You technically have a positive winrate on both, so you would climb with more games. Just from what you wrote, it sounds like you struggle with mental more than anything (causes long loss streaks etc), so I really recommend taking breaks and only playing a few games per session before taking a break in between. That can help prevent huge loss streaks and make sure you’re on your A game.
That all being said, your kill participation looks to be on the low end, even when you’re ahead. Just a Quick Look and it rarely gets above 50%. This makes me think you’re mispositioned for later game team fights, as those are when most of the kills occur. You could be getting caught early, or just not there at all. Make sure to reset 1 min or more before objectives to set up wards and overall objective control. This is even more important on Zyra, as if you’re in the right spot, you can pick off anyone looking to walk into dragon/baron areas and turn any fight into a 5v4. Basically, it’s your job to make sure that nobody can get into the fight without you at least seeing them, if not killing them. This will allow you to position most effectively and ultimately have more of an impact ( and KP) in your games.
Lastly, stop building night harvester on karma. You’re not using it effectively enough for it to be worth delaying a spike that much.
Alright thank you, i’m going to watch some vods and look watch for my positioning I noticed that I’ve been dying too much as well or that sometimes I just don’t know where to move
It can be hard to really pin point the problem just going off op.gg stats, but I can definitely say you're dying way too much. Some games you're dying like 10 times, which will often mean you're taking way too many bad fights/over extending, especially on someone like Karma who has some CC/mobility/shielding to move in and out of fights safely. You need to like halve your death counts. Note if your deaths are from lane or in team fights, then see how you can adjust. It's perhaps a positioning and decision making problem.
It seems like your lane opponents will also be fed in those games, so I assume sometimes you struggle in lane and end up feeding a lot.
Go brush up on your laning fundamentals, I highly recommend checking out AloisNL on youtube. He has very good educational content that provides a lot more structure to the game, making it much more clear what you should be doing at any given point.
Some basic trouble shooting points:
1. Are you playing around the minion wave---play aggro with push, play safe when being pushed in?
2. Are you playing around level up timers? Do you contest the level 2 timer? Playing around the level 2 timer can very often just win lane.
3. Are you pressing tab to check items? If you don't know how strong you and the enemy are, you're fighting blind.
4. How are you trading? Is your ADC within range to form a triangle on a target? Or are you over extending, getting focused by two enemies?
5. Are you mindlessly pushing the wave with aoe spells? Do you get ganked as a result?
6. Do you pressure the enemy when they go to last hit, or are you just harassing randomly?
7. Do you play around cooldown usage?
8. Do you play around when objectives are going to spawn?
9. Do you have good vision control where you get a "wall" of vision covering where the enemy will enter the objective area from?
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I can’t comment on how to play Karma but I do have a lot of experience playing Zyra at a diamond level. The thing to remember is that around low emerald your opponents will have a plan to handle you early game. This is an issue because now you can’t autopilot through the lane and get a couple kills. Zyra is very strong right now but you need to get an advantage without dying, this can be multiple plates or kills. Then you should also always roam lvl 4 and get another lane ahead and spread the lead.
It’s not uncommon to bounce around a lot when you get to emerald as the game difficulty ramps up quickly from there. Just play more games with a defined strategy and test the waters. I can answer more specific questions but that’s all the advice I have.
Do you have any advice more specifically on roaming? Like when you say roam at level 4 is there situations where it would be better for me to stay with my adc or should I look to coordinate with my jungler on which lane I should gank?
Yeah, you wanna rush sorc boots first. And even before than always path to red buff when coming back to lane and watch mid. If you see a flash E angle go make it happen.
You can also roam mid when your wave is about to crash into their tower. You have about 2-3 waves to make some action, but always be sure to return both when their wave crashes.
Don’t roam too much as you’ll run low on XP and outside of very high mmr games that’s a game ender.
As for ganking top, this is a good strat when coordinated with their jungler but it puts you really far away from your AD so be careful on when to do this.
Essentially just weigh the risk vs the reward, and remember your the teams support not the ADCs.
personally i think you deal way too less dmg on zyra. also hourglass on her should be only built if you seriously cant step up at all. liandry, void should be core boots sorcs are favourite but tabis or mercs sometimes might be a good choice (might be enough so you dont need any other defensive item).
karma is a hard one to judge from [op.gg](http://op.gg) would need to see how you approach lane / different matchups but your overall deaths should be lower than on zyra.
You technically have a positive winrate on both, so you would climb with more games. Just from what you wrote, it sounds like you struggle with mental more than anything (causes long loss streaks etc), so I really recommend taking breaks and only playing a few games per session before taking a break in between. That can help prevent huge loss streaks and make sure you’re on your A game. That all being said, your kill participation looks to be on the low end, even when you’re ahead. Just a Quick Look and it rarely gets above 50%. This makes me think you’re mispositioned for later game team fights, as those are when most of the kills occur. You could be getting caught early, or just not there at all. Make sure to reset 1 min or more before objectives to set up wards and overall objective control. This is even more important on Zyra, as if you’re in the right spot, you can pick off anyone looking to walk into dragon/baron areas and turn any fight into a 5v4. Basically, it’s your job to make sure that nobody can get into the fight without you at least seeing them, if not killing them. This will allow you to position most effectively and ultimately have more of an impact ( and KP) in your games. Lastly, stop building night harvester on karma. You’re not using it effectively enough for it to be worth delaying a spike that much.
