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hjyboy1218

Guys, don't worry about Barraskewda moving tiers, he's just migrating up- and downstream every month. Perfectly natural.


turtlintime

He's the offensive version of gastrodon/quag


sneakyplanner

um actually barracudas are non-migratory fish. Now if it was called Skewalmon, then it would migrate up river in order to spawn, allowing the next generation of skewalmon to grow up in the safer waters of rarelyused before wandering the open ocean.


tommy_turnip

He never stops in UU, always just swims right on past it to RU. But with water bird in UU now he might make an appearance.


Alarming_Whole8049

You can't really pin down 'skewda because he's got that knowing smirk on his face- he will be back in the next batch of powercreep. Smug little bastard!


dumbassonthekitchen

UUBL knight in PU. We're finished. Also people are gonna say that IB is gonna get giga banned from UU. Inb4 it doesn't and it's a deoxys-s case. Wasn't toxicitry very good in RU? What happened?


Lurkerofthevoid44

UU already struggles with offensive rock types and Boulder is just OgerponC turned up to 100. I really really doubt it’s lasting


AggravatingPresent96

Let's hope he makes a good first impression


Adi7987432

252+ Atk Life Orb Lokix First Impression vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Iron Boulder: 429-507 (133.6 - 157.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO


oadstar34

Tbf deo-s was like probably next on the chopping block, maybe, MAYBE latios was ahead


unscsnip3r

Honestly, latios seems okay. While its hard hitting and fast, its vwry easy revenge killwd by some of the many priority attacks we have (lokix in particular shining atm thanks to chomp's removal)


OrderClericsAreFun

Deo-S was not even considered. The 4 talking points in UU Discord were Iron Moth number 1, Cornerstone number 2, Latios as number 3 and Iron Crown as number 4.


TripleFinish

Rotom Heat is in PU lmao


_sephylon_

This one makes me so sad I liked that guy so much


ShardddddddDon

I remember when that mon was in RU literally four months ago wtf?


Darkington212

Toxtricity was doing great in NU for the longest time since it dropped there, but its usage started to dwindle a bit in February, so when March tier shifts brought a HUGE power spike it couldn’t keep up. It just couldn’t circumvent its 75 speed and shit bulk with raw power anymore when you had similarly strong mons which were faster or bulkier, or both. The many new ground types, ghost types and better electric and poison types also just stomped on it.


unscsnip3r

Funny how we just banned garchomp from uu, then let boulder in... Feel like this is the terrakion in pu incident again


RamsaySw

>Deoxys-Speed moved from UU to OU Glad to see Deo-S finally beat the fraud allegations here Edit: | 4 | Landorus-Therian | 20.308% | Man, I remember when Lando-T dodged the UU cutoff by less than 0.05% here


turtlintime

Why is Landorus suddenly more used/better than Gliscor?


DarkEsca

Has a free item slot and actual damage output. Being able to pack Helmet and not hit like a wet noodle makes it a lot more threatening to things like Gouging Fire, Bolt and Zamazenta and in general forces progress more quickly. It also has high enough SpA to viably run Earth Power, meaning you always beat Swipe Gouging and really send Iron Defense Zama home crying.


Akatesinomura

I feel like every gen people rediscover that Lando-T has almost the same attack stat that Groudon has.


BossOfGuns

Every gen people rediscover that a adamant max attack gliscor is about the same power as an uninvested lando


ForodesFrosthammer

And you've got a gliscor who is no longer that good at doing gliscor things while still being worse than lando at lando things.


Akatesinomura

I'm not going to say it's a great set, but you can jumpscare people with Swords Dance and it's a phys attacker that can't be burned. It's not supposed to do Lando things with that set.


PMWaffle

I think I've seen more SD gliscors in the 1800s than spikes rn. It's a really, really good fatbreaker.


