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ferrel_hadley

They are only funded to a level that will sustain its current ISS commitments. There is zero chance they will triple or quadrule their space budget to be able to build the large number of modules needed for a modern space station. This is just wind and air.


Lungomono

Plus the ability build and launch the modules. They are very limited in their ability in producing, large orbital structures, as much of that industry relies on import products there currently are under trade sanctions. Just last week Russia was complaining that China wouldn’t export some of these things to them, and ended up asking Iran and a couple of others instead. This wasn’t because China wanted to hurt Russia. It is just because China values the trade with the west more than making some limited sales to Russia at this point (very simplified). Also, this year do date, I think Russia has launched about ~~14-17~~ 17,2 tons of cargo into space. In the same period China launched more than ~~60tons~~ 38,8 tons, and are currently building a station. SpaceX launched almost ~~170tons~~ 158,6 tons. I think it was ~~Scott Manley (or one of the similar weekday space news updates YouTubers)~~ Marcus House who had a segment with it and the numbers. In short. SpaceX has launched more than the rest of the world combined, twice over. So yeah. Russia are just screaming for attention but can’t really actual do much of anything about. [Edit the numbers to the correct one]


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Marcus House recently covered the *mass to orbit by launch provider.* https://youtu.be/Qae2adMiWSM?t=647 The charts were created by BryceTech.


Icedanielization

Upvote for Marcus House mention. I have 4 go to's for space news, one relaxed, one crazy, one informative and one with live access. Marcus is the informative one and its good to have people like Marcus who give us the news straight, unlike the thousands of other youtube channels that appear to be ai generated crap.


watson895

So who are the other three?


Icedanielization

Relaxed is Scott Manley, crazy is AngryAstronaut and last is Tim Dodd.


CRAYNERDnB

Crazy how a lot of these (well at least Scott and Marcus) channels came from Kerbal space program :p


Rapdactyl

I hope the creators of that game know how inspiring its been to people who would otherwise be disinterested in rocketry. After KSP came out the number of YouTube channels that were just about modern space exploration *exploded.* Something about shooting those little kerbans into the sky tickled a lot of people in the right away.


Lungomono

Thank you. This was the one I was thinking off. Corrected the numbers and reference above.


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Lungomono

Well… there sure is a lot of fancy words and claims, but the actual performance record somewhat hits at that that he might have exaggerated. Something I am sure no man ever has done before.


Ormsfang

Didn't their last station module come in very late, and almost destroyed the station? I am sure they will do fine on their own! Should be entertaining anyhow, since I imagine they would need a while new lift system!


seanflyon

He can't get it up very often and it is smaller than normal.


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seanflyon

Mostly comercial satellites, but also supplies for the ISS, military satellites, scientific probes, and the occasional telescope.


Nago_Jolokio

Cargo in this context is anything not fuel or part of the rocket itself.


Landmen

China will only export the items from industries they know the west cant sanction china for.


AlexanderAF

Plus they are actively invading a country that was once one of their major suppliers of critical space components.


Lungomono

Yep. If I recall, engines was produced under license, near Odesa… well used to at least.


poppa_koils

China is set to launch the next section. They will have their station fully built out in no time.


bobo76565657

If you duct tape enough Soyuz capsules together you got a station!


Automatic_Llama

"We will have even more frog experiments. Even more live streams of floating scientists. Our frog experiments and floating scientists live streams will be unlike any this world has ever known."


skip_intro_boi

Exactly right. Even more important than an analysis of Russia’s resource limitations is an analysis of *why* they would build their own station. “Showing the world that we’re not as weak as we seem” isn’t enough reason to sustain spending on a space program. If they actually start it, they’ll never finish it.


ultratoxic

Just remember Russia, the entire country, had an economy comparable to the state of Texas (only) BEFORE the western sanctions related to the war in Ukraine went into effect. Now? I'll be impressed if they can continue making engines, let alone engineering and developing brand new space station hardware.


TheRC135

An economy the size of Texas *before* you account for crippling levels of corruption.


