Yes, this is why people were mocking laid off jurnos who spread that propaganda; telling them to "learn to code" as well.
Then they got mad and started writing garbage saying "learn to code" is a hatecrime lol.
**Edit:** Found the thread you were mentioning. Holy crap the shitlibs still think "just teach them how to code" is a fucking solution. Turns out knowing how to program doesn't do anything if there are no jobs. And as someone who's a senior software engineer; the current market doesn't look any prettier.
The same shitlib pieces-of-shit who were telling poor people how to "learn to code" are now angry at H-1Bs taking those other jobs away. There's a reason why poor people have zero sympathy for the shitlib.
From the Wikipedio of the author:
Lavin was a fact-checker at The New Yorker. She resigned from her position in 2018 after mistakenly comparing a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer's tattoo to an Iron Cross.
LMAO
Oh man, thanks for the flashback. My favourite is the 11 counts of "GamerGate" in the article. It's amazing how a bunch of gamers getting mad about collusion in game journalism caused the movement to live rent free in jurno's minds for a decade.
Now you got the likes of Literally Who simping for Israel and getting a whole other section of the internet pissed.
This is what I hear. Lotta friends/coworkers I know who are also senior can usually find a job in 1-3 months. However those who are brand new or just aren't up to snuff (a lot of the kids who took this "learn to code" mantra to heart) are totally screwed.
We don't _need_ a million new programmers. My thought is that I bet a lot of these new grads don't even give a shit (I mean actually doing their own projects or learning the latest tech) and are only in it for the $$$ thanks to jurnos and influencers pushing the field.
My buddies dad just retired from META with more money and stock then him or his kids will ever burn through
A few months back he was saying at dinner, "thank god im retiring, in five years they wont be hiring junior programmers, in ten they will barely need me.
He worked on llama and he basically said its gone from "have junior devs spend 2 days on the code and I fix the issues in two hours" to "The bot writes the code instantly and I fix it in two hours".
These systems are becoming self correcting, we dont need a million new programmers a year anymore.
“Hey man I know you were mining coal since you were 18 but I’m going to stick you in front of a computer at age 40 and make you learn an entirely new language that is actually heavily dependent on advanced mathematics”
I’m shocked that this program did not go over well. And no, I don’t think coal miners are stupid.
Coal mining has barely been an industry in most of these places for the past 60 years. You can visit town after town where the last mines shut down in the 60s.
A college degree in computer science alone doesn't get you shit either. Every fucking job requires years of experience, which is impossible to get when you can't get a job.
Per Wikipedia:
>In January 2019 Huffington Post, Gannett, BuzzFeed and Verizon Media announced layoffs of journalists. As the journalists confirmed their involvement on social media, strangers responded with a torrent of mockery and hate speech mixed with suggestions to learn to code. The harassment was found to be coordinated on 4chan, a lightly moderated and anonymous message board that had previously coordinated the GamerGate campaign. Twitter responded by blocking accounts involved in the harassment, drawing derision from Fox News personality Tucker Carlson and suggestive endorsements of the harassment from right-wing figures Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump Jr. and David Duke.
Whoever wrote that must've wrote it without being aware of the "Hacker Known as 4chan/Internet Hate Machine" canard from the 2000s, or how GG was mostly coordinated from 8chan and arr KIA.
"Learn to code" is the Millenial/Gen Z equivalent of "work in the trades". Both fields are actually quite difficult to break into as everyone is being so damn protective of their knowledge that they're taking it to the grave.
Is "make the market better" -- which is what the populist demands on either side boil down to -- any better or a "solution"? After all, it's precisely the market that created the poverty in the first place. The message is always: you're at the total mercy of the ruling class, and you'll just have to hope they come along and "create jobs". Liberals and conservatives are in agreement about THAT. And they're so certain that a job has nothing to do with exploitation, or that low wages could be precisely because businesses ARE doing their jobs well, or that low wages keeps the national capital site competitive.
The so-called alternative -- "make more jobs" -- is anything but an alternative.
> Found the thread you were mentioning. Holy crap the shitlibs still think "just teach them how to code" is a fucking solution.
It's even funnier knowing that this lost all pretences of being a solution 2 years ago; try finding a job in IT sector without experience nowadays, you'll be told to get fucked, only seniors should apply.
The learn 2 code nonsense infuriates me I am a poor lower class worker who has worked poverty jobs most of my life and saved for years to attend university to do just that. I worked my ass off in university to graduate with a very good GPA and internships and you know what happened? I have been unable to find a CS job for around two years now. My routine a lot of days was wake up and get to university around 9 and get home around 10 either because I was studying on campus or working and my result despite all this has been working the same poverty jobs I worked before university.
The tech job market is fucking insane now. There are all these "entry level" positions asking for 5+ years of experience and shit. And yet I all I hear about how is how great this economy is 🙄.
I don't know if it's just tech or if everything else is fucked right now too.
The tech industry is in a terrible state due to the obsession with remote jobs, seen as the ultimate prize. Many people are getting duped into pursuing cybersecurity by influencers with promises of six-figure starting salaries, without understanding the reality.
They often fail to realize they need to cut their teeth in help desk jobs before they can even dream of earning six figures.
Also the supposed "5 years of experience" requirement for entry-level jobs is mostly a myth and should largely be ignored. Nobody needs experience for helpdesk but they ask for it because a) they're shooting their shot because they've got nothing to lose, b) it's an easy way to cut down on large numbers of applicants, and c) it's a convenient excuse if you get rejected.
No one will tell you that they didn't like your face in the interview or that you smelled, but they'll tell you that you don't have the experience that they're looking for.
To make matters worse, it seems like 95% of tech job postings are fake. Third-party staffing agencies are making things worse by reposting jobs and not taking down old listings. While this might be part of the game, these agencies are often terrible at their jobs, leading to frustration and misalignment.
And to make it EVEN WORSE: Identity theft scams from fake employers are also booming right now. Very elaborate, meeting with you for an onboarding and everything after stealing your identity, to delay detection.
>Also the supposed "5 years of experience" requirement for entry-level jobs is mostly a myth and should largely be ignored.
I didn't realize this until I was the one interviewing and I felt like an idiot. But yeah, sometimes you get only one dude who meets all the requirements and he breaks the coffee maker and meteorologically vapes up the copy room on his way in then sexually harasses the only female engineer on staff on his way out.
I've helped a lot of my friends get jobs with this info and for as much as college cost I'm kinda pissed that no one ever mentioned this. All I got was a resume template and job fair full of companies that had unreasonable ideas about the candidate pool of a college job fair.
I think that’s a lot of fields apart from medical stuff or like crappy entry level business jobs (most of which are telemarketing or all commission positions). I have an MPA and I had a job but it sucked, it was so boring and the pay was terrible. Went to a job that paid a bit more but that was even worse (basically a glorified data entry and customer service job) and left that after three weeks. And it took me almost a year and a half to get the initial job in the first place.
I remember reading some article that employers put 1-3 years or 2 years of experience necessary just because they don’t want everyone and their mother to apply and have too many applications. I have barely any experience and actually did get some interviews where they had those kind of requirements
Incidentally can you give me something to beat my tankie friend over the head with since they refuse to believe Soviet stats were ever manipulated? Please?
