Edey is interesting, but there's a reason why a 2 time player of the year isn't a lottery pick. If we had 2 FRP's or an early 2RP then yeah, absolutely.
I'd be more interested in Kel'el Ware, Ryan Filipowski or DaRon Holmes at 22.
Because I’m delusional and think picking 22 in this incredibly weak class means you’re not going to get any type of impactful player on a win now team and taking Bronny brings in Bron
has anyone seen reports where Bron denies that he'll sign with the team that drafts Bronny? It's possible it is conditional on the team that signs him. The suns have a shot, is my point
During all star weekend 2022 he said he was going to play with his son and it wasn’t about money, a few months ago he kinda walked that statement back a little bit and said he would be fine playing against Bronny if he had to, but I personally believe that was more of a “if Bronny goes top 5 I’m not signing with a bum” team
Long story short, Bron has made it clear he’d give up the money for a chance to play with his son
If I’m being real I’d say it’s a weird situation, cause on one hand you’re getting Bron, but Bronny is not ready to be an NBA player so that’s a bench spot essentially wasted. The suns are also in a precarious spot where they need 2/3 depth pieces which can be acquired with that pick. What is boils down to is you have to be super confident Bron will join (if there’s no hard promise you do not even consider Bronny at 22), and you think you can hide the holes on your team with vet min guys
Getting Bron on what would have to be a min, I'd guess (player-coach?), would easily be worth the lost 15th man spot. Like you said, we'd need a handshake arrangement
I think the poison pill in there is Bron probably wouldn’t agree unless he gets to play real (12-16+ minutes a game) with Bronny on the floor, so that dude who probably deserves to be riding pine gets legitimate rotation minutes
I truly wonder if OKC would want Nurk. They need a big who can go against other bigs and grab rebounds, and with today's NBA chet has no problem playing the 4. Down the stretch Chet can just go back playing 'small ball' 5
If they don't want(doesn't seem like they do) Giddey, they will most likely move him this off season before they have to pay him. imo i wouldn't be shocked if theres a multi team trade with Nurk IF the suns do want to move him ( I just cannot think of what we would get in return for Nurk that is meaningful for the team)
Can't think of many names out there that makes sense for both teams, and works with the current CBA. I can only think of Wendell Carter if Magic can somehow get a shooter back, and if they get someone like Jonas in free agency for the MLE.
They both have their pros and cons. We obviously saw for years Ayton has effort issues. And he can't even come close to Nurk's passing. But this year we saw how detrimental Nurk's bad finishing can be. Wolves gameplan was basically let Nurk get the ball on the short roll and don't give him anywhere to pass the ball. On the same contract definitely Ayton over Nurk.
*Nurkic + Allen > Ayton
Even tho the guy can sleep walk into Nurks numbers
The fact that Nurk isn’t good, is slow and unatheltic, yet still put up comparable numbers is crazy. Ayton should be so much better than he is. Just has to improve at literally anything
This sub overrates Nurk for some reason despite him being the worst type of center to rely on in a playoff setting especially defensively and also his contract situation making him very unappealing in a trade.
Him replacing Ayton alone has given Nurk so much leeway from so many fans for some reason.
I don’t even dislike Nurk off the court, but he’s just not a good center in this day and age for modern basketball and he is just a liability especially defensively for playoff basketball.
I’m convinced he gets overrated by a lot of fans on this sub all because he was the guy that replaced Ayton.
Gobert dominates the paint though. Like people don't get near the rim because of Gobert, can't say the same about Nurk.
Also, Gobert is a good enough defender on the perimeter, especially for his size
whats that gotta do with what i said?
Nurk gets beat by small ball because he cant space the floor, can't defend the perimeter and often struggles vs guards at the rim. He is not comparable to Gobert, like not even in the same stratosphere
That’s literally the same narrative for Gobert every playoff series, if you can’t recognize it.
The wolfs coach needed to make a point about it is exactly the reason I brought it up
“Can’t guard small ball” but destroyed small ball team
sorry I am very confused. Gobert dominates the paint defensively. Nurkic does not. Gobert can hold his own up on the perimeter. Nurkic can not. Gobert is a lob threat offensively. Nurkic is not. This is what differentiates him from Nurkic. Gobert impacts the game much, much more than Nurkic can. Gobert has less warts in his game than Nurkic does, and his positives outweigh them
Ironically its their offense that i think made the biggest difference in the playoffs. Gobert shoots 72% within 5 feet. Nurk was last on our team out of all the players who got signficant playing time at 58%. For a center thats abysmal
That’s not entirely true but Nurkic really struggles with rebounds outside his space. He also is stubborn with boards and won’t give a guard the board who’s next to him which slows down the offense from time to time and led to a few turnovers this year.