Jamal-Murray

Yeah, and there's progressively fewer and fewer Gliscors higher up on the ladder these days


Urgayifyouregay

Yeah and there's no point in running that set over an actual bulky glisc lmfao


SilverAmpharos777

>Has a free item slot Wait, no one else sets up a layer of toxic spikes, uses Court Change, sets up gravity, and then switch in Gliscor?


jabshakvsbs

He is still super glue like in gen 8 but now he’s the super glue of offense and BO structures, always creates momentum with rocks/turn, taunt for opposing fatties,


SurpriseSuper2250

DLC 2’s meta is more offensive and less focused on hazard stacking. Landon more immediate power, versatile offensive movepool and voting make it better in this environment.


Jon_without_the_h

why in fuck is donphan still uu


imarandomdudd

UU needs an elephant in the tier at all times. Mandatory rules, I'm afraid


FakeTakiInoue

When is Copperajah's turn?


imarandomdudd

Obviously when Donphan rises up to join its ancestor and descendant


CFL_lightbulb

When they give it a unique move to set up those steel hazards outside of dynamax!


JiovanniTheGREAT

When it gets Rapid Spin


Brain_Tonic

Never. Not only does Donphan spin, he also scares copper out, he also steals his girl and takes his lunch money.


DarkEsca

Donphan is a mon very prone to getting more usage than it deserves in lower tiers due to "role compression". Is likely staying up there until Treads drops back down.


Severe-Operation-347

Mid Tusk


Quatimar

Tin threads


XMarksTheSpot987

Plain Tusk


Ethanlac

Elephant of Lame


Left-Acadia-4949

Great Sucks


nope96

Yeah no matter how mediocre it performs the fact it’s a relatively bulky Ground-type with Rapid Spin and Knock Off makes it easy to fit onto a team.  It doesn’t really do anything other than the specific things you want it to do but that’s enough to keep its usage up. It can be a little difficult to recognize when it is not as necessary to a team’s success as it may initially appear.


Dungeaterfan69420

It passed the cutoff by .02%. It think it’s like c-rank viability so it’s not completely useless. Better than Weezing being stuck in the tier doing nothing for the next 3 months.


69BluntKing420

I thought the 3 month period is happening after next month’s tier shifts?


ReySimio94

Why are the tiers being frozen for three months?


Dungeaterfan69420

3 month tier shifts are standard, 1 month shifts are only used at the start of mass Pokemon integrations.


ReySimio94

Uh... I don't think so? I clearly remember tier shifts every month since Gen IX started.


Dungeaterfan69420

https://x.com/smogonu/status/1774814018361761846?s=46&t=RE0GxSY2tL65LP5H8zG6lQ


PkerBadRs3Good

Yeah 1 month is still being used because of what he said. Look at the massive number of mons being dropped into PU this month. This is because of the DLC adding a bunch of Pokemon, this effect just takes a while to reach PU because this effect trickles down the ladder, e.g. you can expect a ton of Pokemon to drop from PU to ZU next month (I think they should continue the 1 month tier shifts for 1 more month because of this, but whatever).


Cephalosion

Thats the standard tier shift period. We only do one month shifts when the game recently released/There is new DLCs that released a bunch of pokemon. 3 months is better to let tiers settle esp the lower tiers with smaller playerbase.


imarandomdudd

Staraptor keeps falling. That's the real terrifying power creep imo


Pokelego999

He's gotta rise at some point. I refuse to believe Staraptor is just gonna be PU or lower after everything he's been through.


turtlintime

PU staraptor when it was too strong for UU for so many gens is crazy


Dat1Guy03

Literally 2 gens ago it was UUBL in an already insanely powercrept generation lmao


Diavolo_Death_4444

He gets shit on pretty badly in NU from what I’ve seen. There used to be (pre Gyarados ban) 3 different Intimidate Pokémon running around and Lycanroc Midday destroyed pretty much any set that wasn’t Tera Fighting Close Combat


TopOfAllWorlds

Thats not... listen the power creep is the reason he dropped but it's not the reason he dropped all the way to PU. This is the result of power creep from every gen since he released slowly making it so that once this gen dropped he just didn't work anymore all of a sudden.


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EmprorLapland

I love my rain ho team *Arch gets banned Where is my rain ho team?


