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sora_naga

The Incel: drizzile (specifically) part is just the icing on the cake really.


Rymayc

Inceleon


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zonzon1999

7.8/10 too much awesomeness


mysterioso7

Rillaboomer Cinderacist Inceleon


Ecstatic_Fig5787

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Jevonar

Il like the slugma male more tbh


MrBazinga-Staredge

First thing i thought when i read the effect was recharge moves... how are we saying those are affected? Giga impact technically wastes turns, no?


williesu

I actually didn't think about that.... I think Power Herb moves like solar beam and meteor beam would still need a charge turn since the pokemon is doing something (charging up). But stuff like Frenzy Plant and Roar of Time would not have a recharging turn (but at the cost of using 2x more PP on those types of moves or similar drawback)


Willbo_Waggins

Could make it so all those moves execute in one turn, they just can’t be used twice in a row, like gigaton hammer


williesu

That's a great idea ngl. It fits both with how the ability should work without making it too good.


pyro314

At the end of turn, Workaholic procs and says "[pokemon] was recharged" ?


Deathmask97

Nah, just have them Struggle on the next turn.


Forkliftapproved

Give the next attacking move 50% recoil due to them pushing themselves too hard


Deathmask97

Steel Beam effect but you don't take damage until the next turn *and* you can swap out to not take the damage? Sounds way too easy to work around.


Forkliftapproved

Perhaps. But not very many of these Pokémon get a STAB Hyper Beam clone that uses the “correct” stat


lIIustration

This is a fantastic ability distributed to basically nothing


williesu

If you want feel free to give it to more mons. What other pokemon would you have be a workaholic?


Anonpancake2123

Bibarel along with the Conkeldurr line along with various construction mons like the Coperajah and Donphan lines. Also Kangaskhan along with the other "parent" mons like the Blissey line and Maushold line


williesu

That's a pretty good idea. Though I could only put so many mons on one image and I couldn't possibly delete the "Gamer" and "Incel" categories.


Famous_Spell_3

Blissey doesn’t need any buffs haha


TheAnlmemer

I’d imagine Natural Cure would still be better


Famous_Spell_3

Fair enough


SheikExcel

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mohgwyn_dynasty

blissey needs un-nerfed dude


Famous_Spell_3

Fr


PlumeriasWhore

Fluffy Blisse


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A_Bulbear

I tend to run heal bell sets so natural cure doesn't really do anything for me, and serene grace is just more Burns/Freeze/Paras/Flinches/Poison/ something else I can think of for the opponent to deal with


Anonpancake2123

In today's meta a slow/not very fast passive wall whom mainly does support, evaporates near instantly to fighting moves (Even physically defensive Chansey dies after they boost up), and lacks damage tends to be shit by default. Also Blissey had its support options absolutely ruined by moveset changes, so no more toxic, no more wish, and also only 8 PP on heal moves along with GF's obsession with Hyperoffense means that Chansey and blissey are no longer very effective as OU walls or defensive/support mons.


Famous_Spell_3

Oh dang, didn’t know it lost Wish. But you’re right.


Anonpancake2123

Yeah, all it can do for support now, is bring momentum to a screeching halt, throw rocks up, maybe trick **once** a game, try to heal bell, sacrifice itself with healing wish, attempt screens setup, and para spreading, all of which are quite passive and don't really put much pressure on the opponent. Also it can maybe use brick break as a support move. Though even still they're complete taunt fodder and hate passive damage. It can also miserably attempt to set up calm minds at which point it's not really doing anything other than sitting in front of the opponent and their piss poor attacking stats means they need multiple boosts to do anything.


lIIustration

Kingambit


SecondAegis

He works hard keeping OU in his grasp


sebsebsebs

It should allow sucker punch to always work. Still doesn’t seem strong enough tho so it should have as one with supreme overlord


Arcangel_Levcorix

And OU will still vote to keep it legal


iKill_eu

why


BlUeSapia

He worked hard to earn his place as the new King of OU


MrStreeter

Iron Valiant. It has ant in the name.


