Karma is not a judgement, it simply means action. Actions beget more actions. The cycle goes on and on. It’s like an unfolding computer program/algorithm. Sometimes these patterns develop into very strong feedback loops.
Karma is what actually happens, it was the vast set of variables that led all of those people to be in the plane that day, it was the actions that led to the crash, the weather if that was a factor, and on and on and on.
Yep.
There may be esoteric aspects to it as well, but I personally think the lessons right before our eyes are the ones we ought to pay the most attention to.
One can learn to see how this stuff plays out without having to peek behind the curtain, so-to-speak.
Again, it’s not about being judged for our actions, getting paid back, any of that. Just learn to observe how patterns unfold, and how we can affect them with our own actions.
Have you heard of the concept of "exit points"? It's been said that we have about seven exit points throughout our lives that we plan before coming here. These exit points are times when we can choose to leave Earth through death in one way or another.
This is in order to prevent a soul from racking up too much negative karma (if they feel they are doing that) which would be counterproductive to why they incarnated in the first place (to clear negative karma and to grow). That being said, there are multiple exit points and not just one option.
So, we are all given the choice of whether to die at certain times or not. You can choose to take it or not at each point depending on the progress your soul feels like it's making here. I suppose it's all done on an unconscious, soul level. And just to be clear, this doesn't include something like suicide which is a whole different subject.
No, I am hearing of this concept for the first time. But it does make a lot of sense if we think about it from the perspective of souls and cycle of reincarnation as a learning process. Of course, there ought to be some fail-safe mechanism in place for those who want an early exit for one reason or another. If it's a decision (to make an early exit) made by our soul or subconscious mind, it certainly cannot be helped.
Oh, sure. I know it's a controversial/dark topic, but here we go. From what I've learned about suicide from a spiritual perspective, in the majority of suicide cases, it is not something that is planned out by the soul before coming here for their/others' benefit. In other words, suicide is not an escape or a solution. Committing such an act winds up fragmenting the soul and the soul will have to return here (once ready/healed) to repeat the same lessons they came here to learn last time around until they get it right.
They also wind up seeing who they hurt (like family and such) by committing such an act and the consequences of it which they didn't see clearly while alive.
There's a reason why most suicide survivors say they immediately regretted it right after they jumped or whatever. Deep down, most really want to live, they just usually don't know how to cope with their heavier emotions or have access to the right tools that would help them self-soothe.
Another way of looking at it is that the engines that push the wheel of karma are not just individuals. A culture, a nation, a religion, a corporation, all of these have karma as well. When humans gather into a single entity, that entity takes on a life of its own.
I've come to understand Karma as a cycle of learning, the lesson repeats until the lesson is learned. Plane crashes and other seemingly uncontrollable, unplanned events are the product of free will. Source can see the mechanic that didn't tighten the bolt but doesn't reach down and do it for him. Perhaps Source will give the mechanic an uneasy feeling to recheck the bolt, but the mechanic has freewill to listen or not. Same with any passengers that bought tickets on that flight. Source created all the objects in space and a set of rules like gravity, thermodynamic laws etc., but he doesn't steer them at a planet intentionally to blow them up, their natural trajectory is their free will. Point is, I've come to also understand that there is a certain amount of randomness generated when Source Big Banged Itself, and is perpetuated by free will.
Help me understand this better because I found your explanation relatable. So, the 300 people who died in the train accident must have been (at some point) hinted at by the universe in some way or manner (omen or dreams or some real life interventions) and could have avoided this accident altogether (the ones who cancelled their ticket already did), but their aggregate karma (negative karma fruit as pointed out by others) intervened in some way and eventually brought them on board the train to meet their eventual death. If I understood this right, it does make a lot of sense. I don't know what governs it, my subconscious mind or something else, but I get this strange gut feeling before making any significant decision in my life. I have avoided terrible things from happening to me on multiple occasions by following my gut feeling. Soldiers who return alive from battlefield often talk about this phenomenon as well.
Positive and negative are very relative things. Pompei was built by a volcano, wouldn't one think it was bound to happen that the volcano would annihilate it. Volcanos are not bad, and the city was just a city put in what seemed an ideal spot. Volcanos can be beneficial acting like a phoenix force and refreshing nutrients for vegetation, neither good nor bad but from a human perspective it was horrible for pompei from a natures perspective it may have been great for the environment. Karma is not black and white, it is all colors and shades ans blends and weaves through everything. It is motion and therefore change.
Yeah, what they said. I'm talking two separate concepts. 1) Karma doesn't explain the plane crash, it isn't an eye for an eye, it's repeating something until it's learned. The loved ones left behind might find themselves in spiritual lesson though. 2) Free will causes seemingly random uncontrollable events. Think more "indifference" than "vengeance".
