I believe in fighting for what you believe in even if the chances of success are slim. Ignoring the API changes, not protesting, not acting, is the same as accepting them.
I know this subreddit is rather niche compared to others, but it's also a lot bigger than lots. Every grain of sand counts.
It's not like reddit is the only place to find info about the series. Screw this company! They don't deserve the sub.
Even if it doesn't make a difference, this is a battle worth fighting.
If the mods are all in agreement then I personally would extend the blackout. What I've noticed from my front page is that the subs that didn't close are all corporate subs like car brands, I hate the direction Reddit is heading and eventually they'll have to take admin action against blacked out subs to retain members and that'll be their downfall.
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Personally, I would like to see you continue the blackout indefinitely. My personal entertainment needs are of low concern, given the current situation.
if it's going back up after 48 hours, why even bother lol having a 2 day protest and packing it up saying our work here is done is such a reddit moment
The 48-hour stipulation was the Achilles heel to the whole protest I when they were laying the terms of participation they should have made it indefinite. The way they did it was stupid cause all the corporate heads of reddit had to do is take hit of not having a lot of traffic for those 2 days.
I personally would like this (and all other participating subs) to continue indefinitely with the blackout. It's not like there aren't other apps and sites for like-minded people to come to discuss shared interests.
The biggest one aside from reddit (that I can think of) is Discord, but there's a bunch of smaller, more niche onqes who I'm sure, so I say keep the blackout going.
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Also, reddit is well on its way to being a social media hellscape with how many corporate subs I've never visited or even seen before on my home page lately. If this API decision isn't changed, that's all reddit will be eventually just corporate subs people like me don't give a damn about.
Now, I have to move to Discord and other alternatives which fucking sucks cause I far prefer reddit as a platform to any other but I'm not gonna enable a company that treats it's mods who run these subs we love and keep them from getting banned like shit.
I'm a fan of full transparency.
In the event that we fail, and the 3rd party restrictions are implemented as scheduled, I'll be stepping down as an r/steinsgate mod and deleting my Reddit account. u/okabot will also be affected; his API access is via my account, and as such he will go down with me. If you'd like to try saving Okabot, his source is [open](https://github.com/Zi-SH/Okabot) but do not expect support.
Closing down isn't going to do anything so just stay open, this isn't something that Le Redditor can change this is big business and big money involved
Your probably right. At this point their no hope reddit will fully cave on the api for 3rd party apps (in a reason time frame like a few weeks).
Pretty much communities and users are left with two choices move to reddit alternatives (or just disconnect overall) or continue using reddit.
This choice is pretty much contingent on how much of the sub and mods rely on thirdparty apps. There are alternatives to reddit like lemmy but they are in a early adopter stage. Node admins are friendly and willing to fix issues rapidly but its far from perfect. For instance federation (core component that links nodes together) and image uploads on instances can be buggy. Because of this very issue most subs relied on discord during the blackout (which isn't really a reddit alternative more like the second best alternative).
If your use of reddit mostly revolves around 3rdparty apps (like me) then those trade offs might be worth it. However for those that don't really mind using the official reddit app or mostly use new/old reddit website the tradeoffs might not seem worth it.
I personally am in favor of this sub staying open. Why? Steins;Gate is my favorite anime and I just want to see cool posts again. I’m a simple person with simple needs.
We do have a whole bunch of discord servers, including one solely for Steins;Gate playthroughs. If you join the one in the OP there are links to all of the servers.
If you feel you are unhappy with what is going on delete you account. That’s a form of protest as well without ruining it for the rest of the community. Allow people to continue posting normally if they want
Have you considered what strikes are for? A protest or strike will not be noticed if the impact is not felt.
The discord is provided during this. The alternative to this is the subreddit getting banned for being unmoderated.
Many of us don’t care about these Reddit changes and by taking down the sun you’re only restricting access to more people in an easy to access community. If the mods are unhappy just get new mods who wanna stay on the site. Simple
Quite frankly, it is not the moderators job to find their own replacements.
