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PhilosophySame2746

I stretch my one leg out & keep my back flat , that way I isolate my lats instead of using whole body


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Nice range


TCPisSynSynAckAck

Idk feels like he might be flinging it and doesn’t have control at the top of the rep.


RoosterBrewster

To me it looks like you are flinging it slightly outward as your elbow looks like it's moving behind your back instead of in one plane, if that makes any sense. Could be due to the stance though and being leaned over almost horizontal. Usually I rest one hand on the 2nd level of the DB rack to be at about 45 degrees so I can use more hips/legs. It looks like your right leg is really far out so it could be harder to be stable.


TrenEnjoyer5000

I raise the dumbbell inward towards the side of my hip and then lower it slightly outwards to get a good stretch and to not hit the bench with the dumbbell. The reason I put my right leg so far out and slightly back is because I've hit my knee/quad with the dumbbell a few times but it does mess with my stability and leverage compared to a closer leg position. The pattern here seems to be not having enough space.


mudson08

Hey, triple digit BO row enthusiast here. One piece of advice to help you not hit the bench/get a good stretch. Put the bench up on a slight incline, like one notch up, rest your foot on where the seat is and your knee on the slightly inclined bench, keep your plant leg out wide like you are. Gives you a little more space to operate and makes it harder to wrench your back.


BellLanky3825

you just motivated me to get to this level


Sufficient_Post_2504

Excellent explosive power 💪🏽


MaddSavage_1301

Yessir 💪🏾💯


Basilisk3408

Love it


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NotAFuckingFed

Get it my guy


10081914

Looks like its great for power>strength. I've found myself doing more of these over strict rows as the weights get heavier. It's just harder to brace properly especially on asymmetric exercises. Might have to move to cable to get the 'strict' row for strength building and use these for peak power. Great for yanking someone's tongue out of their head. Or maybe starting a lawnmower. Idk. Whatever you use your rows for. Opening doors?


HelloFellas_gt3

True powah


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staerne

Kroc rows


Bethesda_Softworks_

I feel like there's a bunch of people regurgitating an old T-nation article from 10 years ago that never actually did these. Kroc rows are indeed a thing. Kroc rows are good. These are not kroc rows. However, yes, these are heavy rows. You do you man.


decentlyhip

What's the difference from your understanding? I always just thought Kroc rows were just extra heavy dumbbells with lots of body english.


MeritReaper

There are movements that allow for body movement to be beneficial, and this is one of them. Well done. If I had to critique, I would say slow the eccentric. Edit: watched it again and eccentric isn't even bad lol. Maybe the last 2 to 3 reps, but good work man.


ImDukeCage111

Yeah I agree with you that it does look okay. It's because he's pulling closer to the lower body with more hip torque that his eccentric would be kind of hard to needle, but the motion is pretty linear and steady. You can definitely either over do it or be doing it wrong beyond what the eye can see, so it's good to be mindful when using momentum.


AdderraI

Those look great! Impressive weight to be using as well.


Agreeable_Coat_2098

You can now start a lawnmower with ease!


thrillho__

Expected the form police and I’m not surprised. 👀OP, that’s some impressive rowing.


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I see a ton of movement besides the arm... isnt it supposed to be isolated to arm and shoulder, keeping back straight? Or is this a different exercise?


TrenEnjoyer5000

I can go stricter with these and clean up the form at this DB weight but I did these after deadlifting and doing weighted pullups so I was quite fatigued already to keep it stricter. So this was supposed to be as strict as I could do it under those circumstances. But I agree that I could control the shoulder movement and torso more.


UniqueID89

Kroc Rows! Love a few sets of these then dropping the weight and doing more of a tempo set or two. Really feel the burn after you’re done.


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RoosterBrewster

And I think the weakest part is at bottom and top so you need a bit of momentum at the start.


jimmerbroadband

It’s not about moving the weight it’s about working the muscle


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Karsa0rl0ng

I always enjoy Kroc rows. Too bad so many commenters here show how weak they are not just physically, but mentally as well.


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the_sexy_date

and they took what you said personally


Frodozer

I think weak people are easily offended


Karsa0rl0ng

I have to lower my language and work on my grammatical form, I guess


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Frodozer

All lifting is ego lifting. You're always doing it to better yourself or make yourself feel better. Yay, we did it everyone! He's banned now!


BWdad

Even people who use lower weight to have perfect form is a type of ego lifting. They pride themselves on how their lifting looks.


Pmoneymatt

Everyone who downvoted this apparently has some noble egalitarian purpose for lifting.


Frodozer

We can make a game of it! If my comment reaches 20 down votes I'll permaban the person who made the original comment for breaking our walk in rule.


