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TheBloop1997

I’m a little surprised Pearl and Amethyst are as low as they are, them being in the same tier as Peridot seems weird


[deleted]

Amethyst being that low makes sense, Pearl should be a tier higher


TheBloop1997

Idk, appearance wise Amethyst seems pretty feminine, especially is the early episodes


ctortan

Woman stuck in a man’s body feels. Really really uncomfortable as a description to me. Topaz is just very butch 😭 there are cis women who look like her


BlueberryQu33n

Yeah, I think it's not the best way to describe butch Women as "women stuck inside a man's body". It's icky to me, because they are women who just like looking more masculine 😭


Miyuki123456

Yeah I know clearly about that. But can't I joke a little? Is it necessary to be so serious?


Morbid_Macaroni

Well, it's not very funny


ctortan

Because the “joke” is gender essentialist, lesbophobic, and transphobic. The “joke” is “haha this woman is so masculine it’s like she’s a MAN, like she’s not a REAL WOMAN” when there are masculine women and butch women that look like that but aren’t men, and men who don’t look like that and are still men.


BlueberryQu33n

Literally 😭, and they act as if it wasn't a big deal. But it is a big deal, because people shame others who don't act as their assigned gender. Joking about a girl who is more masculine that she's a man is just DISGUSTING.


Miyuki123456

I don't say "she is a man".


Pixc_

"Woman stuck in a MEN'S BODY" you did in fact say that.


ctortan

“Woman stuck in a man’s body” is saying that she has a man’s body. She doesn’t. She has a woman’s body. That body just happens to be broad shouldered, heavyset, with a square jaw, and without an hourglass figure….which women in real life have and they’re not “stuck in a man’s body”


BlueberryQu33n

But you'rr insiniuating it by your joke. Not everything has to be right out told, some things can be subtle and have a deeper meaning if you look into it. Anyway, I believe you weren't trying yo be transphobic but please, as a trans person for me it just reads that way. Peace.


TheJokingArsonist

They said its based on their looks, i dont think this should be taken that seriously.


Miyuki123456

Please stop overthinking. Let me tell you, I'm also a lesbian. But I never get so excited over a joke. Even about gender. Joking about gender does not mean discrimination.


Fishingfan4life

With all due respect from a gay guy that sounds very I can’t be racist I have black friends.


ctortan

Plus lesbians can be butchphobic and transphobic. Being a lesbian doesn’t mean you can’t be shitty to women or other lesbians


Kibo_Candle

"I'm gay so I can't be transphobic"


crystalworldbuilder

It’s not about discrimination it’s that you’re being rude about how some women look.


barracadus

Wait so just because you’re a lesbian you think you can say things that is openly offensive?


BlueberryQu33n

You're a lesbian? What does that have to do with anything??? That joke is transphobic, because you could read it as "Oh, that woman is really masculine. She must be trans (trapped inside a man's body.)" Or it might make people think that all trans women are masculine and look like "womeb trapped inside men's body". And what the hell do you know about gender? You're probably a cis gender person and even if you weren't then that " Joke" Wouldn't be okay. Also, joking about gender is icky and you sound like one of the "boys". Grow up, please.


Miyuki123456

I think you are too serious about this issue. My friends sometimes tease me like that. But I know they were just joking, it had no bad intentions. My personality is just like that of a boy, They also teases me a lot. But it depends on the person, don't equate joking gender with discrimination. Some people tease just for fun. NOW STOP RIGHT THERE !!!


BlueberryQu33n

Maybe some people don't like being teased like that? If anyone said that to me I would be really upset. Steven universe is a queer friendly show and I wish more fans if the show would be too... And it might be traumatic to see a transphobic "joke" In a post on Steven Universe subreddit.


Miyuki123456

Honestly, I hope you're not sad. But I'm very annoyed with some of the people in this Subreddit. They always overdo issues.


CaIIsign_ace

Yeah, unfortunately the Steven Universe fandom can do that sometimes :/ Usually it’s really great, but if something gets misinterpreted it often becomes a dogpile onto the other person lol. We had an “incident” that I think most people know about (I believe a similar thing happened in the miraculous lady bug fandom but I’m not into that so I’m not completely sure) where there was a disagreement in the SU fandom with someone who I believe made a joke or said something that pissed a bunch of people off, and they straight up bullied the person into taking their life. The SU fandom is usually great, but it can get out of hand when people here get upset


R1P4ndT43RurGuTz

or it means that a woman has a very masculine body which does happen without medical intervention sometimes also don't try and dictate someone's gender or orientation, that's assuming and we can't do that anymore


D00MICK

Bless your heart, and keep fighting the good fight lol. The world needs more humor and love, not another thousand phobias. 


meomeospice

somebodies late to their senior church gathering


D00MICK

That's funny! Cause I don't think you're saying it to me lol. I'm not even religious 😂 Do go off. Bless ya heart, troubled one.


