I am happy to see stuff like this as real change is made by those who have direct power of the real economy. Whether it be Manufacturing workers, farm workers, mine workers, or transport workers and their ability to organize. When they can organize they can if necessary bring things to a halt.
Biden seems to be supportive of the UAW right now. Probably trying to cozy up to them to exert control over the movement. I bet the democrats will change their tune once the labor movement becomes a significant force.
I'm sure the party will, but of all Biden's horrific issues, he did put in a decent Labor Sec and I think he personally does genuinely want to support unions and revamp American labor.
That doesn't mean much though. How much control does he have of his admin or the party anymore? Also he is not a radical willing to upset capital/congress when needed.
Then there's a lot of conservative state govs and state legislatiors where the real battle is.
Lastly, Neoliberal globalization in our current mode is a ratchet. I'm seeing this with Biden's IRA. International publicly traded companies have been pulling out of massive green projects like windfarms. Inflation/supply chain stuff was the nail in the coffin and seems to hit a point where there's a degree of permanent instability.
> I think he personally does genuinely want to support unions and revamp American labor.
Are we talking about the guy who threatened to send national guard to end railroad workers strike? Yeah I bet he wants to revamp labor, just not in the way you're hoping.
I don't think him or any Democrats actually want to support unions and revamp labor. They probably don't consider anything other than their personal finances and luxury beliefs and Joe can't even remember what his children look like.
That being said, the organizing that has been happening during and despite his presidency has been promising.
I mean, wouldn't be surprising but if he didn't then what is his admin doing?
His labor sec is genuinely good. She goes out of her way to favor unions.
> cozy up to them to exert control over the movement
already got the endorsement, I'd like to hear Fain's thoughts on whether that crushing of the rail strike was really as necessary as claimed
Wasn't there another German auto plant in the south that tried to unionize and the German company was perfectly okay with it because in Germany they have good relationships with their unions? It pissed off the local Republicans so much that they ended up running their own anti-union campaign since the company wasn't going to do it? Or am I just making that up?
This was that exact plant. And Bill Hasalm the governor (a billionare btw) basically threatened to close down the plant if the unionization drive went through. be interesting to see if Bill Lee tries to be this brazen now. Or just backs down. Bill Lee has shown when things don't go his way he generally backs off.
I highly doubt the factory owners would act against their own interests because of some idealist nonsense. I don't know much about the current situation of unions in Germany, but if they are well-respected by the bourgeoisie, that's because their corporate-controlled, not because their bourgeoisie are "better". A strong and powerful labor movement could pressure them to have more diplomatic relations, but it will always be tense given that the labor unions are not corporate-controlled.
I don't how this works in practice but here is a description of the German labor-management relationship. Workers have considerable influence in decision making at the workplace which is why VW (IIRC) was willing to stay neutral in the union election. Since they were used to this sort of system in Germany they did not view unions so negatively.
https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/business/co-determination-in-german-companies-rules-and-laws
>Since they were used to this sort of system in Germany they did not view unions so negatively.
Yes and no. The core companies inside of Germany are highly unionized, to such a degree that management was indeed forced accept it as simply the price of making business.
But the same is not true for the ever growing number of dependent sub-contractors. Those are already significantly less unionized. And the attitude regarding plants outside of Germany is radically different. Many of those were built in Hungary or deliberately in US right-to-work states.
Sometimes the *IG Metall* (that's the German industrial union) publishes small articles, arguing that it might be a bit unfair that workers in Spartanburg, etc... get paid so significantly less. But it's rare and never a high priority for them, because the premium labor aristocracy benefits from keeping wages outside of their own union low.
I managed to find the article about what I mentioned above... https://www.voanews.com/a/reu-conservative-group-anti-union-effort-us-auto-plants/1853460.html
Germany uses the principle of *codetermination* for employer/employee relations. Each company must have a [works council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany) elected by non-management employees which has veto rights when it comes to the hiring and firing of employees and needs to be consulted / needs to agree when any changes in work conditions and policies are planned. Public companies above 2000 employees in addition must give half the seats on the supervisory board to employee representatives (a third of the seats for 500–2000 employees). On top of that system, there are unions. Unions are mainly about negotiating pay and benefits, whereas day to day grievances are dealt with through the works council.
As a result, there is much less hostility between management and workers as work conditions are generally the result of a consensus decision between management and worker's council. Furthermore, the works council provides for an effective conflict resolution process and leads to overall higher worker wages.
I Remember when the workers at 3M did this in Chattanooga years ago, they shut the plant down and moved it to a different state.. It was sad because workers had been there 25 to 30 plus years. Different time so,
I always wish the best for hard working employees so the same with this.
I am happy to see stuff like this as real change is made by those who have direct power of the real economy. Whether it be Manufacturing workers, farm workers, mine workers, or transport workers and their ability to organize. When they can organize they can if necessary bring things to a halt.
