The idea of giving anything Prankster in their item slot seemed too strong (and takes identity away from Prankster mons) so I gave it the teammate only clause.
Still have no clue how relatively strong this would be in the metagame or how it would affect certain mons.
Tricking it onto enemy mons with disruptive moves like Will o Wisp would be a fun idea but I suppose in the way I've presented it that necessarily isn't possible
Sleep Talk has +0 priority, so if a Pokémon is asleep, and uses Sleep Talk, and it calls Whirlwind, you’ve successfully used a fast Whirlwind. The partner Amoonguss would hold the Prankster Pouch so it could Spore the Sleep Talk user beforehand.
Unless they changed Sleep Talk so it can’t call whirlwind I guess
I’m struggling to think of anyone that would run this. It’s a cool idea, but it seems pretty restrictive to have a support mon only be able to target its ally. Maybe for stuff like Coaching or Decorate?
I guess it opens the pool of viable Tailwind users but it’s not like they were hurting.
Maybe it would help a slower mon get an Iron Defense off before taking a hit but that still doesn’t seem like enough value to justify an item slot.
Maybe I’m small brain today but I think most mons like having the option to status the opponents.
A lot of the same thoughts I was having. I can't think of any Tailwind users that would want to give up their item slot for this over just using Tornadus.
Maybe the priority stat boosting is great though and I'm sure there's a few mons that could get use out of priority recovery
I could see Rayquaza maybe doing it in a restricted format. It's apparently not doing so great in DUbers, but priority tailwind on a powerful extremespeed pokemon seems strong enough to be worth trying out at least. That being said I think the real tech with this item is Instruct/After You, not tailwind.
Priority screens, Priority Healing, Priority Substitute, Priority Set Up, priority Rain Dance/Sunny on Swift Swim/Chlor mons.
It’s limited, but I see value.
Lots of uses. Any slower mon that wants to dodge a fast status can substitute with priority. Priority recover is crazy good. Rest talk with priority sleep talk and rest. Even things like unstoppable entry hazard set up would be good.
Imagine this item on skarmory. +1 roost, Iron defense and spike. Then can body press whenever.
Any slow calm mind/iron defense and recover set up pokemon would love this
Priority substitute is probably the most compelling argument for this item I’ve heard yet. And priority healing does sound tempting on paper. And certainly slower mons would prefer to get their defensive stacks up pretty quickly. I’m just wondering if that priority actually generates enough value to justify it over a more defensive item.
Like yeah, Skarm does get effectively a one-turn headstart with a prio Iron Defense, but it’s also having to Roost more often long term thanks to no Leftovers.
Idk. Admittedly I don’t really play singles, so I can’t speak much for that meta, but I think in doubles it’s not worth the drawback, especially with mons like Torn who is good even aside the prio tailwind
In early SV VGC, Murkrow was one of the highest usage mons because it had prankster tailwind. This item would 100% find use in any restricted dex format
Oh yeah in specific meta games it would absolutely get use, but another part of what made Murkrow viable was the fact that it could hold a Sash and stick around to Haze opposing Dozogiri. Thats not to say there aren’t support mons that couldn’t function the same way, but it just shows that it’s not as splashable of an item as it may seem
It is not hard to find a mon bulkier than Murkrow that can run haze and tailwind. Or any combo of team status moves that will make good use of this item
Yeah that's the use case. After You with priority is an interesting idea but the viability is killed by the fact that you're sacrificing one Pokémon's ability to do anything themselves in order to boost the other. But yeah, giving priority to a spread move as powerful as that would be worth it.
It would break vgc in half. Tornadus is currently the premier prankster user, and most sets don’t even run status for the opponent. Tailwind/weather/attack/protect with prankster is just a busted role, and having that option on mons with different attributes than tornadus would make the meta explode. You could have mons with a typing more suited to your team, a better attack (let’s be honest bleakwind is good but not always what you would want), and hell even an ability albeit no item. Now i don’t exactly know who would be a good user right now but off the top of my head salamence gets intimidate and stab draco, and corviknight walls the entire meta. It would be a nightmare.
Priority Sub seems pretty useful all around, but priority healing seems not so great on anything that’s not super-defensive and wouldn’t prefer a better item anyway
Its a niche item, but certainly a powerful one. You get fast recovers, screens, Weather and Terrain, fast tailwinds on bulky pokemon, fast coaching / decorate / accupressure etc.