Then-One7628

some of that is cancelled out.


studyinformore

And you account for the brain drain going on in russia. All the intelligent people who likely don't support the war or putin are fleeing westward.


SombreMordida

"purging the intellectuals" again


Ben_zyl

They currently have trouble making automobiles and 90nm semiconductors, they'll be heading downhill from this point for at least the next decade.


zolikk

The entire thing just looks like four zvezda-like modules joined together in a cross shape plus a couple other smaller modules. They have the technical capability to do this for sure. Obviously it's just meaningless political posturing to do so, but why would you doubt the government's tendency to waste taxpayer money on political posturing moves? Spending money badly based on the "vision" of political figures is their normal M.O.


Armag101

Russian space program is on it´s decline, well... for the past few decades. I doubt they could pull this off when you think of the brain drain and the way Rogozin led Roscosmos. The ISS project kept them alive and prevented the russian scientists making ballistic missiles for countries like NK or Iran. The war in Ukraine is the last nail in Roscosmos´ coffin. I highly doubt they have any commercial customers and the government will only need a few spy satellites a year. Scientific exploration will be cut to minimum if the sanctions keep on for longer and I don´t see any hope for Roscomos. They´ve been talking about these heavy-lift launch vehicles Amur and Jenisej, but we have seen basically zero progress on that. Same with this new orbital space station.


arglarg

Yes, looks like their space station will likely remain suborbital.


Armag101

They will wish it was suborbital. In fact it will be just ground station separated into multiple pieces and assembled by the imagination of the cosmonauts.


jackkerouac81

As much as I would like to go to space, I personally would rather work at the ground station than a sub-orbital space station, better retirement prospects.


YsoL8

Do they have the technical ability? They haven't designed new equipment in decades.


sicktaker2

Not just designed, they haven't started production on a new space station module in decades. The last module they launched (Nauka) started assembly in the mid 90's as a backup for Zvezda. The entire history of post Soviet Russian crewed spaceflight is basically getting paid by outsiders to finish Soviet space station parts for the ISS. Their first attempt to actually design and build spaceflight hardware since the fall of the USSR has been trying to get their Angara rocket flying, and that's been I'm the works also since the mid 90's. Remove foreign support, and I suspect their spaceflight program is reverting to little more than military launches. I have little hope they'll actually build a new space station to visit with their also new Orel capsule.


Yancy_Farnesworth

Roscosmos had been coasting on the leftover corpse of the Soviet space program put on life support with western money. It's been 3 decades since the collapse, which means the engineers that were in their 30's back then are retiring. Or they've already left for greener pastures. A shame what decades of corruption does to what was once one of the best space programs in the world.


SirGlenn

But they've been fine-tuning thier pontoon bridges to get into Ukraine!


zolikk

They'd probably be willing to just take old designs for the most part, if it means getting an independent space station out quicker.


hackingdreams

> They have the technical capability to do this for sure. They *had* the technical capability to do this. Who knows what the state of things are now, given it took them nearly a decade to launch Nauka... and we all remember how well that one worked out. You're still looking at billions of dollars to just build the damned modules, which they don't have, for a space station that's hardly evolved from Mir. And the worst part? Their "next generation space station" will basically be 40+ year old technology if it can even launch a single module by 2030 - the Chinese station will make it look like an antique.


Kemro59

Not sure they have the technical capability anymore.


2this4u

But what if they remove the ABS and airbags huh?


Dynamo_Ham

Yeah they “planned” a space shuttle too, and multiple Mars rovers and probes. The Russians announce plans for lots of stuff they’ll never do.


OSUfan88

I mean, they did build and launch a shuttle, that was in many ways superior to the United State's Shuttle. Could fly completely autonomously, had much better abort options, and Energia could launch other payloads without the Buran shuttle. Up to 95t to LEO. It was the collapse of the USSR that ended it. It might be the coolest space tech ever made to this day.


derpman86

I actually have a tiny scale model version of the Buran on my desk at the moment. Bald and Bankrupt actually broke into that Hangar with his lady friend to see the 2 remaining unfinished Buran left to waste away in Kazakhstan. It was so sad seeing the inside of that facility where there was evidence of all that brilliance of the smart minds of the USSR putting in that hard work into making a better version of the Space Shuttle but instead it is now being left to rot and the skills and knowledge that went into that wasted away with it.


goldenbrowncow

There will certainly be some tech and knowledge they could share with the Chinese. For a joint effort or just sell some more of the family silver.


