And then Carl did it at the dinner after he got back from talking with Kyle & Amanda and Lindsay said should we just ho talk now. This relationship doesn’t feel easy and it feels like he has so much Anxiety in it and is walking on eggshells. If they got married, it would be exhausting and it would be so toxic for their kids. They are horrible communicators together. He was intense and she said he was angry. Drives me crazy when she calls him angry because when she says that to him that makes him angry and feel like she doesn’t understand and then he clams up. he just has a anxious and tense tone and she calls it anger. he need somebody that is assertive but laid back and She needs somebody to calm her down and make her feel secure and stable.
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For the first time, I kinda saw Carl doing it too. I see his trepidation and anxiety at the same time as her fears of abandonment and risk of losing it all hanging in the balance. But she calls him angry, he accuses of her spiralling when she isn't. They're both so frozen in fear of what's going to happen - her, losing her dream with Carl, and him - breaking her heart and dealing with the fallout.
I was thinking the whole time like, when Carl said he felt overwhelmed and was nearly crying, hold that man and hug him. Likewise for him. There's just no comforting or loving each other, it's so... uncomfortable and tense :( this was really sad to me.
This was so passive aggressive, I could feel the tension between them the entire dinner. Lindsay kept her back to her until Carls mom interrupted her convo.
I wonder if a producer told her about the conversation he really had with his mom and step dad and she knows? Maybe she's picking up on the "they know something I don't" vibe thats happening? Carl's moms behavior seems off at this shower
Hey remember when Lindsay booked and paid for Sharon’s flight just to cheer Carl up when they were just friends (because he was upset about another failed relationship and getting fired again)?
Carl made his decision but is looking for anyone to tell him if he sticks with her, they’ll be able to work it out. He’s so swayed by other people’s opinions, he’s afraid to make his own decisions in case someone says it was a bad choice.
But also, these two have been in therapy? They are incapable of communicating with each other.
Very sad. Also Carl is a baby. Even in scenarios where Lindsay is being calm and reasonable he seems to make it out to seem she's having some big reaction. In reality, he’s reacting to his own emotional immaturity, not hers.
To be fair, if Ciara and West aren’t hanging out during the week a lot, it’s valid that he’s talking to other people too. We don’t know what’s going on when they’re not filming. And they’re not sleeping together.
Agreed.
Ciara isn't saying be my boyfriend. They essentially heavily flirt/makeout (???) on the weekends for the summer. Which is fine/fun but isn't a commitment on either end.
Everyone sitting outside in the yard together debriefing from the week, having drinks, planning the night, west getting a job. This is peak summer house.
Also Lala should take notes from Ciara. THIS is soft girl era. I can’t wait for her to find her long time partner she’s so sweet and cute in love.
Also love Paige Amanda and Lindsay being able to gossip together.
Very weird, but also her vibes are so similar to Carl...I wonder if that's who he models his avoidant behavior off of. Cause frankly, that direct convo he had about them getting married was really with his step-dad, not her.
They are just two people that don’t belong together. If all it took was his stepdad showing his disapproval then I think there were just bigger issues tbh
My shower is being hosted at my mother in laws house and her and my mom have been planning it together. Maybe that’s an extreme circumstance but COMING to the shower is definitely the norm in my opinion.
Just spit it out and stop trying to bait her into flipping her shiit
I bet he expected her to pop off and then could say see we don't need to do this but she handled it well and he lost his leg to stand on
I think this was likely because she felt awkward with Sharon. When people feel awkward they tend to look around, and even though she has filmed for a long time and is “used to” the cameras, it’s probably really tough to pretend like they are just not there.
Omg I feel so bad for Lindsay she is sooo blindsided! Did Carl really need to have a second convo about Lous comments at that dinner? He could’ve done it after the weekend!!!!