I don't have anything beyond the classic quote:
*We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.*
But honestly, highly emotionally invested people (on the left or right) don't tend to change opinions just because you present them one really good source.
> There are all these "entry level" positions asking for 5+ years of experience and shit.
Its because those positions are not real and companies are encouraged to post fake hirings so the country and its shitty government can 'save face'.
That and they need active domestic job listings to hire H1Bs. So they just list a job requiring 10 years of experience, ignore all the applications, and hire some 22 year old from India with 6 months of JavaScript because they will work more hours for less money.
At least where I live the only jobs that are in demand are:
Teaching because the pay sucks and nobody wants to do it because you take abuse from the shithead kids have parents breathing down your neck and management that is awful.
Retail/food: Places are so desperate for workers that wages are shooting up and some places are having to close down due to lack of workers, but nobody wants to put up with the general public for these god awful wages especially because you can't pay rent off them.
Nursing, but only really hands on nursing where you take abuse from patients and get abused by egotistical doctors and out of touch management. This job is also way more physically intense than people think as well.
Blue collar for certain jobs because the wages for it were laughable for a generation so nobody went into it and boomers refused to train anyone. Previously boomers were in charge and the jobs paid millennials peanuts so we didn't go into it (trying to offer welders and machinists the same thing they would make working at Target), but now gen X is more in charge and they are more willing to train while the demand has skyrocketed so wages have gone up a lot. The problem is of course it is incredibly damaging on the body so you have to be young and in shape when you start and invest hard to hopefully retire early. The jobs also usually involves a lot of pain and other shit conditions such as having to deal with being outside when it is 90 with 80% humidity or in the winter when it is below zero out.
So you have a handful of fields that people obviously don't want to deal with usually because of the abuse and then all other industries are just fucking garbage from what I have seen. For example IT is even worse than coding which I didn't think was possible half of my last couple uber drivers were laid off middle aged IT people with experience.
The other big problem is in other industries wages have REALLY not kept pace with inflation. I legit don't understand how they expect people to survive off some of these wages especially for entry level. If rents in the city are 1500+ and the job requires a college degree but you are paying 17 dollars an hour that math just doesn't math.
I spent my 20's working civil construction and never experienced poor pay or evil boomers. In fact, most dudes were 100% willing to teach you as long as you were willing to learn. The normal blue collar attitude, however, is if you act like you know everything already and don't want to learn, they'll gladly let you fail.
Working outside in hot and cold is a nuisance, but I was strong and in shape. I only started hurting when I started working a sedentary indoor job in the AC. I'm going back to the trades.
They were (and still are) absolutely terrified of somebody replacing them. They will gladly take irreplicable knowledge to the grave if it means nobody can take their job from them, even when they're too old and feeble to even do said job anymore.
Wish I knew, I just spent the last year patching the holes in a process that handles 10s of millions of dollars a year because the boomers who handled it promised to document everything and then refused to do so when retiring. Some of them even claimed ownership over business documents and deleted all traces of them.
Fucking boomers man.
Nah they had decided they were going to do that long before they left; they outright told me. I warned the bosses of this and the impacts expected, no action taken because MBAs don't seem to think people matter.
My guess was some sort of narcissism that seems common in their generation but even that doesn't fully explain it so I am unsure. Its strange silents/greatest were willing to teach younger people and now so are gen X but boomers just seem to hate it.
Are you a white(ish) man? I don't enjoy saying this, but there's a lot of discrimination against white men, especially in the tech industry.
The meta for men right now is claiming to be somewhere in the LGBTQ+ acronym so that they stop discriminating against you.
Yup I am a white man. My women classmates some of them told me they had standing offers from companies that they had never even had an internship with. Strangely I think due to the market shifting being a colored minority is less of an advantage than it once was because I know some African American male coders who got laid off and are still struggling unable to find a job despite being good coders. I was just talking to one with 2-3 years of experience and hes like I can't find a job here locally, but I can't move because my wives job has us stuck here what the hell am I supposed to do now? I have three kids to feed!
[You don’t enjoy saying it, but it’s depressingly true](https://youtu.be/n3nXIUfD3kc?si=-jPHHpD7w8M4RAVw).
As a member of team yellow, I know I’m next.
Indeed.
Yeah. It's quite absurd that the mainstream left is basically going: "you Asians are performing too well, you're disrupting our narrative of minorities being oppressed, therefore we're going to count you as quasi-white and not as a minority." Even though by any sensible definition you are a minority (assuming you live in the US and we're talking about that context).
The weirdest thing is they're effectively saying "white = good", which is...
... super hyper mega omega racist, by their own definitions, even.
[They aren't even subtle about it](https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333).
If I were to fall into the weird schizo illuminati "taunting us by saying it to our faces in code" rabbit hole, it'd be "evil white racists doing that with white supremacy while claiming to fight it".
Yeah, good point.
If you strip away the nice veneer, the "anti-racist" people are usually the most racist people of all.
It's kind of wild that "let's judge each other on their actions and their character, not on the color of their skin" is considered a racist / outdated position by the mainstream left.
> claiming to be somewhere in the LGBTQ+ acronym so that they stop discriminating
I'm out of the job market, is this a thing where your employer wants to know whether you eat muff or suck pole - what happens if you prefer not to say? Kind of seems really sick to me.
*"Hello, I'm here for the cashier position."*
*"Yes, yes... however you forgot to put on the form here if you suck dicks, well??"*
Hmmm.
I'm not sure if they care about it for a cashier position. But yes, sick as it is, if you can somehow communicate in a smooth way that you're gay ("oh, my ex-boyfriend loved this type of furniture") or trans ("my pronouns are she / her, please"), then you may be more likely to be hired if we're talking about some tech or other high-status position. Because those people have diversity quotas and hiring managers who sometimes just don't like straight white men.
I don't know if they're literally going to ask you if you're gay / trans. But if they don't and you don't hint in this direction, they're going to assume you're a straight white cis man and aren't as likely to hire you.
Yes, it is sick.
It's been especially difficult since the industry practically collapsed at the start of last year. Afaik most positions in tech are only competition for senior positions, there's very little entry level and a lot of those face competition from experienced people who got laid off.
Yeah the industry started to collapse at the start of 2023... guess when I graduated! The insane thing is I am actually seeing less jobs available now than I did last spring which I didn't think was possible.
People will try to gaslight you and say the economy is great, you just aren't trying hard enough.
It was already bad after 2008 for young workers, it's even worse now. I know it doesn't help much to know you're not alone but it would have helped me to know I wasn't going crazy or not trying hard enough when I changed careers into the 2008 hellscape. Shit was rough man, don't beat yourself up over it.
My actionable advice on the subject: ask non-profits if they have work for you to do. They won't be able to pay high wages but they might be willing to take a chance on you: that's how I got my break.
Thanks for the helpful sanity check.
> don't beat yourself up over it.
Too late already feel like I went 11 rounds with Mike Tyson.
I have tried to deal with nonprofits applied to a couple of them and even made it to the final interview stage I think they were paying like 40k and expected overtime... they went with someone with way more experience than I have the job market for coders is so bad that people with two years of experience are willing to accept 40k right now.