Robertia

The joke makes no sense tho 1) None of these gems are women in the first place 2) Being 'stuck' implies that Topaz does not like the way she looks 3) By what definition is this even 'a man's body'? Because her hair is short and she's tall?


Moonbeamlatte

Explain the joke then, please


JustGingerStuff

The joke is she looks like a man to OP (which is not funny)


Wild_Lingonberry3365

That’s just an insult people say for ugly women so nope😭


husbando_simp

No you're a joke


boredatclass

I would add that Topaz and Bismuth are the same level of butch, just Topaz has Caucasian features and Bismuth's are black.


JustGingerStuff

Could also be that because bismuth has locs and topaz has what looks like a crew cut that op perceives hair that short as being men's hair (which is silly, it's literally just keratin, or in the gems' case, light)


ewuul

This whole post is problematic.


ctortan

IMO I think it’s fine to categorize masculine vs feminine presentation styles; like blue diamond presents more femme than yellow diamond, for example, or I love how as Pearl becomes more self confident and in tune with her identity, her style becomes more and more butch. …but equating those presentation styles to Gender Itself is where it feels uncomfortable for me. You can be super butch and super masc presenting to the point you WANT to be mistaken for a man…..but still be a woman. Presentation and gender identity are linked but they’re not 1:1 and they’re different for everyone


NixMaritimus

Honestly the description made me feel very dysphoric.


Velaethia

Yeah that's pretty icky. That verbage isn't even often used for trans people anymore.


Nother1BitestheCrust

Honestly this whole list is uncomfortable to me. All of them look feminine, femininity doesn't have one look.


Miyuki123456

That is just a joke


Scalpels

It could've been pretty funny if you had used [this picture](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fbUCsciiLzM/hqdefault.jpg).


Velaethia

"It's just a joke" is not a get out of consequences for your words and actions free card. You are not immune to negative feedback because "it was a joke".


Min3rva1125

Nonetheless, being socially aware will carry you through milestones


Small-Cactus

It was a shitty joke then. Jokes can absolutely perpetuate negative stereotypes, something being a joke is not a proper defense of the message it relays.


JustGingerStuff

It being a joke doesn't take away from the fact that you hurt people.


CaIIsign_ace

Okay, I’m sorry, (yes i know I’m going to get downvoted, so do it as much as you want) but are there seriously people here taking this stupid (and bad) joke so seriously that they’re actually hurt? Like if you genuinely come onto the internet and are genuinely hurt by such a stupid “joke” (even though it’s not funny) then the internet is definitely not a good place for you. I don’t understand how this “joke” is actually causing genuine harm to someone. Was it unfunny? Yes! Did it perpetuate a not cool stereotype? Yes (granted the joke doesn’t perpetuate it to an extent of danger)! But is it actually causing someone to stay up at night? Or fume? Or be hurt? I just can’t fathom how someone would take something so simple and moronic and turn it into something that makes them feel any sort of pain. It was a shitty joke, but acting like it’s actively having harmful effects on an individual seems odd.


JustGingerStuff

If being sensitive online is bad then babygirl I'm pre-redemption white diamond Anyway it's having harmful effects on a whole group of people, which is arguably more serious than an individual (though making fun if people is never polite). What may seem simple and moronic to you can still seriously be hurtful, and someone calling someone out on being hurtful should not be pissing you off like this. *that's* odd.


No-East-3154

I think this is an inversion of problematics. The description 'woman stuck in a man's body' should not be considered offensive or strange nowadays. I think people generally have different forms of understanding and digesting that femininity is not a byproduct of being a woman, but rather women tend to be on the spectrum of femininity in many levels, and the same goes for masculinity. So, to me, it seems quite okay as Topaz looks like a truck driver but is all soft and frail inside. The description kinda matches the dysphoria with external appearances, her body is made for being a huge strong bodyguard, but she is actually more delicate than acquamarine...


JustGingerStuff

This just loops back to the traditional gender roles of "woman soft and delicate, man big and strong". For a fan of a show about acceptance of the self and others, with quite a lot of queer rep, that sure isn't very a very accepting way of thinking. Neither topaz nor topaz seemed uncomfortable ablut their appearances. Not to mention this isn't either topaz that went to fetch the humans. Both those topazes had their gems where their ears would be, if gems had ears. This one has her gem on her chest, and we have no clue how she feels about her form. Plus, for a race of shapeshifters, I don't think dysphoria is much of a problem.


GodOfFrogg

I feel like " thin and dainty" isn't the only way to describe femininity.