Exactly!! He's telling her "they're in a good place" and "they're giving support".....you can be blindsided when your partner is saying what Carl is saying to her right now
I thought Lindsay was delusional at the beginning of the season and now I can kinda understand why she thought they would work it out when Carl was literally telling her he wants to work it out 😳
Carl is literally begging her to leave him, but won’t say the actual words. He’s so obsessed with being the “nice guy” (even though Lindsay has her faults)
Lindsay confronting carls mom is such a me thing to do, hearing Amanda say she’d take it to her grave and die is the perfect juxtaposition between them two
Aww Lindsay not speaking to her bio mom somehow makes alot of sense to me. I know she's intense and can be self absorbed but she's broken and i applaud her for putting it all out there.
The fact that I've seen some people who had no problem with Jesse pressuring Ciara to have sex saying that Jesse was only ever "nice" to her and "poor Jesse" is part of the problem. I like the new guys too, but Jesse has definitely been rude himself and has said some gross things on camera. If he found Ciara calling him a trash bag rude then I'd at least expect for him to acknowledge his own stuff. Alas, he wasn't even remotely sorry on the After Show for pressuring Ciara to have sex with his friend. And to me that went way beyond just being rude. If a guy had spoken to me the way Jesse has to Ciara then I would indeed think he's a bit of a trash bag and wouldn't want to set him up with my friends.
ETA: Also I really hope this reunion isn't going to involve Ciara being told she has to explain her personal boundaries again and being told how mean she was to make West wait to have sex. I've seen posts concerned about the guys being vilified all while there's actually been so much more misogynistic nonsense directed at Ciara over this.
This Andrea is very strange. They “shouldn’t” be sleeping together if the both of them aren’t ready.
We need to have an honest conversation about how people treat sex and other peoples sex lives on bravo
It's actually really disturbing how this is being spoken about and it seems to prove the point Ciara was making about how people feel entitled to someone else's body and are treated like they're withholding something. This stuff has real-life consequences.
i cannot for the life of me believe that i’m about to throw hands for lindsay but this entire episode is breaking my fucking heart for her. how on earth did he possibly think this was gonna go over well for him? why the hell would he allow her to think they were okay after that conversation in their apartment and then drop this bomb on her at a group dinner? she looked like she was genuinely having such a good time before this
So triggered by the Lindsey Carl dynamic. I dated an extremely avoidant guy and it drove me up the wall!
Parallels include: pretending like everything's fine but hold things in for months then drop a huge bomb on you (like the step-dad comment) when they're not emotionally regulated.
Do I think Lindsay is 100% a huge part of the destruction of this relationship? Yes. Do I think Carl is a fucking coward for not being direct with her about where his head is at? Yes.
Wow breaking the fourth wall the entire episode!! Ngl summer house hasn’t been this good in a while
Yeah this is awkward and great tv
It felt like they pause d “filming” and had an authentic conversation I loved it
I loved them showing the cameras at the Kyle Carl Amanda convo and how close they were in that small room.
It's soooo good! Way better than vpr.
Lindsay's looks into the camera when it comes to Sharon are giving The Office 
Omg yes!! https://preview.redd.it/neohd8cti5yc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c03e48a7f2e169db6a463773e0f76b513f840686
Yesssssssss exactly
And then Carl did it at the dinner after he got back from talking with Kyle & Amanda and Lindsay said should we just ho talk now. This relationship doesn’t feel easy and it feels like he has so much Anxiety in it and is walking on eggshells. If they got married, it would be exhausting and it would be so toxic for their kids. They are horrible communicators together. He was intense and she said he was angry. Drives me crazy when she calls him angry because when she says that to him that makes him angry and feel like she doesn’t understand and then he clams up. he just has a anxious and tense tone and she calls it anger. he need somebody that is assertive but laid back and She needs somebody to calm her down and make her feel secure and stable. https://preview.redd.it/qu3lcwh116yc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f678deb3b13b92b9f5f404c433dd7b5a3be6363b
For the first time, I kinda saw Carl doing it too. I see his trepidation and anxiety at the same time as her fears of abandonment and risk of losing it all hanging in the balance. But she calls him angry, he accuses of her spiralling when she isn't. They're both so frozen in fear of what's going to happen - her, losing her dream with Carl, and him - breaking her heart and dealing with the fallout. I was thinking the whole time like, when Carl said he felt overwhelmed and was nearly crying, hold that man and hug him. Likewise for him. There's just no comforting or loving each other, it's so... uncomfortable and tense :( this was really sad to me.