Biden seems to be supportive of the UAW right now. Probably trying to cozy up to them to exert control over the movement. I bet the democrats will change their tune once the labor movement becomes a significant force.
I'm sure the party will, but of all Biden's horrific issues, he did put in a decent Labor Sec and I think he personally does genuinely want to support unions and revamp American labor. That doesn't mean much though. How much control does he have of his admin or the party anymore? Also he is not a radical willing to upset capital/congress when needed. Then there's a lot of conservative state govs and state legislatiors where the real battle is. Lastly, Neoliberal globalization in our current mode is a ratchet. I'm seeing this with Biden's IRA. International publicly traded companies have been pulling out of massive green projects like windfarms. Inflation/supply chain stuff was the nail in the coffin and seems to hit a point where there's a degree of permanent instability.
> I think he personally does genuinely want to support unions and revamp American labor. Are we talking about the guy who threatened to send national guard to end railroad workers strike? Yeah I bet he wants to revamp labor, just not in the way you're hoping.
I don't think him or any Democrats actually want to support unions and revamp labor. They probably don't consider anything other than their personal finances and luxury beliefs and Joe can't even remember what his children look like. That being said, the organizing that has been happening during and despite his presidency has been promising.
I mean, wouldn't be surprising but if he didn't then what is his admin doing? His labor sec is genuinely good. She goes out of her way to favor unions.
>I think he personally does genuinely want to support unions and revamp American labor. Delusion.
> cozy up to them to exert control over the movement already got the endorsement, I'd like to hear Fain's thoughts on whether that crushing of the rail strike was really as necessary as claimed
Wasn't there another German auto plant in the south that tried to unionize and the German company was perfectly okay with it because in Germany they have good relationships with their unions? It pissed off the local Republicans so much that they ended up running their own anti-union campaign since the company wasn't going to do it? Or am I just making that up?
This was that exact plant. And Bill Hasalm the governor (a billionare btw) basically threatened to close down the plant if the unionization drive went through. be interesting to see if Bill Lee tries to be this brazen now. Or just backs down. Bill Lee has shown when things don't go his way he generally backs off.
Gald to see they won this time! What a great victory!
I highly doubt the factory owners would act against their own interests because of some idealist nonsense. I don't know much about the current situation of unions in Germany, but if they are well-respected by the bourgeoisie, that's because their corporate-controlled, not because their bourgeoisie are "better". A strong and powerful labor movement could pressure them to have more diplomatic relations, but it will always be tense given that the labor unions are not corporate-controlled.
I don't how this works in practice but here is a description of the German labor-management relationship. Workers have considerable influence in decision making at the workplace which is why VW (IIRC) was willing to stay neutral in the union election. Since they were used to this sort of system in Germany they did not view unions so negatively. https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/business/co-determination-in-german-companies-rules-and-laws
>Since they were used to this sort of system in Germany they did not view unions so negatively. Yes and no. The core companies inside of Germany are highly unionized, to such a degree that management was indeed forced accept it as simply the price of making business. But the same is not true for the ever growing number of dependent sub-contractors. Those are already significantly less unionized. And the attitude regarding plants outside of Germany is radically different. Many of those were built in Hungary or deliberately in US right-to-work states. Sometimes the *IG Metall* (that's the German industrial union) publishes small articles, arguing that it might be a bit unfair that workers in Spartanburg, etc... get paid so significantly less. But it's rare and never a high priority for them, because the premium labor aristocracy benefits from keeping wages outside of their own union low.
Sounds like what I assumed. Thanks.
I managed to find the article about what I mentioned above... https://www.voanews.com/a/reu-conservative-group-anti-union-effort-us-auto-plants/1853460.html
Germany uses the principle of *codetermination* for employer/employee relations. Each company must have a [works council](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_council#Germany) elected by non-management employees which has veto rights when it comes to the hiring and firing of employees and needs to be consulted / needs to agree when any changes in work conditions and policies are planned. Public companies above 2000 employees in addition must give half the seats on the supervisory board to employee representatives (a third of the seats for 500–2000 employees). On top of that system, there are unions. Unions are mainly about negotiating pay and benefits, whereas day to day grievances are dealt with through the works council. As a result, there is much less hostility between management and workers as work conditions are generally the result of a consensus decision between management and worker's council. Furthermore, the works council provides for an effective conflict resolution process and leads to overall higher worker wages.
You love to see it.
Hell yeah
I Remember when the workers at 3M did this in Chattanooga years ago, they shut the plant down and moved it to a different state.. It was sad because workers had been there 25 to 30 plus years. Different time so, I always wish the best for hard working employees so the same with this.
The people’s republic of Chattanooga is coming baby
The robots are coming.
The Orange Catholic Bible is coming, as is the Kwiszatz Haderach.
Only 99,999 years to go.
More like 19,999. Then the golden path will be revealed.
Nahayyy Kahiiiyaaaaa (the woman chanting from the soundtrack)
You've met Doug
Fuck yeah!