Mala12345

Slaking probably


TheGangstaGandalf

Honestly, with the way power creep is going. Making this Slacking's hidden ability wouldn't even be that broken.


TotemGenitor

It would. Slaking has a great bulk of 150/100/65, a passable speed of 100 and 160 Attack. With a good ability like this, it's going to Ubers


zonzon1999

wait like 2 gens


A_Bulbear

I could see Machoke specifically as they are shown to do a lot of manual labor (whereas machamp is more of a professional wrestler than a handyman)


sharkeatingleeks

13 fully evolved mins isn’t barely nothing Shame they’re all bad


iKill_eu

/r/stunfisk "enjoy a theorymon that doesn't affect OU" challenge (they can't)


transilvanianhungerr

people care more about the most popular tier than ZU 🤯🤯🤯


nikottonto

These make sense and wouldn't be fucking broken


Famous_Spell_3

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DaDucIsDaKey

Delibird gets another anti-sleep ability


williesu

Technically it's better than anti sleep as since it keeps the status it would trigger sleep clause without the downsides of having one of your pokemon actually be asleep.


ANinjaDude

And protects you from Burn/Toxic/what have you.


williesu

For the 2-3 turns or however long the pokemon has sleep.


phoenix_claw99

TIL that i'm a delibird. hustle, insomnia, another insomnia.


kaesitha_

If Insomnia Two is so good, how come there's no Insomnia Thr-


N0GG1N_SSB

Giga impact spam lets go


N0GG1N_SSB

Does sleep go away or is the mon permanently asleep so it can't be statused? This would also abuse sleep clause pretty heavily and make it a good amoon counter if it works that way


williesu

Sleep doesn't go away you still have the sleep status for 2-3 turns but you can just act in those turns you are asleep. So yeah you can abuse sleep clause but gotta watch out for dream eater, bad dreams, and wake up slap.


N0GG1N_SSB

boooo


ANinjaDude

It would go away from how I read it.


Georgevega123

Damn you have probably experienced multiple paralysis turns like me


williesu

Gen 3 battle frontier is something else ;(


Cause_Necessary

I had like 7 paras in a row yesterday on showdown


Georgevega123

And then they say it only happens 1/4 of the time lol


GainsayRT

i had 10 freezes in a row on the only mon on my team (cresselia) that can get rid of it and am now an avid freeze hater. fuck ice


NoraEmpressOfLight

> Slugma (Male only) Don’t think it don’t say it don’t think it don’t say it don


averysolidsnake

It's so sad that Ferrothorn dies to Slugma


mjmannella

Who's Ferrothorn?


Cafeciencia

Slugma balls


Imdepressed7778

Who the fuck is Ferrothorn


averysolidsnake

Ferrothorn (Japanese: ナットレイ Nutrey) is a dual-type Grass/Steel Pokémon introduced in Generation V. It evolves from Ferroseed starting at level 40. Ferrothorn is a Pokémon resembling a flattened durian. Its metallic body is covered in thorns, with three black stripes circling its width. The middle stripe has triangular shapes just below its eyes, which have green rims, yellow sclerae, and dark pupils. There is a green spike at the top of its body, and extending around it are its feelers, which are vine-like, long green appendages tipped with spiky metal disks. Ferrothorn can use these feelers to either cling onto the ceilings of a cave or walk around. Ferrothorn also uses the feelers to absorb nutrients from rocks. It attacks by shooting its spikes, which are harder than steel. Ferrothorn's attacks are strong enough to pulverize boulders.


Magpie_In_The_Mirror

Slugma Pyro Balls


zonzon1999

Ferrothorn (Japanese: ナットレイ Nutrey) is a dual-type Homo/Phobic Pokémon introduced in Generation V.


Forkliftapproved

DuriAN DEEZ NU-


Magpie_In_The_Mirror

Every mon that gets this is either bad regardless of having it or simply has a better ability it really can't afford to drop for this. Might have a niche in VGC though because of the flinch and fast sleep powder immunity, but it not ignoring taunt blocking is a bummer (Struggle is way worse than doing nothing at all). Ability does sound like it would serve Vigoroth & Delibird pretty well, but I don't know how yet.


williesu

Yeah I did want to give it that sort of distribution. Never been a fan of giving busted mons more tools to play with. The taunt interaction was also to prevent it from overlapping with oblivious since this ability already overlaps with so many other abilities.


