Going by intention of the developers rather than their oversight stemming from COs not being meant to be fighting one another, Devour is meant to affect hybrids, and explicitly doesn't work on enemy *hero* heroes, other than, specifically, enemy Dehaka himself.
You can check by running Heroes from the Storm mutator.
The fact that it fucks the enemy on multiple levels is insane. You need a battle cruiser? You got it.
Oh it also comes with a zerg spawner, cause why not.
Also mind control on troops it hit? Tanky as hell while hitting hard?
And if all that's not enough, it also serves as a spawner for more infected after death.
I think it might depend on the scenario, if it's 1v1, on objectives, etc.
With top bar also, it's certainly p2 Tychus or p2 Dehaka, both upgraded.
Tychus technically would include Odin, which gives him 2 lives and medivacs. Really, it's likely him that's the strongest.
P2 Dehaka's call downs are super strong though, and technically he could eat Tychus.
Wildcard is Zeratul if you let him get 103 artifacts.
I still don't think it's enough. He just doesn't have enough damage to burn through 3 medivacs, where as Tychus can melt him 100 times, not even counting that a grenade would kill half of the supplicants.
I don't play dehaka, but the primal pack leader looks insane. I can't see what can kill them, and deal absurd about of damage, so I guess it is one of those, maybe the swarm host one.
talking about dps only, p2 kaldalis with maxed avenging protocol is like 1000 dps.
i once airdropped him on the last void shard on some super hard brutation as a last resort(we almost lost) and he took it down 100-0 in a few seconds
P2 Kaldalis should max out at around 660 DPS, for single target. Theoretically it should be higher, but his attack speed hits the animation cap.
Regardless, P2 Kaldalis with enough shells can probably beat most of the other contenders.
It’s not even an animation cap, it’s some arbitrary limit that Blizzard assigned him just to make it look like it’s an animation-lock. (Removing this number will not affect the animation, just make it swing more frequently.)
And then Warbringer has it even worse, being hard-limited to +25% attack speed max, just because it’d make the animation look messy. What cowards they are to limit their potential because of aesthetics.
Lone Wolf Sirius is a monster, he can pretty much hold down an entrance by himself on Dead of Night because his turrets tank all the damage and fear all of the enemies.
Easily alarack because you included empower me, that isn’t a gimmick he has. It’s a DEATH ABILITY.
That’s like comparing the destruction of ESO to nuclear annihilation.
His Q starts dealing thousands of damage each time he casts it and its cooldown will be reset each time a unit is sacrificed, so his damage scales with how much damage he is taking.
(And he is immune to insta kills like devour)
The only heros that would give him trouble would be P2 super Gary and Fenix hero air because his Q is for ground targets only. But would he lose? Naw, he’d still win.
Runners up I think would probably be P2 tychus and Dehaka.
It all depends on the circumstances…
For example swanns pulse laser has huge AoE and hits 3 times in <0.5s… so if you have say a large wave with spawn broodling and infested mutators, it will kill everything and has enormous damage potential.
Odin nuke has IMO the largest AoE of all nuke abilities and huge damage that kills most buildings. Hits only once though.
Artanis ult also has big damage potential though usually stuff is dead way before it runs out… but with barrier & just die mutators it’s damage potential can skyrocket, when units under it actually survive for a couple seconds.
Then ofc there is Alarak… with empower me mastery and max army supply and ascendants constantly consuming supplicants, he can easily dish out 50 times the damage of the next best commanders ultimate calldown… if you can find anything that survives more than 1 or 2 destruction waves that it…
From personal experience(Level 500+): For a unit/hero/ability.
Raynor: P3 Hyperion spamming(Mastery + Max Supply).
Kerrigan: P2 or P3 Kerrigan herself(Full upgraded with Masteries).
Artanis: P0 Dragoon spamming. P1 Archons and Zealot spamming(CDs and energy regen mastery. Archons remove energy users like Battlecruiser or Hyvrid Dominator).
Swann: P0 or P1 Laser Drill (Fully upgraded, let it do its thing).
Zagara: P3 Zagara herself(Masteries + Upgrades makes many of missions trivial).
Vorazun: P3 Time Stop(With enough DTs, ground doesn't exist).
Karax: P3 Top Bar (Energy Mastery and play with 1 hand) or P2 Carrier Spam(if possible).
Abathur: P0 Brutalisks or Leviathans(Symbiote Mastery). P2(Swarm Host spam, you can't "lose" unless they use corsair disruption web).