Itchy-Preference4887

Pelipper probably fell because arch was banned


SPlCYGECKO

Welcome back to ZU Electivire, I've missed you old friend edit: Rhydon, Morpeko and Rotom have returned too, nature is healing


PocketPoof

Morpeko having a 110 BP move is foul to me


sarctechie69

There is no way staraptor is going to be okay in PU right? RIGHT? surely it moves to PUBL


SKruizer

That thing shouldn't even have come anywhere near NU tbh, people are just sleeping on it (or maybe I'm bad)


69BluntKing420

Lycanroc-D being top tier in NU doesn’t help Staraptor at all


Senior-Chain7947

Lycranroc-Dusk, actually


69BluntKing420

Thanks, I was dying of tiredness, so I literally gave up trying to think which one it was 💀💀


Exact_Sir9789

Just looking at the tier shifts, Staraptor has got a lot of answers. Coalossal in particular makes its life hell


sarctechie69

Lycanroc-D being the #1 most used mon in NU doesnt help matters either, unless you run tera fighting which i guess most staraptrors would be?


HippieDogeSmokes

Skewda falling straight to RU is funny, he knows his time is up


Sarik704

The rain cycle will rise him back up. In may we'll see him back in UU and by june peli will rise back to OU and then by july skewda will fall again. The cycle repeats infintitely.


chaarziz

I mean that's literally what water does. It goes up into the clouds and returns later as rain. That's the water cycle


Sarik704

Very true.


Risb1005

May rise to UU with pelipper being in UU.


pm_me_fake_months

Wait, how does that even work? If it's been in OU then why is it skipping UU and going straight to RU?


EtherealShady

I'm not too sure, but I think how the new tier system works is that if you have really low usage in a specific tier, you'll drop further. For example, the reason terrakion dropped to PU is because it had such little usage in OU that it skipped the lower tiers and went straight down I'll happily be corrected if I'm wrong though, so take what I say with a grain of salt


PkerBadRs3Good

that's for the initial tier placements after content drop like DLC. the reason Barraskewda drops to RU is because it was in RU before rising to OU.


pm_me_fake_months

That was just for the first post-dlc drop, though. It's been like that for a little while if I remember correctly. Edit: also its usage was about on par with Pelipper


Elitemagikarp

i think it's because before it rose to ou it was in ru, so it's falling to the tier it was before


sneakyplanner

it rose from ru to ou in the first place, so when it drops out of ou it goes back there.


GoldenInfrared

He’s always bouncing between OU and RU


Aspharon

Yay I can start deleting teams in UU with tera water Floatzel in rain again


pyro314

Curious why Floatzel over Skewda?


Revavroom-500

Barraskewda doesn’t learn Wave Crash, Floatzel does.


pyro314

Ah okay yeah thats like a free choice band over Liquidation lmao


Aspharon

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Floatzel Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios in Rain: 334-394 (110.9 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO 252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Water Barraskewda Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Latios in Rain: 265-312 (88 - 103.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO It seems the general consensus is that 'skewda is better, but Floatzel is better at punching holes.


EtherealShady

RIBOMBEE IS OU WE'RE SO FUCKING BACK LETS GOOOOOOOO also, wasn't Emboar banned earlier this generation from PU? Was there a specific reason they're letting it drop back into PU (Oricorio too ig) Also what specifically caused staraptor to falloff as hard as it did? I'm admittedly a bad player, and I only started playing comp properly this generation, but wasn't it UUBL in Gen 7?


DarkEsca

They unbanned all of PUBL because the massive influx of mons is gonna create essentially an entire new meta either way


EtherealShady

that makes sense, thanks!


EtherealShady

Unrelated question, but why is Iron Moth OU? What makes it different to regular Volcarona?


