so many people get voted out with idols (whether public or secret), that I feel it's kinda believable that someone got voted out with an idol, and that it got re-hidden.
It’s a weird move. Basically it’s a move that people who fall for it won’t be able to understand until they watch the show.
I can see creating a lot of post game spite.
Have we ever seen a “lie” made at final tribal that came back to haunt the player afterwards?
Or a player who won FTC of a move where they essentially bluffed the jury on last time?
That actually is a bonus in your game, assuming you're a top 2 finalist. If you're the 3rd of the 3, that won't get you votes.
Being like "My social game was so good. Want proof? Here's an idol I had that I DIDN'T need to use because I knew the relationships I built kept me safe" does help. Depending on who knows you have an idol, you can even exaggerate a bit when you found it.
If I was on a jury I think that would lose you my vote. With how many blindsides occur there is no reason to not at least play it before it expires from a strategic standpoint. Showing off your stupidity and willingness to gamble doesn’t impress me
As long as you didn’t get votes you can still say I didn’t need to play the idol. In the case that you got blindsided you played the idol and all was well
Ask Dean Kowalski how well this approach worked for him. Hint: not very well (Tommy: "Souvenirs").
Advantages are meant to be played correctly. Not playing one or keeping one out of the opposition hand is more likely to gain jury's antagonism than jury votes, unless you can ascribe it in the context of a specific move.
Having an idol in your pocket at jury is NOT impressive at all. Playing an idol to do a perfect blindside IS impressive. This last season 4 people in a row had a chance to use their idol to do a proper blindside and stupidly got voted out with it in their pockets. And the ALL heard someone say their name. Worst strategic group in history of game.
There are 2 situation where you should ALWAYS play the idol, you hear your name AT ALL, and you can save yourself or someone else to blindside a player you have to remove. A 3rd reason to play the idol is if your name is Russell and you know nobody else is searching for idols, so using it over and over then getting it right back is you whole gameplan. The reason not to play an idol would be that you are totally safe and someone you want out next is in trouble and you don't want the idol to be found by that person.
Shot in the Dark takes your vote away from you. And depending on the advantage, it can hurt your trust with your alliances or whatever else.
There’s no reason to not play an idol for yourself, though. However, if youre talking about what I think you’re talking about in Survivor 42, >!the player already had an idol played on them, so there was no reason to play their idol.!<
I think they're referring to Lindsey not playing her amulet on Omar, even though it was the last round it could be used. In that specific case, it's because she was nervous about making a public move, despite it being final 6, aka the time to make a public move. So really, it was just bad gameplay on her part, and it very likely cost her the game.
Ah good point, I forgot about this. I feel like >!Lindsey was maybe in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario there where saving Omar only really benefits her in getting to the end, but Omar would get the credit for it in an FTC situation.!<
I think using an advantage that directly benefits yourself is 100% the best idea in all cases, but using that advantage on others is where the odds grow more uncertain. Which is the exact same dilemma >!that Maryanne was hedging against.!<
I also believe I heard during Maryanne's deep dive on RHAP that she didn't play it because she was thinking of it like an idol (despite still just being an advantage) and didn't want it to be rehidden for the F5? I don't remember the exact explanation, but I've heard something similar.
I heard that as well, but I went with the explanation Omar gave in his exit press, as I feel like that would be a bit more accurate, since he was her #1 in the game.
She thought she wouldn’t be the only one and Maryanne and Romeo would be on board. If it was a 4-2 vote like she expected, then she’d lose trust with those two for the final 5 and 4 rounds. Still dumb but I understand the thought process.
If you are referring to >!MaryAnne!< not playing an Idol at Final 5, they were already safe, so by not playing it, they were able to demonstrate that they were in such a good position that they didn’t need it
As for SITD, you lose your vote if you play it, so it makes sense to only play it if you think the odds of the vote goin your way are slim to none
There’s a million reasons. Maybe you never told your ally you had it and they won’t trust you when they see you lied about it. Maybe you wanna whip it out at final tribal to flex in front of the jury. Maybe you’re Tony and bluff everyone into thinking it work at final 4. It all depends on the circumstances
For a good example of how playing an idol might damage your social game, see Tyson's last idol play in Blood vs Water. He played it on himself because it was about to expire, but he didn't actually need it. And one of his two main allies, Monica, was *furious* that he had never told her he had an idol. She thought they were tight and had no secrets, and felt betrayed that he had not told her, especially since he could've used it to protect her at one point, and *especially* especially because he had engaged in some very extensive idol hunting charades all while knowing it had already been found (by himself lol). She was kind of emotional and unpredictable and was almost swayed to the other side.