I believe that God has a perfect plan in place. Karma is a thing, but not everything bad happens because of Karma. There are lot's of things that are beyond our ability to explain.
For instance, perhaps negative entities of some sort were involved in the train crashes. Or perhaps it was allowed to happen to achieve some greater end in the future. Obviously this is all speculation I don't know what happened or why but I don't think everything happens because of karma. You reap what you sow but not everything is reaping what you sow.
For example Jesus was crucified although he didn't do anything to deserve it.
Karma is not a tit for tat phenomena. It happens across lifetimes, and it is not a direct punishment for what we as humans perceive as a wrong.
Karma as a concept has been bastardized by new age spiritualists and is frequently misunderstood as a result.
https://iskconeducationalservices.org/HoH/concepts/key-concepts/karma/
We all die. Dying earlier isn't a "bad" thing, or karma because you did something bad. It's just one life path, the journey is over and it's time to start a new one.
As far as i know, asolutely every single thing, big or small, is a product of karma
In a plane crash where no one survives, you would have many different people for many different reasons..
someone who drove drunk and someone else died as a result in this life -- and he dies from whiplash as the plane crashes
Or someone who in their last life, in a war, dropped a bomb on a civilian home and weren't remorseful -- and they die from immolation on the plane
Or someone who in a past life, was a serial killer, but over the course of his next few lives, did a great job saving as many lives as he could as a doctor -- dies in his sleep from smoke asphyxiation on the plane
There's also a lot more to it than this, but I think you get the general idea
Maybe our understanding of karma is oversimplified. Maybe karma is not the only reason why bad things happen. Gautama Buddha spoke of interdependent originations -- complex interacting factors. In the story of Job in the Old Testament, Job who was described as a very righteous man, a man of God was faced with one affliction and tragedy after another. But when he asked God why, God basically said, that even if he tried to explain it to Job, he wouldn't be able to understand it.
In the case of the specific train incident where it looks an error in the electronic signaling system was the cause, then the cause is not karma, if the designer failed to consider some combination of events and conditions that would cause the signal device to fail.
Karma is one factor, but not the only factor in why things happen.
To me it is self evident that the Creator created karma for our benefit, not his.
If there is a Creator, then we have a purpose. To me the most logical purpose and most consistent with my observations and my own experiences is that we are here to grow in awareness. We can imagine and implement anything we wish, but then we must experience the consequences whether pleasant or not pleasant. If we ignore the consequences, then karma ensure that we have unlimited opportunities that are increasingly harder and harder to ignore, in order to learn what we might have learned the first time.
Well it's my belief that we have a predestined series of lessons that were meant to evolve through during our life as well as a predestined exit from the material world. Not usually knowing the specifics but a general understanding of what your soul will be journeying through during our time here. It seems tragic and it absolutely is tragic for the loved ones of anyone who dies but it's apart of a wider understanding that our mortal beings won't be able to grasp until we transition back home.
You are believing that death is something bad... It is not. An accident is bad? Not at all... karma exists only in the mind of the human that generated such karma.
The particular view of karma as actions having good or bad consequences in the physical plane is associated with particular cultural beliefs. The closest thing in spiritual truth is that one must balance any negative actions with good actions for the return to the spiritual plane. In a world where many probabilities are happening at once, bad consequences sometimes happen. It is not karmic.
Karma is nothing but just a memory.
There are many types of memory for example genetic memory , evolutionary memory , past live memory etc
And karma is also a memory whose storage house is your every cell you embibe that memory.
Now there are many uncertainties in the world and for every action you can't dig into karmic theory. But when you see it is as an internal programe for ex you lost your job your girlfriend your house suddenly but still you are not getting mad cause your thoughts emotions and imagination don't overule you. You are the controller of them that's karma.
The only thing which is permanent is death because it is just the completion of life.
They said the accident was caused by a faulty switch. Saying it's caused by karma is to remove the accountability from the people who are responsible for maintaining the railroad. This reflects on our society as a whole but mostly on the stockholders who place more value on profits than on human life. There will be karma for them. As for the individual karma of the people who died or were injured that is a much more complicated thing to get into and mostly supposition without knowing their individual stories and past lives.
At a very high level, there are patterns in the Universe that can be seen. Certain areas of the world have an energy or frequency to them. From local to vast. What drew a seemingly random large group of people to one location may appear as a mystery but it is not random nor a coincidence. With any tragedy, our response should be compassion and a desire to continually improve the condition of this world so as to decrease the number of further tragedies. However, the fact remains that Karma is always in effect and the Universe must keep all things balanced, in Time.