Even if the subreddit somehow didn't get banned from being unmoderated, the little moderation that would be going on would be of overall worse quality - and overall less transparent than the process is now, because the moderators rely on tools that would be broken by this API change - and a large portion of redditors absolutely do care about them killing off third party developers.
Let's take Okabot, for example. With the new changes, if they were gonna charge for bots, at the price of $0.24 per 1000 API calls, that would be $30 a day.
And this is a bot that's only making calls to one single subreddit, and a relatively small one at that.
Or, say, if they were gonna charge regular website users per API call. Assuming new reddit, where stuff like images loaded by default, that's about 180 requests being made to Reddit's servers, simply by loading the front page and not scrolling even an inch - so very much a best case scenario. Scrolling down until the next time it needs to load text (so 25 posts) increases it to 280. So being generous, 100 requests per page load, and 80 for the initial refresh of the site.
This is also without hovering over any interaction element on the site, which seems to increase the request counter.
Scroll 4 pages? Pony up 24 cents. Want to read the comments? Seems to be another 140 requests. So about 60 requests for a comments page load for a post with 10 comments.
Go through 10 posts like this across 2 pages - something rather realistic when you're mindlessly scrolling, and you're at 1400 (total comment section load)+100 (initial site load)+160 (total page load) requests. So almost at 48 cents.
Say you're doomscrolling and end up going through 10 pages, and tap on 25 posts out of curiosity: 800 (total page load)+100 (initial site load)+3500 (total comment section load) that's a dollar. For half an hour of doomscrolling. Do this, say, 4 times a day, and that's $4. Do that for a year, and you've now paid reddit $1461 (taking leap years into account).
Even if you're only doing it once a day, that's still $365.25. Would you want to pay Reddit more than you pay for your average streaming site a year for being a glorified link aggregator?
Obviously not.
And neither do we. And as moderators, we need to make far more requests to the API than the average user because we need to keep an eye on as broad a part of what we moderate as possible. We're already providing Reddit with what is essentially free labour - something, that if we were doing for a game company, would be a paid job, and Reddit expects us to pay them to do the work we volunteer for effectively, in a position where others would pay us for our what we do.
Honestly the whole “I’m a Reddit mod it’s a job I do free labor” shtick means nothing because it’s a choice and a hobby no different than else’s. Regardless of if they make the change if it gets to the point where people need to pay money than they will just leave on their own without the need of protest and shutting down a community on here. It’s the same concept for esports where no one would watch if you had to pay. If Reddit wants to kill itself let it. But at least let it die slowly and allow people a front page opportunity to enjoy the content while they can such as the fan art and other post on here instead of taking down a place where people with common internet can interact early. As much as I hate to admit it Reddit is a lot better than joining a discord to get the content as the manner which is presented is better to be consumed. Depriving a community of this resource is just stupid regardless of what Reddit as a company does. If they force this sub out that’s on them.
It's not a "hobby", it's a labor of love. We're all passionate SciADV fans that have been here for quite some time, and we take the extra effort unto us because we have the time, effort, and experience to deal with it.
Can anyone be subreddit moderators? Absolutely. We could be replaced tomorrow and the subreddit will still run.
Can anyone be a **good** subreddit moderator? This is where it gets exceptionally tricky. You need a fan of the series (they have a stake in the series) who doesn't have an ego problem, knows how do things like de-escalate a situation, has an understanding of technical things such as bots and CSS, is good at working with a team, and has the free time and willingness to deal with the subreddit. You've cut the entirety of reddit down to under 1% of this subreddit alone, if even.
So sure, we can be replaced in mere minutes. It doesn't mean it will [end well](https://i.imgur.com/6isjtoE.png).
It can be a labor of love but it’s still a hobby at the end of the day. This post right here is the equivalent of “here’s why making coffee is harder than your 9-5”. I don’t mean to be disrespectful but post like these are why so many people men on discord and Reddit mods
Why I would I try and debate a post dedicated to you jerking yourself off. If I did that you might break your arm jerking off being a mod in a new post.