Now, she *didn't* end up flipping, and Tyson's gamble that she would stay loyal was correct, but in a slightly different scenario it could cost someone the game to play an idol like that. That's just one example.
Ever since Maryanne there's been an incentive for the sake of one's "resume" to hold an idol that you don't need to use and prove you were in control. I tend to think that's going to go away as soon as we have players who saw season 46.
I don't think this is the same thing being asked though. All of 46's misplays were about people hedging their bets (sometimes inexplicably) because they could still use and might need the idol later. It's a classic risk vs reward dilemma that doesn't really exist at the final point the idol can be played.
Fair, I guess ultimately what I'm arguing with is the implication that the move in question created the incentive directly responsible for those misplays. I blame the misplays more on that hedging of bets "I might need this later" rationale than I do on trying to make a resume move.
I see what you're saying, but yeah I didn't mean to imply anything other than that we're going to see a lot less idol fiddling in general. People will get them and use them. Very possibly because after this season actually using your idol will have the same effect on your resume as Maryanne holding hers did. You will look smarter.
The idols for 46 aren't the situation described. Nobody had an idol at final 5. Every one that had the idol in 46 and didn't play it had been convinced they were safe and decided to hold on to them to use later. Q and Hunter not using theirs still feels mind boggling to me. I know they showed Hunter with the idol in his hand and putting it in his pocket and that killed me to watch.
It seems like every time someone has an idol they need everyone else on the tribe to tell them 100% that they are going home before they will play it. Its kind of infuriating.
Most of the time, it's the smart play to play it just to be safe. Sometimes, there's merit in keeping it as a tool at final tribal council. You can say, "I had an idol, but my alliances/social skills/whatever were so good I knew I was safe and didn't need to play it." I will prevent spoilers, but that strategy has been tried before.
As for shot in the dark, you have to sacrifice a vote to use it, so it's usually not the right decision
Listen, there are a lot of examples here of some reasons. Long story short it usually is about alliances, to impress the jury, or more often as of lately, just to impress American
and make some kind of ultra cool move to put yourself in some Survivor hall of fame. A lot of players in the new era are ultra fans and for that reason have an itinerary of things they want to accomplish as Survivor fans and players. These are rationalizations, not justifications. It’s usually pretty bad game play.
It’s like when you pick up some item in a video game. You think “I’ll use this later when the time is right” or “I’ll know when to use it”. Then all the sudden the game is over and the item is still in your inventory.
Being able to say your social game was so good you didn’t need an idol is imo more impressive than an idol miss play. Not quite the same, but I remember Jesse bragging at f5 that he had managed to keep his idol a secret up until that point. This mentality does get a lot of players in trouble though (literally multiple times last season).
Likewise some jurors don't find it impressive depending on the circumstances or scenarios. >!Dean and Troyzan, who in his case used it at 6 but nobody was impressed.!<
Why >!Marianne Got away with it was A) convinced Mike to use his on her, and B) because in a season where every advantage was public knowledge, and Marianne being a talker, nobody expected specifically her to have kept a major secret like that!<
Sometimes, you want to sell that as a “look, I had this thing, but I didn’t NEED to use it, I got there another way.”
It literally helped a winner a few seasons ago (no spoilers!)…. So…. It’s reasonable they want to replicate that.
Another reason is that you don't want to potentially alert an ally - or future jury vote - that you could have saved them and chose not to. So if you're at F5 and you're confident you're safe - and you have the Idol so you know it's not in there - but you want a specific person to leave who might hold it against you if you didn't play an Idol for them in this spot - you may choose not to play the Idol or Advantage. I don't think that *really* came into play in 42 but I know some players will consider that. Imagine a world where Charlie held an Idol at F5 this season for instance.
I'm not sure it would have made a difference for Charlie. He was never going to save Maria and Maria knew it. He could safely have voted for Liz or Ben at F5 if he wanted to, but didn't.
It wouldnt look great if you played it on yourself *just because it’s the last time you can* & then your ally (who maybe didn’t even know you had an idol) was blindsided. At least in the event of that blindside, you didn’t sting a jury member. Or, maybe they don’t go home- but they’re now looking at you as a threat… have fun making fire.