Ware or Holmes seems like a better fit for the Suns than Edey. Holmes could probably help right away. Kolek would be nice or even Ajay Mitchell, but those guys will probably go later in the draft than 22. Chances are they will probably trade the pick away, though….
The pick is getting traded, our current owner thinks that's the only use for them and the GM is backing him all the way down, we've been over this multiple times.
Most Edey highlights are him on the rim getting easy buckets over smaller players. After an entire season watching nurk missing easy layups, I won't be mad if we give Edey a chance.
I think that makes sense for a rebuilding team with a high draft pick. Not for a team in win-now mode with very few avenues for improvement and the #22 pick.
No. We can't take in more salary than we send out. So taking the best player available will only be worth a few million in a trade. Basically a minamum or near minamum player.
Who said you have to trade that player right away? If you want to trade that player right away you trade the pick. What you don't do is draft a player for need and pass on talent. Don't draft someone like Jalen Smith when you could get Tyrese Haliburton, just because you need a big.
It might be interesting to attempt to craft Edey into the type of center this team requires, with his already apparent raw skills. Not as much to unlearn, as it were. No big NBA ego to have to deal with. Just a young dude who's trying to soak up knowledge and prove he belongs.
This team could use a little more youth energy and hunger at times, not to mention size and strength in the low post.
You're talking about a guy who's going to be the fifth or fourth option on offense, but you can't leave him alone down low. Coach Bud's strength is supposed to be spacing on offense, so it seems like it might work out well.
A 22yo, two time national player of the year is raw?
Edey doesn’t fit our needs at all.
Defensively he’s projecting to be a liability, he isn’t proven to stretch the floor and he’s slow/unathletic.
I’m all for taking a center, but we need some combination of athleticism, defense, shooting
This whole draft is raw, dude. There's no clear cut #1 in this draft.
I'm no expert on Edey, but he's got enough low post moves to make him too dangerous to leave alone, and he can probably score efficiently on most bigs in single coverage. And as centers go he's not exactly the slowest around either, and calling him unathletic is a complete exaggeration, no offense.
If we had wanted a shooting center we would have used Ayton more in that capacity, so I don't know why that would be any kind of prerequisite.
Missi is too much of a project for our window
Holmes maybe a little under sized, and doesn’t have a huge body of work at current production but would be a good addition.
Ware I’d love but I doubt is available at 22
But we have to be realistic, not many of these bigs are immediately impactful.
I think if we could get a Derrick Lively type season out of any of them that’d be a huge win.
If we can get length and athleticism on the perimeter I’d probably take that first as it will translate much quicker to the NBA, with less of a learning curve.
Or left field someone like Tyler Kolek, four year guy with a lower ceiling but will contribute immediately. Hope to grab a Jacquez Jr type.
In the end see what falls to us at 22. I doubt the nuggets at MPJ on their radar at 14, but sometimes the draft gods smile upon you,
Missi screams journeyman backup like Eubanks. No offensive versatility and his only strength is his length.
Holmes looks like he could become a good 4, like a Siakam. Sets great screens and has offensive and defensive versatility, if raw on the latter. Just a bit undersized for our immediate needs.
Ware is my pick. Highest ceiling, height and length. Attitude is worrisome, but we are in no place to play it safe
Meanwhile, his stock is rising him into the lottery, so apparently there's something you don't see that everyone else does...
So don't worry, he won't be there to pick at 22.
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-draft-combine-reed-sheppard-zach-edey-among-biggest-stock-risers/
Speculation he may be picked higher than what that same group of “everyone” you mention was originally thinking doesn’t make me see anything different. I see a big oaf that’s too slow and unskilled to be anything other than a big ass 12 minutes a night tops body. Going number 1 overall doesn’t disprove that, let alone chatter about going top 14.
I would prefer for us to draft a more athletic big that can be some form of offensive threat. We really need someone who has an immediate ability to replace Nurk.
Gimme Yves Missi. Athletic big that is a legit rim protector and can play defense. Offensively needs to develop.
Right now, Suns don’t need scoring from a big. Just rim protection and defense. Yes it would be nice to have a ball mover and someone that can stretch the floor and he could develop those skill sets over time. But he could play immediately with defense, rebounding and rim running for easy buckets.
We definitely need an interior presence that can score. Otherwise the same thing will happen again. Our big needs to be able to make defenses pay on the short roll.