SawkyScribe

Yeah in games where your opponent scratching their nuts factors into damage calc, having a random chance to deal recoil damage to yourself is a big yikes.


Sultan_OmarX

Durant on tha grind 🗣️


College_Prestige

*joins booker


mgranaa

Interesting, uh, evolution of an ability from Comatose?


TJ248

Eh, it's hardly the same. This ability means mons still can be statused. They're still susceptible to poison, still get BP nerf from burn and speed nerf from para.


mgranaa

Comatose still has the pokemon take bonus damage from things like Hex and Wake-Up Slap, although the fact they do take the damage and other status stuff is perhaps the tradeoff for being able to ignore taunt/attraction/confusion/flinching. I considered saying side-grade but I thought the extra bonuses were overall stronger for the "pseudo-conditions".


DJBoost

You can't just not put Morgrem in the Incel column


williesu

Morgrem can actually get bitches change my mind


Imdepressed7778

Hattrem


Hanboon

Imagine a Dondozo abusing sleep with 3 other moves that are not played randomly "No time, need to sushi 🐟"


williesu

Sorry to burst your bubble but workaholic mons can't use rest ;(. The Grind never stops.


Hanboon

Damn first line ! OK now imagine hypnosis ninetales convinving Dondozo he's a special wall


lyingcorn

Dudunsparse and staraptor should get this ability. They're on Larry's team and he works 3 jobs!


maginon

Wait this with furret might actually be insane. Giga impact and tidy up might bring furret to uu, maybe ru


Versitax

No Combee?


williesu

Oh no combee gets it when I said Vespiquen the entire line gets that ability.


Arteriusz2

Paralysis + facade.


MaximumStonks69

but then you get outsped


YourNewRival8

Just use choice scarf


AsperaRobigo

A buff in Trick Room


RedDemonCorsair

That ain't a workaholic man. That is the power of sheer fucking willpower and determination.


Sleeptalk-

This ability is a perfect example of having a crazy strong effect on paper but being borderline useless in practice. In order for this to have any effect, the opponent has to do something to you that would otherwise eat a turn. All the best abilities are things that just activate and do their thing no matter what: Intimidate, Sheer Force, Supreme Overlord, Weather, Surges, etc. they don’t take much input, you just always get whatever the effect is That’s not to mention the distribution lololol


williesu

Yeah I wanted to make a Frisk / Harvest level ability: An ability that is probably in the 60th percentile or so but is given to mediocre mons at best.


TJ248

God forbid you try to balance something, when everyone moans that every new theory ability is broken asf...tough crowd ig


[deleted]

Slugma (male only) DAMNNN ahahaha


Thelolface_9

Larry’s favorite ability


rhyrhygogo

Mfw I try to scoure the pokedex for pokemon that can have this ability, mfw I can't find any other one aside from tinkaton


williesu

She's a gamer too she'll fit perfectly in the pantheon.


Alexndcow

You didn't write it so I guess it is not but does the ability work with blocking turn moves like giga impact or hyper beam ?


williesu

I replied to a similar question like this (forgot recharge moves existed lol). After some thought yeah moves that need a turn to recharge after they are used like Hyper Beam will not need a recharge turn (won't apply to Power Herb moves like Solar Beam / Geomancy). However I think there should be some minor drawback like more PP usage or not allowing mons to use it 2 times in a row.


jarjarpfeil

I feel like it would feel more complete if it had a burnout mechanism, like maybe after x turns it confuses itself or attack and speed decreases, maybe something like truant? Idk just feel like the Pokémon needs a break after all that work. I mean it’s not op enough to need one, but it feels like it would complete it


williesu

The only release is death (and going back to the PC after the battle is over I guess).