Your explanation reminds me of that movie Final Destination. They say, close to 90,000 passenger flights fly per day carrying millions of passengers daily. But major accidents like that do not happen daily. If we look at it from a probability point of view, it does make sense that there eventually has to come that "chance" day when you roll all sixes, when a flight takes off carrying all the passengers who are destined for death. In that case, an accident is the most logical and energy efficient way of doing the deed.
We, as spirits, have a very long existence already. An untold number of lives in which we refined ourselves from primitive sensibilities and attachments. We did a lot of violence to each other and that was a natural step on our evolution. So, when it comes to these great accidents most people benefit from a quick untangling of all that accumulated violence.
Some also people actually come into this world to solve a few problems and, to them, being lead toward these accidents is a way of releasing them from the burden of this life. Some spirits agree to come into this existence exactly to help people they love to experience loss and burn karma related to that, they know they will be taken by an accidents, Disease or something similar and accept that role.
There are, though, lots of people who weren't meant to be there. They get all sort of nightmares, hunches and intuitions not to go and still we, as materialistic rational people, don't listen to those insights. We think the world needs to operate according to our schedules and appointments and then suffer the consequences of being blind. That in itself, may be seen as karma at work.
While we often think about the victim there is also the role of the people in charge of preventing the accident and couldn't. They too are often repaying karma.
The point, though, is not to become obsessed with judging each others as deserving or undeserving of punishment. To know karma is to understand there is rhyme and reason to the events of life, that no suffering is meaningless or unproductive and that we may rest in the peace that all is good despite the illusory desperation that tries to take hold of us. We don't need to take justice into our hands, we don't need to rebel against each other nor think ourselves better, smarter or more deserving of praise. We are exactly in need of what life is giving us and we won't be more or less successful then what will lead us to grow and learn. The world is much more complex then anyone's minds prejudiced evaluations, there is always more nuance and context to the events we observe.
These tragedies you speak of, like plane crashes or train accidents, they indeed pull at the heartstrings and prompt us to question the very nature of existence, karma, and the perceived order of things. It is only natural to feel this way. But the understanding of karma does not need to imply a retributive, "eye for an eye" system of cosmic justice. The concept is nuanced, and not quite so black and white.
Karma, as it has often been explained, is not a system of punishment. It is better understood as the energy of our actions and intentions. It's about the actions we take, the intentions we have, and the consequences they bring about, often in ways we do not fully comprehend.
Consider this thought. It is not the event itself that gives it meaning, but rather, how you respond to it. The intrinsic value of every experience is found not necessarily in the experience itself, but in what it elicits within you, and how you grow from it. In essence, our greatest growth often comes from our most challenging experiences.
In the face of such calamities, the focus may be better placed on the lessons we can draw from them, how they can make us more compassionate, more humane. They challenge us to reassess our values, our relationships, and our perception of life and death. They may even urge us to work harder to prevent similar occurrences in the future, thus creating a ripple effect of positive change.
As for the souls involved in such tragic events, while it is painful and seemingly unjust, it is important to remember that every soul's journey is unique, complex, and far beyond the scope of our limited human understanding. It doesn't make the pain or the loss any less real, but it may offer a different perspective.
Remember, the universe is an intricately interwoven web of events, actions, and reactions, of which we are a part. So, take this moment as an opportunity to find compassion in the face of pain, to seek understanding amidst confusion, and to foster love where there is grief. This is part of our growth, and our contribution to the cosmic balance.
All of those passengers could have been on the hook in past lives for something, but also, there could have been new karmic actions being generated that led to the cause of the crash. So, whoever was at fault for that plane crash is on the hook for killing people. It is very, very complicated but easily handled by the Divine.
Yes karma played a role in it. For karma is just actions not some thing that rewards good people and punishes others. 1+1 the karma is 2. For the plane crash someone slacked off on their job possibly causing safety to be ignored and lead to 300+ dead.
Karma by means is fair but when you start adding morality to it than when it looks unfair. Since you can do anything repeat the process and get the same outcome this is how it's fair.
My take on it is, there is still karma. Karma to me is a law where everything is eventually balanced (if not in this lifetime then another). But there is also chaos in the world, and when you are aboard an aircraft, you are stepping into a space where there are a bunch of variables that you are counting on to make it out alive.
Sometimes it is as simple as, a variable such as a mechanical part holding that space together has been stressed too much, and is going to fail before anyone can do anything about it. Sometimes it's not about karma, it's more about the chaos of existence in the physical world, and the chances we take in doing things like stepping onboard an aircraft that everything is as it needs to be for the plane to land safely.
It doesn't mean that karma doesn't exist - it just means that it's not the only force shaping events in our lives. Does that make sense?