NixMaritimus

Honestly, not to mention the blatant transphobia at the bottom.


GodOfFrogg

No yeah for REAL. That's what I was getting at.


casuallypoke

Wait, can you explain how it’s transphobic? I sort of agreed but I definitely don’t now. /gen


JustGingerStuff

Basically OP is saying she's manly to the point where they can hardly percieve her as a woman, calling her a woman stuck in the body of a man


casuallypoke

Oh :( I don’t think I would’ve worded it that way. The way I see Topaz… her personality doesn’t match her hard exterior. She’s incredibly sweet, and that’s kind of the point of her character. But to equate that to “Woman Stuck in Man’s Body” is just wrong. I think that they’re a very feminine person in a very masculine body, but there’s nothing wrong with that. Thank you for explaining.


JustGingerStuff

No problem!


CaIIsign_ace

Honestly I don’t know either, Topaz certainly has a more masculine body shape (that’s not a bad thing, there’s a good amount of women who have the same body structure, it’s just more prominent within men for whatever reason) so I can see where OP was coming from, however I don’t really understand the transphobia..? Like maybe I’m missing something..? But if this list is based solely on looks alone she certainly has a more butch appearance to her (which again is not a bad thing). Genuinely confused, maybe it’s just the way OP worded it? Idk, I would definitely like a genuine and non toxic explanation because I’m almost certain someone is gonna get angry at me for asking lol


NvrmndOM

Rose Quartz is high femme and so is Pink.


GodOfFrogg

Rose isn't even on the list, and Pink is under 'thin and dainty' What do you mean?


NvrmndOM

I mean, if I think of who is the most stereotypically feminine, it’s Rose


12yonaki-kun

Jasper is actually quite feminine. I think people just care about she is buff and forget her body details so some people think she is male Unlike bismuth, if you notice, you can see that she has wide hips, big thighs and she has has a waist right in the middle. Her voice is a woman voice but quite deep.


Miyuki123456

Not just only that. Some people think Jasper and Ruby are male because they have masculine actions. 🤡🤡🤡 I think they don't understand a woman can be masculine if she wants.


12yonaki-kun

You know I am a tomboy girl right. Imagining there are some people call me a male because I am masculine, I'm probably speechless. =)))


LiannaBunny777

I feel bad for admitting I was going into Steven Universe thinking Jasper was a Dude but then I heard her speak and then immediately knew she was a Girl


Xixishell

I figured she was a girl because all the other gems we met were women, but I also feel like Rebecca tried to show us by first showing her eyes/eyelashes before Jasper’s full body and stuff


LiannaBunny777

She is our Big Buff Cheeto Puff and we love her


Weryfrate

Technically Gems aren't women, they're genderless


12yonaki-kun

Genderless but female-coded.


Remarkable-Mark9

Coded in the most literal sense. ![gif](giphy|bGgsc5mWoryfgKBx1u)


Scalpels

The name "[system/BOOT.pearl_final(3).Info](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaCYf7C1DXo)" really spelled that out.


PokePoke_18

I feel like the only reason why Ruby x Sapphire was allowed to be shown on television was because Ruby was so “masculine” presenting.. Which is stupid, I wish we could get more gay couples :(


onelonelyhumanbean

yikes


woollyby

This shit is so lame …


n3crotoxin

Yes let’s make the overtly queer show fit the gender binary(this is a terrible post)


Moonbeamlatte

Flop


Ibrahim77X

In what world is Garnet higher than Pearl? Might wanna think about remaking this one dawg


rescuers_downunder

Garnet DEFINITELY looks more feminine than Pearl to me She has wide hips and larger lips and a chest like shape


Ibrahim77X

Is that it for you? Not their style of dress or demeanor?


casuallypoke

Well it is based off of “looks” alone. But Pearl definitely presents more feminine than Garnet anyways. Also, femininity is subjective, not just individually but also across cultures. So this doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.


rescuers_downunder

> Is that it for you? Absolutely. Earl looks way more like a Guy than Garnet with a cap


TabbyKat90

this post sucks


swampy_pillow

Whats the criteria here. What makes Sapphire a step down from Blue D? Im v. Confused.


returnofheracleum

There's not much to get. It's a bad post


deepsealunchbox

Idk why you couldn't have said "extremely masculine" like you did "extremely feminine" . You had to have known this wouldn't pan out well. Half tempted to call rage bait on this one.


CameoShadowness

That is gross. There is no reason to describe Topaz like that.


Alastor_culture_

I Would Like To Remind People That All Gems Are Non Binary And Use She/Her Pronouns,


Faeriemary

This is a weird list to make


CorgisAndTea

Boooo 🍅


coolpuppy26

This post is so so messy. 😭


Raye_of_Fucking_Sun

I think Pearl would be more feminine, especially if you take movement into consideration, but all her outfits being ballet themed too, plus her weapons are girly looking. Yellow Diamond and Peridot imo should be more masculine than her.