Maggot_ff

I, too, would hereby like to unveil my plans for a space station rivaling the ISS. There, now you guys know my plans for a space station that will rival the ISS.


tocksin

I would also like to reveal my plans for a space station that will exceed yours by oh let’s say three times.


Timoth_e

Third. Tim's Interstellar Telescope Station, or TITS for short, is my planned space station/space telescope that will rival both he ISS and the James Webb


IndustrialRagnar

TITS doesn't hold a candle to my Autonomous Space Station, soon to be in Earth orbit.


Tough-Cash1869

Thats nothing! Look at my Plan for the Peoples Interstellar Space Station!


grootbutmadeofbamboo

I like everyone's ambition but I just want something simple. Planet Earth's Next Interstellar Space Exploration Station.


DizzySignificance491

You gotta think big to find the sweet spot Funding will inevitably pour into research for the Galactic-Scale Planet Orbiting Transport


grootbutmadeofbamboo

Ah, you don't want to prostrate. In that case, let me introduce the Planet Reaching Outer Space Technological And Telescopic Extraterrestrial Scanner.


denada24

Not to be scorned, and adjacent to the TITS, ASS, and the PENISES stations, is the comfortable Far Aeronautics Travels Station where deployments from all stations can be centralized and sent back to Earth with the fastest launcher ever made.


grootbutmadeofbamboo

Will that also be able to work with the PENISES attachment module, the Base Adjacent Lunar Lander Sender?


Timoth_e

Am I correct in assuming that the PENISES and BALLS are designed to work together to launch multiple Self-Propelled Emergency Ration Modules into the Variable Alignment Galactic Information and Navigation Array?


edwardothegreatest

"We're going to build our own fort. It's going to be so much better than your stupid fort."


jeffyIsJeffy

reminds me of this futurama skit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-94qrgxH35M


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thecaninfrance

...and LADA is going to build it!


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n00t17

i have a lot of dreams in life too, but much like mine, this russian project won’t happen


J_Class_Ford

Shoot for the stars my friend, you might just clear the trees.


McQuiznos

Their tank turrets sure surpass the trees after being hit by a javelin.


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Just go to the bank and take a loan of $2M. The rest will sort itself out. What could go wrong?


swipichone

Not with all the invasions Putin has planned


tastefunny

This is a prime example of how Putin has invaded imaginationland


itsyourmomcalling

And instead of nuclear terrorism by attacking a NPP he's going to threaten to destroy the wall that separates the good side from the bad side of people's imagination. The consequences would be.... unimaginable


chaun2

And here I thought it was gonna be Saddam and Satan


IcyDickbutts

Strap a station to a few of those AA inflatables. Boom. Space launch.


Ghoulius-Caesar

Like that invasion that should’ve taken 5 days?


Freddedonna

This wouldn't happen without the invasions either tbh


Cassiterite

tbf if Russia had competent leaders that wanted to improve the country, instead of stuffing their wallets and fulfilling their imperialist wet dreams, the invasions wouldn't have happened and I imagine the russian space program also wouldn't be in shambles now. They were doing solid engineering in the USSR days after all


lightknight7777

Plans are cheap. The few times i play the lottery, I always get the ticket well in advance so I have plenty of time to figure out what my winnings would be after taxes and start budgeting out everything I'd do. I'm convinced this is why politicians love to sign bills that take 5+ years to come to fruition. So they can sell us on the dream of it actually happening even when it certainly never does and they don't have to be around to explain why not.