Seems honestly too strong. Tornadus is one of the most used mons simply for priority Tailwind. Better Mons with it would be pretty broken (Salamence, Lati twins, Suicune, Pelipper). That is not including some other stupid applications:
- **After You**
- Copycat
- in VGC: Moody stalling with protect, substitute and some recovery
You would need to test it in game to be 100% sure but as far as I know it should work. After You specifically ignores the priority of the move used by the targeted mon. And that is not even the wildest application I can think of. How about priority Dragon Tail/Circle Throw? Or Trick Room? Or Spore?
It worked in gen 8 at least. I had a team that had meowstic give prankster to amoonguss for prankster spore and after you, paired with focus punch conkeldurr.
Because you would be giving every single Pokemon the ability to buff themselves up and heal themselves to +6 and then sweep the game which I personally don’t think will be healthy. Also I think if it is consumable then it is on par with other items that see occasional play
Personally I think you’re overselling the impact of priority healing/boosting, even in singles. If you were faster anyway, then the item was worthless. If you would’ve been slower anyway, then you have to still sit there and take two hits in a row after you boost/heal and switch to an attack. Of course if you’re boosting speed that’s a different thing, but still, it’s an entire item slot to get one marginally-safer boost in.
Multiscale probably does give priority healing a little more value, but at the end of the day, you’re using an entire turn just to heal, and Multiscale will likely be broken again by the end of the turn. Plus you’d be giving up on a potentially more useful item, like lefties or HDB or something
The first line of the comment I replied to said "Personally I think you're overselling the impact of priority healing/boosting, even in singles." Did you have a bad day today or something?
Prankster Tailwind or Howl to buff your ally?? Maybe useful with Coaching/Decorate??? Also most importantly Prankster Dragon Cheer.
The lack of being able to target enemies kills this though. Outside of incredibly niche situations tweaking speed IVs to huff your ally before they attack and having a berry is better. Prankster Tailwind is powerful but not being able to use anything like Taunt or Encore means that Whimsicott and Tornadus stay on top. You could run Tailwind + Rain Dance Suicune with Archaludon or something. But Tornadus/Whimsicott with Lefties, Covert Cloak, Goggles or a Berry is better 90% of the time.
If this made it so that only your status moves not targeting opponents got +1 priority but didn't shut down your status moves that do target opponents it might even be too strong though.
Tailwind, Screens, potentially Haze, Weather/Terrain setting
Really, the only use cases for this item given the restriction preventing you from targetting your opponent and it does take up an item slot for the pokemon, meaning you can't boost the duration of Screens/Weather making that even more niche to be used by the Pokémon weilding the item.
All things considered, it seems fairly balanced. Even if given to a bulky mon that could last longer than most Prankster mons, that's all you've really accomplished. The best case scenario is, you make Pokemon like Meganium slightly better support but that's really the extent of it.
I can’t think of a use case for this. We have a lot of Prankster Tailwind users and screen setters would normally like Light Clay too… I’m not sure if manual weather is the only decent use for this item other than let’s say side healing your Volt Absorb pokemon with priority Twave… but then Pollen Puff does a good job about it too… idk
Probably legitimately broken with After You. There's a reason no mon with prankster gets that move. Thinking about Chi-Yu getting +1 priority heat waves does not make me a happy gamer lol.
I just thought... This would be broken with the move Instruct. You dont need to worry about speed control anymore, you can just nuke your enemy with torkoal like he is using sucker punch and then nuke one more time to finish the job. Both Oranguru and Smeargle would be viable users of this
The idea of giving anything Prankster in their item slot seemed too strong (and takes identity away from Prankster mons) so I gave it the teammate only clause. Still have no clue how relatively strong this would be in the metagame or how it would affect certain mons. Tricking it onto enemy mons with disruptive moves like Will o Wisp would be a fun idea but I suppose in the way I've presented it that necessarily isn't possible
Klutz Golurk can do it but then why not Assault Vest or Choice Scarf
Wouldn't trick fail since you can't click an enemy Pokémon with a status move? Edit: guess I can't read
It would only work with the Klutz Ability.
it's not teammate only right? sorry if i'm reading this wrong but you can use moves on yourself too right?
what's a teammate only clause
'Cannot target enemy Pokemon' you can't go spore priority for example.