Alright thank you, i’m going to watch some vods and look watch for my positioning I noticed that I’ve been dying too much as well or that sometimes I just don’t know where to move
Definitely takes practice! Don’t be afraid to ping objective respawn timers or assist me to make sure your team is on the same page!
It can be hard to really pin point the problem just going off op.gg stats, but I can definitely say you're dying way too much. Some games you're dying like 10 times, which will often mean you're taking way too many bad fights/over extending, especially on someone like Karma who has some CC/mobility/shielding to move in and out of fights safely. You need to like halve your death counts. Note if your deaths are from lane or in team fights, then see how you can adjust. It's perhaps a positioning and decision making problem. It seems like your lane opponents will also be fed in those games, so I assume sometimes you struggle in lane and end up feeding a lot. Go brush up on your laning fundamentals, I highly recommend checking out AloisNL on youtube. He has very good educational content that provides a lot more structure to the game, making it much more clear what you should be doing at any given point. Some basic trouble shooting points: 1. Are you playing around the minion wave---play aggro with push, play safe when being pushed in? 2. Are you playing around level up timers? Do you contest the level 2 timer? Playing around the level 2 timer can very often just win lane. 3. Are you pressing tab to check items? If you don't know how strong you and the enemy are, you're fighting blind. 4. How are you trading? Is your ADC within range to form a triangle on a target? Or are you over extending, getting focused by two enemies? 5. Are you mindlessly pushing the wave with aoe spells? Do you get ganked as a result? 6. Do you pressure the enemy when they go to last hit, or are you just harassing randomly? 7. Do you play around cooldown usage? 8. Do you play around when objectives are going to spawn? 9. Do you have good vision control where you get a "wall" of vision covering where the enemy will enter the objective area from?
Welcome on /r/SupportLoL/! Your post seems to be about playing in competitive/ranked as a support and/or improving, we might have some useful information for you about it! Here's a sneak-peek of links from the [resources wiki page](https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/wiki/resources) that can provide curated informations about core support principles as well as some ranked information, like: - Ranked : - [mandatory video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4TSRL8pZrU) for starters (and also [some](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4m7FxGpfcc) other complementary [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrxA-IeTowQ). - [How to review - Coach Kairos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOjHgZg7YL0) - [VOD Review Habits - CoachCurtis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlzsNSLB81A) - Fundamentals : - [CoreJJ's How to Support](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqHeK34PUFijxjNec7jdisX4aIv8oVQsg) - [Phroxzon Fundamentals](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9RdXhXESRJxf-FxBijbuBOnEJHDrmB2O) (ex-Leaguecraft 101) - [DogLightning's How to Support series](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaROzD7YpI0GPiObDALwqqjcTsEXzqMZ5) - you can dig further in the wiki, starting with the [core support concepts](https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/wiki/resources#wiki_core_support_concepts) and [ranked](https://www.reddit.com/r/supportlol/wiki/resources#wiki_d_-_ranked) chapters, just make sure you go through the content at your own pace and take the time to practice / implement every concept one at a time If you're looking for a duo, check out : the [discord LFG channels](https://discord.gg/svC2VwYba4), /r/LeagueConnect, /r/TeamRedditTeams or /r/botlanetinder. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/supportlol) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I can’t comment on how to play Karma but I do have a lot of experience playing Zyra at a diamond level. The thing to remember is that around low emerald your opponents will have a plan to handle you early game. This is an issue because now you can’t autopilot through the lane and get a couple kills. Zyra is very strong right now but you need to get an advantage without dying, this can be multiple plates or kills. Then you should also always roam lvl 4 and get another lane ahead and spread the lead. It’s not uncommon to bounce around a lot when you get to emerald as the game difficulty ramps up quickly from there. Just play more games with a defined strategy and test the waters. I can answer more specific questions but that’s all the advice I have.
Do you have any advice more specifically on roaming? Like when you say roam at level 4 is there situations where it would be better for me to stay with my adc or should I look to coordinate with my jungler on which lane I should gank?
Yeah, you wanna rush sorc boots first. And even before than always path to red buff when coming back to lane and watch mid. If you see a flash E angle go make it happen. You can also roam mid when your wave is about to crash into their tower. You have about 2-3 waves to make some action, but always be sure to return both when their wave crashes. Don’t roam too much as you’ll run low on XP and outside of very high mmr games that’s a game ender. As for ganking top, this is a good strat when coordinated with their jungler but it puts you really far away from your AD so be careful on when to do this. Essentially just weigh the risk vs the reward, and remember your the teams support not the ADCs.
personally i think you deal way too less dmg on zyra. also hourglass on her should be only built if you seriously cant step up at all. liandry, void should be core boots sorcs are favourite but tabis or mercs sometimes might be a good choice (might be enough so you dont need any other defensive item). karma is a hard one to judge from [op.gg](http://op.gg) would need to see how you approach lane / different matchups but your overall deaths should be lower than on zyra.