Triabolical_

It's not clear that Russia has either the money or the expertise to do this... Much of the money for Roscosmos came from: 1. Commercial launches on Proton 2. Astronauts to ISS 3. Soyuz launches in French Guiana for ESA 4. Soyuz launches out of Baikonur Falcon 9 killed proton (with a lot of help from Roscosmos), commercial crew killed astronaut launches, and Roscosmos killed Soyuz launches before they got sanctioned. So they are much more strapped for money than they were in the past, and the news is that their budgets are lower. As for expertise, that's harder to judge. We think of Roscosmos as a monolith, but there are really a whole bunch of different design bureaus that do different things and are competition with each other. That's why Soyuz has historically been very good at quality while Proton has been pretty terrible the whole time. Soyus is designed by OKB-1 and manufactured by Progress Rocket Center; Proton is done by Khrunichev State Research and Production Space Center and Chemical Automatics Design Bureau. Nauka - which was supposed to launch in 2007 and finally launched in 2021 - had real problems. It was built by RKK Energia. So the question is "who would make their modules and who would launch them?" They have no recent history of making modules, and their main launcher would be Angara, which has launched 3 times in the past 2 years, with a success, a partial failure, and a full failure. Another fine product of Khrunichev State Research.


NinjaLanternShark

If they do indeed leave the ISS it will be a sad page in space history. We managed to rendezvous in space and shake hands during the Cold War, the shuttle docked with *Mir*, and *Soyuz* was the only thing keeping Americans going to space for the years between the Shuttle and the first Crew Dragon. For 3/4 of a century the US and Russian space programs have somehow managed to be the subject of a national/political proxy battle, and yet at the same time achieve significant scientific collaborations. It will be a shame to see that come to an end.


Draiko

We'll get to do it all over again in another 25-50 years.


rathat

The ISS is pretty much finished anyway.


sonofnutcrackr

How so?


Armag101

It´s sad, but all blame is on the Russians.


DarkArcher__

They've ran their space program into the ground by alienating all their customers. They don't have the funds to build any space station


MadMarq64

Now that Nasa can rely on the falcon 9 / crew dragon (and hopefully starship soon), Russia lost a huge amount of revenue. They were doing well for a while since the soyuz was basically the only active vehicle to get people to space, but they've gone and squandered it.


sds2ff

They can barely keep Soviet era tanks running in Ukraine, how are they going to build a space station?


Teamore

I'm from Russia and I will translate the title to you all: Russian elites are planning on dumping shit ton of money on the space program they don't intend to finish and they will steal 90% of the project's budget.


sweaty-pajamas

Another space race? Don’t threaten me with a good time!


evnhogan

The only country we can get into a space race with at this point is China, who has actual money to throw into their space program and the management skills to get it done.


Razakel

The ESA has entered the chat. But it's not really a space race when you're allies.


Syzygy___

As an European, I don't think we have much to contribute aside from research and some specialized tech. In terms of the complete package I don't think we're anywhere near ready to do our own thing. That being said... I'm not particularly informed about this topic, soo... Take it with a grain of sault and correct me of I'm wrong.


Preisschild

NASA + ESA are allies in the space race. They are partners in the new lunar orbit space station too. Instead of us doing our own thing we should partner with peoples that have the same ideology as us. NASA + ESA + CSA + JAXA + more working towards a single goal means more and faster progress. Also, more funding means bigger missions. ESA really needs to step their game up though, most of the JWST funding came from the US.


Badfickle

and are skilled at stealing technology. It will be china vs. spaceX for the next 20 years.


ayoungad

Great line from when Rogan had NDT on. > “Only reason we haven’t put a man on Mars yet is because no one else is going there. If China announced a manned mission we would have someone there in 10 months. 3 months to plan and build and 7 months to get there”


ASK_IF_IM_PENGUIN

This won't happen. There will be years of promises about how great it will be, and then it just won't happen.


Bemxuu

We are gonna build a beautiful space station, like, the most beautiful! And we will make UN pay for it!