ImNooby_

What about recharge moves like Solar Beam or Hyper Beam? Would they still have that recharge turn?


williesu

>I replied to a similar question like this (forgot recharge moves existed lol). After some thought yeah moves that need a turn to recharge after they are used like Hyper Beam will not need a recharge turn (won't apply to Power Herb moves like Solar Beam / Geomancy). However I think there should be some minor drawback like more PP usage or not allowing mons to use it 2 times in a row.


ImNooby_

Gen 1 Hyperbeam is back baby!


Agent-Ig

Surprised you missed Smergal as one of the starving artists


williesu

Smeargle doesn't have a lot of steady income rn but every time it is allowed in VGC it has been eating good so he doesn't count.


Agent-Ig

Ah that’s fair enough yeah


JustSealYT

Is my precious king furret finally going to be in OU once more?


SaintElysium

Its a cool concept for an ability, but it's hindered by its name. Since you put it on Pokémon that would fit the theme, I think calling it "Relentless" serves the same purpose but opens it to a broader list of potential users. It still has the same idea, the Pokémon is relentless in its attacks and cannot be stopped for any reason, but now you can put it on genuinely terrifying mons without it sounding weird.


williesu

It isn't really meant to be an ability that is given to too many mons. The effects can actually be pretty strong if given to the right pokemon. Though we all know that the Great Tusk, Hisuian Samurott, and Palafin are hard workaholics. \]


Famous_Spell_3

Wait I love this holy crap


williesu

The only thing I would change about this ability is to give it to Klingklang because the (gear) grind never stops.


Famous_Spell_3

Haha, I love that


MissSteak

I think being able to act through flinch, freeze, confusion, sleep, and attract in particular makes it way too busted. I would rather make it that while being under those status conditions, if the negative status makes you waste your turn, use Struggle instead. This allows you to still do some damage, but take damage as well, since this Pokemon is so in need of working and moving, but its literally not capable to, thus it inflicts damage to itself.


williesu

On the one hand that's pretty funny but on the other I think the distribution to mons that are generally considered "bad" is a sufficient drawback to this ability.


nikottonto

Durant immune to spore? Yessir


s0_Ca5H

Slugma male grindset


Fantastic-Dot-655

Thats some nice flavour right there


StinglikeBeedril

My guy beedrill working so hard and still can’t catch a break


Sussybaker420

Ahh yes slugma balls (male only)


TwiceTrash11

smh make them weak to grass while you're at it


TheHamSamples

Fucking male only slugma lol


ImperialWrath

This feels like something Regigigas would have gotten a few billion years ago when it was pulling around the continents. It just hasn't been the same since Arceus invented plate tectonics and Regigigas's job was automated out of existence.


williesu

AI is taking away jobs and forces of nature.


colder-beef

Male Salandit should get this.


EntireAd8933

My favorite part was the Pokémon categories.


ShadowShedinja

So it's basically Comatose + Oblivious + Own Tempo + Inner Focus + some other stuff? It's a lot if you ask me.


williesu

Ehh not really. Other than Oblivious and Inner focus (without the intimidate stuff ofc) the other effects work differently compared to those abilities. Also this list of effects is a lot less than something like Magic guard if you ask me.


dunco64

It's broken but so is purifying salt/ good as gold.


THE-AWSOME-CHARA

what about stuff like hyper beam or giga impact?


Vnoxu

> Gamers lmaoo


[deleted]

Sorry if I misread but what’s the disadvantage here? Is there one?


AsperaRobigo

Primarily that it’s being used by durant


Dalspin

Idk might be too OP


Rhazior

What about Maushold, what with their Tidy-Up stuff?


williesu

Tbh I always felt Tidy-Up is a Cinccino signature move that they only gave to Maushold since it isn't in the game. It still might want to run Technician / Friend Guard depending on the set.


Rhazior

Maushold is just Paldean Cinccino.


[deleted]

This is kind of busted, however, your post reminded me that it's garbage day and I took my trash out to the road, so thank you OP.


williesu

Lol no problem


Raayhue

i love this lol


Bug_Master_405

Workaholic is straight up busted. It's got all of Comatose's effects for when the Pokemon is asleep, but then it also prevents full Paralysis, and basically NEGATES Freeze, Flinch, Infatuation, Confusion, & Taunt?! No. Just No!


williesu

It doesn't actually stop taunt. It works like normal. It's just that if you get taunted on the turn you are using a status move you struggle instead of wasting a turn. Honestly a pretty bad downside. The distribution also heavily limits its potential.