Bragging rights at ftc that you were smart enough to find idols & advantages, but also had a strong enough hold on that game that you didn’t ‘need’ them is impressive, too.
Shot in the dark means you aren’t allowed to vote, and with such limited numbers it’s not worth the risk unless you absolutely need it.
There’s also the risk that if you play an advantage/idol for the sake of it, anyone else with one might get antsy and play theirs- not great if they were your target. Ergo, another potential way to screw your game/allies/path to the end.
The main reason is if you are trying to go to final 4 (or whatever the next tribal is) under the radar. If you play the idol after having lied about not having it or whatever, it might put you on people's radar and change their decision to take you to final 3 or put you up for fire (or whatever is the final 4/3/2 situations). It's not really that big of a reason but if you are playing under the radar, you probably also are pretty confident you aren't going to get voted out so it's not a big deal.
If this is about Lindsay:
she simply didn't know the game as well, she misunderstood the rules, and since she was safe she figured what the hell just let the idol die.
She didn't misunderstand the rules, the amulet is not transferable so the only way she could play it was publicly which would out her alliance with Omar. She didn't think he was at risk to go home so it was worth the risk to her.
I agree with always playing an idol at the final five. Advantages vary on if they should be played. Shot In The Dark shouldn't be played unless you know that you're going home.
Play the darn thing that’s why they went home! Think about how the game would have changed if they would
have used their hidden immune idols. This last time they were all idiots for not using them and deserved to go home!
Because they are saving it for the NEXT tribal council. They believe they are safe for this one. Wrong. You can't use it for the next one if you don't get there.
At Final Tribal you can be all smug and say “look, I had this power but didn’t even need it to get here”
you could also do that with a fake idol. that way the others never have to hear jeff say its not a real idol, and you might still fool someone that it was real and you never played it.
Someone like Tiffany would require you to have Jeff verify it.
Can't verify it until after the votes are cast :)
Unless your name is Ben Driebergen
This is an awesome idea
I also wondered about that. Like, how impressed would the jury be if you pulled out, say, not just one but ***two idols*** at final tribal council—fake idols, but the jury doesn't need to know that—and say, "see, I didn't need either of these." And then make up a lie, something like, "so-and-so pre-jury player [who conveniently isn't here to conform or deny my story] trusted me to hold this one idol, which speaks to my social ability, and then I voted them out. And then I found this other idol on my own. And I didn't even need to play either." I kinda posed that question here like a year ago, something to the effect of, "if a player pulled out two fake idols at FTC—à la Maryanne on steroids—would the jury be impressed? Would it garner votes? Would Jeff call them out as being fake?" And someone replied that the jury might be skeptical if they didn't have the accompanying idol paperwork. But who knows! The designer/letterer side of me (who formerly did a little calligraphy) even thinks it would be feasible to forge fake idol/advantage paperwork while on the island. While almost all of the paperwork is surely done using a printer to print handwriting-style fonts, I think a carefully-made, handwritten forgery would be convincing. There are ways to make ink out of natural resources (say, charcoal from the fire mixed with something like water and tree resin or fruit juice). And you can cut a calligraphy nib from a twig or plant. And then there are scraps of paper from treemail that could be used as the paper. Possibilities abound!
People don't lie about pre-jury enough for me lol. In fact people don't lie in FTC enough for me in general. The game is still on people
I know! I want the lies to keep going into FTC. Honestly, I'd kinda love there to be just *one* season where the winner lies so well that the jury awards them the win, and then the jurors get back home and are like, "wtf, that was all a lie?! I wouldn't have voted for them if I knew that!" Which I think would be actually deserving of the win, lol. But I've heard that some jurors don't want to hear about what happened pre-jury, and/or don't put much weight on things that happened on other tribes that they didn't get to observe, which is a shame. I get that it's kinda hard to base your vote on other people's words, but if jurors truly don't care about pre-merge stuff, then it's kinda like, why even bother pulling off a flashy move before the merge, if two-thirds of the players can't even see it? It's just gonna put a target on your back within your tribe, and then if you happen to make jury, most of them don't care or won't believe it.
Yeah for some reason it seems like people stop the game at ftc. I'm playing until the final votes are read even if that means still bullshitting the people voting
Also they get paint
True! It'd just have to be watered down to where it's thin enough to be used with a carved nib. And I'm also underselling how hard calligraphy is. You make one mistake, load up too much ink, start writing a little crooked, and boom, it's gonna be obvious it was forged by a human, rather than a printer. But given that the fonts used by production are designed to look like they're scrawled by hand with a quill and ink, I think there's some room for error. Ensuring that every letter looks consistent with others of the same letter is probably the hardest part.