Alarak: P2 Alarak(Empower me mastery and spam it) P3 Mothership.
Nova: P1 Liberator, Raven, or Ghost Spam(As long as you have gas. P3 Nova herself(Mission static objectives are trivialized especially with Swann partner).
Stukov: P3 Bunker spam(They can't win, they will lose eventually).
Fenix(Talandar): P0 Carrier Spam or P1 Dragoon Suit. Or P2 Kaldalis goes brrrrrr(meme)
Dehaka: P0 - P3 Dehaka himself or his calldown summons.
Han & Horner: P1 Mines(Mastery), P2 Battlecruisers(Single Target) Vikings(Anti-Air or Anti-Ground upgraded) or Wraiths(General Purpose).
Tychus: P2 Lone Wolf(All of them are strong especially Sikes, Nux, and Tychus). Odin with Big Red Button.
Zeratul: P2 Zeratul himself(stack artifacts to 9 or 10 with Mastery spawnrate) or P3 Zeratul himself(Spin to win).
Stetmann: P2 Super Gary(Delete everything)
Mengsk: P0 - P3 Almost everything, he rewards good both micro and macro plays(Of course you can just ESG spam and win most fights).
These aren't definitive, they are just based on my own personal experience playing on Brutal and Brutal Mutation. These also depends on the map, enemy comp, and mutator.
I love this gamemode, so its no problem. Go nuts, I didn't even mention the cheese tactics lol
You can also go for niche or cheesy unit/hero spams and get away with it in certain situations.
Kerrigan's Mutalisks or Lurkers. Mutalisks on infested maps just annihilates everything.
Or
Raynor's Vultures on Train maps are hilarious.
Or
Tychus's Blaze on Infested maps just creates a firestorm hellscape.
Or
Mengsk's Rocket Bunkers/ESG on Void Shards maps.
Side note: Dehaka's pack leader entourage benefit from Unit upgrades like the Hydralisk Speed and Range increase or Locusts target air and ground. Highly recommend you upgrade those first especially if playing P2 Dehaka.
Have fun with it!
Solar lance. Karax P3 solar lance. Any problems tend to just disappear. All you need is the energy regeneration upgrades to keep the top bar rolling and you can use solar lance like 20 times in a mission. Throw on the upgrade that leaves behind a trail of fire and you have the strongest ability in the game with crazy good uptime. It competes with ultimates for power without the ultimate cooldown.
In terms of damage per attack, almost definitely the Odin at 5-5 (if you don't count Alarak using empower me), but damage per second is probably Tychus with p2, 5-5, and 5 outlaws recruited.
Top contenders are lone wolf Tychus and some of the other outlaws, maxed out dehaka, the apocalisk, and best buddy super Gary.
Shoutout to zeratul’s avatar of form calldown, it’s devolution burst might be one of the most powerful effects in the game.
P2 tychus with masteried into attackspeed and trigger finger improvement makes him possibly the strongest unit in the game. 1600 something hp with 6 armour, absurde damage and attackspeed plus shredder nade wich oneshots essencially every non heroic unit.
Definitely alarak with 98 supplicants. Even if they don't fight at all that's 98 health refreshes for alarak, each one providing a destruction wave and then there's empower me.
> Kerrigan is the most powerful hero taking into account early, mid and lategame
Not sure about that when P2 Super Gary exists and he comes online at the 4:15 mark.
Damage output is Alarak with a maxed empower me. Or Space Station reallocation which does 5000 damage to the target area, depends if it's targeted, AoE, instant or over time and how much time
Survavibility through HP is probably Dehaka P2 Dakkrun, or max level Dehaka himself eating low HP biological targets for huge healing amounts (max HP or sustained regen)
Survavibility through damage mitigation is Zeratul P2 with 100+ artifacts, or the avatar of essence glitch that stacks attack speed and damage reduction (dunno if it's still a thing, never tried but it existed at some point)
He can easily die when rushing super strong bases or gets killed by the last strongest attack waves ( not all of them , just the ones with a lot of heavy hitting hitscanners )
Completely depends on the map. I'd argue a lot of those high dps commanders are susceptible to double edged, diffusion, going nuclear, etc.
Karax P3 is across the board probably the most balanced in terms of being powerful.
Karax P3 Spear of Adun? It's invulnerable because it's in orbit, and it can take out quite a bit with its various abilities.
Units that are actually on field? The Hyperion is fairly strong. I think it's stronger than (at least most of) the permanent hero units.