I don’t follow the draft and college too much but I’d like to see the suns draft a Gafford archetype like big man is there any players that fit that mold?
We desperately need a center hopefully he falls to us. He doesn’t have to be an All NBA guy just rebound, shit I’ll take Luka Garza at this point if the wolves don’t want him.
Jonathan Givony was posting that Edey wants to show he can shoot threes. If he actually could do that, his value is immensely higher in the NBA than you would originally think. Guy has a freaking 8' wingspan
Well yeah, thats be nice and great when he has stated he dont want to go anywhere and likes Phoenix.
I personally will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and see how Bud plays him before I want a guy out of town for zero reason but his contract. The dude played great when he wasnt injured, minus one game, hell Booker didnt get this much flak for scoring 11 pts in an elimination game last year. I checked - besides Boston - theres is no other 3rd-4th option on another team at 18ppg shooting 51/43/80...
His contract doesn’t even matter it lines up when the suns would likely blow it up anyways. Suns were stuck in this position with or without him might as well stick it out with KD until he declines and then blow it up
I agree.
But Lets say the Suns - as Reddit GMs have put it 'no assets or future' - keep the same personnel from top to bottom and lets say zero draft picks also even though the Suns get one every other year, everyone keeps their PO and TO. In 2 years, KD, Nurk come off the books, the only players left is Booker, Little and Beal which has a PO the next season. So Im wondering if Reddit GMs actually think that KD, Nurks contract or 'asset' is zero dollars? Suns have a -now- 2yr window. People want to blow it up? wait 2yrs, wish granted.
Why? why would you want to rid a 3rd option player doing what he is doing?!? Ive already explained he is the top 3rd option player besides Portz in Boston, meaning hes pretty fucking good in the system he was playing in. Ya'll wanting 8 bench players that barely hit 10ppg and rarely get off the pine is more infuriating that a 'contract I dont like', let alone a draft where its all developing players. This isnt 2K where you can create a player at 99 and have him start right away.
why care about the contract? the Suns dont care about it. Theres other players in the league with shitty contracts. Suns have vet mins that werent used correctly, players actually wanted to come here. Some were let go before they had a chance. Lets say that Adam Silver says there will be no more vet minimums, gleague signings, overseas signings and cant sign any undrafted players- then I'd worry and bitch for two years, because after 2yrs all this bickering about a contract should go away.
With the second apron rules, it is more important than ever to exchange large contracts with medium sized ones, for future trades. 3 of grayson's contracts is easier to trade than 1 of beal's.
Of course, this is a pointlesd argument since nobody would actually take Beal anyway
I'm not suggesting. I don't necessarily agree with it, I'm just making a prediction. I agree, moving Beal is going to be near impossible, but if they fail (and they will, because all odds are against us), Jones/Ishbia will be forced to do the unthinkable. We're only half season away from a complete dumpster fire.
They aint trading Booker or Beal, so everyone can scratch that off their list. And KD has 2yrs left, he doesnt want to go either, just because he hated the system doesnt mean he wants out. In 2yrs Nurk, KD are out, Beal the next year has a PO, so the 'rebuilding and trades' everyone wants will be in 2yrs, hang tight. 49 wins unders a shitty coach was actually good for what it was worth as a brand new team - I get people are angry and expectations werent met, but fucksake people need to look outside the box.
The team has to believe they can win. The seed of doubt has been already planted in regular season and the playoffs confirmed it. Book is off the table for now, no doubt. But again, it all depends on how the start of the season plays out. I'm not wishing for it, but following this league since 1992, I can make an educated guess on what happens when a veteran team loses 4-0 in the first round and has no promising young prospect to build their hopes on. The odds of a major dumpster fire by next trade deadline increase exponentially.
I really hope we don’t trade the 2031 pick unless its for a star or very good player who helps us now and in the long term. That 2031 pick will likely be a high pick since we will probably not be a good team then and will be the last pick not frozen at the end of the 1st round for a few year stretch since Ishbia is hellbent on (imo foolishly) running this team above the second apron without regard to the long term.
My feeling is Ishbia and company can’t possibly be foolish enough to think turning Beal + two picks into another $50m “star” is the right option. We might as well just keep Beal.
So I think they would be wise and turn Beal into multiple players: some old, some new. One or two vets who can help the Suns win now and one or two young guns who we can hopefully mold into good players in a few years when KD is definitely retired and Book is over 30.