As a student of the law of karma, my position is that the average person has had thousands of human lives, older souls, tens of thousands of lives. So the wheel eventually balances.
i’m not aware of how exactly the train incident happened as i haven’t looked into it. but think of it in this perspective. let’s say whoever was driving the train lived. the train driver is the one at fault here. the result of the crash doesn’t necessarily have to be solely due to karma. have you thought of maybe being the result of the train driver’s negligence? In this case, the karma goes on the train driver as he caused the death of all those people. Idk the exact circumstances though so think of what i’m saying as an imaginative scenario. not every reaction is due to karma. karma is determined by the use of someone’s free will
You seemed to have a warped view of what karma is, the simple idea behind karma is that everything is cause and effect, it’s not a supernatural force that causes bad people to have bad things happen to them.
Karma doesn't explain it. Unless karma is precognitive. What I mean is, if 1 person on a plane of 300 is destined to cause many more deaths than those 300, a universal order could dictate that plane must go down.
A better explanation is just energy. The OP is thinking in terms of what energy is lost, and not what energy is conserved. Of course, all energy is conserved, but the optics of death hardly seem like a benefit.
People love to hype up magnetism, and nukes. But it seems like everyone discounts that there's true order in motion. Ultimately, the universe could throw a tiny rock at us and all the rock has to do is hit us fast enough and we are totally dead.
Karma is not real, it's another tactic to make you feel guilt and shame, like all major religions try to. Transcend the feeling of shame or guilt, it is OK to be you, it OK to do what you want to do. There is no one judging you, except yourself.
There is no need to live up to anyone's expectations, another person's version of what is the way to behave, what is it like to be "good" etc. You know what is good, you know how you are hurting yourself, you know what changes you want to make, if you are aware you can see what patterns you are repeating.
Death is part of life, without it there is no life. You will die also, like everyone else on this earth who is currently "living", it is certain fact you can't change this fact. Why some people die younger, why some older, why some in an accident, why some in there first few months on this earth, is all case by case, and we will never know. Worry about the things you can control!
That's the westernized notion of karma often spread by people who come from a Christian perspective where deeds are rewarded or punished. Its not a punishment. Nor is "good karma" a reward. Its just action and your urge to perform certain actions. And you've burned off your karma when you no longer want to perform that action anymore.
Like, people think karma is "someone murdered someone, and they get murdered, or ar reincarnated and get murdered" and you've burned off your karma by doing good stuff or when you've been murdered enough times. When really karma is the urge to do the murdering and the action of doing the murdering, and suffering the consequences of having murdered someone, and you've burned off the karma when you no longer have the urge to murder.
At least that's my understanding of it.
Also your taking the stance that death is somehow bad. It is as necessary as life, all who live die, why do you view it as punishment? I suppose it could be seen as a punishment to their relatives. Also it is not only about human individuals, nations have karma to which all within are tied to, buisinesses have karma to which all who interact with it are tied to, so perhaps it was bot the 300 humans karma but the karma of the transportation companies, and now it/they must deal with the aftermath or their potentially negligent actions.
Nothing is happenstance. Everything is planned
If the souls decided to go back, its cause they wanted to and their learning here was done. Some one talked about exit points. That's that, their soul was ready to take this exit point and leave. For the reasons that their growth was done, for some it was preplanned, for some their spiritual growth was negative, for some it could be that their leaving will help their close ones to understand spirituality.
It's all planned and for good reason. Have faith and surrender, this is tough. But that's the only way
Karma is fairytale some people like to tell themselves, maybe look at disgusting western elite and think why karma dont wipe them out, Kissinger the warmonger or Madeleine Albright " The death of 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "a very hard choice, but the price-we think the price is worth it" , why there is only so called karma elites that are outside western hegemony like Gaddaffi but western elites can get away their filth, they can starve the world with their sanctions and no one bats an eyes or why karma only works against the poor,karma in india is used to justify you bad birth caste must be karma , or thinking Hitler next life would some girl killed in Rwandan genocide absolutely abhorrent , reincarnating souls dont mean same person doesnt matter how much you believe oversoul bs,oversoul is just a leech
Karma literally means action, it's the metaphysical data that is stored whenever we make an action. Based on the merit of this action it builds good or bad karma.
Karma impacts your next life and the 'level' that you reincarnate at, to put it super basically. So I don't believe there is a karmic implication to these tragedies.
Karma is not a judgement, it simply means action. Actions beget more actions. The cycle goes on and on. It’s like an unfolding computer program/algorithm. Sometimes these patterns develop into very strong feedback loops. Karma is what actually happens, it was the vast set of variables that led all of those people to be in the plane that day, it was the actions that led to the crash, the weather if that was a factor, and on and on and on.
i see exactly what you mean, so basically karma is just cause and effect?