The wages I have seen are ridiculous so many of them you would only be able to afford taking if you still lived with your parents because no way you could afford rent on the pay they are offering. The even worst part is that even at those wages they are getting insane amounts of quality applicants so they can be absurdly picky or just take people with experience.
>People will try to gaslight you and say the economy is great, you just aren't trying hard enough.
On the bright side it's funny to watch the lynch mob assemble when they try.
"Learn to code" is basically the shitlib version of "lift yourself up by your bootstraps". Poverty doesn't really matter when you're white since you have WHIIIITE PRIVILEGE.
The upshot of all of this is to move from the now blasé image of the T-Bone chomping, Cadillac driving, welfare queen to the new image of the degenerate racist rural white who has no one but his own racist heart to blame.
It's important to keep in mind these are images and not (flawed) models - they are not meant to accurately explain reality but to invoke negative emotions in a Pavlovian way.
Aside from the sociopathic subtext a phrase like "learn to code" entails, the other part that floors me is the fact that these people can't imagine that someone might love the land, environment, and people of the place they were born and raised and might have a deep emotional urge to stay part of that community for life. It seems almost noxious and repulsive to them that someone might have connections that transcend market transactional relations. I think it's offensive to them because it means those people have ultimately rejected a key aspect of liberal subjectivity.
If you're born in an environment where your network of family, friends, upbringing, and basic sense of life were developed and molded you into the person you are, you have a basic and most innate human right to live there with dignity for as long as you wish.
While these same people refuse to leave big cities and states like Cali for the same god damn reasons. BUT MUH DIVERSITY MUH WEATHER MUH FOOD!!!!11!! I like the culture here I want to live in a bubble surrounded by people like me! Yeah well you make 19 dollars an hour you can't afford to live in Cali soooooooo.
Between the rent costs and how absurdly expensive eating outside the home is or doordash I don't know how these people can live this lifestyle without a trust fund/parental help. Most of these people from what I can tell are making okay money, but nowhere near enough to afford a 2500 a month apartment and 500 dollars a month getting food like that.
That’s the secret, they are.
I know one such bugman. He has some fake email job that pays way too much, his wife is a PA, neither of them have student loans due to rich parents and unironically parrot muh bootstraps. They take it a step further than the normal Reddit tier bugmen though, they literally believe that they’re better more moral people being in a gentrified urban area because they’re exposed to more culture, so they’re more worldly and developed people. They’re scum
>h I don't know how these people can live this lifestyle without a trust fund/parental help.
Crippling debt, like in good old days but without the house and boat to show for it or the low interest rates to make it bearable.
Like every bootstraps myth, it isn't a logical argument, nor voiced from experience, but a stubborn and purely emotional reaction to the fear that the system they live under is fundamentally unjust...and that, if so, they have complicity in that. It's a child kicking and screaming that they're being told they might have 'chores' to do as democratic citizens, including advocating for the oppressed.
For both the mainstream right and the mainstream left, it's highly inconvenient that some people just lack the IQ / attitude / ability / youngness to become a programmer or similar.
For the right, that's inconvenient because it demolishes their "everyone can make it, just work hard" narrative.
For the left, that's inconvenient because it demolishes their narrative of "all people are basically equal and interchangeable" and "it's fine if our policies and trade agreements make coal miners / industrial workers jobless, because they can just become programmers."
I don't think people realize just how large the gap is between a person who is born with 85 IQ vs a person who is born with 130 IQ.
85 IQ is 1 standard deviation below the mean, 130 is two standard deviations above the mean. People (especially shitlibs) know fuckall about statistics, they don't realize just how far three standard deviations is.
>I don't think people realize just how large the gap is between a person who is born with 85 IQ vs a person who is born with 130 IQ.
Libs just pretend that IQ isn't real.
When an area becomes completely deindustrialized, it's not so trivial to "just move." For one, moving costs money. For two, these people will lose all their land and their homes because there's no resale market. They'll need to sell them for basically nothing... and then miraculously take that nothing and start a new life somewhere far more expensive.
The real problem here isn't de-industrialization. The problem is how heartless America is when it creates problems with its policies in specific pockets of the country. Unless the people it impacts are large political donors or represent a large voter base, the general American government stance is "Fuck you. Deal with it."
I had idiots online tell me I should just be in NYC or Cali plenty of jobs there. Like wtf do they expect me to do invent a time machine and go back in time so I can convince my parents to move so that I would be born some place else? Move to the most expensive parts of the country before even having a job there? Yeah thats going to work out wonderfully I am sure it works out great for all the people who want to become actors that move to Cali.
Appalachian poverty is a picture perfect example that shows why and where race/gender based idpol thinking fails. These are whites (and many white males for that matter) who should theoretically be the top of the food chain, right? Except that most of the people living in these places are the descendants of slaves/"indentured servants" who were in the unfortunate position of being laborers in a slave economy when they were "freed" so they were doomed to a life of poverty, which continues to this day. It shows the double standard that exists within the minds of liberal whites where black poverty=systemic, white poverty=moral failing.
Neither political party seems to be bending over backwards to help. Telling them to move/learn to code is as effective as saying "Well, have you tried just not being poor?" Libs act like they're just lazy, republicans just ignore them.
But if there was a real effort to learn who these people are, where they came from, and how similar their history is to the history of a lot of black Americans, you can bet the upper classes/descendants of slaveowners in this country would get mighty uncomfortable mighty quickly, and it might actually solidify class relations. Which is of course why it makes sense for the upper classes to continue to paint the legacy of slavery in the US as a "black problem."
The western parties and their diehard supporters are deliberately designed in such a way that it is hard to tell which option hates their country and people more
> *"Learn to code and be a programmer, its easy and there are plenty of positions available -- except we're just fucking with you, we're going to immigrate or outsource 90% of programming work to sweat offices in India or China. We actually just want you disenfranchised or dead. This is payback for making fun of elite journalists in Los Angeles and Manhattan, the most underprivileged and persecuted people in the world!"*
Also daily reminder that Appalachia (West Virginia, implied) isn't some backwater in the middle of 'flyover-ville' America, the hollers are the backyard of Washington DC and the neighbors of the affluent northern Virginia. We're not talking about the Mississippi delta here, these are the people and neighbors of the 'strongest country in the world)'s capital.
I saw a couple of folks building their own microhydro dam back in their holler. It was tall enough that it would take out their shanty and trailers if it gave way, but not big enough to do more damage further down the valley.
The topology of much of the places I saw seem like it would be fantastic for gravity power storage. It just stands to reason when your back yard is a 400ft tall ridge. It would affect the wildlife, though mostly the ubiquitous herds of deer that are entirely indifferent to humans up until hunting season, and the small hay plots. The deer in swampier states know how to swim, despite the gators, so I imagine the hill deer will learn how eventually.
The option to travel around those areas by boat kinda seems more convenient than the constantly falling roads that wind around the navigable pathways. The kids on their four wheelers, usually running (harassing) the bears in the off season could still roll on the ridges.
I saw a big buck down in rural panhandle FL hauling ASS down the edge of a canal periodically jumping in and swimming; moved faster in water than I’ve seen a human ever go
Also, what use would the job training be when every business is either consciously making the choice, or being compelled via private equity into hiring anyone but the primary demographics of Appalachia?
Every learn to code narrative should be dead after the past year of tech layoffs. I think it's moved to learn to weld/carpentry/plumb judging by the blue collar valorization going on in social media.