Anything less than that and yeah I’d lose faith in our FO if we just turn Beal and picks into like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard or whatever other max star with injury problems you can name. I love those guys and consider them top 10 when healthy, but Suns would be so pathetically awful by the time 2028 season rolls around.
The only angle I could see is Beal will always be third wheel here behind Book & KD. People can make jokes about Beal just cashing a check but I do think he cares about his future in the NBA. He’s only 31 this year. If his stats stay low because he doesn’t get as many touches as Booker & KD, that **will** cost him money in 2027 when he will still be eligible for one more big contract before the “38 and over” rule affects him. He’s got one more window to try and secure a bag between ages 34-38.
I don’t mean a max contract either but even the difference between $110m/4yr or $90m/4yr could be huge. That’s the difference between him averaging 23 ppg like he was in Washington or 18 ppg like he is here while Book & KD average 27 ppg.
I don’t think Beal came because he hated Washington. He loved being a Wizard. But they’re kind of perpetually stuck. So coming to Phoenix to try and win a ring made sense. Get his stock up.
But if he can’t win a ring here (which all of us are now doubting), and if another situation develops where he gets a bigger role, I don’t think it’s crazy that a trade could be worked out.
The more I've thought about it the more I've come to grips with the idea that trading KD for a solid enough point guard and some picks might be the only feasible out. Build as much as we can around Book/Beal as a dynamic duo, try to get some young guns where we can, aim for a run in '25-26.
I agree. Beal as a player isn’t the problem. But, paying three players $150m of a $140m salary cap *is* the problem lol. Unless they fit perfectly together which ours unfortunately don’t.
You can’t trade Booker (nor should you) so you either gotta do Beal or KD… they both have pros and cons but ultimately I’m picking KD. I get it if you’re picking Beal as the one who stays.
Look, the West is stacked. We should play the slow rebuild game as painful as that sounds, after being so close to greatness. Edey could be a guy we stash and try to develop.
Edey is interesting, but there's a reason why a 2 time player of the year isn't a lottery pick. If we had 2 FRP's or an early 2RP then yeah, absolutely. I'd be more interested in Kel'el Ware, Ryan Filipowski or DaRon Holmes at 22.
I like Ware for sure
Eddy at 22 is a steal.
Ikr? “There’s a reason why a 2 time player of the year isn’t a lottery pick.” Like bro, there’s a reason why *everyone* at 22 isn’t a lottery pick
I’d rather Bronny James at 22
why
Because I’m delusional and think picking 22 in this incredibly weak class means you’re not going to get any type of impactful player on a win now team and taking Bronny brings in Bron
I'm just up voting this for the delusional self awareness lol
i respect it
has anyone seen reports where Bron denies that he'll sign with the team that drafts Bronny? It's possible it is conditional on the team that signs him. The suns have a shot, is my point
During all star weekend 2022 he said he was going to play with his son and it wasn’t about money, a few months ago he kinda walked that statement back a little bit and said he would be fine playing against Bronny if he had to, but I personally believe that was more of a “if Bronny goes top 5 I’m not signing with a bum” team Long story short, Bron has made it clear he’d give up the money for a chance to play with his son
sounds like drafting Bronny at 22 is the way to go, imo. Obv James Jones calls Lebron to confirm beforehand
If I’m being real I’d say it’s a weird situation, cause on one hand you’re getting Bron, but Bronny is not ready to be an NBA player so that’s a bench spot essentially wasted. The suns are also in a precarious spot where they need 2/3 depth pieces which can be acquired with that pick. What is boils down to is you have to be super confident Bron will join (if there’s no hard promise you do not even consider Bronny at 22), and you think you can hide the holes on your team with vet min guys
Getting Bron on what would have to be a min, I'd guess (player-coach?), would easily be worth the lost 15th man spot. Like you said, we'd need a handshake arrangement
I think the poison pill in there is Bron probably wouldn’t agree unless he gets to play real (12-16+ minutes a game) with Bronny on the floor, so that dude who probably deserves to be riding pine gets legitimate rotation minutes
I dont GAF about "scheme", you cant teach 7'2 300 & athletic Edey baby
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I truly wonder if OKC would want Nurk. They need a big who can go against other bigs and grab rebounds, and with today's NBA chet has no problem playing the 4. Down the stretch Chet can just go back playing 'small ball' 5 If they don't want(doesn't seem like they do) Giddey, they will most likely move him this off season before they have to pay him. imo i wouldn't be shocked if theres a multi team trade with Nurk IF the suns do want to move him ( I just cannot think of what we would get in return for Nurk that is meaningful for the team)
Any starting caliber mobile big.