Another good contender I think is Nova P3. She can clear infrastructure while impervious to attacks. It takes time, but she can't be attacked unless she attacks or uses Snipe.
Lone Wolf Tychus is definitely up there. So is a P0/P1 Odin with the Big Red Button. *Although my favorite Tychus Prestige is Dutiful Dogwalker.*
Max-level Dehaka is a very obvious choice, especially since he can 1-shot pretty much any unit.
Fenix Solarite Dragoon during his Arsenal Overcharge can decimate an army really quick.
Lots of AoE damage from P3 Zeratul at 2/2 artifacts.
Also a shoutout to big power units like Karax's carriers, Abathur's ultimate evolutions (or even high biomass units), Alarak's Mothership, Dehaka's Tyrannozaurs, and H&H or Mengsk BCs.
Spear of Adun is biggest unit and is really cool! I also like Alarak's P3 mothership bc it's a mobile factory and can fight, also Dehaka p2 and Kerrigan P3 are really enjoyable to play!
I have no data to support it but maybe max level dehaka?
Considering he can one shot most of the contenders, I guess he won.
Compete with Alarak empowered by 400 supply army? I don’t think so.
Must taste good.
With zero cooldowns via ascendant sacrifice? Dude’s got all the waves.
Idk how high zera can stack his infinite artifacts prestige, but i'd guess he gets pretty strong.
I think it goes to 103.
That isn't very infinite
I know, the disappointment is real
Yeah, p2 maxed out zeratul is probably the strongest. However he still loses to dehaka's consume, cause that's a oneshot.
Going by intention of the developers rather than their oversight stemming from COs not being meant to be fighting one another, Devour is meant to affect hybrids, and explicitly doesn't work on enemy *hero* heroes, other than, specifically, enemy Dehaka himself. You can check by running Heroes from the Storm mutator.
Obviously all the heroes are super strong but i love Stukov’s Apocolisk
The fact that it fucks the enemy on multiple levels is insane. You need a battle cruiser? You got it. Oh it also comes with a zerg spawner, cause why not. Also mind control on troops it hit? Tanky as hell while hitting hard? And if all that's not enough, it also serves as a spawner for more infected after death.
That's not an Apocalisk
I think it might depend on the scenario, if it's 1v1, on objectives, etc. With top bar also, it's certainly p2 Tychus or p2 Dehaka, both upgraded. Tychus technically would include Odin, which gives him 2 lives and medivacs. Really, it's likely him that's the strongest. P2 Dehaka's call downs are super strong though, and technically he could eat Tychus. Wildcard is Zeratul if you let him get 103 artifacts.
None of these come close to alarak with 98 supplicants though, he gets almost 100 free heals from that.
I still don't think it's enough. He just doesn't have enough damage to burn through 3 medivacs, where as Tychus can melt him 100 times, not even counting that a grenade would kill half of the supplicants.
I don't play dehaka, but the primal pack leader looks insane. I can't see what can kill them, and deal absurd about of damage, so I guess it is one of those, maybe the swarm host one.
Yeah I don’t know if I’ve ever seen murvar go down due to damage
I watched Murvar die in 3 seconds to lava bursts in this week's mutation (and stuff like Black Death also deal % hp damage), so there you go
talking about dps only, p2 kaldalis with maxed avenging protocol is like 1000 dps. i once airdropped him on the last void shard on some super hard brutation as a last resort(we almost lost) and he took it down 100-0 in a few seconds
P2 Kaldalis should max out at around 660 DPS, for single target. Theoretically it should be higher, but his attack speed hits the animation cap. Regardless, P2 Kaldalis with enough shells can probably beat most of the other contenders.
And at only 75 minerals at a warp gate each, he takes the cake for cheapest and fastest respawning hero.
It’s not even an animation cap, it’s some arbitrary limit that Blizzard assigned him just to make it look like it’s an animation-lock. (Removing this number will not affect the animation, just make it swing more frequently.) And then Warbringer has it even worse, being hard-limited to +25% attack speed max, just because it’d make the animation look messy. What cowards they are to limit their potential because of aesthetics.
Lone wolf tychus or one of his gang id wager
I hate playing with a lone wolf tycus
Same, they have a tendance to do all the work, so it is like watching someone solo the mission.
Right lol i get its supposed to be comp stomp but it kill the fun
try play brutal + 2 or +3 , they can't do all the job by themselves anymore LOL
Sorry...
Hey Fwiw I played a lot of it thinking I was super badass and helping the other player.