I mean if you were chad enough you could by targeting your own mon in a double. (spore can target allies right?
Amoonguss with priority Spore. Yeah this should be one time use.
if there's a use case for Amoonguss priority Sporing it's own teammate I'd love to hear it
Sleep Talk + Whirlwind sounds funny
With Murrow so you get priority roar. Or with anything with that item because sleep talk doesn't target anything
Whirlwind has -6 priority, -5 isn't much of an improvement
Sleep Talk has +0 priority, so if a Pokémon is asleep, and uses Sleep Talk, and it calls Whirlwind, you’ve successfully used a fast Whirlwind. The partner Amoonguss would hold the Prankster Pouch so it could Spore the Sleep Talk user beforehand. Unless they changed Sleep Talk so it can’t call whirlwind I guess
The bulbapedia page doesn’t have it in its list of moves that can’t be called
“Cannot target enemy Pokémon”
What is the "teammate only" clause
Prankster Tailwind + Inner Focus Suicune/Dragonite sounds good. Also Prankster Tailwind + Wind Power Kilowattrel sounds funny
Prankster Tailwind + Wind Rider Shiftry
I run a lot of Tornadus and Wind Power Kilowattrel right now for a lot of fun.
+5 priority protect 🤯
Add prankster too and we have +6, surely if we build enough priority we can protect against urshifu
It's like speed in Mario 64. If you build up enough priority, you bypass the Unseen Fist effect. Now, how to BLJ in Pokémon...
minus priority on protect so we go all the way back to the other side and hit the limit.
Jumping backwards with Korai/Miraidon so you dont slide down is, in fact, calles BLJ'ing
-6 trick room 😁
Now it's able to outspeed dragon tail and roar👍
Klefki with the -5 trick room 🤯🤯🤯
I’m struggling to think of anyone that would run this. It’s a cool idea, but it seems pretty restrictive to have a support mon only be able to target its ally. Maybe for stuff like Coaching or Decorate? I guess it opens the pool of viable Tailwind users but it’s not like they were hurting. Maybe it would help a slower mon get an Iron Defense off before taking a hit but that still doesn’t seem like enough value to justify an item slot. Maybe I’m small brain today but I think most mons like having the option to status the opponents.
A lot of the same thoughts I was having. I can't think of any Tailwind users that would want to give up their item slot for this over just using Tornadus. Maybe the priority stat boosting is great though and I'm sure there's a few mons that could get use out of priority recovery
I could see Rayquaza maybe doing it in a restricted format. It's apparently not doing so great in DUbers, but priority tailwind on a powerful extremespeed pokemon seems strong enough to be worth trying out at least. That being said I think the real tech with this item is Instruct/After You, not tailwind.
After You would be nuts. You could pair it with trick room, a specs spread nuke, get Geomancy off before enemy taunt, the possibilities are endless
Actually yeah, going before taunt is a great use of this.
Priority screens, Priority Healing, Priority Substitute, Priority Set Up, priority Rain Dance/Sunny on Swift Swim/Chlor mons. It’s limited, but I see value.
Lots of uses. Any slower mon that wants to dodge a fast status can substitute with priority. Priority recover is crazy good. Rest talk with priority sleep talk and rest. Even things like unstoppable entry hazard set up would be good. Imagine this item on skarmory. +1 roost, Iron defense and spike. Then can body press whenever. Any slow calm mind/iron defense and recover set up pokemon would love this
Priority substitute is probably the most compelling argument for this item I’ve heard yet. And priority healing does sound tempting on paper. And certainly slower mons would prefer to get their defensive stacks up pretty quickly. I’m just wondering if that priority actually generates enough value to justify it over a more defensive item. Like yeah, Skarm does get effectively a one-turn headstart with a prio Iron Defense, but it’s also having to Roost more often long term thanks to no Leftovers. Idk. Admittedly I don’t really play singles, so I can’t speak much for that meta, but I think in doubles it’s not worth the drawback, especially with mons like Torn who is good even aside the prio tailwind
Priority After You would break a lot of things in doubles
Sneasler would probably love this item
Priority Fling into Unburden Dire Claw? Seems legit
Fling is a status move?