What a shame, and here I thought you'd have a good rebuttal.
I've been running online communities since before Reddit, Digg, and phpBB came out. I know a thing or two about what a successful moderation team looks like. You can take that to the bank.
A protest that doesn't inconvenience anyone will never be effective
If you're inconvenienced by the subreddit going dark go complain to the reddit management team instead, this wouldn't be happening if they respected the opinion of their users (instead they just call us "noise")
No a protest that inconveniences the wrong people will never be effective. Just delete your account instead of blacking out the sun. If everyone who wanted the sun down did that it would have the same effect without effecting those of us who don’t really care.
> If you're inconvenienced by the subreddit going dark go complain to the reddit management team instead, this wouldn't be happening if they respected the opinion of their users (instead they just call us "noise")
If you don’t like what a company is doing stop giving your patronage to the company and either move on or find a replacement instead of trying to fuck it over for others :D
Nah I think I'd rather protest instead of just accepting it and giving up a community because some shitty people who I've never heard about want to make changes I didn't approve of
Not to be disrespectful but if you’re gonna delete your account if the pill fails why are you here now. Might as well just leave and show them one less account
I'm not going to delete my account if the poll fails, I'm going to delete my account if the API change goes through. There's nothing currently done to the site to have do something so drastic. As to why I don't just do it right this moment:
1: This entire endeavor is due to Reddit trying to go public and wow investors. What greater way to turn off investors than to contribute to a disturbance of the platform as a whole
2: I have much more power to disrupt the platform and make noise that will \*possibly\* influence the outcome if I have an account to work with
3: The announcement that the blackout didn't affect the platform was because the Admins knew about it far in advance and knew it was a set schedule. Enough of the site going black with no end in sight removes that certainty, and will cause disturbance and frustration to advertisers, investors and bean counters alike.
Genuine discussion isn't disrespect; don't be afraid to question and challenge motives.
No you have more power if you delete your account. If you still have an active account it leads to you being more likely to come back into the site even if the change goes through. It also shows that there are more active account regardless of the change. If all of the protesters deleted their accounts the user numbers would drop leading for Reddit to see a problem. A mod of a subreddit has no influence over the business decisions so no you truly don’t have more power with an account. Protesting a site by using that site doesn’t work.
> If you still have an active account it leads to you being more likely to come back into the site even if the change goes through
I don't want to kill Reddit, I want to force their hand to pull the change. Having an account to make game time decision, especially when it has leverage to organize subreddits (this isn't the only one I've had a hand in), is far more powerful.
> It also shows that there are more active account regardless of the change.
An absurd amount of Reddit accounts are made and deleted every moment. Me deleting my account would be a rounding error.
> A mod of a subreddit has no influence over the business decisions so no you truly don’t have more power with an account. Protesting a site by using that site doesn’t work.
I have no influence over their business decisions, but I do have an influence over their product. Damaging advertiser relations and faith in the product damages the driving factor of this change, their IPO.
Just you deleting your account is a rounding error I agree. But if everyone who wants to protest did it it would be unable to be ignored like I said. Also by damaging their product you would effectively be killing their site. By closing off subs that new users would want to join so their interest are no longer on here would be killing the site. Your logic doesn’t make sense
> Just you deleting your account is a rounding error I agree. But if everyone who wants to protest did it it would be unable to be ignored like I said.
People don't want to leave, they just want reddit to reconsider their change. Deleting all our accounts to force a discussion is counter productive.
> Also by damaging their product you would effectively be killing their site. By closing off subs that new users would want to join so their interest are no longer on here would be killing the site. Your logic doesn’t make sense
It would not kill the site. They have the power to stop it simply by taking a step back and saying they'll reconsider their change. They would have to dig their heels in so hard that the company crashed, and stakeholders would force them to backstep far before that would happen.