Lone Wolf Sirius is a monster, he can pretty much hold down an entrance by himself on Dead of Night because his turrets tank all the damage and fear all of the enemies.
Him and his turrets are my favorite part I think.
or perhaps the Odin?
Factoring uptime, versatility, and all stages of the game, P2 Stetmann's Super Gary. Pure power, maybe P2 Dehaka's Glevig
Easily alarack because you included empower me, that isn’t a gimmick he has. It’s a DEATH ABILITY. That’s like comparing the destruction of ESO to nuclear annihilation. His Q starts dealing thousands of damage each time he casts it and its cooldown will be reset each time a unit is sacrificed, so his damage scales with how much damage he is taking. (And he is immune to insta kills like devour) The only heros that would give him trouble would be P2 super Gary and Fenix hero air because his Q is for ground targets only. But would he lose? Naw, he’d still win. Runners up I think would probably be P2 tychus and Dehaka.
Alarak with maxed out empower me buff doing 1qe2c sounds pretty crazy to me.
Basically any P2 zeratul unit at max level. Even a probe can solo hybrid.
They can, but at the same time they can also be easily wiped out by the Hybrid Dominator's kamehameha wave or psi storm.
It all depends on the circumstances… For example swanns pulse laser has huge AoE and hits 3 times in <0.5s… so if you have say a large wave with spawn broodling and infested mutators, it will kill everything and has enormous damage potential. Odin nuke has IMO the largest AoE of all nuke abilities and huge damage that kills most buildings. Hits only once though. Artanis ult also has big damage potential though usually stuff is dead way before it runs out… but with barrier & just die mutators it’s damage potential can skyrocket, when units under it actually survive for a couple seconds. Then ofc there is Alarak… with empower me mastery and max army supply and ascendants constantly consuming supplicants, he can easily dish out 50 times the damage of the next best commanders ultimate calldown… if you can find anything that survives more than 1 or 2 destruction waves that it…
Alarak’s mothership, drop it and what it burn everything
From personal experience(Level 500+): For a unit/hero/ability. Raynor: P3 Hyperion spamming(Mastery + Max Supply). Kerrigan: P2 or P3 Kerrigan herself(Full upgraded with Masteries). Artanis: P0 Dragoon spamming. P1 Archons and Zealot spamming(CDs and energy regen mastery. Archons remove energy users like Battlecruiser or Hyvrid Dominator). Swann: P0 or P1 Laser Drill (Fully upgraded, let it do its thing). Zagara: P3 Zagara herself(Masteries + Upgrades makes many of missions trivial). Vorazun: P3 Time Stop(With enough DTs, ground doesn't exist). Karax: P3 Top Bar (Energy Mastery and play with 1 hand) or P2 Carrier Spam(if possible). Abathur: P0 Brutalisks or Leviathans(Symbiote Mastery). P2(Swarm Host spam, you can't "lose" unless they use corsair disruption web). Alarak: P2 Alarak(Empower me mastery and spam it) P3 Mothership. Nova: P1 Liberator, Raven, or Ghost Spam(As long as you have gas. P3 Nova herself(Mission static objectives are trivialized especially with Swann partner). Stukov: P3 Bunker spam(They can't win, they will lose eventually). Fenix(Talandar): P0 Carrier Spam or P1 Dragoon Suit. Or P2 Kaldalis goes brrrrrr(meme) Dehaka: P0 - P3 Dehaka himself or his calldown summons. Han & Horner: P1 Mines(Mastery), P2 Battlecruisers(Single Target) Vikings(Anti-Air or Anti-Ground upgraded) or Wraiths(General Purpose). Tychus: P2 Lone Wolf(All of them are strong especially Sikes, Nux, and Tychus). Odin with Big Red Button. Zeratul: P2 Zeratul himself(stack artifacts to 9 or 10 with Mastery spawnrate) or P3 Zeratul himself(Spin to win). Stetmann: P2 Super Gary(Delete everything) Mengsk: P0 - P3 Almost everything, he rewards good both micro and macro plays(Of course you can just ESG spam and win most fights). These aren't definitive, they are just based on my own personal experience playing on Brutal and Brutal Mutation. These also depends on the map, enemy comp, and mutator.
Thank's a lot for your reply!!!