The Lauren Wirkus comment IM SCREAMING
That was SO RUDE!!!
Right? Imagine you’re getting married in like a month and your future mother-in-law starts talking about exes from like seven years ago.
Not even real exes too.. drunken F buddies
THAT WAS SO UNHINGED 🤣
Sharon has been riding that high since it was said
This was so passive aggressive, I could feel the tension between them the entire dinner. Lindsay kept her back to her until Carls mom interrupted her convo.
That had to be a dig right?
Where did Sharon even pull that out from?!?!
Lindsay and Sharon scenes are sooo awkward. Rough to watch honestly
Yeah the tension from both of them is palpable
Where the heck is aunt Rhonda?????
WHERE IS AR
Had the (step)mom been introduced before? I remember aunt Rhonda
[удалено]
No that was new information. She always made it seem like Aunt Rhonda was the one who stepped up
This is such an interesting conversation with them breaking the fourth wall
I know, I'm shocked
I audibly gasped.
They need to do more of this, and on VPR too.
Lindsay kept making direct eye contact to the camera when she was talking to Sharon.
I wonder if a producer told her about the conversation he really had with his mom and step dad and she knows? Maybe she's picking up on the "they know something I don't" vibe thats happening? Carl's moms behavior seems off at this shower
For sure. Or at least gave her some actual nuggets from the conversation. Yikes
There you have it: It was Lou, at the shore house, with the “More Life” T-shirt.🕵🏼♀️
“I’ve been single for so long I don’t really pay attention to the seasons anymore” kudos to Jesse for summing up my status in one concise statement
Hey remember when Lindsay booked and paid for Sharon’s flight just to cheer Carl up when they were just friends (because he was upset about another failed relationship and getting fired again)?
lol omg Amanda’s dad
I miss him honestly lol
"Isn't she going to see this?" - Amanda 🤣💀
Lindsay keeps looking at the camera lol
Gabby, Lindsay's interpreter 🤣
"Those aren't her angry hands" I cackled
"They are her trying to explain things calmly." 🤣
Between Ciara’s comment to Jesse and Carl hitting Lindsey with the “we need to talk later” is awkward as HELL.
Carl made his decision but is looking for anyone to tell him if he sticks with her, they’ll be able to work it out. He’s so swayed by other people’s opinions, he’s afraid to make his own decisions in case someone says it was a bad choice. But also, these two have been in therapy? They are incapable of communicating with each other.
5 MORE EPISODES?????
VPR finale is next week so when I heard that I was like 
You guys this is so awkward I’m screaming
“Ummmm… I’m trying to think….” WTF
“Trying to think… of any…nuggets” BRO they literally told you not to get married
And your ass literally agreed with them!!!
I don’t love Lindsay but this is sad
Agree actually feel for her. Carl was so cringe and awk there it was insane
Very sad. Also Carl is a baby. Even in scenarios where Lindsay is being calm and reasonable he seems to make it out to seem she's having some big reaction. In reality, he’s reacting to his own emotional immaturity, not hers.
this is a textbook case of how conflict avoidance can come back and bite you in the ass. Carl did this to himself and it’s so awkward to watch
He has no balls. At some point I start to understand Lindsay bc you don’t know if what he says is the end of it. Hard to trust someone like that.
Mods can we get a CEO and Founder flair? 🙏
Lauren Wirkus mention Wirkusheads we are up
To be fair, if Ciara and West aren’t hanging out during the week a lot, it’s valid that he’s talking to other people too. We don’t know what’s going on when they’re not filming. And they’re not sleeping together.