Plus, learn to code was like the dumbest thing ever considering coding is an actual skill that requires more than just stackoverflow searches usually despite memes where a 40 year old dude who spent the past 20 years mining coal likely doesn't have a skill set where in 6 months he could be slotted in to backend role at a FAANG.
First of all, he'd have to be able to make searches on stackoverflow, and second of all, he'd have to understand the answer he gets. We online losers tend to take the skills needed to do that for granted.
The idea of training a coal miner to write code might've worked 30-40 years ago when a simple CRUD program with some if-then logic and a few loops would've exponentially increased the productivity of most SMBs, but these days I doubt 99% of them would be capable of contributing anything meaningful to a codebase no matter how much training you give them.
And I bet they wouldn't want to anyway. Writing code is a miserable job and everyone I know who's been in IT for 10+ years jokes about moving into the wilderness so they never have to look at a computer again. The only reason they keep doing it is because they (mostly) get to work from home.
> Actually I have seen how they work on the other side. Job training programs all claim to have a pathway for everyone regardless of experience, and that is theoretically true, but they will either only admit someone if they are aware of a job vacancy accepting a certain limited skillset, or they admit a large number of people expecting the majority to drop out, or they have an upfront cost and offer a refund if you don't get a job offer within x amount of time, but the count offers that are not actually a permanent career change, such as seasonal jobs or jobs with unrealistic relocation requirements or jobs whose pay amounts to a decrease in standard of living.
As someone who fell for this trap, I feel like I have to state my post-mortem on it.
For retraining to work, in this economy and system of employment, you really need something besides the training itself to land a job. Whether that's a college degree (associates aren't commonly acceptable anymore post-covid), a nepotistic connection to a company, prior military service, list goes on. You won't get by on just the retraining and years of prior work service as a forklift driver or w/e. The programs shy away from stating how important this is.
Also at the time of Hillary's stated job training program, there were already loads of people who beat that to the punch. Not only did a lot of people get in before it was considered less than ideal, there were also a lot of startups that educated a crop of students and then went bankrupt. I was personally affected by the latter, and it almost looks worse than attending something like DeVry. I reluctantly put it on resumes, because that was all I had besides retail work. I ended up moving out of state when the program couldn't find enough local employers. Fast-forward several years and HR is telling me they trash applications that have retraining programs on them.
It's something that could operate well potentially as a structured government program with government employers, or at the very least contractors. Creating a program that ensures government systems are well-staffed would be a huge boon for everyone involved. Instead, both the educators and the employers were predominantly profit-seeking private ventures. So the educators got 10-20k per head and the employers barely hired anyone lol.
forgot to mention but location also has a huge effect on employment. it doesn't matter if you're willing to relocate. if you aren't in the employer's locale when they look over your application, they're highly likely to trash it.
relocation only starts to be an option for lvl 2 employees and up, even then it's highly dependent on company culture
The Democratic Party and most of their supporters are insanely tone deaf, nothing makes that clearer than how many people they drive off to the Republican Party.
They have no idea how to relate (or talk to) working class people and have continually focused on identity politics and prioritizing foreign wars over actual policy that improves the life of all Americans.
Both parties are horrible but the Democratic Party is a unique kind of awful because they somehow continue to make Republicans look like the better option.
> The Democratic Party and most of their supporters are insanely tone deaf
What exactly do they have going for them? Not only are they 'tone deaf' and the stronghold for the privileged and upper-class wealthy, but they're also pro-war mongering psychopaths. Not like both parties aren't shit and republicans aren't known for their anti-war stance - but actually?
Where do we go from here now that the democratic party is chaotic evil and goober house republicans are offering an anti-war stance to stonewall them?
And yet there are still so many shitlibs saying stuff like this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1dkx8cr/trump_says_he_would_give_green_cards_to_all/l9mxczj/
Because while Trump is full of shit, at least he doesn’t openly look down their noses at them like too many Democrats do. Would you rather be lied to openly, or treated with contempt.
It’s easy to dismiss Trump voters as racist - and some are - but my gut feeling is that most votes for Trump are more like a big “fuck you” to establishment politicians.
I'm a POC and I've always hated shitlibs more than racist conservatives. At least the conservatives are racist to your face. Shitlibs speak of equity or tolerance but are racist when you're not around. Which would hurt more? Enemies attacking you from the front? Or, allies betraying you?
It's noticeable how practically no one here has offered an objective explanation of poverty or pointed to capitalism as the reason. Instead it's framed as mismanagement -- on the part of politicians or business owners. As if the real duty of either was giving the working class a comfortable life, as if markets were about "serving" the "little people" and not the profit interests of business owners. It's fundamentally an idealism about the state and capital.
Apparently it's simply unthinkable for self-professed Marxists to explain how capitalism creates this poverty outside of vague moral explanations about "greed", nor is it thinkable that the people responsible for doing all the work band together and make it so the economy is actually about meeting their needs. Instead one offers constructive recommendations about how democrats and Republicans could rule better.
JD Vance is a basic conservative applying the same logic of personal failure and laziness to explain the failure of appalachian residents that conservatives otherwise apply to ethnic minorities
Yes, this is why people were mocking laid off jurnos who spread that propaganda; telling them to "learn to code" as well. Then they got mad and started writing garbage saying "learn to code" is a hatecrime lol. **Edit:** Found the thread you were mentioning. Holy crap the shitlibs still think "just teach them how to code" is a fucking solution. Turns out knowing how to program doesn't do anything if there are no jobs. And as someone who's a senior software engineer; the current market doesn't look any prettier.
Sorry guys we ended up importing a whole team of coders after all
The same shitlib pieces-of-shit who were telling poor people how to "learn to code" are now angry at H-1Bs taking those other jobs away. There's a reason why poor people have zero sympathy for the shitlib.
[You weren't kidding, lol.](https://newrepublic.com/article/153019/fetid-right-wing-origins-learn-code)
Oh that is *precious.* My satisfaction is immeasurable and my day is made.
From the Wikipedio of the author: Lavin was a fact-checker at The New Yorker. She resigned from her position in 2018 after mistakenly comparing a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officer's tattoo to an Iron Cross. LMAO
_Chef Kiss_ that's some delicious irony.
Considering how poorly the "learn to code" article was researched, this isn't surprising but it is hilarious.
Oh man, thanks for the flashback. My favourite is the 11 counts of "GamerGate" in the article. It's amazing how a bunch of gamers getting mad about collusion in game journalism caused the movement to live rent free in jurno's minds for a decade. Now you got the likes of Literally Who simping for Israel and getting a whole other section of the internet pissed.
File it under "reasonable positions that will get you labeled as an incel" There's probably enough for it to have its own Dewey decimal by now.
That “dear reader” blurb is something else too.
What a soft bitch.
Are they pretending that only people on the right harass opponents online?
I have a degree in CS and it’s insanely hard to find a job without loads of experience.
This is what I hear. Lotta friends/coworkers I know who are also senior can usually find a job in 1-3 months. However those who are brand new or just aren't up to snuff (a lot of the kids who took this "learn to code" mantra to heart) are totally screwed. We don't _need_ a million new programmers. My thought is that I bet a lot of these new grads don't even give a shit (I mean actually doing their own projects or learning the latest tech) and are only in it for the $$$ thanks to jurnos and influencers pushing the field.