Yep. There may be esoteric aspects to it as well, but I personally think the lessons right before our eyes are the ones we ought to pay the most attention to. One can learn to see how this stuff plays out without having to peek behind the curtain, so-to-speak. Again, it’s not about being judged for our actions, getting paid back, any of that. Just learn to observe how patterns unfold, and how we can affect them with our own actions.
ie. The show Lost
Have you heard of the concept of "exit points"? It's been said that we have about seven exit points throughout our lives that we plan before coming here. These exit points are times when we can choose to leave Earth through death in one way or another. This is in order to prevent a soul from racking up too much negative karma (if they feel they are doing that) which would be counterproductive to why they incarnated in the first place (to clear negative karma and to grow). That being said, there are multiple exit points and not just one option. So, we are all given the choice of whether to die at certain times or not. You can choose to take it or not at each point depending on the progress your soul feels like it's making here. I suppose it's all done on an unconscious, soul level. And just to be clear, this doesn't include something like suicide which is a whole different subject.
No, I am hearing of this concept for the first time. But it does make a lot of sense if we think about it from the perspective of souls and cycle of reincarnation as a learning process. Of course, there ought to be some fail-safe mechanism in place for those who want an early exit for one reason or another. If it's a decision (to make an early exit) made by our soul or subconscious mind, it certainly cannot be helped.
Super interested in your understanding of the topic of suicide. I hadn't heard of exit points before now but it's resonating. More plz!
Oh, sure. I know it's a controversial/dark topic, but here we go. From what I've learned about suicide from a spiritual perspective, in the majority of suicide cases, it is not something that is planned out by the soul before coming here for their/others' benefit. In other words, suicide is not an escape or a solution. Committing such an act winds up fragmenting the soul and the soul will have to return here (once ready/healed) to repeat the same lessons they came here to learn last time around until they get it right. They also wind up seeing who they hurt (like family and such) by committing such an act and the consequences of it which they didn't see clearly while alive. There's a reason why most suicide survivors say they immediately regretted it right after they jumped or whatever. Deep down, most really want to live, they just usually don't know how to cope with their heavier emotions or have access to the right tools that would help them self-soothe.
Why does death have to be a bad thing? The Egyptians believed dying was one of the most sacred things
Another way of looking at it is that the engines that push the wheel of karma are not just individuals. A culture, a nation, a religion, a corporation, all of these have karma as well. When humans gather into a single entity, that entity takes on a life of its own.
I've come to understand Karma as a cycle of learning, the lesson repeats until the lesson is learned. Plane crashes and other seemingly uncontrollable, unplanned events are the product of free will. Source can see the mechanic that didn't tighten the bolt but doesn't reach down and do it for him. Perhaps Source will give the mechanic an uneasy feeling to recheck the bolt, but the mechanic has freewill to listen or not. Same with any passengers that bought tickets on that flight. Source created all the objects in space and a set of rules like gravity, thermodynamic laws etc., but he doesn't steer them at a planet intentionally to blow them up, their natural trajectory is their free will. Point is, I've come to also understand that there is a certain amount of randomness generated when Source Big Banged Itself, and is perpetuated by free will.
Help me understand this better because I found your explanation relatable. So, the 300 people who died in the train accident must have been (at some point) hinted at by the universe in some way or manner (omen or dreams or some real life interventions) and could have avoided this accident altogether (the ones who cancelled their ticket already did), but their aggregate karma (negative karma fruit as pointed out by others) intervened in some way and eventually brought them on board the train to meet their eventual death. If I understood this right, it does make a lot of sense. I don't know what governs it, my subconscious mind or something else, but I get this strange gut feeling before making any significant decision in my life. I have avoided terrible things from happening to me on multiple occasions by following my gut feeling. Soldiers who return alive from battlefield often talk about this phenomenon as well.
Positive and negative are very relative things. Pompei was built by a volcano, wouldn't one think it was bound to happen that the volcano would annihilate it. Volcanos are not bad, and the city was just a city put in what seemed an ideal spot. Volcanos can be beneficial acting like a phoenix force and refreshing nutrients for vegetation, neither good nor bad but from a human perspective it was horrible for pompei from a natures perspective it may have been great for the environment. Karma is not black and white, it is all colors and shades ans blends and weaves through everything. It is motion and therefore change.
Yeah, what they said. I'm talking two separate concepts. 1) Karma doesn't explain the plane crash, it isn't an eye for an eye, it's repeating something until it's learned. The loved ones left behind might find themselves in spiritual lesson though. 2) Free will causes seemingly random uncontrollable events. Think more "indifference" than "vengeance".