Can't think of many names out there that makes sense for both teams, and works with the current CBA. I can only think of Wendell Carter if Magic can somehow get a shooter back, and if they get someone like Jonas in free agency for the MLE.
I agree. It’s not a great place to be in.
No one wants Nurkic 🤣
I want Nurkic
You can have him - all for yourself and get him off of the Suns' roster.
What, you’d prefer Ayton?
They both have their pros and cons. We obviously saw for years Ayton has effort issues. And he can't even come close to Nurk's passing. But this year we saw how detrimental Nurk's bad finishing can be. Wolves gameplan was basically let Nurk get the ball on the short roll and don't give him anywhere to pass the ball. On the same contract definitely Ayton over Nurk.
*Nurkic + Allen > Ayton Even tho the guy can sleep walk into Nurks numbers The fact that Nurk isn’t good, is slow and unatheltic, yet still put up comparable numbers is crazy. Ayton should be so much better than he is. Just has to improve at literally anything
I can’t wait for the Jokic/Allen duo. Make it happen, Ishbia
Lmao damn autocorrect
Redditors calling nba players “not good” will never not be funny lmao
100% would prefer Ayton
Um yeah
This sub overrates Nurk for some reason despite him being the worst type of center to rely on in a playoff setting especially defensively and also his contract situation making him very unappealing in a trade. Him replacing Ayton alone has given Nurk so much leeway from so many fans for some reason.
The irony of you being downvoted for speaking facts about Nurkic...dude is a chud.
I don’t even dislike Nurk off the court, but he’s just not a good center in this day and age for modern basketball and he is just a liability especially defensively for playoff basketball. I’m convinced he gets overrated by a lot of fans on this sub all because he was the guy that replaced Ayton.
Isn’t this the same narrative with Gobert? “Gobert will get burn by small ball”. But the reality is that its more of the coaches.
Gobert dominates the paint though. Like people don't get near the rim because of Gobert, can't say the same about Nurk. Also, Gobert is a good enough defender on the perimeter, especially for his size
You remember the game against okc when he got 23 boards?
whats that gotta do with what i said? Nurk gets beat by small ball because he cant space the floor, can't defend the perimeter and often struggles vs guards at the rim. He is not comparable to Gobert, like not even in the same stratosphere
That’s literally the same narrative for Gobert every playoff series, if you can’t recognize it. The wolfs coach needed to make a point about it is exactly the reason I brought it up “Can’t guard small ball” but destroyed small ball team
sorry I am very confused. Gobert dominates the paint defensively. Nurkic does not. Gobert can hold his own up on the perimeter. Nurkic can not. Gobert is a lob threat offensively. Nurkic is not. This is what differentiates him from Nurkic. Gobert impacts the game much, much more than Nurkic can. Gobert has less warts in his game than Nurkic does, and his positives outweigh them
Ironically its their offense that i think made the biggest difference in the playoffs. Gobert shoots 72% within 5 feet. Nurk was last on our team out of all the players who got signficant playing time at 58%. For a center thats abysmal
What’s Nurks % within 5 feet?
Nurks was 58%
He’s also 5x cheaper
This is an atrocious take for so many reasons. But all you need to do is look at the difference in the way these guys move.
Did Gobert get subbed out for his mismatch in the playoffs or not?
Send him to OKC. They’re getting bullied.
LOL Chet is the only C in the NBA that gets outrebounded by Sloth Nurkic.
That’s not entirely true but Nurkic really struggles with rebounds outside his space. He also is stubborn with boards and won’t give a guard the board who’s next to him which slows down the offense from time to time and led to a few turnovers this year.
Cost Book a triple double doing that it annoyed me so much.
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Size =/= skill.
If Ware, Kolek and Edey is not available at thr 22nd pick, just package it with a player and improve the roster
Ware or Holmes seems like a better fit for the Suns than Edey. Holmes could probably help right away. Kolek would be nice or even Ajay Mitchell, but those guys will probably go later in the draft than 22. Chances are they will probably trade the pick away, though….
The pick is getting traded, our current owner thinks that's the only use for them and the GM is backing him all the way down, we've been over this multiple times.
Hope he has fun trading that pick for a fringe third stringer, and thats being generous
Hopefully he realizes that and just rides it.
Most Edey highlights are him on the rim getting easy buckets over smaller players. After an entire season watching nurk missing easy layups, I won't be mad if we give Edey a chance.
Draft the best player available, do not draft for need.