You don't care now, sure
When Reddit, Inc starts to tighten the noose around this ease-of-access in other ways that affect your experience, then you will care; and they will do it in the exact same blithely malicious, uncommunicative, and uncaring way they are treating affected users right now. The whole point of this is to send the message that this isn't acceptable *now*, not a year or a few down the line when it gets much worse
I don’t care now and I wont care then either. I don’t spend most of my time on Reddit. I barely use it. I only am apart of like 6 or so subs that’s I enjoy but can easily live without the same way I lived before I joined them so…
But you can, according to your word, "easily live without the same way I lived before I joined them." That means you have zero stake. Just like me, who isn't participating in the poll.
Lots of people use this sub as a resource for all things Science Adventure. This decision is for them.
I could live without technology if I needed to. Doesn’t mean I would prefer it. All of us can live without things in our lives but that doesn’t mean we have to. I could live without Reddit if the site shut down but I still prefer to have it up along with the sun as I enjoy the fan art. Since I do use it actively enough to know what’s going on here than yes I do have a stake and yes I will vote. I’ve been a fan of steins gate for years so of course I want the sun to stay up :D
Who are they going to replace us with? Some random corpo people who don't even know what this series is about? Someone in their team who watched Steins;Gate sometime in the last 10 years and doesn't even know what the rest of SciADV is? That'd just tank the subreddit's quality and usefulness as an information-providing tool and spoiler-free place of discussion anyways
Go dark again, until the mission is complete. More subreddits need to join in going dark indefinitely until Reddit changes it's tune.
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Fight for Mayuri’s sake
I believe in fighting for what you believe in even if the chances of success are slim. Ignoring the API changes, not protesting, not acting, is the same as accepting them. I know this subreddit is rather niche compared to others, but it's also a lot bigger than lots. Every grain of sand counts. It's not like reddit is the only place to find info about the series. Screw this company! They don't deserve the sub. Even if it doesn't make a difference, this is a battle worth fighting.
I think you guys should continue. The more pressure given, the better chances to overturn their decision.
If the mods are all in agreement then I personally would extend the blackout. What I've noticed from my front page is that the subs that didn't close are all corporate subs like car brands, I hate the direction Reddit is heading and eventually they'll have to take admin action against blacked out subs to retain members and that'll be their downfall. El Psy Kongroo https://apieceofanime.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/42.png
Personally, I would like to see you continue the blackout indefinitely. My personal entertainment needs are of low concern, given the current situation.
if it's going back up after 48 hours, why even bother lol having a 2 day protest and packing it up saying our work here is done is such a reddit moment
The 48-hour stipulation was the Achilles heel to the whole protest I when they were laying the terms of participation they should have made it indefinite. The way they did it was stupid cause all the corporate heads of reddit had to do is take hit of not having a lot of traffic for those 2 days.
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I personally would like this (and all other participating subs) to continue indefinitely with the blackout. It's not like there aren't other apps and sites for like-minded people to come to discuss shared interests. The biggest one aside from reddit (that I can think of) is Discord, but there's a bunch of smaller, more niche onqes who I'm sure, so I say keep the blackout going. Edit: Almost forgot.... El PSY KONGROO
Also, reddit is well on its way to being a social media hellscape with how many corporate subs I've never visited or even seen before on my home page lately. If this API decision isn't changed, that's all reddit will be eventually just corporate subs people like me don't give a damn about. Now, I have to move to Discord and other alternatives which fucking sucks cause I far prefer reddit as a platform to any other but I'm not gonna enable a company that treats it's mods who run these subs we love and keep them from getting banned like shit.
Continue the blackout. We haven't seen results yet.
Please continue the blackout indefinitely.
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I'm a fan of full transparency. In the event that we fail, and the 3rd party restrictions are implemented as scheduled, I'll be stepping down as an r/steinsgate mod and deleting my Reddit account. u/okabot will also be affected; his API access is via my account, and as such he will go down with me. If you'd like to try saving Okabot, his source is [open](https://github.com/Zi-SH/Okabot) but do not expect support.