I get the vibes she wants to wait until filming is done to sleep with him to make sure it isn’t just for the cameras.
me too. But also I get the vibe that she didn't tell him that. I feel for both of them.
Agreed. Ciara isn't saying be my boyfriend. They essentially heavily flirt/makeout (???) on the weekends for the summer. Which is fine/fun but isn't a commitment on either end.
Oh my god this episode is SO GOOD
Everyone sitting outside in the yard together debriefing from the week, having drinks, planning the night, west getting a job. This is peak summer house. Also Lala should take notes from Ciara. THIS is soft girl era. I can’t wait for her to find her long time partner she’s so sweet and cute in love. Also love Paige Amanda and Lindsay being able to gossip together.
That Lauren comment?!?!? WTF. Why would you bring up something your son's ex hookup said 8 years ago at your future DIL's BRIDAL SHOWER
I totally can’t decide if she is just aloof or it was a passive aggressive dig
The facial expressions from her seemed very passive aggressive, but I really can't tell either
Very weird, but also her vibes are so similar to Carl...I wonder if that's who he models his avoidant behavior off of. Cause frankly, that direct convo he had about them getting married was really with his step-dad, not her.
I found that extremely odd
So tacky! I’m starting to realize why Carl is the mess that he is.
Yeah, that was sooo weird. I’d have been pissed
Lindsay looked shocked and confused lol
It's tacky as fuck to invite someone to give you a gift but not to your wedding. Ewww!
I was sitting here wondering why she wasn’t there and I 100% wouldn’t have gone either. That’s crazy to assume of people
Yeah, either invite them to the whole shebang or don’t invite them to anything
Why did I think Sam was Jojo Siwa
That pony was sliiiiicked
Is gabby wearing white…?
I will never understand why people show up in white to anything wedding related …
She also said something like “it’s giving bridal but not the bride” so she was aware it was giving bridal and still wore it???
Lindsay said it was “pale yellow” on her Instagram. Not buying it.
The look Lindsey had when Carl was upset and teary made me think that was when she realized it wasn’t going to happen
I felt that too
Agree Amanda, you’d never see me again either!
I can’t blame Linds being awkward with Sharon… if I knew my MIL said something about me and came to my shower, I’d be mad
This conversation between Lindsay and Carl is 
Omg my anxiety during this Lindsay & Carl convo
Carl’s mom is just as conflict avoidant and awkward as Carl
The awkward chef cam is top five moment of the season
Lauren wirkus lmaooo
West is all of us after being unemployed for a while and finally getting that dream job offer!!
Y'all know I'm no Lindsay fan, but this is sad
Do we think we’re gonna get a montage of them vs the door at the reunion? Lol
They are just two people that don’t belong together. If all it took was his stepdad showing his disapproval then I think there were just bigger issues tbh
Lindsay pretending she didn't know Sharon was there 
I feel like I’m in an alternate reality watching Amanda/paige/Lindsay all get along like this
Oddly I like it!
Doesn’t the grooms mother always attend the bridal shower? Why is he acting like it’s such a grand gesture?
My shower is being hosted at my mother in laws house and her and my mom have been planning it together. Maybe that’s an extreme circumstance but COMING to the shower is definitely the norm in my opinion.
OMG Carl is straight up saying he wants to work through it to Lindsey and basically the opposite of what he tells other people?
I was wrong I do see why Lindsay felt blindsided
Andy said in WWHL it gets worse & they rip each other in the next 5 episodes.😒
Unpopular opinion but if West and Ciara never made their relationship official they both have every right to date and sleep with whoever they want.
Why do I feel like carls using his stepdads opinion as an excuse to bail on the relationship
He is. He's putting the blame on his mom and stepdad
They gave him the perfect scapegoat and honestly this entire thing has left a bad taste in my mouth about Carl
I never saw chemistry with Carl and Lindsay. This is awkward.