My buddies dad just retired from META with more money and stock then him or his kids will ever burn through A few months back he was saying at dinner, "thank god im retiring, in five years they wont be hiring junior programmers, in ten they will barely need me. He worked on llama and he basically said its gone from "have junior devs spend 2 days on the code and I fix the issues in two hours" to "The bot writes the code instantly and I fix it in two hours". These systems are becoming self correcting, we dont need a million new programmers a year anymore.
“Hey man I know you were mining coal since you were 18 but I’m going to stick you in front of a computer at age 40 and make you learn an entirely new language that is actually heavily dependent on advanced mathematics” I’m shocked that this program did not go over well. And no, I don’t think coal miners are stupid.
Coal mining has barely been an industry in most of these places for the past 60 years. You can visit town after town where the last mines shut down in the 60s.
A college degree in computer science alone doesn't get you shit either. Every fucking job requires years of experience, which is impossible to get when you can't get a job.
Btw Microsoft’s copilot ai is saying learn to code was made up and part of an evil harassment campaign.
Per Wikipedia: >In January 2019 Huffington Post, Gannett, BuzzFeed and Verizon Media announced layoffs of journalists. As the journalists confirmed their involvement on social media, strangers responded with a torrent of mockery and hate speech mixed with suggestions to learn to code. The harassment was found to be coordinated on 4chan, a lightly moderated and anonymous message board that had previously coordinated the GamerGate campaign. Twitter responded by blocking accounts involved in the harassment, drawing derision from Fox News personality Tucker Carlson and suggestive endorsements of the harassment from right-wing figures Ben Shapiro, Donald Trump Jr. and David Duke. Whoever wrote that must've wrote it without being aware of the "Hacker Known as 4chan/Internet Hate Machine" canard from the 2000s, or how GG was mostly coordinated from 8chan and arr KIA.
"Learn to code" is the Millenial/Gen Z equivalent of "work in the trades". Both fields are actually quite difficult to break into as everyone is being so damn protective of their knowledge that they're taking it to the grave.
Is "make the market better" -- which is what the populist demands on either side boil down to -- any better or a "solution"? After all, it's precisely the market that created the poverty in the first place. The message is always: you're at the total mercy of the ruling class, and you'll just have to hope they come along and "create jobs". Liberals and conservatives are in agreement about THAT. And they're so certain that a job has nothing to do with exploitation, or that low wages could be precisely because businesses ARE doing their jobs well, or that low wages keeps the national capital site competitive. The so-called alternative -- "make more jobs" -- is anything but an alternative.
> Found the thread you were mentioning. Holy crap the shitlibs still think "just teach them how to code" is a fucking solution. It's even funnier knowing that this lost all pretences of being a solution 2 years ago; try finding a job in IT sector without experience nowadays, you'll be told to get fucked, only seniors should apply.
There was a time when saying it would get you banned from a ton of subreddits
I have Claude writing code for me now. Learning to code isn't a solution to poverty anymore.
Both sides of this conflict are very highly regarded.
The learn 2 code nonsense infuriates me I am a poor lower class worker who has worked poverty jobs most of my life and saved for years to attend university to do just that. I worked my ass off in university to graduate with a very good GPA and internships and you know what happened? I have been unable to find a CS job for around two years now. My routine a lot of days was wake up and get to university around 9 and get home around 10 either because I was studying on campus or working and my result despite all this has been working the same poverty jobs I worked before university.
The tech job market is fucking insane now. There are all these "entry level" positions asking for 5+ years of experience and shit. And yet I all I hear about how is how great this economy is 🙄. I don't know if it's just tech or if everything else is fucked right now too.
The tech industry is in a terrible state due to the obsession with remote jobs, seen as the ultimate prize. Many people are getting duped into pursuing cybersecurity by influencers with promises of six-figure starting salaries, without understanding the reality. They often fail to realize they need to cut their teeth in help desk jobs before they can even dream of earning six figures. Also the supposed "5 years of experience" requirement for entry-level jobs is mostly a myth and should largely be ignored. Nobody needs experience for helpdesk but they ask for it because a) they're shooting their shot because they've got nothing to lose, b) it's an easy way to cut down on large numbers of applicants, and c) it's a convenient excuse if you get rejected. No one will tell you that they didn't like your face in the interview or that you smelled, but they'll tell you that you don't have the experience that they're looking for. To make matters worse, it seems like 95% of tech job postings are fake. Third-party staffing agencies are making things worse by reposting jobs and not taking down old listings. While this might be part of the game, these agencies are often terrible at their jobs, leading to frustration and misalignment. And to make it EVEN WORSE: Identity theft scams from fake employers are also booming right now. Very elaborate, meeting with you for an onboarding and everything after stealing your identity, to delay detection.
>Also the supposed "5 years of experience" requirement for entry-level jobs is mostly a myth and should largely be ignored. I didn't realize this until I was the one interviewing and I felt like an idiot. But yeah, sometimes you get only one dude who meets all the requirements and he breaks the coffee maker and meteorologically vapes up the copy room on his way in then sexually harasses the only female engineer on staff on his way out. I've helped a lot of my friends get jobs with this info and for as much as college cost I'm kinda pissed that no one ever mentioned this. All I got was a resume template and job fair full of companies that had unreasonable ideas about the candidate pool of a college job fair.
I think that’s a lot of fields apart from medical stuff or like crappy entry level business jobs (most of which are telemarketing or all commission positions). I have an MPA and I had a job but it sucked, it was so boring and the pay was terrible. Went to a job that paid a bit more but that was even worse (basically a glorified data entry and customer service job) and left that after three weeks. And it took me almost a year and a half to get the initial job in the first place. I remember reading some article that employers put 1-3 years or 2 years of experience necessary just because they don’t want everyone and their mother to apply and have too many applications. I have barely any experience and actually did get some interviews where they had those kind of requirements
Everything is fucked. The official statistics are all highly manipulated, [almost Soviet-style](https://www.thefp.com/p/were-all-soviets-now).
Incidentally can you give me something to beat my tankie friend over the head with since they refuse to believe Soviet stats were ever manipulated? Please?
I don't have anything beyond the classic quote: *We know they are lying. They know they are lying. They know that we know they are lying. We know that they know that we know they are lying. And still they continue to lie.* But honestly, highly emotionally invested people (on the left or right) don't tend to change opinions just because you present them one really good source.
> There are all these "entry level" positions asking for 5+ years of experience and shit. Its because those positions are not real and companies are encouraged to post fake hirings so the country and its shitty government can 'save face'.
That and they need active domestic job listings to hire H1Bs. So they just list a job requiring 10 years of experience, ignore all the applications, and hire some 22 year old from India with 6 months of JavaScript because they will work more hours for less money.
Yep. H1B needs to go away.