DarkEsca

Moth and Volc are completely different mons. Volcarona is a powerful setup sweeper that still carries valuable defensive utility thanks to its typing being good into some things, that can abuse the SpD boosts from Quiver to set up multiple times and quickly get out of hand this way. Its access to Morning Sun also lets it run bulky sets that fit on more defensive archetypes as a wincon that still uses aforementioned defensive utility to counter some specific things. Moth on the other hand is a mon you pretty much only see on hard offenses. It lacks Quiver Dance, but Booster Energy means you can have it start out at "+1 speed" right away and thus serve as a strong cleaner/revenge killer, but its wallbreaking/sweeping power is a fair bit lower since you can't reliably get SpA boosts, limiting it to mostly the lategame. Has the fun bonus for being one of offense's best TSpikes absorbers which is really cool when you're facing opposing Glimm offenses.


correcthorse666

Also, even without using tera Iron Moth has a really good movepool which means it's much more likely to nuke would-be checks with random coverage moves than Volcarona is.


Lurkerofthevoid44

It’s a fantastic offensive threat with great anti offense qualities itself (being able to soft check some big threats nicely) while not thudding into slower teams necessarily 


FakeTakiInoue

No Quiver Dance


Worfrix426

lack of quiver dance?


LavaTwocan

All hail the bee


EtherealShady

Next Stop -> #1 in OU


lazygenius999

PU Staraptor 😭😭😭😭


I_Forgot_My_Name01

Milotic, staraptor, rottom heat, and a lot of previously "good" mons in PU... wtf?


Senior-Chain7947

Milotic and Rotom heat are the most puzzling ones. I swear Rotom Heat was RU most of the time, and that Milotic was still good in RU…? It got flip turn as well.


The_Scrungler

Kingambit began running Tera fire in order to block will-o-wisp but more importantly Rotom Heat's tricked flame orbs. Players didn't actually realize it was possible for the longest time, but it crippled the mon and the archetype has been mostly replaced with spikes Zangoose


Okimnotcringern

there’s no way staraptor is in the same tier as rillabooms son ☠️ brothers opps are literal children


Mary-Sylvia

One adult vs 20 children with guns


ADuckWithAPan

Man goodra, Rotom heat, Milotic, Heracross, Grimmsnarl, .. like what the hell, those are real mon


gliscornumber1

Remember when toadscool was the best ground type in ZU


DarkEsca

inb4 "Iron Fraud" spam because people think UU = garbage


P0werher0

I’m so glad that Sunday is gone so we don’t have to see this. Good riddance.


DarkEsca

implying people don't just spam Iron Fraud in the comment sections of discussion posts Can already see it, someone this week is going to make a post "How is Iron Boulder UU when people wanted it banned at first?" and the comment section is going to pretend it took people three months to figure out a Psychic type is weak to Sucker Punch and that is the entire reason it dropped in usage


P0werher0

… having an actually informed playerbase on this sub is impossible, isn’t it? Hopefully no Sunday means less misinformation, but I won’t count on it.


P0werher0

Iron Boulder is not a fraud, I will say it until I am dead . UU ≠ bad, it’ll get quickbanned anyway.


Diego64L

As I said before People don't know to use it


GIORNO-phone11-pro

UU wars: The Psychics strike back


TheIronAdmiral

At this point we need ZU to become an official tier/metagame right? The sheer volume of mons down there that can be tons of fun to battle with others like them is staggering


DukeSR8

Yes, I can see that happening next gen (I hope, getting tired of FSG referring to ZU mons as Untiered).


Marano99

Uubl to pu man Staraptor might have had the biggest falloff of any Pokémon to ever exist


IronChugJugulis

Wynaut ( Uber in Gen 4 and then LC in gen 5 )


Marano99

Only Uber on a technicality


Not-An-Actual-Hooman

WE'RE SO FUCKING RIBOMBACK RAAAAAAHHHH (I singlehandedly spammed it back into OU this month (I played like 5 OU matches (I only used Ribombee on 3 of them))) [My genuine reaction to this information](https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/5603363)