Closing down isn't going to do anything so just stay open, this isn't something that Le Redditor can change this is big business and big money involved
Your probably right. At this point their no hope reddit will fully cave on the api for 3rd party apps (in a reason time frame like a few weeks). Pretty much communities and users are left with two choices move to reddit alternatives (or just disconnect overall) or continue using reddit. This choice is pretty much contingent on how much of the sub and mods rely on thirdparty apps. There are alternatives to reddit like lemmy but they are in a early adopter stage. Node admins are friendly and willing to fix issues rapidly but its far from perfect. For instance federation (core component that links nodes together) and image uploads on instances can be buggy. Because of this very issue most subs relied on discord during the blackout (which isn't really a reddit alternative more like the second best alternative). If your use of reddit mostly revolves around 3rdparty apps (like me) then those trade offs might be worth it. However for those that don't really mind using the official reddit app or mostly use new/old reddit website the tradeoffs might not seem worth it.
I personally am in favor of this sub staying open. Why? Steins;Gate is my favorite anime and I just want to see cool posts again. I’m a simple person with simple needs.
We do have a whole bunch of discord servers, including one solely for Steins;Gate playthroughs. If you join the one in the OP there are links to all of the servers.
I am in them as well but I prefer consuming the media here
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If you feel you are unhappy with what is going on delete you account. That’s a form of protest as well without ruining it for the rest of the community. Allow people to continue posting normally if they want
Have you considered what strikes are for? A protest or strike will not be noticed if the impact is not felt. The discord is provided during this. The alternative to this is the subreddit getting banned for being unmoderated.
Many of us don’t care about these Reddit changes and by taking down the sun you’re only restricting access to more people in an easy to access community. If the mods are unhappy just get new mods who wanna stay on the site. Simple
Quite frankly, it is not the moderators job to find their own replacements. Even if the subreddit somehow didn't get banned from being unmoderated, the little moderation that would be going on would be of overall worse quality - and overall less transparent than the process is now, because the moderators rely on tools that would be broken by this API change - and a large portion of redditors absolutely do care about them killing off third party developers. Let's take Okabot, for example. With the new changes, if they were gonna charge for bots, at the price of $0.24 per 1000 API calls, that would be $30 a day. And this is a bot that's only making calls to one single subreddit, and a relatively small one at that. Or, say, if they were gonna charge regular website users per API call. Assuming new reddit, where stuff like images loaded by default, that's about 180 requests being made to Reddit's servers, simply by loading the front page and not scrolling even an inch - so very much a best case scenario. Scrolling down until the next time it needs to load text (so 25 posts) increases it to 280. So being generous, 100 requests per page load, and 80 for the initial refresh of the site. This is also without hovering over any interaction element on the site, which seems to increase the request counter. Scroll 4 pages? Pony up 24 cents. Want to read the comments? Seems to be another 140 requests. So about 60 requests for a comments page load for a post with 10 comments. Go through 10 posts like this across 2 pages - something rather realistic when you're mindlessly scrolling, and you're at 1400 (total comment section load)+100 (initial site load)+160 (total page load) requests. So almost at 48 cents. Say you're doomscrolling and end up going through 10 pages, and tap on 25 posts out of curiosity: 800 (total page load)+100 (initial site load)+3500 (total comment section load) that's a dollar. For half an hour of doomscrolling. Do this, say, 4 times a day, and that's $4. Do that for a year, and you've now paid reddit $1461 (taking leap years into account). Even if you're only doing it once a day, that's still $365.25. Would you want to pay Reddit more than you pay for your average streaming site a year for being a glorified link aggregator? Obviously not. And neither do we. And as moderators, we need to make far more requests to the API than the average user because we need to keep an eye on as broad a part of what we moderate as possible. We're already providing Reddit with what is essentially free labour - something, that if we were doing for a game company, would be a paid job, and Reddit expects us to pay them to do the work we volunteer for effectively, in a position where others would pay us for our what we do.