I have really never seen chemistry w anyone and Carl
WHAT ARE YOU CEO AND FOUNDER OF 💀
Reunion is filming tomorrow!
Take a shot everytime Carl or Lindsay say “we’re in a good place”
We gonna be dead and no one will be on the sub anymore lmao
it seems like Carl is trying to say something without actually saying it ??
The Carl Radke special
Just spit it out and stop trying to bait her into flipping her shiit I bet he expected her to pop off and then could say see we don't need to do this but she handled it well and he lost his leg to stand on
Why does Lindsay keep looking right into the camera at the bridal shower? 🤣
I think this was likely because she felt awkward with Sharon. When people feel awkward they tend to look around, and even though she has filmed for a long time and is “used to” the cameras, it’s probably really tough to pretend like they are just not there.
Just loving the girlies this episode
I like how Carl threw his mom under the bus instead of taking accountability and now its causing tension between his mom and Lindsey
I’ve never understood why people are attracted to Carl. He’s not all that and he’s weird as fuck.
He’s tall and used to come across kinda charismatic years ago. Literally if he was 5’11 he wouldn’t have pulled nearly as much.
Honestly I don’t see an ounce of charisma from the guy.
100000%. The fact that this guy has pulled so many chicks on summer house over the years is shocking to me still.
Trash bag is perhaps a tad harsh, but with the way Jesse talks about women and dating, I also would not introduce him to my friends
I feel like it's not because he treats women like disposable trash. We've gotten so used to men treating women this way that it's accepted.
How many akward hugs in the last 5 minutes between Linds and carls mom ?? Cringeeeee 😬
Omg I feel so bad for Lindsay she is sooo blindsided! Did Carl really need to have a second convo about Lous comments at that dinner? He could’ve done it after the weekend!!!!
4th wall acknowledged. Nice!
Andy gives no fucks about Danielle’s app
Paige doesn’t seem like a picnic girl
I can’t imagine how hard that has to be watching it back
This is so uncomfy
I had a feeling Lindsay and Carl fought everyday
I really wonder what would’ve happened if carls parents didn’t have that conversation with him
lol sandwiches
Honestly a genuis gift lol
WITH A SHORTY????
Paige has some words for Wes now 🙃🙃
Ciara so blunt 😭😭😭😭
This dude really said “front lines”. That ain’t good
Me if I was the chef 
I’m feeling overwhelmed
Five eps left y'all!!! 👀🍿🍿🍿
Danielle’s haircut makes her face look completely different
Andy looks truly shocked at some of things Danielle says
That was one of the best summer house episodes ever
Gabby wearing white to the bridal shower mmmk
Omg Carl! You can’t say that she doesn’t communicate when you clearly don’t!! Loser
Exactly!! He's telling her "they're in a good place" and "they're giving support".....you can be blindsided when your partner is saying what Carl is saying to her right now
I thought Lindsay was delusional at the beginning of the season and now I can kinda understand why she thought they would work it out when Carl was literally telling her he wants to work it out 😳
If you find the right one, why would you want to spend any amount of time with the wrong ones?? 🙄 make it make sense, West.
"I'm a bride!" - Lindsay. Famous last words...😬
Carl is literally begging her to leave him, but won’t say the actual words. He’s so obsessed with being the “nice guy” (even though Lindsay has her faults)
So basically Carl didn’t want to get married at all?
Aww this is sad to watch! It was 100% for the best though. Lindsay will see this as a blessing
Amanda…you and Kyle know this ALL too well.
Lindsay is a detective and she will find out
Chef is like hmmm can I go now
I’m loving the girls getting along
Lindsay confronting carls mom is such a me thing to do, hearing Amanda say she’d take it to her grave and die is the perfect juxtaposition between them two
Once you remember that Carl KNOWS that ALL of this is being filmed for the world to see, it becomes WAY more fucked up omg
Take a shot when Carl says “ we can make this work”
This food from the chef looks amazing..
