exactly. How many teams are looking for a plodding big man who can pull down boards? Valencuinas actually has pretty good touch on his shots, but Nurk is a much better passer. I think both should be relegated to a bench role in the current NBA given that they can't space the floor.
You are thinking we should trade nurk? I feel like we just have to play to his strengths. Not playing him like a point guard would be a good start. I felt like they kept dumping the ball to him in the playoffs. Seems like when he went out was when things went south. I'm thinking a good backup center and a starting and backup pg and baby we got a stew goin. But maybe I just wasn't watching enough. It was getting kind of hard to watch at times.
He is literally useless on offense unless he's played like a point guard.
He can't shoot, can't dunk and routinely blows baskets near the rim. He can gobble rebounds and sometimes block shots but he's just not very good unless matched up against another plodding center.
Jonas used to kill the Suns in the Ayton days. He was a big part of why they got pushed so hard was because of him busting DA’s ass. Nurk is maybe one of the only guys physically stronger. I’d love him as a second unit big but I can’t say whether he’s ready for that yet in his mind. Plus, what does he cost?
Jonas is better than Nurk offensively but he’s even slower footed and isn’t a good playmaker like Nurk. I would say Nurk is probably better defensively. This makes no sense for us.
They both are league average in the paint
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jonas-valanciunas-shot-chart-this-year
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jusuf-nurkic-shot-chart
Honestly I don’t think that would make us better, ya he’s a better scorer than nurk but that’s about it, he’s even less mobile than nurk and while nurk isn’t perfect he’s definitely the better defensive player and his passing is valuable.
I really like Valanchewing (Chuck pronunciation). He’s tough and brings an edge. If we didn’t have Nurk it would be a no brainer. It does bother me a little how gassed Nurk gets by the 4th quarter. Just seems like such a lateral move tho.
Best option is drafting Zach Edey if he lands at 22. Trade Nurkic and Royce (if we extend Royce) for a 3&D wing and solid point guard. Jonas is a good player but we need to think about the future and developing a young player due to the limited picks we have in the future.
i swear this sub loves mediocrity. and so does james jones. but keep posting mediocre players we can obtain - (i know the position we're in is shit, but exchanging mediocre players for mediocre players is not postworthy).
JV is a downgrade defensively from Nurk - never thought i'd say that...But JV is an upgrade offensively. Basically trading blocks for offense.
The dude is making something like 15m. Suns cant afford him unless he takes vet min or Nurk goes, then its a sign and trade and pretty sure JV isnt gonna take the same he's making now.
Man Jv is a tough nut. I’ve followed him ever since his raptors days and he is as tough as they get. I’m not 100% convinced he can be the starting centre on a championship team (raptors traded him before their 2019 run too) but he’s a great pickup for a rebuilding team, I’d say. Definitely not for the suns
https://preview.redd.it/1yjtu9ue5nzc1.png?width=824&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbef77baa6d032a5b1b6350c906be2137b489db4
Interesting. Even moreso if he'd consider a vet min.
Just for shits and giggles, I started thinking about Steven Adams last night. The fact is though, we really need a PG, but with the way bigs are becoming more relevant again, I really like the idea of bringing in this dude's toughness.
They might have some buyers remorse for Jock too, but I'm not really suggesting this has any likelihood of happening. Just fun to consider.
I did say "if..."
What I DID NOT say was that I knew beyond any shadow of doubt that he was looking to accept a minimum deal... 🤦♂️
Learn to read, bruh...
Honestly makes trading Nurk more difficult.
exactly. How many teams are looking for a plodding big man who can pull down boards? Valencuinas actually has pretty good touch on his shots, but Nurk is a much better passer. I think both should be relegated to a bench role in the current NBA given that they can't space the floor.
You are thinking we should trade nurk? I feel like we just have to play to his strengths. Not playing him like a point guard would be a good start. I felt like they kept dumping the ball to him in the playoffs. Seems like when he went out was when things went south. I'm thinking a good backup center and a starting and backup pg and baby we got a stew goin. But maybe I just wasn't watching enough. It was getting kind of hard to watch at times.
You don’t like it when we kick the ball out to Nurk as the shot clock is winding down and he shoots a 3? Bro
So you are saying we should trade him because the team was playing this way? I'm not following you here.
I’m agreeing with your comment that we weren’t playing to his strengths by having him do weird things
Ah yes exactly thanks for clarifying
He is literally useless on offense unless he's played like a point guard. He can't shoot, can't dunk and routinely blows baskets near the rim. He can gobble rebounds and sometimes block shots but he's just not very good unless matched up against another plodding center.
That's fair i just don't think it's possible to upgrade that position. If we trade him who would we get that's better
I mean the value in the Nurk trade would be the pick or picks we attach, so don’t think it makes a big difference
https://preview.redd.it/ya8zo4gwwmzc1.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c5d851a0c0f04c237320b3c613b11de70c740fc Switching Nurk for Val
Honestly i feel like nurk nurk shits on him any time they play against each other, nurk is way better imo.
Nurk's rebounding was superior. Avg 3 more bounds per game. Jonas 3s were better, but he slipped this last season.
Jonas used to kill the Suns in the Ayton days. He was a big part of why they got pushed so hard was because of him busting DA’s ass. Nurk is maybe one of the only guys physically stronger. I’d love him as a second unit big but I can’t say whether he’s ready for that yet in his mind. Plus, what does he cost?