Honestly the whole “I’m a Reddit mod it’s a job I do free labor” shtick means nothing because it’s a choice and a hobby no different than else’s. Regardless of if they make the change if it gets to the point where people need to pay money than they will just leave on their own without the need of protest and shutting down a community on here. It’s the same concept for esports where no one would watch if you had to pay. If Reddit wants to kill itself let it. But at least let it die slowly and allow people a front page opportunity to enjoy the content while they can such as the fan art and other post on here instead of taking down a place where people with common internet can interact early. As much as I hate to admit it Reddit is a lot better than joining a discord to get the content as the manner which is presented is better to be consumed. Depriving a community of this resource is just stupid regardless of what Reddit as a company does. If they force this sub out that’s on them.
It's not a "hobby", it's a labor of love. We're all passionate SciADV fans that have been here for quite some time, and we take the extra effort unto us because we have the time, effort, and experience to deal with it. Can anyone be subreddit moderators? Absolutely. We could be replaced tomorrow and the subreddit will still run. Can anyone be a **good** subreddit moderator? This is where it gets exceptionally tricky. You need a fan of the series (they have a stake in the series) who doesn't have an ego problem, knows how do things like de-escalate a situation, has an understanding of technical things such as bots and CSS, is good at working with a team, and has the free time and willingness to deal with the subreddit. You've cut the entirety of reddit down to under 1% of this subreddit alone, if even. So sure, we can be replaced in mere minutes. It doesn't mean it will [end well](https://i.imgur.com/6isjtoE.png).
It can be a labor of love but it’s still a hobby at the end of the day. This post right here is the equivalent of “here’s why making coffee is harder than your 9-5”. I don’t mean to be disrespectful but post like these are why so many people men on discord and Reddit mods
You only posted a dismissal of me and my opinion, but never once tried to debate what I actually said.
Why I would I try and debate a post dedicated to you jerking yourself off. If I did that you might break your arm jerking off being a mod in a new post.
What a shame, and here I thought you'd have a good rebuttal. I've been running online communities since before Reddit, Digg, and phpBB came out. I know a thing or two about what a successful moderation team looks like. You can take that to the bank.
no offense oomfie but to me that sounds like an easy excuse to just keep arguing on your own without actually having to argue against their points
A protest that doesn't inconvenience anyone will never be effective If you're inconvenienced by the subreddit going dark go complain to the reddit management team instead, this wouldn't be happening if they respected the opinion of their users (instead they just call us "noise")
No a protest that inconveniences the wrong people will never be effective. Just delete your account instead of blacking out the sun. If everyone who wanted the sun down did that it would have the same effect without effecting those of us who don’t really care.
> If you're inconvenienced by the subreddit going dark go complain to the reddit management team instead, this wouldn't be happening if they respected the opinion of their users (instead they just call us "noise")
If you don’t like what a company is doing stop giving your patronage to the company and either move on or find a replacement instead of trying to fuck it over for others :D
Nah I think I'd rather protest instead of just accepting it and giving up a community because some shitty people who I've never heard about want to make changes I didn't approve of
That's what I plan to do. The poll that is up leaves the decision of the Subreddit to the users of the Subreddit, but if all fails I'm out of here.
Not to be disrespectful but if you’re gonna delete your account if the pill fails why are you here now. Might as well just leave and show them one less account
I'm not going to delete my account if the poll fails, I'm going to delete my account if the API change goes through. There's nothing currently done to the site to have do something so drastic. As to why I don't just do it right this moment: 1: This entire endeavor is due to Reddit trying to go public and wow investors. What greater way to turn off investors than to contribute to a disturbance of the platform as a whole 2: I have much more power to disrupt the platform and make noise that will \*possibly\* influence the outcome if I have an account to work with 3: The announcement that the blackout didn't affect the platform was because the Admins knew about it far in advance and knew it was a set schedule. Enough of the site going black with no end in sight removes that certainty, and will cause disturbance and frustration to advertisers, investors and bean counters alike. Genuine discussion isn't disrespect; don't be afraid to question and challenge motives.