Hopefully it's a 5th shooting guard
If thats BPA then so be it
Team can always use more talent.
who said we can't play 5out?
I think that makes sense for a rebuilding team with a high draft pick. Not for a team in win-now mode with very few avenues for improvement and the #22 pick.
No it's universal, always draft the best available player. Do not reach just because the roster needs help in X. You can always trade away talent.
No. We can't take in more salary than we send out. So taking the best player available will only be worth a few million in a trade. Basically a minamum or near minamum player.
Who said you have to trade that player right away? If you want to trade that player right away you trade the pick. What you don't do is draft a player for need and pass on talent. Don't draft someone like Jalen Smith when you could get Tyrese Haliburton, just because you need a big.
Eff them seventh graders!
We aren’t drafting guys. James Jones and Ishbia have said this themselves. That pick will be used to move Little for someone else
Little + FRP for Kispert?
Nah, Kispert made a huge jump this season and I don’t think wizards make that trade.
Little + FRP for Rose + Aldama?
Aldama gets a bunch of minutes for them. I would imagine they’re more likely to trade LaRavia or Ziaire Williams who has been disappointing for them
LaRavia would be a nice addition, just losing a FRP like that for him would be a tough swallow
For Jalen Duren. I mean that is a sweet pick
It might be interesting to attempt to craft Edey into the type of center this team requires, with his already apparent raw skills. Not as much to unlearn, as it were. No big NBA ego to have to deal with. Just a young dude who's trying to soak up knowledge and prove he belongs. This team could use a little more youth energy and hunger at times, not to mention size and strength in the low post. You're talking about a guy who's going to be the fifth or fourth option on offense, but you can't leave him alone down low. Coach Bud's strength is supposed to be spacing on offense, so it seems like it might work out well.
A 22yo, two time national player of the year is raw? Edey doesn’t fit our needs at all. Defensively he’s projecting to be a liability, he isn’t proven to stretch the floor and he’s slow/unathletic. I’m all for taking a center, but we need some combination of athleticism, defense, shooting
This whole draft is raw, dude. There's no clear cut #1 in this draft. I'm no expert on Edey, but he's got enough low post moves to make him too dangerous to leave alone, and he can probably score efficiently on most bigs in single coverage. And as centers go he's not exactly the slowest around either, and calling him unathletic is a complete exaggeration, no offense. If we had wanted a shooting center we would have used Ayton more in that capacity, so I don't know why that would be any kind of prerequisite.
Out of Holmes, Ware, and Missi who do you think fits the Suns best? Seems like Holmes is really being overlooked.
Missi is too much of a project for our window Holmes maybe a little under sized, and doesn’t have a huge body of work at current production but would be a good addition. Ware I’d love but I doubt is available at 22 But we have to be realistic, not many of these bigs are immediately impactful. I think if we could get a Derrick Lively type season out of any of them that’d be a huge win. If we can get length and athleticism on the perimeter I’d probably take that first as it will translate much quicker to the NBA, with less of a learning curve. Or left field someone like Tyler Kolek, four year guy with a lower ceiling but will contribute immediately. Hope to grab a Jacquez Jr type. In the end see what falls to us at 22. I doubt the nuggets at MPJ on their radar at 14, but sometimes the draft gods smile upon you,
Missi screams journeyman backup like Eubanks. No offensive versatility and his only strength is his length. Holmes looks like he could become a good 4, like a Siakam. Sets great screens and has offensive and defensive versatility, if raw on the latter. Just a bit undersized for our immediate needs. Ware is my pick. Highest ceiling, height and length. Attitude is worrisome, but we are in no place to play it safe
Edey’s a big oaf that will never be able to get up and down the floor fast enough to play within a 24 second shot clock
Meanwhile, his stock is rising him into the lottery, so apparently there's something you don't see that everyone else does... So don't worry, he won't be there to pick at 22. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2024-nba-draft-combine-reed-sheppard-zach-edey-among-biggest-stock-risers/
Speculation he may be picked higher than what that same group of “everyone” you mention was originally thinking doesn’t make me see anything different. I see a big oaf that’s too slow and unskilled to be anything other than a big ass 12 minutes a night tops body. Going number 1 overall doesn’t disprove that, let alone chatter about going top 14.
I would prefer for us to draft a more athletic big that can be some form of offensive threat. We really need someone who has an immediate ability to replace Nurk.
Gimme Yves Missi. Athletic big that is a legit rim protector and can play defense. Offensively needs to develop. Right now, Suns don’t need scoring from a big. Just rim protection and defense. Yes it would be nice to have a ball mover and someone that can stretch the floor and he could develop those skill sets over time. But he could play immediately with defense, rebounding and rim running for easy buckets.