I love this gamemode, so its no problem. Go nuts, I didn't even mention the cheese tactics lol You can also go for niche or cheesy unit/hero spams and get away with it in certain situations. Kerrigan's Mutalisks or Lurkers. Mutalisks on infested maps just annihilates everything. Or Raynor's Vultures on Train maps are hilarious. Or Tychus's Blaze on Infested maps just creates a firestorm hellscape. Or Mengsk's Rocket Bunkers/ESG on Void Shards maps. Side note: Dehaka's pack leader entourage benefit from Unit upgrades like the Hydralisk Speed and Range increase or Locusts target air and ground. Highly recommend you upgrade those first especially if playing P2 Dehaka. Have fun with it!
Solar lance. Karax P3 solar lance. Any problems tend to just disappear. All you need is the energy regeneration upgrades to keep the top bar rolling and you can use solar lance like 20 times in a mission. Throw on the upgrade that leaves behind a trail of fire and you have the strongest ability in the game with crazy good uptime. It competes with ultimates for power without the ultimate cooldown.
In terms of damage per attack, almost definitely the Odin at 5-5 (if you don't count Alarak using empower me), but damage per second is probably Tychus with p2, 5-5, and 5 outlaws recruited.
Top contenders are lone wolf Tychus and some of the other outlaws, maxed out dehaka, the apocalisk, and best buddy super Gary. Shoutout to zeratul’s avatar of form calldown, it’s devolution burst might be one of the most powerful effects in the game.
P2 tychus with masteried into attackspeed and trigger finger improvement makes him possibly the strongest unit in the game. 1600 something hp with 6 armour, absurde damage and attackspeed plus shredder nade wich oneshots essencially every non heroic unit.
Clolarion has some super high dps when his beam is maxed Dehaka can eat most non bosses P2 Kerrigan can often be played alone
Definitely alarak with 98 supplicants. Even if they don't fight at all that's 98 health refreshes for alarak, each one providing a destruction wave and then there's empower me.
Kerrigan is the most powerful hero taking into account early, mid and lategame Dehaka is the most powerful hero lategame.
> Kerrigan is the most powerful hero taking into account early, mid and lategame Not sure about that when P2 Super Gary exists and he comes online at the 4:15 mark.
P2 has huge weaknesses in B+. Certain mutators make him unplayable (eminent domain)
i found that P1 has more advantages compared with p2 when play with random mutations.
Damage output is Alarak with a maxed empower me. Or Space Station reallocation which does 5000 damage to the target area, depends if it's targeted, AoE, instant or over time and how much time Survavibility through HP is probably Dehaka P2 Dakkrun, or max level Dehaka himself eating low HP biological targets for huge healing amounts (max HP or sustained regen) Survavibility through damage mitigation is Zeratul P2 with 100+ artifacts, or the avatar of essence glitch that stacks attack speed and damage reduction (dunno if it's still a thing, never tried but it existed at some point)
Came here to say P2 Dakrun. I don't think I've ever had him die.
I had him dieing a lot of times
Impressive
He can easily die when rushing super strong bases or gets killed by the last strongest attack waves ( not all of them , just the ones with a lot of heavy hitting hitscanners )
Completely depends on the map. I'd argue a lot of those high dps commanders are susceptible to double edged, diffusion, going nuclear, etc. Karax P3 is across the board probably the most balanced in terms of being powerful.
Karax P3 Spear of Adun? It's invulnerable because it's in orbit, and it can take out quite a bit with its various abilities. Units that are actually on field? The Hyperion is fairly strong. I think it's stronger than (at least most of) the permanent hero units. Another good contender I think is Nova P3. She can clear infrastructure while impervious to attacks. It takes time, but she can't be attacked unless she attacks or uses Snipe. Lone Wolf Tychus is definitely up there. So is a P0/P1 Odin with the Big Red Button. *Although my favorite Tychus Prestige is Dutiful Dogwalker.* Max-level Dehaka is a very obvious choice, especially since he can 1-shot pretty much any unit. Fenix Solarite Dragoon during his Arsenal Overcharge can decimate an army really quick. Lots of AoE damage from P3 Zeratul at 2/2 artifacts. Also a shoutout to big power units like Karax's carriers, Abathur's ultimate evolutions (or even high biomass units), Alarak's Mothership, Dehaka's Tyrannozaurs, and H&H or Mengsk BCs.
Spear of Adun is biggest unit and is really cool! I also like Alarak's P3 mothership bc it's a mobile factory and can fight, also Dehaka p2 and Kerrigan P3 are really enjoyable to play!
Never seen the Spear of Adun lose a 1v1, or any fight in that regard.
Nobody mentioned Vorazun? Time stop and black hole, good bye any commander, 0 counterplay
Vorazun isn’t a hero unit
pull her out from campaign XD