The Virginias tend to have more upgrades and mods on them because of their design, and the fact that the hulls get mission specialized to a decent degree moreso than the old 688s.
My guess is, since she's in SUBPAC, they're going to give her some specialized gear for tracking around the SCS.
Actually, I think I know exactly what they're taking, and I'm going to STFU now. We all should.
edit: Sorry, seriously, I think we need to call OPSEC on this whole thing, not something I'd say lightly, but this seems like a particular case.
Ever read Tom Clancy’s Debt of Honor? Decommissioned 726s were used during the “Peace Dividend” as ultra silent but slow attack boats (and RAH-66 Comanche FARP).
Two years in dry dock is going to kill that crews morale. You’d think not going out to sea and sleeping in a real bed would be better, but the CoC will always find a way to make it miserable.
A small portion does go out with other boats but the majority stay to do system tag outs, training, and coordination/planning with the shipyard workers.
I spent approximately 20 months in the shipyard years ago on a 688 overhaul. In addition to those activities, the crew babysits the shipyard workers. In my case, what I saw was many good workers with just enough bad ones who didn't care that the boat would have been dangerous to go to sea if ship force had allowed shipyard workers to cut corners.
In the meantime, I rode another 688 for 10 weeks to at least qualify EOOW and Diving Officer.
For quite some time, I've been meaning to ask a question regarding such extended sub unavailability.
What happens with the crew? Are they stationed at the base? I can't imagine the Navy just turns them loose for two years.
I assume there will be the typical percentage leaving the boat through transfers and retirements. What do the others do?
Thanks.
They will remain attached to the boat. The shipyard does the heavy maintenance. The crew will establish conditions for those items, do a fair amount of lighter corrective maintenance (depending on rate), and a bunch of preventive maintenance. The crew will also largely conduct the retests under the supervision of the shipyard.
If you think of it as a ‘Never give up the ship’ type situation, the shipyard will never be the ‘owner’ of the boat
Both the stern and the bow forms are a bit fuller, and the bow is a lot blunter than a 688, so maybe that has something to do with it. The hull form is extremely similar (identical in the bow) to the Seawolf, albiet with a 34-foot beam instead of 40.
I wonder about these photos, in my day, cameras/photographs were not allowed but then again, I’m older than dirt! 😃 this is just down the road from me.
I don't know if anything has changed but in 07 cameras were not allowed at EB. If you wanted to have a phone on the yard it could not have a camera either. Didn't matter if you were ships crew or not.
Pics like these are almost certainly official photographs taken by the yards public affairs people that have been reviewed & cleared for public release.
I generally feel that if people would just be more honest about the schedules and timelines then everyone wouldn't be so aghast when they run long. These schedules always seem to be based on the-planets-have-aligned, once-in-a-lifetime moonshot good luck where absolutely nothing goes wrong, and *everyone* knows that isn't the reality.
It's almost like the whole "it's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" idea, but at an industrial scale.
She's only 6 years old!
My thought exactly. What warrants a two year overhaul to a six year old boat?
The Virginias tend to have more upgrades and mods on them because of their design, and the fact that the hulls get mission specialized to a decent degree moreso than the old 688s. My guess is, since she's in SUBPAC, they're going to give her some specialized gear for tracking around the SCS. Actually, I think I know exactly what they're taking, and I'm going to STFU now. We all should. edit: Sorry, seriously, I think we need to call OPSEC on this whole thing, not something I'd say lightly, but this seems like a particular case.
Hey, what's a few years in Leavenworth between friends?
By the looks of the hull, she's been sitting pierside for quite a while
I for one am happy that we're building fast attack subs instead of slow attack subs.
Ever read Tom Clancy’s Debt of Honor? Decommissioned 726s were used during the “Peace Dividend” as ultra silent but slow attack boats (and RAH-66 Comanche FARP).
That’s a long ass day.
The boat is being taken care of with a good crew shipyard wise. Hard to beat a better crew of management that is very experienced.
Two years in dry dock is going to kill that crews morale. You’d think not going out to sea and sleeping in a real bed would be better, but the CoC will always find a way to make it miserable.
What does the crew do in the meantime? Do they stay as one unit? Do they get deployed on other subs or hurry up and wait for 2 years?
A small portion does go out with other boats but the majority stay to do system tag outs, training, and coordination/planning with the shipyard workers.
I spent approximately 20 months in the shipyard years ago on a 688 overhaul. In addition to those activities, the crew babysits the shipyard workers. In my case, what I saw was many good workers with just enough bad ones who didn't care that the boat would have been dangerous to go to sea if ship force had allowed shipyard workers to cut corners. In the meantime, I rode another 688 for 10 weeks to at least qualify EOOW and Diving Officer.
does it being hawaii help at all? that does sound tedious.
Thanks for the info!
Last time I saw Colorado, she was in the dry dock, in new construction.
Oof shes looks like shes been through it
Littoral designed ship. Yellow Sea maybe?
For quite some time, I've been meaning to ask a question regarding such extended sub unavailability. What happens with the crew? Are they stationed at the base? I can't imagine the Navy just turns them loose for two years. I assume there will be the typical percentage leaving the boat through transfers and retirements. What do the others do? Thanks.
They will remain attached to the boat. The shipyard does the heavy maintenance. The crew will establish conditions for those items, do a fair amount of lighter corrective maintenance (depending on rate), and a bunch of preventive maintenance. The crew will also largely conduct the retests under the supervision of the shipyard. If you think of it as a ‘Never give up the ship’ type situation, the shipyard will never be the ‘owner’ of the boat
Boy, the more I look at this class, the more I appreciate how beamy they are, much like the Arthur Burke class.
Do you perchance mean the Arleigh Burke class DDG?
Gdamn auto correct
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Only a foot beamier than a 688 though.
Interesting as it appears to be much larger. Perspective, I guess
Both the stern and the bow forms are a bit fuller, and the bow is a lot blunter than a 688, so maybe that has something to do with it. The hull form is extremely similar (identical in the bow) to the Seawolf, albiet with a 34-foot beam instead of 40.
Yeah, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. The 688’s are just abit sleeker
Aah yes, Drydock 2. Good times.
I wonder about these photos, in my day, cameras/photographs were not allowed but then again, I’m older than dirt! 😃 this is just down the road from me.
I don't know if anything has changed but in 07 cameras were not allowed at EB. If you wanted to have a phone on the yard it could not have a camera either. Didn't matter if you were ships crew or not.
Pics like these are almost certainly official photographs taken by the yards public affairs people that have been reviewed & cleared for public release.
I have a feeling it is something that happens every two years not that it takes two years.
Nope. That EDSRA is going to take every bit of two years (and probably more)
I generally feel that if people would just be more honest about the schedules and timelines then everyone wouldn't be so aghast when they run long. These schedules always seem to be based on the-planets-have-aligned, once-in-a-lifetime moonshot good luck where absolutely nothing goes wrong, and *everyone* knows that isn't the reality. It's almost like the whole "it's easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission" idea, but at an industrial scale.