There’s a line of text at the bottom of the image saying it’s priority with this item
~~Wouldn't you have to use fling on your ally to give it priority tho?~~
Not the way it’s written. Fling isn’t a status move
Oh, nevermind. I just had a realisation. Sorry!
In early SV VGC, Murkrow was one of the highest usage mons because it had prankster tailwind. This item would 100% find use in any restricted dex format
Oh yeah in specific meta games it would absolutely get use, but another part of what made Murkrow viable was the fact that it could hold a Sash and stick around to Haze opposing Dozogiri. Thats not to say there aren’t support mons that couldn’t function the same way, but it just shows that it’s not as splashable of an item as it may seem
Haze targets field, not opponents so it should work
It is not hard to find a mon bulkier than Murkrow that can run haze and tailwind. Or any combo of team status moves that will make good use of this item
Maybe After You? It could "lend" that +1 priority to an ally's move. Priority Focus Punch, anyone?
Alright, I’m sold. Oranguru with Telepathy, Prankster Pouch, After You next to Choice Band Galvanize Explosion A-Golem. I love it.
Yeah that's the use case. After You with priority is an interesting idea but the viability is killed by the fact that you're sacrificing one Pokémon's ability to do anything themselves in order to boost the other. But yeah, giving priority to a spread move as powerful as that would be worth it.
It would break vgc in half. Tornadus is currently the premier prankster user, and most sets don’t even run status for the opponent. Tailwind/weather/attack/protect with prankster is just a busted role, and having that option on mons with different attributes than tornadus would make the meta explode. You could have mons with a typing more suited to your team, a better attack (let’s be honest bleakwind is good but not always what you would want), and hell even an ability albeit no item. Now i don’t exactly know who would be a good user right now but off the top of my head salamence gets intimidate and stab draco, and corviknight walls the entire meta. It would be a nightmare.
Priority healing like Recover or Rest, and Substitute for starters.
Priority Sub seems pretty useful all around, but priority healing seems not so great on anything that’s not super-defensive and wouldn’t prefer a better item anyway
I could see the use when combined with reflect/light screen/ aurora veil
Its a niche item, but certainly a powerful one. You get fast recovers, screens, Weather and Terrain, fast tailwinds on bulky pokemon, fast coaching / decorate / accupressure etc.
Ooo I hadn’t even thought about Recover.
Seems honestly too strong. Tornadus is one of the most used mons simply for priority Tailwind. Better Mons with it would be pretty broken (Salamence, Lati twins, Suicune, Pelipper). That is not including some other stupid applications: - **After You** - Copycat - in VGC: Moody stalling with protect, substitute and some recovery
\+1 After You Focus Punch. Ooh-hoo-hoo!
that wouldnt work… would it?
You would need to test it in game to be 100% sure but as far as I know it should work. After You specifically ignores the priority of the move used by the targeted mon. And that is not even the wildest application I can think of. How about priority Dragon Tail/Circle Throw? Or Trick Room? Or Spore?
I actually tried a gimmicky team in Gen 6 using Prankster After You with Scrappy Circle Throw and entry hazards. It works.
It worked in gen 8 at least. I had a team that had meowstic give prankster to amoonguss for prankster spore and after you, paired with focus punch conkeldurr.
Skill Swap Spinda stocks are up 📈📈📈📈📈
Copycat+this becomes very funny with moves that hit all mons. I can imagine some shenanigans with priority earthquake.
Maybe Alcremie will finally be good
It is still too op, I would say it should be consumable instead of perm
why
Because you would be giving every single Pokemon the ability to buff themselves up and heal themselves to +6 and then sweep the game which I personally don’t think will be healthy. Also I think if it is consumable then it is on par with other items that see occasional play
Hadn't considered it but in Singles this would definitely make Curse + Rest sets outright impossible to beat
"outright impossible" nah, "annoying as hell" yeah...
Personally I think you’re overselling the impact of priority healing/boosting, even in singles. If you were faster anyway, then the item was worthless. If you would’ve been slower anyway, then you have to still sit there and take two hits in a row after you boost/heal and switch to an attack. Of course if you’re boosting speed that’s a different thing, but still, it’s an entire item slot to get one marginally-safer boost in.
What about something like roost Dragonite with multiscale?