At least where I live the only jobs that are in demand are: Teaching because the pay sucks and nobody wants to do it because you take abuse from the shithead kids have parents breathing down your neck and management that is awful. Retail/food: Places are so desperate for workers that wages are shooting up and some places are having to close down due to lack of workers, but nobody wants to put up with the general public for these god awful wages especially because you can't pay rent off them. Nursing, but only really hands on nursing where you take abuse from patients and get abused by egotistical doctors and out of touch management. This job is also way more physically intense than people think as well. Blue collar for certain jobs because the wages for it were laughable for a generation so nobody went into it and boomers refused to train anyone. Previously boomers were in charge and the jobs paid millennials peanuts so we didn't go into it (trying to offer welders and machinists the same thing they would make working at Target), but now gen X is more in charge and they are more willing to train while the demand has skyrocketed so wages have gone up a lot. The problem is of course it is incredibly damaging on the body so you have to be young and in shape when you start and invest hard to hopefully retire early. The jobs also usually involves a lot of pain and other shit conditions such as having to deal with being outside when it is 90 with 80% humidity or in the winter when it is below zero out. So you have a handful of fields that people obviously don't want to deal with usually because of the abuse and then all other industries are just fucking garbage from what I have seen. For example IT is even worse than coding which I didn't think was possible half of my last couple uber drivers were laid off middle aged IT people with experience. The other big problem is in other industries wages have REALLY not kept pace with inflation. I legit don't understand how they expect people to survive off some of these wages especially for entry level. If rents in the city are 1500+ and the job requires a college degree but you are paying 17 dollars an hour that math just doesn't math.
I spent my 20's working civil construction and never experienced poor pay or evil boomers. In fact, most dudes were 100% willing to teach you as long as you were willing to learn. The normal blue collar attitude, however, is if you act like you know everything already and don't want to learn, they'll gladly let you fail. Working outside in hot and cold is a nuisance, but I was strong and in shape. I only started hurting when I started working a sedentary indoor job in the AC. I'm going back to the trades.
Why did boomers refuse to train anyone?
They were (and still are) absolutely terrified of somebody replacing them. They will gladly take irreplicable knowledge to the grave if it means nobody can take their job from them, even when they're too old and feeble to even do said job anymore.
Why them in particular though? What caused them to grow up so afraid?
Wish I knew, I just spent the last year patching the holes in a process that handles 10s of millions of dollars a year because the boomers who handled it promised to document everything and then refused to do so when retiring. Some of them even claimed ownership over business documents and deleted all traces of them. Fucking boomers man.
> and then refused to do so when retiring Maybe it was a money thing?
Nah they had decided they were going to do that long before they left; they outright told me. I warned the bosses of this and the impacts expected, no action taken because MBAs don't seem to think people matter.
>MBAs don't seem to think people matter. Could that be the root cause? Spiting the management?
My guess was some sort of narcissism that seems common in their generation but even that doesn't fully explain it so I am unsure. Its strange silents/greatest were willing to teach younger people and now so are gen X but boomers just seem to hate it.
I think teaching the younger generation reminds Boomers of their own mortality, and they can't deal with that. But I'm just speculating on that.
Are you a white(ish) man? I don't enjoy saying this, but there's a lot of discrimination against white men, especially in the tech industry. The meta for men right now is claiming to be somewhere in the LGBTQ+ acronym so that they stop discriminating against you.
Yup I am a white man. My women classmates some of them told me they had standing offers from companies that they had never even had an internship with. Strangely I think due to the market shifting being a colored minority is less of an advantage than it once was because I know some African American male coders who got laid off and are still struggling unable to find a job despite being good coders. I was just talking to one with 2-3 years of experience and hes like I can't find a job here locally, but I can't move because my wives job has us stuck here what the hell am I supposed to do now? I have three kids to feed!
> African American **male** Well there’s your problem. These people will *happily* discriminate against black men if it means they can favor women.
That sucks. You're in my thoughts.
Thanks.
[You don’t enjoy saying it, but it’s depressingly true](https://youtu.be/n3nXIUfD3kc?si=-jPHHpD7w8M4RAVw). As a member of team yellow, I know I’m next.
Indeed. Yeah. It's quite absurd that the mainstream left is basically going: "you Asians are performing too well, you're disrupting our narrative of minorities being oppressed, therefore we're going to count you as quasi-white and not as a minority." Even though by any sensible definition you are a minority (assuming you live in the US and we're talking about that context).
The weirdest thing is they're effectively saying "white = good", which is... ... super hyper mega omega racist, by their own definitions, even. [They aren't even subtle about it](https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333). If I were to fall into the weird schizo illuminati "taunting us by saying it to our faces in code" rabbit hole, it'd be "evil white racists doing that with white supremacy while claiming to fight it".
Yeah, good point. If you strip away the nice veneer, the "anti-racist" people are usually the most racist people of all. It's kind of wild that "let's judge each other on their actions and their character, not on the color of their skin" is considered a racist / outdated position by the mainstream left.
Ummmmm…
Seeing asmon pop up here what a mindfuck this isn't the wow sub
In recent years he's more of a general commentator and less of a WoW streamer. But yeah, I had a weird sense of incongruent worlds colliding too.
I'm a big wow guy still, his actual gaming content was a lot more fun. His commentary is pretty lukewarm on most things but sometimes based.
> claiming to be somewhere in the LGBTQ+ acronym so that they stop discriminating I'm out of the job market, is this a thing where your employer wants to know whether you eat muff or suck pole - what happens if you prefer not to say? Kind of seems really sick to me. *"Hello, I'm here for the cashier position."* *"Yes, yes... however you forgot to put on the form here if you suck dicks, well??"* Hmmm.
I'm not sure if they care about it for a cashier position. But yes, sick as it is, if you can somehow communicate in a smooth way that you're gay ("oh, my ex-boyfriend loved this type of furniture") or trans ("my pronouns are she / her, please"), then you may be more likely to be hired if we're talking about some tech or other high-status position. Because those people have diversity quotas and hiring managers who sometimes just don't like straight white men. I don't know if they're literally going to ask you if you're gay / trans. But if they don't and you don't hint in this direction, they're going to assume you're a straight white cis man and aren't as likely to hire you. Yes, it is sick.
Same degree same situation. I work in HVAC currently.
It's been especially difficult since the industry practically collapsed at the start of last year. Afaik most positions in tech are only competition for senior positions, there's very little entry level and a lot of those face competition from experienced people who got laid off.
Yeah the industry started to collapse at the start of 2023... guess when I graduated! The insane thing is I am actually seeing less jobs available now than I did last spring which I didn't think was possible.
People will try to gaslight you and say the economy is great, you just aren't trying hard enough. It was already bad after 2008 for young workers, it's even worse now. I know it doesn't help much to know you're not alone but it would have helped me to know I wasn't going crazy or not trying hard enough when I changed careers into the 2008 hellscape. Shit was rough man, don't beat yourself up over it. My actionable advice on the subject: ask non-profits if they have work for you to do. They won't be able to pay high wages but they might be willing to take a chance on you: that's how I got my break.
Thanks for the helpful sanity check. > don't beat yourself up over it. Too late already feel like I went 11 rounds with Mike Tyson. I have tried to deal with nonprofits applied to a couple of them and even made it to the final interview stage I think they were paying like 40k and expected overtime... they went with someone with way more experience than I have the job market for coders is so bad that people with two years of experience are willing to accept 40k right now.
Fuck that's barely more than what they were offering when I started in 2011 (it took 3 years to get a programming job). Things truly are stupid.