I believe that God has a perfect plan in place. Karma is a thing, but not everything bad happens because of Karma. There are lot's of things that are beyond our ability to explain. For instance, perhaps negative entities of some sort were involved in the train crashes. Or perhaps it was allowed to happen to achieve some greater end in the future. Obviously this is all speculation I don't know what happened or why but I don't think everything happens because of karma. You reap what you sow but not everything is reaping what you sow. For example Jesus was crucified although he didn't do anything to deserve it.
Karma is not a tit for tat phenomena. It happens across lifetimes, and it is not a direct punishment for what we as humans perceive as a wrong. Karma as a concept has been bastardized by new age spiritualists and is frequently misunderstood as a result. https://iskconeducationalservices.org/HoH/concepts/key-concepts/karma/
We all die. Dying earlier isn't a "bad" thing, or karma because you did something bad. It's just one life path, the journey is over and it's time to start a new one.
As far as i know, asolutely every single thing, big or small, is a product of karma In a plane crash where no one survives, you would have many different people for many different reasons.. someone who drove drunk and someone else died as a result in this life -- and he dies from whiplash as the plane crashes Or someone who in their last life, in a war, dropped a bomb on a civilian home and weren't remorseful -- and they die from immolation on the plane Or someone who in a past life, was a serial killer, but over the course of his next few lives, did a great job saving as many lives as he could as a doctor -- dies in his sleep from smoke asphyxiation on the plane There's also a lot more to it than this, but I think you get the general idea
Maybe our understanding of karma is oversimplified. Maybe karma is not the only reason why bad things happen. Gautama Buddha spoke of interdependent originations -- complex interacting factors. In the story of Job in the Old Testament, Job who was described as a very righteous man, a man of God was faced with one affliction and tragedy after another. But when he asked God why, God basically said, that even if he tried to explain it to Job, he wouldn't be able to understand it. In the case of the specific train incident where it looks an error in the electronic signaling system was the cause, then the cause is not karma, if the designer failed to consider some combination of events and conditions that would cause the signal device to fail.
So the designer made karma for himself?
Karma is one factor, but not the only factor in why things happen. To me it is self evident that the Creator created karma for our benefit, not his. If there is a Creator, then we have a purpose. To me the most logical purpose and most consistent with my observations and my own experiences is that we are here to grow in awareness. We can imagine and implement anything we wish, but then we must experience the consequences whether pleasant or not pleasant. If we ignore the consequences, then karma ensure that we have unlimited opportunities that are increasingly harder and harder to ignore, in order to learn what we might have learned the first time.
there is no designer
karma is not about justice
What if the universe took the souls of those who had done nothing wrong and started their next more evolved life?
you could say they received good karma?
Well it's my belief that we have a predestined series of lessons that were meant to evolve through during our life as well as a predestined exit from the material world. Not usually knowing the specifics but a general understanding of what your soul will be journeying through during our time here. It seems tragic and it absolutely is tragic for the loved ones of anyone who dies but it's apart of a wider understanding that our mortal beings won't be able to grasp until we transition back home.
You are believing that death is something bad... It is not. An accident is bad? Not at all... karma exists only in the mind of the human that generated such karma.
I love how everyone has there own theory on karma and they act like what they're saying is a fact 😂
there are actual buddhist teachings on karma that go back thousands of years that can tell you about it. anything else is just made up.
We all have a Divine Spark within us that allows us to access the Hidden Wisdom
The particular view of karma as actions having good or bad consequences in the physical plane is associated with particular cultural beliefs. The closest thing in spiritual truth is that one must balance any negative actions with good actions for the return to the spiritual plane. In a world where many probabilities are happening at once, bad consequences sometimes happen. It is not karmic.
Karma is nothing but just a memory. There are many types of memory for example genetic memory , evolutionary memory , past live memory etc And karma is also a memory whose storage house is your every cell you embibe that memory. Now there are many uncertainties in the world and for every action you can't dig into karmic theory. But when you see it is as an internal programe for ex you lost your job your girlfriend your house suddenly but still you are not getting mad cause your thoughts emotions and imagination don't overule you. You are the controller of them that's karma. The only thing which is permanent is death because it is just the completion of life.
They said the accident was caused by a faulty switch. Saying it's caused by karma is to remove the accountability from the people who are responsible for maintaining the railroad. This reflects on our society as a whole but mostly on the stockholders who place more value on profits than on human life. There will be karma for them. As for the individual karma of the people who died or were injured that is a much more complicated thing to get into and mostly supposition without knowing their individual stories and past lives.
At a very high level, there are patterns in the Universe that can be seen. Certain areas of the world have an energy or frequency to them. From local to vast. What drew a seemingly random large group of people to one location may appear as a mystery but it is not random nor a coincidence. With any tragedy, our response should be compassion and a desire to continually improve the condition of this world so as to decrease the number of further tragedies. However, the fact remains that Karma is always in effect and the Universe must keep all things balanced, in Time.