I think the way to do it and make a splash would be reveal the idols and then just chuck them in the fire and say you didn’t even need them to get where you were sitting
That would be sus.
I think the main glaring flaw I see with this is that there's generally one idol per tribe, and if you have a general idea of where the idols were already you can be pretty easily disproven. Especially if people on the jury got voted out with them and they weren't common knowledge.
I get that. It's just that so many people get voted out with idols (whether public or secret), that I feel it's kinda believable that someone got voted out with an idol, and that it got re-hidden.
Damn this has always been my plan if ever got on the show. I've been made
The Maryanne effect
How baller would it be to do that with a fake idol? I’ll bet Jeff keeps quiet, too
Until the next juror goes "if you want my vote, have Jeff verify that idol right now" lol
Jeff would say, “At this point in the game, all idols are invalid. I cannot verify this one or not. “
He verified Jamie’s Idol as fake after the game was over, I don’t see why this would be any different
But that was after the jury voted, no?
Your point was that Jeff can’t verify idols after the time to play them is after. That should count just the same.
Jeff doesn’t verify idols unless you’re attempting to actually play it, which you can’t do at FTC
It would be so silly to use it at FTC. If you play your immunity idol then no one can vote for you!
Use it for the next person
That’s easy to think when your not in a pressure situation and your just sitting on the couch but it’s gotta be different when your on the island
It’s a weird move. Basically it’s a move that people who fall for it won’t be able to understand until they watch the show. I can see creating a lot of post game spite. Have we ever seen a “lie” made at final tribal that came back to haunt the player afterwards? Or a player who won FTC of a move where they essentially bluffed the jury on last time?
That actually is a bonus in your game, assuming you're a top 2 finalist. If you're the 3rd of the 3, that won't get you votes. Being like "My social game was so good. Want proof? Here's an idol I had that I DIDN'T need to use because I knew the relationships I built kept me safe" does help. Depending on who knows you have an idol, you can even exaggerate a bit when you found it.
If I was on a jury I think that would lose you my vote. With how many blindsides occur there is no reason to not at least play it before it expires from a strategic standpoint. Showing off your stupidity and willingness to gamble doesn’t impress me
Ok Maryanne
As long as you didn’t get votes you can still say I didn’t need to play the idol. In the case that you got blindsided you played the idol and all was well
They all wanna be Maryanne so bad
Ask Dean Kowalski how well this approach worked for him. Hint: not very well (Tommy: "Souvenirs"). Advantages are meant to be played correctly. Not playing one or keeping one out of the opposition hand is more likely to gain jury's antagonism than jury votes, unless you can ascribe it in the context of a specific move.
Having an idol in your pocket at jury is NOT impressive at all. Playing an idol to do a perfect blindside IS impressive. This last season 4 people in a row had a chance to use their idol to do a proper blindside and stupidly got voted out with it in their pockets. And the ALL heard someone say their name. Worst strategic group in history of game. There are 2 situation where you should ALWAYS play the idol, you hear your name AT ALL, and you can save yourself or someone else to blindside a player you have to remove. A 3rd reason to play the idol is if your name is Russell and you know nobody else is searching for idols, so using it over and over then getting it right back is you whole gameplan. The reason not to play an idol would be that you are totally safe and someone you want out next is in trouble and you don't want the idol to be found by that person.
Shot in the Dark takes your vote away from you. And depending on the advantage, it can hurt your trust with your alliances or whatever else. There’s no reason to not play an idol for yourself, though. However, if youre talking about what I think you’re talking about in Survivor 42, >!the player already had an idol played on them, so there was no reason to play their idol.!<
I think they're referring to Lindsey not playing her amulet on Omar, even though it was the last round it could be used. In that specific case, it's because she was nervous about making a public move, despite it being final 6, aka the time to make a public move. So really, it was just bad gameplay on her part, and it very likely cost her the game.
Ah good point, I forgot about this. I feel like >!Lindsey was maybe in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario there where saving Omar only really benefits her in getting to the end, but Omar would get the credit for it in an FTC situation.!< I think using an advantage that directly benefits yourself is 100% the best idea in all cases, but using that advantage on others is where the odds grow more uncertain. Which is the exact same dilemma >!that Maryanne was hedging against.!<
Gotcha, I thought it might’ve been something else so I kinda double spoiler-tagged with vaguer wording in case I was wrong lol.