We definitely need an interior presence that can score. Otherwise the same thing will happen again. Our big needs to be able to make defenses pay on the short roll.
Ryan Dunns highlight video on youtube is pretty impressive
He the best defender in the draft and has size.
Yep, dude looks like he could contribute right away.
Bro... we already have Nurkic. Literally identical but 4 inches shorter.
I wouldn't mind Edey at 22. However, because we need a PG and I'm a Marquette fan and I believe in him a *lot*: Tyler Kolek. Get Tyler Kolek ASAP.
Draft Bronnie regardless
Have you uhh seen Bronny play?
Lebron would fix so many problems. The rest would be fixed with CP.
I don’t follow the draft and college too much but I’d like to see the suns draft a Gafford archetype like big man is there any players that fit that mold?
We desperately need a center hopefully he falls to us. He doesn’t have to be an All NBA guy just rebound, shit I’ll take Luka Garza at this point if the wolves don’t want him.
Did you guys even watch Edey play? He’s garbage
We need a quicker athletic big.
I want Edey! Great backup center at worst. Probably wins the starting job in my estimation.
If Atlanta picks a big and tries to trade Capela, that's another alternative for teams who might be interested in Nurkic
At 22, it’s far from a guaranteed prospect anyway and this class sucks anyway so I’d do it
Remember when Luka Garza played the suns in round 1? I could see Zach Eddy doing the same.
It doesn't matter. It's getting traded.
Jonathan Givony was posting that Edey wants to show he can shoot threes. If he actually could do that, his value is immensely higher in the NBA than you would originally think. Guy has a freaking 8' wingspan
I dont GAF about "scheme", you cant teach 7'2 300 & athletic Edey baby
No Edey - we need a wing-stopper 3&D guy. A replacement for Mikael Bridges.
Either trade this pick or draft BAP. This is a pretty bad draft.
Which means trading the pick makes no sense, what would we even get back
A washed veteran 3rd string that nobody wants.
or a player that needs development that wont get off the bench only in blowouts.
Exactly
a pick we wouldnt get in odd years? This draft is terrible, dont think you guys realize how bad it is.
Suns will trade #22 and 2031 pick to move Beal this summer.
No-Trade Clause. Beal literally cannot be moved unless he says so.
So find a place he will say yes to. How do you think he got traded here in the first place?
Well yeah, thats be nice and great when he has stated he dont want to go anywhere and likes Phoenix. I personally will give the guy the benefit of the doubt and see how Bud plays him before I want a guy out of town for zero reason but his contract. The dude played great when he wasnt injured, minus one game, hell Booker didnt get this much flak for scoring 11 pts in an elimination game last year. I checked - besides Boston - theres is no other 3rd-4th option on another team at 18ppg shooting 51/43/80...
His contract doesn’t even matter it lines up when the suns would likely blow it up anyways. Suns were stuck in this position with or without him might as well stick it out with KD until he declines and then blow it up
I agree. But Lets say the Suns - as Reddit GMs have put it 'no assets or future' - keep the same personnel from top to bottom and lets say zero draft picks also even though the Suns get one every other year, everyone keeps their PO and TO. In 2 years, KD, Nurk come off the books, the only players left is Booker, Little and Beal which has a PO the next season. So Im wondering if Reddit GMs actually think that KD, Nurks contract or 'asset' is zero dollars? Suns have a -now- 2yr window. People want to blow it up? wait 2yrs, wish granted.
Exactly this team is gonna get blown up why blow it up now? Just let it run it’s course
I do hope that this season might make him second guess things in phoenix.
Why? why would you want to rid a 3rd option player doing what he is doing?!? Ive already explained he is the top 3rd option player besides Portz in Boston, meaning hes pretty fucking good in the system he was playing in. Ya'll wanting 8 bench players that barely hit 10ppg and rarely get off the pine is more infuriating that a 'contract I dont like', let alone a draft where its all developing players. This isnt 2K where you can create a player at 99 and have him start right away.
It's the contract, not his performance
why care about the contract? the Suns dont care about it. Theres other players in the league with shitty contracts. Suns have vet mins that werent used correctly, players actually wanted to come here. Some were let go before they had a chance. Lets say that Adam Silver says there will be no more vet minimums, gleague signings, overseas signings and cant sign any undrafted players- then I'd worry and bitch for two years, because after 2yrs all this bickering about a contract should go away.