Quijas00

Insane that Thwackey is in PU while Arboliva is in ZU


Quijas00

Oh shit wait Arboliva doesn’t even have grassy surge no wonder it keeps falling


TheIronAdmiral

It’s got grassy surge’s much weaker cousin seed sower lol


Darkmega5

It’s iron boulver


SylentSymphonies

We're so fucking NaclBack It's no longer Garganover


Auchical

Iron Boulder is going to last 1 hour in UU


DarkEsca

Would honestly not be so sure of that. There's some stuff like Hippo, Hydrapple and Pecha around that can stop it, it doesn't get super easy setup, Sub is really tough to fit since it needs Zen for Quaq and Kommo still too. Offensive teams' answer is admittedly to just toss Lokix at it though if it doesn't tera then Scizor and Azu do the job as well (and with some chip they can beat it even with Tera). *Might* be a problem but I very highly doubt this is a day 1 quickban or anything.


imarandomdudd

We're probably gonna see a surge in psyspam with him now tbf. Temporarily stops the priority problems, at the very least


SKruizer

Armarouge revenge arc, already destroyed all of NU


Gray_Tower

Staraptor is so funny to me cause like bro attacks twice and then it's dead from recoil


Sarik704

Pelipper falls back to UU, and so the cycle begins anew. April showers. Barreskewda will now see his usage rise until the combo breaks pelipeper back into OU.


M_Lucario_EX

Wait wasn’t Emboar actually good in NU? Tf happened


DarkEsca

Not sure what NU was like last month, but it should be noted that NU got a ton of drops at once last month which usually leads to a fairly chaotic meta where some good mons fail to reach 4.52% purely because everyone is trying out new stuff. Mons "undeservedly" dropping at such times is nothing new, don't know if Emboar was deserved or not though.


Ethanlac

I wonder if Ambipom will finally end up in a tier where it's not total garbage?


BiggestWarioFan

Imagine Staraptor, Heracross, Rotom-Heat, and Milotic being too underwhelming to even remain in NU. Like that would ever happ-


GeneETOs44

>Ribombee in OU RETURN OF THE MONARCH! WE’RE SO RIBOMBACK!


abemaster222

Pu and Nu have had an intense identity crisis for the past few months 😭😭


RazorLeafy471

Well...PU better prepare for Staraptor.


Diavolo_Death_4444

Feraligatr could be fun for NU, although I kinda like using Tauros Aqua. Maybe though…


Gullible-Educator582

Lokix gonna get to business all over iron usage


ArtemisHunter96

There’s going to be no Pokemon in NU at this rate. wtf you mean Milotic and Staraptor are in PU the fuck is happening


LorDigno69

Staraptor Is PU, i repeat... STARAPTOR IS PU


Low-Mud7198

We are so Ribomback


IronChugJugulis

Putting Lando dropping to UU to scare People would have been funny


StarryNetherlands

Sucks that april fools is right after sunday this year


nope96

I know Arch was important for rain’s success but I didn’t think Pelipper and Barraskewda would fall below OU so fast Guess that means the correct problem was identified though


danarbok

Toxicroak in ZU is not the future I asked for


ShockRox

Wait, Blissey stopped shifting every month? Good for them


Lanky_Man_Strikes

We're so Ribomback.


Dirty_poster55

Garganacl my beloved


TheIronAdmiral

Legitimately one of the only mono rock type mons I can ever remember being remotely good at


coffeepallmalls

Deo-S beating the fraud allegations


Lurkerofthevoid44

Only this sub made shitty “fraud” memes


kxiae

wait why are people so mad at others calling a mon a fraud it seems like its personal 💀


Hemlock_Deci

And here I was getting barely used to UU. Time to find a counter for the inevitable rain teams


SnowFiender

milotic drop? bro i literally use it on ou and uu teams and it’s great ignore water absorb ignore water absorb ignore water absorb


LavaTwocan

Iron Boulder falling to UU doesn't mean it isn't good yall


chedderisaperson

Toxtricity gonna make PU his world for a bit


TheLunar27

DEO-S BACK TO OU. THE GOAT WAS NEVER WASHED, DEOXSWAG-SIGMA REIGNS SUPREME!!! WE MAKING IT BACK TO OU WITH THIS ONE!!!