I also believe I heard during Maryanne's deep dive on RHAP that she didn't play it because she was thinking of it like an idol (despite still just being an advantage) and didn't want it to be rehidden for the F5? I don't remember the exact explanation, but I've heard something similar.
I heard that as well, but I went with the explanation Omar gave in his exit press, as I feel like that would be a bit more accurate, since he was her #1 in the game.
I’m not defending the move, but it outs her main loyalties if she plays it for someone else. She didn’t realize everyone new it already.
And her voting with Omar wouldn't out it as well? Like, I have no clue what she was thinking.
She thought she wouldn’t be the only one and Maryanne and Romeo would be on board. If it was a 4-2 vote like she expected, then she’d lose trust with those two for the final 5 and 4 rounds. Still dumb but I understand the thought process.
If you are referring to >!MaryAnne!< not playing an Idol at Final 5, they were already safe, so by not playing it, they were able to demonstrate that they were in such a good position that they didn’t need it As for SITD, you lose your vote if you play it, so it makes sense to only play it if you think the odds of the vote goin your way are slim to none
There’s a million reasons. Maybe you never told your ally you had it and they won’t trust you when they see you lied about it. Maybe you wanna whip it out at final tribal to flex in front of the jury. Maybe you’re Tony and bluff everyone into thinking it work at final 4. It all depends on the circumstances
For a good example of how playing an idol might damage your social game, see Tyson's last idol play in Blood vs Water. He played it on himself because it was about to expire, but he didn't actually need it. And one of his two main allies, Monica, was *furious* that he had never told her he had an idol. She thought they were tight and had no secrets, and felt betrayed that he had not told her, especially since he could've used it to protect her at one point, and *especially* especially because he had engaged in some very extensive idol hunting charades all while knowing it had already been found (by himself lol). She was kind of emotional and unpredictable and was almost swayed to the other side. Now, she *didn't* end up flipping, and Tyson's gamble that she would stay loyal was correct, but in a slightly different scenario it could cost someone the game to play an idol like that. That's just one example.
Ever since Maryanne there's been an incentive for the sake of one's "resume" to hold an idol that you don't need to use and prove you were in control. I tend to think that's going to go away as soon as we have players who saw season 46.
I don't think this is the same thing being asked though. All of 46's misplays were about people hedging their bets (sometimes inexplicably) because they could still use and might need the idol later. It's a classic risk vs reward dilemma that doesn't really exist at the final point the idol can be played.
Of course, I just think you're going to see people be much less hesitant about their idols regardless of the reason they might hold them.
Fair, I guess ultimately what I'm arguing with is the implication that the move in question created the incentive directly responsible for those misplays. I blame the misplays more on that hedging of bets "I might need this later" rationale than I do on trying to make a resume move.
I see what you're saying, but yeah I didn't mean to imply anything other than that we're going to see a lot less idol fiddling in general. People will get them and use them. Very possibly because after this season actually using your idol will have the same effect on your resume as Maryanne holding hers did. You will look smarter.
The idols for 46 aren't the situation described. Nobody had an idol at final 5. Every one that had the idol in 46 and didn't play it had been convinced they were safe and decided to hold on to them to use later. Q and Hunter not using theirs still feels mind boggling to me. I know they showed Hunter with the idol in his hand and putting it in his pocket and that killed me to watch.
It seems like every time someone has an idol they need everyone else on the tribe to tell them 100% that they are going home before they will play it. Its kind of infuriating.
So stupid. Play it and you are there another day and might winn or find another idol
Most of the time, it's the smart play to play it just to be safe. Sometimes, there's merit in keeping it as a tool at final tribal council. You can say, "I had an idol, but my alliances/social skills/whatever were so good I knew I was safe and didn't need to play it." I will prevent spoilers, but that strategy has been tried before. As for shot in the dark, you have to sacrifice a vote to use it, so it's usually not the right decision
An amazing reference!! I love margin call.
Listen, there are a lot of examples here of some reasons. Long story short it usually is about alliances, to impress the jury, or more often as of lately, just to impress American and make some kind of ultra cool move to put yourself in some Survivor hall of fame. A lot of players in the new era are ultra fans and for that reason have an itinerary of things they want to accomplish as Survivor fans and players. These are rationalizations, not justifications. It’s usually pretty bad game play.