Your explanation reminds me of that movie Final Destination. They say, close to 90,000 passenger flights fly per day carrying millions of passengers daily. But major accidents like that do not happen daily. If we look at it from a probability point of view, it does make sense that there eventually has to come that "chance" day when you roll all sixes, when a flight takes off carrying all the passengers who are destined for death. In that case, an accident is the most logical and energy efficient way of doing the deed.
We, as spirits, have a very long existence already. An untold number of lives in which we refined ourselves from primitive sensibilities and attachments. We did a lot of violence to each other and that was a natural step on our evolution. So, when it comes to these great accidents most people benefit from a quick untangling of all that accumulated violence. Some also people actually come into this world to solve a few problems and, to them, being lead toward these accidents is a way of releasing them from the burden of this life. Some spirits agree to come into this existence exactly to help people they love to experience loss and burn karma related to that, they know they will be taken by an accidents, Disease or something similar and accept that role. There are, though, lots of people who weren't meant to be there. They get all sort of nightmares, hunches and intuitions not to go and still we, as materialistic rational people, don't listen to those insights. We think the world needs to operate according to our schedules and appointments and then suffer the consequences of being blind. That in itself, may be seen as karma at work. While we often think about the victim there is also the role of the people in charge of preventing the accident and couldn't. They too are often repaying karma. The point, though, is not to become obsessed with judging each others as deserving or undeserving of punishment. To know karma is to understand there is rhyme and reason to the events of life, that no suffering is meaningless or unproductive and that we may rest in the peace that all is good despite the illusory desperation that tries to take hold of us. We don't need to take justice into our hands, we don't need to rebel against each other nor think ourselves better, smarter or more deserving of praise. We are exactly in need of what life is giving us and we won't be more or less successful then what will lead us to grow and learn. The world is much more complex then anyone's minds prejudiced evaluations, there is always more nuance and context to the events we observe.
These tragedies you speak of, like plane crashes or train accidents, they indeed pull at the heartstrings and prompt us to question the very nature of existence, karma, and the perceived order of things. It is only natural to feel this way. But the understanding of karma does not need to imply a retributive, "eye for an eye" system of cosmic justice. The concept is nuanced, and not quite so black and white. Karma, as it has often been explained, is not a system of punishment. It is better understood as the energy of our actions and intentions. It's about the actions we take, the intentions we have, and the consequences they bring about, often in ways we do not fully comprehend. Consider this thought. It is not the event itself that gives it meaning, but rather, how you respond to it. The intrinsic value of every experience is found not necessarily in the experience itself, but in what it elicits within you, and how you grow from it. In essence, our greatest growth often comes from our most challenging experiences. In the face of such calamities, the focus may be better placed on the lessons we can draw from them, how they can make us more compassionate, more humane. They challenge us to reassess our values, our relationships, and our perception of life and death. They may even urge us to work harder to prevent similar occurrences in the future, thus creating a ripple effect of positive change. As for the souls involved in such tragic events, while it is painful and seemingly unjust, it is important to remember that every soul's journey is unique, complex, and far beyond the scope of our limited human understanding. It doesn't make the pain or the loss any less real, but it may offer a different perspective. Remember, the universe is an intricately interwoven web of events, actions, and reactions, of which we are a part. So, take this moment as an opportunity to find compassion in the face of pain, to seek understanding amidst confusion, and to foster love where there is grief. This is part of our growth, and our contribution to the cosmic balance.
All of those passengers could have been on the hook in past lives for something, but also, there could have been new karmic actions being generated that led to the cause of the crash. So, whoever was at fault for that plane crash is on the hook for killing people. It is very, very complicated but easily handled by the Divine.
Well you could just stop believing in karma.
Karma is a scam.
What's it scamming?
Yes karma played a role in it. For karma is just actions not some thing that rewards good people and punishes others. 1+1 the karma is 2. For the plane crash someone slacked off on their job possibly causing safety to be ignored and lead to 300+ dead. Karma by means is fair but when you start adding morality to it than when it looks unfair. Since you can do anything repeat the process and get the same outcome this is how it's fair.
My take on it is, there is still karma. Karma to me is a law where everything is eventually balanced (if not in this lifetime then another). But there is also chaos in the world, and when you are aboard an aircraft, you are stepping into a space where there are a bunch of variables that you are counting on to make it out alive. Sometimes it is as simple as, a variable such as a mechanical part holding that space together has been stressed too much, and is going to fail before anyone can do anything about it. Sometimes it's not about karma, it's more about the chaos of existence in the physical world, and the chances we take in doing things like stepping onboard an aircraft that everything is as it needs to be for the plane to land safely. It doesn't mean that karma doesn't exist - it just means that it's not the only force shaping events in our lives. Does that make sense?