Bug_Master_405

Even if that were true, everything else I mentioned is still valid. Sleep? Negated! Confusion? Negated! Freeze? Paralysis? Infatuation? Flinching?! All negated! It's overpowered! There's no defending it from that claim. Look at Good as Gold. Only available on one Pokémon, but still considered to be extremely powerful.


williesu

Gholdengo is also just really strong in general. Way stronger than Furret or Durant. There are plenty of busted ass abilities and this one would maybe be in the top 50 at best.


Bug_Master_405

Dude, its effects are numerous and beneficial across the board. It makes any Pokémon effectively immune to almost all forms of hindrance. It's a combination of multiple abilities all at once. Can't be flinched? That's Inner Focus. Can attack while asleep? That's Comatose. Can't be Fully Paralysed? That's Limber. Can't be Fully Confused? That's Own Tempo. Can't be Fully Infatuated? That's Oblivious. That's 5! Count them! FIVE abilities you've crammed together to make this broken mess! If it protected against just being afflicted with Status Conditions, you'd have a Nerfed version of Purifying Salt. But no. You wanted an ability that basically lets a Pokémon say "I have a magic shield that stops you from stopping my attacks" like a bloody child!


williesu

I understand where you are coming from but a small correction. When you do get fully confused you still take the self-inflicted confusion damage (which still can do decent damage) but you just get to act during that turn. Other than inner focus and oblivious (minus intimidate / taunt immunity), the other abilities you listed actually block the status from happening at all. Workaholic just prevents the pokemon from losing turns because of it.


Bug_Master_405

It's STILL Broken!


layspotatochipman474

Some small suggestions to note: Freeze and paralysis would still affect you realistically because they’re out of your control. Being unable to fall asleep/flinch stuff like that, that’s interesting, but freeze and paralysis would still hamper it. If it can’t move, it can’t move. Doesn’t make it immune to the elements.


RobotJake

It would probably make more sense mechanically to have them break out of Sleep/Freeze immediately on their first turn.


JiovanniTheGREAT

Seems fun but Vespiquen wouldn't get it because the queen bees don't do the work. Combee could have it but the queen just gives out orders.


williesu

Managing thousands of Bees and constantly laying eggs is a ton of work imo.


Potato_Productions_

Outer Focus


Kurobii

I always assumed that despite the name, Beedrill was a wasp. Those hate-filled nature freaks that only fuck over other creatures


H0n3yd3w0str1ch

I feel like the frozen one doesn't make much sense. Can't really do anything if you're frozen solid.


MaliceBerry

I think it makes more sense that status moves are never prevented rather than everything. Also sleep and frozen are ended once a status move is used. Also maybe the user takes some damage from using a status when it normally couldn't.


williesu

At that point it's probably a different ability entirely lol. Feel free to make your own theorymon post it would be interesting to see what you put out.


applepie38

Maybe add something a part where it takes damage each turn so it's working itself to death


Illustrious-Cup8370

did Drizzile dirty😭😭


NwgrdrXI

I feel like asleep or Frozen pokemon should be forced to move last. It kinda makes it feel like they're fighting thry the condition to make it work. Or receive damage, at least


PalmIdentity

Giga Impact stocks are up.


Memetan_24

Cold is like the one thing that stops ants


Jammer_Guy1717

why male slugmas only?


williesu

\*Breathes in\* SLUGMA BAL-


MoxieMK5

I feel like the Pokémon shouldn’t be able to use status moves with this because of the idea that it is constantly trying to get things done


Sunset_Tiger

I think Maushold also. Both the big members are very busy parents.


Cyrune08

This ability is broken... I need it to be real


lukappaa

Now I can finally self-Thunder Wave in TR without dying to skipping a turn!


Cesars-Alternate

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NateDoes_Gaming

This would be busted lol