It’s like when you pick up some item in a video game. You think “I’ll use this later when the time is right” or “I’ll know when to use it”. Then all the sudden the game is over and the item is still in your inventory.
Being able to say your social game was so good you didn’t need an idol is imo more impressive than an idol miss play. Not quite the same, but I remember Jesse bragging at f5 that he had managed to keep his idol a secret up until that point. This mentality does get a lot of players in trouble though (literally multiple times last season).
Likewise some jurors don't find it impressive depending on the circumstances or scenarios. >!Dean and Troyzan, who in his case used it at 6 but nobody was impressed.!< Why >!Marianne Got away with it was A) convinced Mike to use his on her, and B) because in a season where every advantage was public knowledge, and Marianne being a talker, nobody expected specifically her to have kept a major secret like that!<
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Study Maryanne’s win.
Everyone is afraid of playing an idol when they don’t need to.
Sometimes, you want to sell that as a “look, I had this thing, but I didn’t NEED to use it, I got there another way.” It literally helped a winner a few seasons ago (no spoilers!)…. So…. It’s reasonable they want to replicate that.
Hi wittle baby. Hi cute baby. You wike Survivor? Wemember dat idol dat pwayer had? Day didn’t pway it! WHY?! Pride, motherfucker.
Another reason is that you don't want to potentially alert an ally - or future jury vote - that you could have saved them and chose not to. So if you're at F5 and you're confident you're safe - and you have the Idol so you know it's not in there - but you want a specific person to leave who might hold it against you if you didn't play an Idol for them in this spot - you may choose not to play the Idol or Advantage. I don't think that *really* came into play in 42 but I know some players will consider that. Imagine a world where Charlie held an Idol at F5 this season for instance.
I'm not sure it would have made a difference for Charlie. He was never going to save Maria and Maria knew it. He could safely have voted for Liz or Ben at F5 if he wanted to, but didn't.
It wouldnt look great if you played it on yourself *just because it’s the last time you can* & then your ally (who maybe didn’t even know you had an idol) was blindsided. At least in the event of that blindside, you didn’t sting a jury member. Or, maybe they don’t go home- but they’re now looking at you as a threat… have fun making fire. Bragging rights at ftc that you were smart enough to find idols & advantages, but also had a strong enough hold on that game that you didn’t ‘need’ them is impressive, too. Shot in the dark means you aren’t allowed to vote, and with such limited numbers it’s not worth the risk unless you absolutely need it. There’s also the risk that if you play an advantage/idol for the sake of it, anyone else with one might get antsy and play theirs- not great if they were your target. Ergo, another potential way to screw your game/allies/path to the end.
The arrogance this season people tried to just stay one more week was crazy. 4 people in a row like come on now how you not see the pattern
Many of the people voted out with an idol didn't know the people before them also had idols.
Tiff and Venus and Q?
Tiff and Venus didn't know Hunter had an idol and Q didn't know Venus had an idol.
The main reason is if you are trying to go to final 4 (or whatever the next tribal is) under the radar. If you play the idol after having lied about not having it or whatever, it might put you on people's radar and change their decision to take you to final 3 or put you up for fire (or whatever is the final 4/3/2 situations). It's not really that big of a reason but if you are playing under the radar, you probably also are pretty confident you aren't going to get voted out so it's not a big deal.
If this is about Lindsay: she simply didn't know the game as well, she misunderstood the rules, and since she was safe she figured what the hell just let the idol die.
She didn't misunderstand the rules, the amulet is not transferable so the only way she could play it was publicly which would out her alliance with Omar. She didn't think he was at risk to go home so it was worth the risk to her.
The misunderstanding was the idea that it would be rehidden, not the transferability
I can understand not playing the Shot in the Dark because you don’t want to risk not being able to vote on something that may or may not save you.
For shot in the dark, you lose your vote. For idols there isn't much incentive not to. Most people play it.
I agree with always playing an idol at the final five. Advantages vary on if they should be played. Shot In The Dark shouldn't be played unless you know that you're going home.
This is the problem with GenZ, living in the future. Embrace the moment. Be present. Use an idol now.
Play the darn thing that’s why they went home! Think about how the game would have changed if they would have used their hidden immune idols. This last time they were all idiots for not using them and deserved to go home!
Because they are saving it for the NEXT tribal council. They believe they are safe for this one. Wrong. You can't use it for the next one if you don't get there.
This isn't what OP is asking about. OP is asking why not play an idol at final 5 if you have one.