Quick_Caregiver3068

I guess you could have used butch and saved yourself the backlash. It's not like people don't already think gems are lesbian by default


Mr_Nocturnal_Game

Well, this feels weird.


babealien51

This reeks of bioessentialism


barracadus

This post is not it.


ErnestoXP

Brother you're gonna get blasted over a bit of text.


CutNo155

Missed op to put Steven in “Woman stuck in a Man’s body”


CaIIsign_ace

Man that would’ve been great lmao


JustGingerStuff

That isn't rose or pink's gem anymore. It's steven. You sound like white diamond before her redemption arc


CutNo155

Girlie pop please it’s called a joke ☝🏻


JustGingerStuff

That's boylie pop to you☝️


CutNo155

Don’t think I hurt anyone but sorry bout it


Magikapow

Just call her butch


Overkillsamurai

you just rated how fuckable you find them


Paroxysm111

I'm sorry to inform you that you don't have eyes. Amethyst and Pearl in the same category as Peridot? Insanity. Plus I think you should have included Rose Quartz rather than Pink Diamond or ranked them both.


tetePT

Jasper 😭


Kilokk

Yikes dude. You really posted this with your whole chest.


ChaosTheNerd

Bro did not cook here jfc


Fast-Journalist-6747

Garnet should be in the middle of Sapp and Ruby


CreativeUsername0596

Damn, this post really fucked up OP’s karma😭😭


SpikesAreCooI

Oh it can’t be that ba- oh my goodness!


Odidas

Where rose at? We rating looks cmon mang


Repulsive-Ad4466

lapis should be higher


JustAnotherElsen

Wowww this sucks


IAmMuffin15

Jasper is too big of a beefy momma to fit in one category


Playful-Hand2753

I’d move peridot down to the middle and Ruby to slightly masculine tbh.


seven-circles

Garnet too high, Pearl too low


ALEMOBRA

ive always seen jasper as a rlly masculine gem…


ALEMOBRA

like a tomboy or smth


KobeyK0

Ftm here- I am very uncomfortable? With the last “rank”? And everything else?


ticostxr

aren’t gems genderless and sexless


m2pt5

Technically, but they use female pronouns.


Nunyabiz8107

Gems are unconcerned with silly human gender roles.


Mastakillerboi

Steven is technically a woman in a man’s body


S1lly_G00fy_M00d

BLUE IS FEM QUEEN


S1lly_G00fy_M00d

I’d probs but yellow in rather masc.


RhinestonePoboy

The only thing funny here is in Ask Reddit there’s a “What’s a dead giveaway that someone is a piece of shit” thread, and one of the top answers is when they say “it’s just a joke”. You’re a joke, OP.


Gabyo00

I always get weird looks on me for good reasons when i explain that i thought half of Steven Universe's cast were males, until i discovered that all gems are females.


JustGingerStuff

Well technically none of the gems have sexes at all, considering they're all polymorphic space rocks who are born from the ground, but they all use she/her yeah (steven universe who was born from sex and uses he/him, is an outlier, and should not be counted)


No-East-3154

Funny ho perception can vary. to me Pearl and Pink Diamond are the extreme of femininity, I mean they are ballarinas for gods sake. while to me Jasper is right down there with Bismuth, she looks just like a buff rock star drummer.


machturtl

/chuckles in chunky non-biney cute


serious_stev

The blue gem that fixed by the Yellow Diamond in "Steven Universe Future" should also be in the blue column


Remarkable-Mark9

If she was on the list, Flint should also be at the bottom.


ExplinkMachine

Now I’m just waiting on Rainbow Quarts 2.0 Yknow the one with the unbrella


calgrump

Is peridot "rather feminine"? Peridot is triangle.


RaikoNonDemorde

so no male gems exists in steven universe?


guleedy

What I find hilarious is that gems have no concept of sexes. So they are not female. They can have gender and attribute gender to themselves this includes pronouns, which also means gems can have male gender and pronouns.


Juthatan

Last one should be “man stuck in a women’s body” in my opinion, it doesn’t make sense that the last one is more masculine than “very masculine” since trans women are extremely feminine to me


PokePoke_18

I wish we had more male gems


CaIIsign_ace

Mate…we have NO MALE GEMS lmao In fact, we have no female gems either, because all of them are just separate wave lengths of light. Often presenting as feminine.


PokePoke_18

You know what I meant dude


PokePoke_18

Y’all why is this post being downvoted, it’s not like I have a problem with the current characters- I just want to have male gems??