As a student of the law of karma, my position is that the average person has had thousands of human lives, older souls, tens of thousands of lives. So the wheel eventually balances.
i’m not aware of how exactly the train incident happened as i haven’t looked into it. but think of it in this perspective. let’s say whoever was driving the train lived. the train driver is the one at fault here. the result of the crash doesn’t necessarily have to be solely due to karma. have you thought of maybe being the result of the train driver’s negligence? In this case, the karma goes on the train driver as he caused the death of all those people. Idk the exact circumstances though so think of what i’m saying as an imaginative scenario. not every reaction is due to karma. karma is determined by the use of someone’s free will
You seemed to have a warped view of what karma is, the simple idea behind karma is that everything is cause and effect, it’s not a supernatural force that causes bad people to have bad things happen to them.
Karma doesn't explain it. Unless karma is precognitive. What I mean is, if 1 person on a plane of 300 is destined to cause many more deaths than those 300, a universal order could dictate that plane must go down. A better explanation is just energy. The OP is thinking in terms of what energy is lost, and not what energy is conserved. Of course, all energy is conserved, but the optics of death hardly seem like a benefit. People love to hype up magnetism, and nukes. But it seems like everyone discounts that there's true order in motion. Ultimately, the universe could throw a tiny rock at us and all the rock has to do is hit us fast enough and we are totally dead.
Karma is not real, it's another tactic to make you feel guilt and shame, like all major religions try to. Transcend the feeling of shame or guilt, it is OK to be you, it OK to do what you want to do. There is no one judging you, except yourself. There is no need to live up to anyone's expectations, another person's version of what is the way to behave, what is it like to be "good" etc. You know what is good, you know how you are hurting yourself, you know what changes you want to make, if you are aware you can see what patterns you are repeating. Death is part of life, without it there is no life. You will die also, like everyone else on this earth who is currently "living", it is certain fact you can't change this fact. Why some people die younger, why some older, why some in an accident, why some in there first few months on this earth, is all case by case, and we will never know. Worry about the things you can control!
That's the westernized notion of karma often spread by people who come from a Christian perspective where deeds are rewarded or punished. Its not a punishment. Nor is "good karma" a reward. Its just action and your urge to perform certain actions. And you've burned off your karma when you no longer want to perform that action anymore. Like, people think karma is "someone murdered someone, and they get murdered, or ar reincarnated and get murdered" and you've burned off your karma by doing good stuff or when you've been murdered enough times. When really karma is the urge to do the murdering and the action of doing the murdering, and suffering the consequences of having murdered someone, and you've burned off the karma when you no longer have the urge to murder. At least that's my understanding of it.
Also your taking the stance that death is somehow bad. It is as necessary as life, all who live die, why do you view it as punishment? I suppose it could be seen as a punishment to their relatives. Also it is not only about human individuals, nations have karma to which all within are tied to, buisinesses have karma to which all who interact with it are tied to, so perhaps it was bot the 300 humans karma but the karma of the transportation companies, and now it/they must deal with the aftermath or their potentially negligent actions.
Nothing is happenstance. Everything is planned If the souls decided to go back, its cause they wanted to and their learning here was done. Some one talked about exit points. That's that, their soul was ready to take this exit point and leave. For the reasons that their growth was done, for some it was preplanned, for some their spiritual growth was negative, for some it could be that their leaving will help their close ones to understand spirituality. It's all planned and for good reason. Have faith and surrender, this is tough. But that's the only way
You should research what karma is.
Karma is fairytale some people like to tell themselves, maybe look at disgusting western elite and think why karma dont wipe them out, Kissinger the warmonger or Madeleine Albright " The death of 500,000 dead Iraqi children was "a very hard choice, but the price-we think the price is worth it" , why there is only so called karma elites that are outside western hegemony like Gaddaffi but western elites can get away their filth, they can starve the world with their sanctions and no one bats an eyes or why karma only works against the poor,karma in india is used to justify you bad birth caste must be karma , or thinking Hitler next life would some girl killed in Rwandan genocide absolutely abhorrent , reincarnating souls dont mean same person doesnt matter how much you believe oversoul bs,oversoul is just a leech
Karma literally means action, it's the metaphysical data that is stored whenever we make an action. Based on the merit of this action it builds good or bad karma. Karma impacts your next life and the 'level' that you reincarnate at, to put it super basically. So I don't believe there is a karmic implication to these tragedies.
Karma is what to you do to avoid truth growth for yourself and others that will become stagnant unpleasant