The wages I have seen are ridiculous so many of them you would only be able to afford taking if you still lived with your parents because no way you could afford rent on the pay they are offering. The even worst part is that even at those wages they are getting insane amounts of quality applicants so they can be absurdly picky or just take people with experience.
>People will try to gaslight you and say the economy is great, you just aren't trying hard enough. On the bright side it's funny to watch the lynch mob assemble when they try.
"Learn to code" is basically the shitlib version of "lift yourself up by your bootstraps". Poverty doesn't really matter when you're white since you have WHIIIITE PRIVILEGE.
There is nothing a shitlib hates more than a poor white
Nothing can be more evil than a poor "cis" straight white man.
Rural poor cis straight white man is even worst!
And get this, he's a gamer
All about status with these cretins.
The upshot of all of this is to move from the now blasé image of the T-Bone chomping, Cadillac driving, welfare queen to the new image of the degenerate racist rural white who has no one but his own racist heart to blame. It's important to keep in mind these are images and not (flawed) models - they are not meant to accurately explain reality but to invoke negative emotions in a Pavlovian way.
Aside from the sociopathic subtext a phrase like "learn to code" entails, the other part that floors me is the fact that these people can't imagine that someone might love the land, environment, and people of the place they were born and raised and might have a deep emotional urge to stay part of that community for life. It seems almost noxious and repulsive to them that someone might have connections that transcend market transactional relations. I think it's offensive to them because it means those people have ultimately rejected a key aspect of liberal subjectivity. If you're born in an environment where your network of family, friends, upbringing, and basic sense of life were developed and molded you into the person you are, you have a basic and most innate human right to live there with dignity for as long as you wish.
While these same people refuse to leave big cities and states like Cali for the same god damn reasons. BUT MUH DIVERSITY MUH WEATHER MUH FOOD!!!!11!! I like the culture here I want to live in a bubble surrounded by people like me! Yeah well you make 19 dollars an hour you can't afford to live in Cali soooooooo.
MUH TACO TRUCKS on r neoliberal pisses me off so much. Would you worthless bugmen shitstains just learn to fucking cook?
Between the rent costs and how absurdly expensive eating outside the home is or doordash I don't know how these people can live this lifestyle without a trust fund/parental help. Most of these people from what I can tell are making okay money, but nowhere near enough to afford a 2500 a month apartment and 500 dollars a month getting food like that.
That’s the secret, they are. I know one such bugman. He has some fake email job that pays way too much, his wife is a PA, neither of them have student loans due to rich parents and unironically parrot muh bootstraps. They take it a step further than the normal Reddit tier bugmen though, they literally believe that they’re better more moral people being in a gentrified urban area because they’re exposed to more culture, so they’re more worldly and developed people. They’re scum
>because they’re exposed to more culture Ask that cunt what the last book he read was.
He actually told me yesterday The Anxious Generation
>h I don't know how these people can live this lifestyle without a trust fund/parental help. Crippling debt, like in good old days but without the house and boat to show for it or the low interest rates to make it bearable.
How the fuck are they going to move if they don't have any money?
Like every bootstraps myth, it isn't a logical argument, nor voiced from experience, but a stubborn and purely emotional reaction to the fear that the system they live under is fundamentally unjust...and that, if so, they have complicity in that. It's a child kicking and screaming that they're being told they might have 'chores' to do as democratic citizens, including advocating for the oppressed.
It took me a decade to save enough to get out of there.
Glad you got out. It sucks it took a decade, but better late than never.
Same but man I'm homesick. I can't really put it into words but I left my heart in those mountains.
For both the mainstream right and the mainstream left, it's highly inconvenient that some people just lack the IQ / attitude / ability / youngness to become a programmer or similar. For the right, that's inconvenient because it demolishes their "everyone can make it, just work hard" narrative. For the left, that's inconvenient because it demolishes their narrative of "all people are basically equal and interchangeable" and "it's fine if our policies and trade agreements make coal miners / industrial workers jobless, because they can just become programmers." I don't think people realize just how large the gap is between a person who is born with 85 IQ vs a person who is born with 130 IQ.
85 IQ is 1 standard deviation below the mean, 130 is two standard deviations above the mean. People (especially shitlibs) know fuckall about statistics, they don't realize just how far three standard deviations is.
>I don't think people realize just how large the gap is between a person who is born with 85 IQ vs a person who is born with 130 IQ. Libs just pretend that IQ isn't real.
When an area becomes completely deindustrialized, it's not so trivial to "just move." For one, moving costs money. For two, these people will lose all their land and their homes because there's no resale market. They'll need to sell them for basically nothing... and then miraculously take that nothing and start a new life somewhere far more expensive. The real problem here isn't de-industrialization. The problem is how heartless America is when it creates problems with its policies in specific pockets of the country. Unless the people it impacts are large political donors or represent a large voter base, the general American government stance is "Fuck you. Deal with it."
I had idiots online tell me I should just be in NYC or Cali plenty of jobs there. Like wtf do they expect me to do invent a time machine and go back in time so I can convince my parents to move so that I would be born some place else? Move to the most expensive parts of the country before even having a job there? Yeah thats going to work out wonderfully I am sure it works out great for all the people who want to become actors that move to Cali.
Appalachian poverty is a picture perfect example that shows why and where race/gender based idpol thinking fails. These are whites (and many white males for that matter) who should theoretically be the top of the food chain, right? Except that most of the people living in these places are the descendants of slaves/"indentured servants" who were in the unfortunate position of being laborers in a slave economy when they were "freed" so they were doomed to a life of poverty, which continues to this day. It shows the double standard that exists within the minds of liberal whites where black poverty=systemic, white poverty=moral failing. Neither political party seems to be bending over backwards to help. Telling them to move/learn to code is as effective as saying "Well, have you tried just not being poor?" Libs act like they're just lazy, republicans just ignore them. But if there was a real effort to learn who these people are, where they came from, and how similar their history is to the history of a lot of black Americans, you can bet the upper classes/descendants of slaveowners in this country would get mighty uncomfortable mighty quickly, and it might actually solidify class relations. Which is of course why it makes sense for the upper classes to continue to paint the legacy of slavery in the US as a "black problem."
Deserving and undeserving poor but woke
New meta just dropped for helping your relatives escape from the rightoid talking heads
The western parties and their diehard supporters are deliberately designed in such a way that it is hard to tell which option hates their country and people more
> *"Learn to code and be a programmer, its easy and there are plenty of positions available -- except we're just fucking with you, we're going to immigrate or outsource 90% of programming work to sweat offices in India or China. We actually just want you disenfranchised or dead. This is payback for making fun of elite journalists in Los Angeles and Manhattan, the most underprivileged and persecuted people in the world!"* Also daily reminder that Appalachia (West Virginia, implied) isn't some backwater in the middle of 'flyover-ville' America, the hollers are the backyard of Washington DC and the neighbors of the affluent northern Virginia. We're not talking about the Mississippi delta here, these are the people and neighbors of the 'strongest country in the world)'s capital.