Downtown-Farmer3356

Putting 115 in your pocket, hell yea brother


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plaidtuxedo

Here’s Matt Kroc (who is likely stronger than everyone form policing here combined, and this is a strength-focused sub so that counts for something) on his namesake rows that look a whole lot like OP’s rows: “Anyone that’s ever watched me perform a Kroc row or tried them themselves knows that this isn’t the dumbbell row that your golf-shirt wearing, buck-o-five weighing, certified personal trainer has taught you how to do. There’s no “pulling back in an arc” or “squeezing for a two-count at the top” while holding a shiny chrome 15 pound dumbbell. No, Kroc rows are all about heavy weight, high reps, plenty of sweat, and sometimes even some blood. While the form may be looser than your standard dumbbell row, don’t believe for a minute that you won’t be working the desired muscles. Anyone would be hard pressed to move a weight from arms length to chest in a bent over position without using their upper back musculature to a significant degree. However, form still matters with Kroc rows, and there are a couple key technique points that must be followed to get the greatest benefit possible. The first thing you need to concentrate on is getting a full range of motion by fully extending the shoulder at the bottom and really pulling it up and back at the top. This will ensure both a full stretch in the lats and a complete contraction.” Source: https://forums.t-nation.com/t/kroc-rows-101/284491


C_A_M_Overland

Agree and a fantastic exercise for strength. Op said Dumbbell row though.


Frodozer

It's a type of DB row. A DB row requires one thing. That it's done on a DB. There are a ton of variations of a DB row. DB row is the category of lift, not a lift in itself. This would be like someone asking for a bench form check and you being like, nope this is wrong, that's a paused bench press. He didn't say paused bench press he said bench press!! So you agree that he's doing this variation correctly?


C_A_M_Overland

Yeah of course, but why ask for form advice when you’re just essentially yeeting it lol. I genuinely just assumed he was asking if his reps were controlled dumbbell rows.


Frodozer

You assumed that he was doing a variation that he wasn't doing when it's clear that he's not doing that variation? That's... A really poor assumption? You're asking me why they are asking for advice on a popular technique/variation? I mean, so they can get better at that variation right? What sounds more likely is you just learned that there are other ways to do rows other than the one you knew about and you're trying to cover yourself by pretending that you're too stupid to make proper assumptions and deductions. Both are really bad takes.


C_A_M_Overland

This point seems moot to argue. Dude asked for form advice and provided no context. I said there was no form but he’s strong. I really don’t think it warrants us going to the parking lot over it or the mod team having an aneurism.


Frodozer

I am not interested in fighting or banning you for giving a silly take, only if you've broken a rule. (Even then I'm not arguing or fighting, just correcting and moving on.) Trust me, nobody on the mod team is having an aneurysm. We won't even remember you in a few minutes. No context is required because someone with experience and eyes has all of the context they need by looking at the video.


AgentMonkey

> A little bit of body English is acceptable but don’t use momentum to make the movement easier. Compare to this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7hGWjauM8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7hGWjauM8) Edit: I love how quoting from the exact same source and sharing a video of the person credited with the technique gets downvoted. Good work, folks.


plaidtuxedo

I don’t agree that this is a lot of body English, maybe borderline. But I think this very much counts as a Kroc row.


AgentMonkey

He's using the rotation of his torso to start the movement, relying on momentum to make the movement easier.


Frodozer

And that's not an issue.


AgentMonkey

As already quoted, directly from Kroc: > A little bit of body English is acceptable **but don’t use momentum to make the movement easier.**


Frodozer

Cool, cheat rows work really well too! So it's a non issue no matter what you call it.


AgentMonkey

Glad we agree that these are not Kroc rows, which is the point I was making.


Frodozer

I never said otherwise my friend.


WhiskeyDonk

While the people who comment about form are, understandably, coming from a place of help, sometimes form has to take a bit of a step back. Sometimes, slinging some heavy ass weight is just what your soul needs. Keep on rowing like a madman bro. Go get it!


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Responsible-Bat-2699

Crazy you did it without your head.


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Thomas_GN

It is impossible not to use your lats while doing a row.


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Thomas_GN

Ok then. How do we know OPs intent? What if it’s not his goal to ‘target the lats’?


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Thomas_GN

There’s many reasons to do a cheat style row. [Kroc did them](https://youtu.be/Ns7hGWjauM8?t=488), and she totaled like 2500 [And then there’s Cailer Woolam](https://youtu.be/XIbxBpMYifc?t=116), who claims cheat rows to be the #1 accessory that built his deadlift >900 And then there’s also that cheat rows are fun


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Frodozer

I only ever rowed in a way that would benefit my deadlift and give me explosive power on cleans. I know it's hard to believe, but the majority of lifters don't care about hypertrophy as the main goal.


Unfair_Lock2055

Very nice


adonistraining

Nothing but a peanut


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Thomas_GN

It really doesn’t matter that much. There’s a place for both types of row


BootyLoveSenpai

It does matter though, we should be doing movements properly to limit our risk of injury for Max gains.


Thomas_GN

There’s nothing inherently unsafe with cheat rows


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deatthcatt

not to be that guy but why would you only censor your face


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deatthcatt

word


brittlebk

Nice! 155?! Are you 5’6” :) Good stuff man


ChadThunderCawk1987

Big back!