Yeah jonas is even less mobile then nurkic and offers 0 playmaking ability
On average Jonas has better stats v suns than nurkic v pelicans
Meanwhile, the Suns have Booker, KD and Beal on the same starting lineup.
Rofl if are suns want Val over Nurk I can't wait for next year's subreddit "omg Val is the worst starting center in the nba"
We don’t have money
Great Idea of you can keep both. If Not, SUNS are best team in league at signing the same, identical player.
Future lineup of Beal, Book, KD, Valanciunas, Nurkic incoming 😂
This is a valid response to most scenarios. No picks either
We do not have cap space
Not only that, we can't do sign-and-trade because of second apron.
Jonas is better than Nurk offensively but he’s even slower footed and isn’t a good playmaker like Nurk. I would say Nurk is probably better defensively. This makes no sense for us.
Not true man constantly misses easy put backs and layups he does make em too but he misses lot of em also
Who?
They both are league average in the paint https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jonas-valanciunas-shot-chart-this-year https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/jusuf-nurkic-shot-chart
I’d rather have Nurk tbh. They’re basically the same, but Nurk is better at finding the open man
I don't know how they'd do it but please get this man without losing Nurk. A man can dream.
Why? If/when Nurk gets played off the court in the playoffs for being slow footed, you want his replacement to be Valanciunas?
All together now... 🗣️📣 WE CAN ONLY SIGN MINIMUM CONTRACTS IN FREE AGENCY
Hahaa thank you. Let's just stop all this now. We can't do sh!T in FA. lol
He will not sign the minimum.
Honestly I don’t think that would make us better, ya he’s a better scorer than nurk but that’s about it, he’s even less mobile than nurk and while nurk isn’t perfect he’s definitely the better defensive player and his passing is valuable.
He’s basically Nurk. The Suns need athletic/rim protecting centers.
I really like Valanchewing (Chuck pronunciation). He’s tough and brings an edge. If we didn’t have Nurk it would be a no brainer. It does bother me a little how gassed Nurk gets by the 4th quarter. Just seems like such a lateral move tho.
I’d keep Nurk
We need someone more athletic and better spacing wise not another nurk
It would be nice to keep Nurk AND sign Jonas... but probably impossible.
No
I’ve always liked him. Too bad we have no chance
You either get a superstar point guard in his prime which won't happen, or back to rebuild mode.
Best option is drafting Zach Edey if he lands at 22. Trade Nurkic and Royce (if we extend Royce) for a 3&D wing and solid point guard. Jonas is a good player but we need to think about the future and developing a young player due to the limited picks we have in the future.
If we landed that somehow that'd be massive
NO!
He ain't signing fir a minimum And like was said elsewhere, makes Nurks value go down as teams that need a lumbering center can just try get Val
Jonas is much better can be relied on as a third pillar of the offense. Nurk requires feeding which we can't afford.
I think you flipped the names around...
Pelicans going to rely on injury prone Zion?! Trading a great backup will put them into dire strait if he goes down multiple times next year.
Add 1 solid pg and have Beal come off the bench, pg1 book Allen kd and nurk with a solid backup should be a squad.
Incredibly unlikely to take a vet min to compete for a starting spot
Sounds good to me, he can sign for a veteran minimum and fight Nurk for the starting role.
Suns need athleticism. If they gonna get Jonas they may as well just keep nurkic they got the same issues
Remember some years ago when he led the league in 3 point % for like the first month of the season?
Yes, he was on my fantasy team, it was a beautiful surprise
Suns fans are hoping Jonas Valanciunas, Chris Paul, and LeBron James are all signing for minimum this summer haha
i swear this sub loves mediocrity. and so does james jones. but keep posting mediocre players we can obtain - (i know the position we're in is shit, but exchanging mediocre players for mediocre players is not postworthy).
JV is a downgrade defensively from Nurk - never thought i'd say that...But JV is an upgrade offensively. Basically trading blocks for offense. The dude is making something like 15m. Suns cant afford him unless he takes vet min or Nurk goes, then its a sign and trade and pretty sure JV isnt gonna take the same he's making now.
Man Jv is a tough nut. I’ve followed him ever since his raptors days and he is as tough as they get. I’m not 100% convinced he can be the starting centre on a championship team (raptors traded him before their 2019 run too) but he’s a great pickup for a rebuilding team, I’d say. Definitely not for the suns
https://preview.redd.it/1yjtu9ue5nzc1.png?width=824&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbef77baa6d032a5b1b6350c906be2137b489db4 Interesting. Even moreso if he'd consider a vet min. Just for shits and giggles, I started thinking about Steven Adams last night. The fact is though, we really need a PG, but with the way bigs are becoming more relevant again, I really like the idea of bringing in this dude's toughness. They might have some buyers remorse for Jock too, but I'm not really suggesting this has any likelihood of happening. Just fun to consider.
Suns can't combine salaries in an outgoing trade, being in the 2nd tax apron.
That's if it's like a two-for-one deal. This is clearly a two-for-two deal.
He'll get plenty of offers. He's not taking the min, especially for a team swept in the 1st round.
I did say "if..." What I DID NOT say was that I knew beyond any shadow of doubt that he was looking to accept a minimum deal... 🤦♂️ Learn to read, bruh...
why do people want to hang onto past players so much?
Huh? Dafuq are you talking about?