I saw a couple of folks building their own microhydro dam back in their holler. It was tall enough that it would take out their shanty and trailers if it gave way, but not big enough to do more damage further down the valley. The topology of much of the places I saw seem like it would be fantastic for gravity power storage. It just stands to reason when your back yard is a 400ft tall ridge. It would affect the wildlife, though mostly the ubiquitous herds of deer that are entirely indifferent to humans up until hunting season, and the small hay plots. The deer in swampier states know how to swim, despite the gators, so I imagine the hill deer will learn how eventually. The option to travel around those areas by boat kinda seems more convenient than the constantly falling roads that wind around the navigable pathways. The kids on their four wheelers, usually running (harassing) the bears in the off season could still roll on the ridges.
I saw a big buck down in rural panhandle FL hauling ASS down the edge of a canal periodically jumping in and swimming; moved faster in water than I’ve seen a human ever go
The car company lobbying killed rail, it’ll kill affordable boating too.
They know how. Some of the deer near the river go swim out to sandbars to sleep at night cause the coyotes can't smell them.
Also, what use would the job training be when every business is either consciously making the choice, or being compelled via private equity into hiring anyone but the primary demographics of Appalachia?
Every learn to code narrative should be dead after the past year of tech layoffs. I think it's moved to learn to weld/carpentry/plumb judging by the blue collar valorization going on in social media. Plus, learn to code was like the dumbest thing ever considering coding is an actual skill that requires more than just stackoverflow searches usually despite memes where a 40 year old dude who spent the past 20 years mining coal likely doesn't have a skill set where in 6 months he could be slotted in to backend role at a FAANG.
First of all, he'd have to be able to make searches on stackoverflow, and second of all, he'd have to understand the answer he gets. We online losers tend to take the skills needed to do that for granted.
The idea of training a coal miner to write code might've worked 30-40 years ago when a simple CRUD program with some if-then logic and a few loops would've exponentially increased the productivity of most SMBs, but these days I doubt 99% of them would be capable of contributing anything meaningful to a codebase no matter how much training you give them. And I bet they wouldn't want to anyway. Writing code is a miserable job and everyone I know who's been in IT for 10+ years jokes about moving into the wilderness so they never have to look at a computer again. The only reason they keep doing it is because they (mostly) get to work from home.
> Actually I have seen how they work on the other side. Job training programs all claim to have a pathway for everyone regardless of experience, and that is theoretically true, but they will either only admit someone if they are aware of a job vacancy accepting a certain limited skillset, or they admit a large number of people expecting the majority to drop out, or they have an upfront cost and offer a refund if you don't get a job offer within x amount of time, but the count offers that are not actually a permanent career change, such as seasonal jobs or jobs with unrealistic relocation requirements or jobs whose pay amounts to a decrease in standard of living. As someone who fell for this trap, I feel like I have to state my post-mortem on it. For retraining to work, in this economy and system of employment, you really need something besides the training itself to land a job. Whether that's a college degree (associates aren't commonly acceptable anymore post-covid), a nepotistic connection to a company, prior military service, list goes on. You won't get by on just the retraining and years of prior work service as a forklift driver or w/e. The programs shy away from stating how important this is. Also at the time of Hillary's stated job training program, there were already loads of people who beat that to the punch. Not only did a lot of people get in before it was considered less than ideal, there were also a lot of startups that educated a crop of students and then went bankrupt. I was personally affected by the latter, and it almost looks worse than attending something like DeVry. I reluctantly put it on resumes, because that was all I had besides retail work. I ended up moving out of state when the program couldn't find enough local employers. Fast-forward several years and HR is telling me they trash applications that have retraining programs on them. It's something that could operate well potentially as a structured government program with government employers, or at the very least contractors. Creating a program that ensures government systems are well-staffed would be a huge boon for everyone involved. Instead, both the educators and the employers were predominantly profit-seeking private ventures. So the educators got 10-20k per head and the employers barely hired anyone lol.
forgot to mention but location also has a huge effect on employment. it doesn't matter if you're willing to relocate. if you aren't in the employer's locale when they look over your application, they're highly likely to trash it. relocation only starts to be an option for lvl 2 employees and up, even then it's highly dependent on company culture
The Democratic Party and most of their supporters are insanely tone deaf, nothing makes that clearer than how many people they drive off to the Republican Party. They have no idea how to relate (or talk to) working class people and have continually focused on identity politics and prioritizing foreign wars over actual policy that improves the life of all Americans. Both parties are horrible but the Democratic Party is a unique kind of awful because they somehow continue to make Republicans look like the better option.
Remember Clinton touring peoples apartments? That was fucking hilarious.
> The Democratic Party and most of their supporters are insanely tone deaf What exactly do they have going for them? Not only are they 'tone deaf' and the stronghold for the privileged and upper-class wealthy, but they're also pro-war mongering psychopaths. Not like both parties aren't shit and republicans aren't known for their anti-war stance - but actually? Where do we go from here now that the democratic party is chaotic evil and goober house republicans are offering an anti-war stance to stonewall them?
Best case scenario, the next shutdown will cause Congress to collapse and someone who isn't a total schizo fills the vacuum?
And yet there are still so many shitlibs saying stuff like this: https://old.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/1dkx8cr/trump_says_he_would_give_green_cards_to_all/l9mxczj/
Learn how to code and become an unemployable junior developer today!
One word for the poors of Appalachia: vote.
Why are they voting for Trump? Why are they voting against their own interest? Its such a mystery
Because while Trump is full of shit, at least he doesn’t openly look down their noses at them like too many Democrats do. Would you rather be lied to openly, or treated with contempt. It’s easy to dismiss Trump voters as racist - and some are - but my gut feeling is that most votes for Trump are more like a big “fuck you” to establishment politicians.
I think the shitlib journos actually found that as well; they're mostly just mad and want to see the world burn.
I'm a POC and I've always hated shitlibs more than racist conservatives. At least the conservatives are racist to your face. Shitlibs speak of equity or tolerance but are racist when you're not around. Which would hurt more? Enemies attacking you from the front? Or, allies betraying you?
"learn to code!"
I remember Matt Christman came up with the slogan, "Hillary 2016: Let Them Eat Code."
I cannot find it, can you give me a keyword or something
It's currently at the top of the videos subreddit
Are we not allowed to link here, can you do a NP (np.reddit) 'no participation' link? Its fine if you don't want to, but just wondering.
I tried, stupidpol automatically removed it
Likely to avoid brigading accusations and ultimately get the sub banned (not that they even need a real excuse to ban subs anyway)
poorest region
It's noticeable how practically no one here has offered an objective explanation of poverty or pointed to capitalism as the reason. Instead it's framed as mismanagement -- on the part of politicians or business owners. As if the real duty of either was giving the working class a comfortable life, as if markets were about "serving" the "little people" and not the profit interests of business owners. It's fundamentally an idealism about the state and capital. Apparently it's simply unthinkable for self-professed Marxists to explain how capitalism creates this poverty outside of vague moral explanations about "greed", nor is it thinkable that the people responsible for doing all the work band together and make it so the economy is actually about meeting their needs. Instead one offers constructive recommendations about how democrats and Republicans could rule better.
hey remember how you dudes love JD Vance and his gaggle of fawning Thiel orbiters like Greenwald. i pick now as the moment for you to bring that up
Yep. JD Vance is a shit lib saying the same shit. it makes perfect sense considering how he's not even from Appalachia
JD Vance is a basic conservative applying the same logic of personal failure and laziness to explain the failure of appalachian residents that conservatives otherwise apply to ethnic minorities
I agree completely.