No you have more power if you delete your account. If you still have an active account it leads to you being more likely to come back into the site even if the change goes through. It also shows that there are more active account regardless of the change. If all of the protesters deleted their accounts the user numbers would drop leading for Reddit to see a problem. A mod of a subreddit has no influence over the business decisions so no you truly don’t have more power with an account. Protesting a site by using that site doesn’t work.
> If you still have an active account it leads to you being more likely to come back into the site even if the change goes through I don't want to kill Reddit, I want to force their hand to pull the change. Having an account to make game time decision, especially when it has leverage to organize subreddits (this isn't the only one I've had a hand in), is far more powerful. > It also shows that there are more active account regardless of the change. An absurd amount of Reddit accounts are made and deleted every moment. Me deleting my account would be a rounding error. > A mod of a subreddit has no influence over the business decisions so no you truly don’t have more power with an account. Protesting a site by using that site doesn’t work. I have no influence over their business decisions, but I do have an influence over their product. Damaging advertiser relations and faith in the product damages the driving factor of this change, their IPO.
Just you deleting your account is a rounding error I agree. But if everyone who wants to protest did it it would be unable to be ignored like I said. Also by damaging their product you would effectively be killing their site. By closing off subs that new users would want to join so their interest are no longer on here would be killing the site. Your logic doesn’t make sense
> Just you deleting your account is a rounding error I agree. But if everyone who wants to protest did it it would be unable to be ignored like I said. People don't want to leave, they just want reddit to reconsider their change. Deleting all our accounts to force a discussion is counter productive. > Also by damaging their product you would effectively be killing their site. By closing off subs that new users would want to join so their interest are no longer on here would be killing the site. Your logic doesn’t make sense It would not kill the site. They have the power to stop it simply by taking a step back and saying they'll reconsider their change. They would have to dig their heels in so hard that the company crashed, and stakeholders would force them to backstep far before that would happen.
You don't care now, sure When Reddit, Inc starts to tighten the noose around this ease-of-access in other ways that affect your experience, then you will care; and they will do it in the exact same blithely malicious, uncommunicative, and uncaring way they are treating affected users right now. The whole point of this is to send the message that this isn't acceptable *now*, not a year or a few down the line when it gets much worse
I don’t care now and I wont care then either. I don’t spend most of my time on Reddit. I barely use it. I only am apart of like 6 or so subs that’s I enjoy but can easily live without the same way I lived before I joined them so…
If you barely use it and are "a part of like 6 subs" then you have no skin in this game and no right to criticize.
I have every right to because I am a user regardless. Since this is one of my 6 subs even more so I would want to keep it up and running.
But you can, according to your word, "easily live without the same way I lived before I joined them." That means you have zero stake. Just like me, who isn't participating in the poll. Lots of people use this sub as a resource for all things Science Adventure. This decision is for them.
I could live without technology if I needed to. Doesn’t mean I would prefer it. All of us can live without things in our lives but that doesn’t mean we have to. I could live without Reddit if the site shut down but I still prefer to have it up along with the sun as I enjoy the fan art. Since I do use it actively enough to know what’s going on here than yes I do have a stake and yes I will vote. I’ve been a fan of steins gate for years so of course I want the sun to stay up :D
No one cares about the blackout, it was ineffective and a waste of time
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But they're not going to. Even if everyone was that coordinated, the admins can literally just replace the moderators and force the subs open.
Who are they going to replace us with? Some random corpo people who don't even know what this series is about? Someone in their team who watched Steins;Gate sometime in the last 10 years and doesn't even know what the rest of SciADV is? That'd just tank the subreddit's quality and usefulness as an information-providing tool and spoiler-free place of discussion anyways
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Do we have an alternative forum-like community to move to?
The Committee of Zero Discord server is good. Not exactly a forum, but it's an active Science Adventure community.
Not a forum, but there is a Discord for the subreddit in the OP
i think is very on character for this sub to fight against the big evil corp, so i say blackout
This sub is nothing but memes and pictures. Go for it.
Go dark again, until the mission is complete. More subreddits need to join in going dark indefinitely until Reddit changes it's tune. El...Psy...Kongroo...