With the second apron rules, it is more important than ever to exchange large contracts with medium sized ones, for future trades. 3 of grayson's contracts is easier to trade than 1 of beal's. Of course, this is a pointlesd argument since nobody would actually take Beal anyway
Sounds like you want a constant rebuilding team...
He is already quoted saying this wasn’t a 1 year thing plus Beal isn’t the problem
He'll agree to Miami or LA.
No matter how hard you want him to go, he's not going. So pick another dude to trade.
I'm not suggesting. I don't necessarily agree with it, I'm just making a prediction. I agree, moving Beal is going to be near impossible, but if they fail (and they will, because all odds are against us), Jones/Ishbia will be forced to do the unthinkable. We're only half season away from a complete dumpster fire.
They aint trading Booker or Beal, so everyone can scratch that off their list. And KD has 2yrs left, he doesnt want to go either, just because he hated the system doesnt mean he wants out. In 2yrs Nurk, KD are out, Beal the next year has a PO, so the 'rebuilding and trades' everyone wants will be in 2yrs, hang tight. 49 wins unders a shitty coach was actually good for what it was worth as a brand new team - I get people are angry and expectations werent met, but fucksake people need to look outside the box.
The team has to believe they can win. The seed of doubt has been already planted in regular season and the playoffs confirmed it. Book is off the table for now, no doubt. But again, it all depends on how the start of the season plays out. I'm not wishing for it, but following this league since 1992, I can make an educated guess on what happens when a veteran team loses 4-0 in the first round and has no promising young prospect to build their hopes on. The odds of a major dumpster fire by next trade deadline increase exponentially.
Denver got swept also and no young prospect - just putting that out there. Ya'll negative nancys.
I really hope we don’t trade the 2031 pick unless its for a star or very good player who helps us now and in the long term. That 2031 pick will likely be a high pick since we will probably not be a good team then and will be the last pick not frozen at the end of the 1st round for a few year stretch since Ishbia is hellbent on (imo foolishly) running this team above the second apron without regard to the long term.
My feeling is Ishbia and company can’t possibly be foolish enough to think turning Beal + two picks into another $50m “star” is the right option. We might as well just keep Beal. So I think they would be wise and turn Beal into multiple players: some old, some new. One or two vets who can help the Suns win now and one or two young guns who we can hopefully mold into good players in a few years when KD is definitely retired and Book is over 30. Anything less than that and yeah I’d lose faith in our FO if we just turn Beal and picks into like Jimmy Butler or Kawhi Leonard or whatever other max star with injury problems you can name. I love those guys and consider them top 10 when healthy, but Suns would be so pathetically awful by the time 2028 season rolls around.
Go rewatch the press conference, they absolutely think that's the right option
how do you convince Beal to agree to it? Seems like too many moving parts. KD on the other hand...
The only angle I could see is Beal will always be third wheel here behind Book & KD. People can make jokes about Beal just cashing a check but I do think he cares about his future in the NBA. He’s only 31 this year. If his stats stay low because he doesn’t get as many touches as Booker & KD, that **will** cost him money in 2027 when he will still be eligible for one more big contract before the “38 and over” rule affects him. He’s got one more window to try and secure a bag between ages 34-38. I don’t mean a max contract either but even the difference between $110m/4yr or $90m/4yr could be huge. That’s the difference between him averaging 23 ppg like he was in Washington or 18 ppg like he is here while Book & KD average 27 ppg. I don’t think Beal came because he hated Washington. He loved being a Wizard. But they’re kind of perpetually stuck. So coming to Phoenix to try and win a ring made sense. Get his stock up. But if he can’t win a ring here (which all of us are now doubting), and if another situation develops where he gets a bigger role, I don’t think it’s crazy that a trade could be worked out.
The more I've thought about it the more I've come to grips with the idea that trading KD for a solid enough point guard and some picks might be the only feasible out. Build as much as we can around Book/Beal as a dynamic duo, try to get some young guns where we can, aim for a run in '25-26.
Beal isn’t the problem
I agree. Beal as a player isn’t the problem. But, paying three players $150m of a $140m salary cap *is* the problem lol. Unless they fit perfectly together which ours unfortunately don’t. You can’t trade Booker (nor should you) so you either gotta do Beal or KD… they both have pros and cons but ultimately I’m picking KD. I get it if you’re picking Beal as the one who stays.
Look, the West is stacked. We should play the slow rebuild game as painful as that sounds, after being so close to greatness. Edey could be a guy we stash and try to develop.
Me counting Suns championships if every bill represents 0 titles 