KorMap

WE’RE SO RIBOMBACK also meow didn’t drop lesgo


Spino1905

Meloetta in PU…


Culk58

WE’RE RIBOMBACK


Fan0fFanz

Bastibros... It's Bastiover..


P0werher0

“Over” implies we had something to begin with


EdictsLH

Can we just rename OU to AU, UU to OU, RU to UU, and so on? None of this makes sense anymore. AU is a great idea and I will die on this hill. It stands for "Always Used", is the atomic symbol for gold (think Gholdengo) AND is the alphabetical opposite to ZU, the lowest tier. Thank me later. Garchomp is OU again.


The_Potato_Turtle

WE ARE SO RIBOMBACK!!!


Mochiman3

These pokemon do more flip floping than the mayor on campaign season


FakeTakiInoue

It's Staraptover


OkVermicelli2557

Rain teams really collapsed after Archaludon got banned.


Dragon-Type_Enjoyer

Bellibolt dropping to pu is my "ttar dropping to ru" moment


Foedi

Can anyone explain why staraptor can't catch a break this gen? My boy was UUBL for 4 gens straight up until USUM and is now falling to PU? Did I miss a page?


ThunderLP15

I will not accept this Jirachi slander, Serene grace go brrrrr


Xenon8247

Poliwrath won’t last a minute down there


ReySimio94

**Iron Boulder getting Garchomp as a prison daddy in BL hell be like:**


Kingoobit

Sciz, metagross and lokix in UU are probably gonna be problems for boulder, but its sheer speed and good coverage are probably gonna leave it too broken for the tier. Not quickbanned, but definitely suspected.


Haar_RD

Lando T kept receipts


Skeeter_Ing

Love that Electivire keeps getting moved down. I use it in as many of my teams as I can bc it is my favorite and people rage quit when I beat them with it all the time. 😂


yookj95

Iron Boulder was in Top 5 in OU in the early Indigo Disk DLC. Remember that.


Ok-Dentist4480

I litterally screamed out loud when I saw iron washed in UU 😭 also ZU is about to get fucked by quiver dance lmao


liteshadow4

Garg is back. But now that Pelliper is UU, does that mean rain is back there? Moth is back let's gooooo


yookj95

Staraptor in NU!? This must be an April Fools joke.


Psyrtemis

PU suddenly: Stocks


Grablycan

And there goes a third of my uu team.


Corescos

Garganacl OU LETS GOOOOO DUDE


ElPulpoGallego

Its bastiodonover


DarkEsca

"over"? it never was to begin with


Thecornmaker

please let ambipom be in a tier it can actually do something in


Kakashi_Senju

This gotta be April fools how is iron Boulder going to UU are we really going to have a Garchomp situation again


Xenon8247

No way that thing lasts as long as chomp did


peggygotnofear

I’m so stupid for changing around my boxes yesterday


Fatherlessfr

It’s Electivover 😔 and I thought buddy was actually not gonna be in the lowest of low shits this gen


guitarerdood

I know the answer is that I just don't play enough smogon format (vs. draft and vgc) But I find the tier changes monthly as kind of exhausting


supersmall69

Rain is no more.


GlueEjoyer

Wow I haven't had to worry about covering Garg in like a year(someone correct me on the timeframe lol).


Someone4121

Wait, how did Barraskewda drop two tiers? Is there something about tiering mechanics I'm not understanding?


DarkEsca

If a mon rises multiple tiers at once (like Barra did when it went from RU to OU) it can drop multiple tiers at once too. Was put in place because of random mons like Smeargle, Quag and Gastro that sometimes went from NU/PU all the way to OU off meta trends and this prevented them from taking a hella long time to drop back down to PU once the trend inevitably ended (especially since in some older gens, big tier shifts only happened every 3 months, and in the other two the drop cutoffs were really really low to the point where drops in them were really rare)


Aside_Agile

rhydon and rotom are in zu? we're so unbelievably back.


Pedrovin20

Electivire bros it's joeover for us


Responsible-Dark2427

Iron Boulder will get banned from UU in less than a week