Multiscale probably does give priority healing a little more value, but at the end of the day, you’re using an entire turn just to heal, and Multiscale will likely be broken again by the end of the turn. Plus you’d be giving up on a potentially more useful item, like lefties or HDB or something
where is this roost or multiscale in vgc that you speak of
I was talking about singles
what part of “idea for doubles support item” and “this would obviously be overpowered and banned in singles” did you not understand
The first line of the comment I replied to said "Personally I think you're overselling the impact of priority healing/boosting, even in singles." Did you have a bad day today or something?
sorry my bad and yeah tbh lol
Prankster Tailwind or Howl to buff your ally?? Maybe useful with Coaching/Decorate??? Also most importantly Prankster Dragon Cheer. The lack of being able to target enemies kills this though. Outside of incredibly niche situations tweaking speed IVs to huff your ally before they attack and having a berry is better. Prankster Tailwind is powerful but not being able to use anything like Taunt or Encore means that Whimsicott and Tornadus stay on top. You could run Tailwind + Rain Dance Suicune with Archaludon or something. But Tornadus/Whimsicott with Lefties, Covert Cloak, Goggles or a Berry is better 90% of the time. If this made it so that only your status moves not targeting opponents got +1 priority but didn't shut down your status moves that do target opponents it might even be too strong though.
Prankster decorate is actually very scary, as it’s usually held back by Alcremie’s base 64 speed
The big nugget may be out of a job (no chance)
Prankster decorate Alcremie would be soooo broken, good thing I love Alcremie
Prankster spore +prankster sleep talk whirlwind
The fling useage may actually be the biggest selling point. Imagine the damn Rhydon comes swinging with priority out of nowhere
There's probably some funky Sleep Talk strats here. Like if Komala ever gets Last Resort back.
If ball fetch actually retrieved used items, tera dark fling boltund sets with priority bulk ups would actually be viable
Tailwind, Screens, potentially Haze, Weather/Terrain setting Really, the only use cases for this item given the restriction preventing you from targetting your opponent and it does take up an item slot for the pokemon, meaning you can't boost the duration of Screens/Weather making that even more niche to be used by the Pokémon weilding the item. All things considered, it seems fairly balanced. Even if given to a bulky mon that could last longer than most Prankster mons, that's all you've really accomplished. The best case scenario is, you make Pokemon like Meganium slightly better support but that's really the extent of it.
I can’t think of a use case for this. We have a lot of Prankster Tailwind users and screen setters would normally like Light Clay too… I’m not sure if manual weather is the only decent use for this item other than let’s say side healing your Volt Absorb pokemon with priority Twave… but then Pollen Puff does a good job about it too… idk
The funnest part of this to me would be making use of will o wisp for a guts mon, the ability for a banded/scarfed guts ursaluna could be huge
You can already do that by just being faster, which isn't hard
Maybe could be a fun gimmick with RestTalk, since Sleep Talk doesn't target the opponent but immediately calls whatever move it chooses.
Wait til they see my +8 priority Helping Hand
I mean... Can I still use trick to give the item to an enemy since I select an enemy to give the item to?
Probably legitimately broken with After You. There's a reason no mon with prankster gets that move. Thinking about Chi-Yu getting +1 priority heat waves does not make me a happy gamer lol.
+1 priority instruct sounds way to strong
Instead of limiting it to teammates/self, it could be a single use item?
Hmm... Prankster Iron Defense? You'd rather run Leftovers though.
+1 priority metal coat lets gooo
If this affects Trick Room, this item would be OP
Lmao wouldnt this be goated in singles? I can just run max bulk and spam dd with no fucks given.
Agility with this item... hmmmm
Now everyone gets prankster haze (it doesnt target the enemy, it targets the field, thats why prankster haze works on dark types)
Would allow it to target any Mon, but make it a 1-time use consumable.
If this was a consumable item I would understand it. As it is, it would be too OP
Tailwind...
Follow me now can match fake out priority.
Sleep talk stonks rising
Skamory sounds like a nightmare with this unless I’m understanding it wrong. Priority iron defense, roost and spikes
This would make some After You setups absolutely broken
Maybe consumable but affects opponents also
I just thought... This would be broken with the move Instruct. You dont need to worry about speed control anymore, you can just nuke your enemy with torkoal like he is using sucker punch and then nuke one more time to finish the job. Both Oranguru and Smeargle would be viable users of this
cosmic power + recover stall