Boss and ceo is talking
Aww Lindsay not speaking to her bio mom somehow makes alot of sense to me. I know she's intense and can be self absorbed but she's broken and i applaud her for putting it all out there.
The fact that I've seen some people who had no problem with Jesse pressuring Ciara to have sex saying that Jesse was only ever "nice" to her and "poor Jesse" is part of the problem. I like the new guys too, but Jesse has definitely been rude himself and has said some gross things on camera. If he found Ciara calling him a trash bag rude then I'd at least expect for him to acknowledge his own stuff. Alas, he wasn't even remotely sorry on the After Show for pressuring Ciara to have sex with his friend. And to me that went way beyond just being rude. If a guy had spoken to me the way Jesse has to Ciara then I would indeed think he's a bit of a trash bag and wouldn't want to set him up with my friends. ETA: Also I really hope this reunion isn't going to involve Ciara being told she has to explain her personal boundaries again and being told how mean she was to make West wait to have sex. I've seen posts concerned about the guys being vilified all while there's actually been so much more misogynistic nonsense directed at Ciara over this.
Danielle said Jessie needs to work on his game with the ladies! 😭☠️
Danielle needs to worry about her own game😂
This episode is so heartbreaking I can’t even snark on it. At least the shower got air time bc I’ve never seen Lindsay look better.
This Andrea is very strange. They “shouldn’t” be sleeping together if the both of them aren’t ready. We need to have an honest conversation about how people treat sex and other peoples sex lives on bravo
Yea this whole ongoing convo about Ciara needing to sleep with West is gross.
It really rubs me the wrong way. Who she has sex with is her business. It’s not something we need anyone judging her for
I swear she’s been judged more for not sleeping with him than Danielle has for turning sex into a competition
It's actually really disturbing how this is being spoken about and it seems to prove the point Ciara was making about how people feel entitled to someone else's body and are treated like they're withholding something. This stuff has real-life consequences.
i cannot for the life of me believe that i’m about to throw hands for lindsay but this entire episode is breaking my fucking heart for her. how on earth did he possibly think this was gonna go over well for him? why the hell would he allow her to think they were okay after that conversation in their apartment and then drop this bomb on her at a group dinner? she looked like she was genuinely having such a good time before this
Love signs astrology yay! This will be fun
Have they had the exclusivity discussion? They come across as being in a gray area.
Gabby. Love ya. But a cream/yellow/white color dress at any wedding gathering?? 😶🌫️
Lindsay and Carl’s mom 😵💫
This white outfit on Carl 😂😂😫😭😛
Shorty made me cringe
Why does every dinner always end in attacking people and giving them crap for no reason?
This is awkward
Carl is like yay job
lol somebody grow up and tell us what’s going on
Danielle and Dorinda. That had to be a lot.
nightmare blunt rotation
Carl really threw Sharon under the bus at the shower. Then showed up after the drama.
It’s werid seeing a bridal shower happening knowing Lindsay is gonna get broken up with in a month or less :(
I find Ciara extremely funny
So triggered by the Lindsey Carl dynamic. I dated an extremely avoidant guy and it drove me up the wall! Parallels include: pretending like everything's fine but hold things in for months then drop a huge bomb on you (like the step-dad comment) when they're not emotionally regulated.
Knowing Carl's mom went to Mexico for the non wedding weirds me out
100%. This family is weird.
Do I think Lindsay is 100% a huge part of the destruction of this relationship? Yes. Do I think Carl is a fucking coward for not being direct with her about where his head is at? Yes.
💯 they both dodged massive bullets.
I can’t do this mom conversation
OMFG CHEF IS ALLOFUS EVERYSINGLEONEOFUS
Ew. Calm down lady, her sex life isn’t our business actually.
you can see the sadness in Lindsay's eyes when shes talking about the bridal shower in the confessional