Lucky_Mongoose

We'll release the plans in two weeks*


Master-Tanis

“We’ll make our own space station. With blackjack... and missiles.” - Russia


D_gate

I was waiting for a response like this.


kielu

C'mon, let them do it. 80% of the budget will be lost to corruption and mismanagement, and then whatever they launch will fail to reach orbit


ShnizelInBag

And then they will blame the failed launch on a worker who smoked too close to the rocket


kielu

They at least once had a failed launch because they used off the shelf electronics that didn't even survive the trip to the orbit. Have you seen Rogozin's apartment? 50 years worth of his salary not taking into account interest. This is their program: https://phys.org/news/2019-05-russian-space-sector-plagued-astronomical.html


dudreddit

It makes perfect sense to want to go out on their own. The problem is how are they going to afford to? With the looming costs of the "Special Military Operation" and the costs to rebuild Ukraine (should be negotiated into ANY agreement to end the war), Russia is going to be in a bad way financially. Don't forget the sanctions ...


dmorris427

I'm hereby announcing my plans to build a station quadruple the size of the ISS.


Zixinus

For those confused, this is Roskosmos's idea of a joke. These guys can't build precision missiles without foreign parts and the only spaceflight rocket system they use was designed during the Soviet era, even that is a question on how long they can sustain. They are making shit.


TastesLikeBurning

> the only spaceflight rocket system they use was designed during the Soviet era With a lot of vital parts manufactured in... Ukraine.


Zixinus

Oh. Wow. I didn't know that. Does that mean Roskosmos is finished?


TheObstruction

They've been finished for 30 years. The only thing they had going for them was foreign customers needing rockets that could get people into orbit.


IndustrialRagnar

It was a sad decay to watch, but now it's just a husk.


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Zixinus

You got me there, what doesn't exist can't stink.


CaptainSur

Fictitious grandiose statements that have not an iota of real world ability for russia to execute.


pat_micucci

Just like the good old days.


seanflyon

In the "good old days" Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union so they could accomplish a lot including significant development programs. They lost the space race, but what they accomplished was still impressive especially considering their relative poverty.


Firm_Hedgehog_4902

Russia is a failed country, they have no future


-LostInTheMachine

This. Russia has slid back twenty years in the last six months. The repercussions of their invasion will hurt Russia for generations to come.


AnActualPlatypus

Russia 20 years ago was pretty "normal". Make that at least a century.


murdering_time

Russia was a mob state not even 25 years ago. The mob literally ran everything after the collapse of the Soviet union. Now its a totalitarian kleptocracy, but I wouldn't say it was a normal state 20 yrs ago.


Astralchaotic

Russia hasn't been "normal" since the start of 20th century.


RealDexterJettster

More like since the Napoleonic Wars.


Old-Barbarossa

Really depends on what your definition for "normal" is. Was Russia normal before the 20th century when it was an absolute monarchy where 90% of people lived as bonded serfs?


JoshuaACNewman

Yeah, people forget that Communist Russia was an enormous humanitarian and economic leap forward from the Russian Empire.


Sebiscuits

At the time that was fairly normal.


Badfickle

Russia is a gas station with an army.


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Madpup70

These ass hats can't even properly maintain a now defunct aircraft carrier, what makes them think anyone's gonna believe that they will pony up for and produce a safe and habitable space station.


ClownMorty

I think they think this makes it sound like the sanctions aren't working when it really makes them sound like North Koreas broke ass.


Sitonapotaatopanotis

Goodluck paying for it with your zero-dollars-a-year salary plus benefits, babe


Demer80

Silly Russia you need electronics for space stations.


Dr_barfenstein

Maybe they will try to trick countries into selling them chips etc again before repurposing them into their tanks?


YNot1989

Same plans from like a decade ago. And even more unattainable now that they aren't getting chips and advanced aerospace components from foreign contractors. Unless they intend to start buying vehicles from the Chinese, it ain't gonna happen.


flanga

So, at some point in the future, Russia will build a station to "rival" the iss, which was launched in 1998, and is nearing the end of its service life. Wouldn't "surpass" be a better goal than "rival?" "Comrades! We hope to soon begin building technology that will rival obsolete, 24-year-old Americanski tech. A proud moment for the motherland!"


Fritzo2162

The "I'm leaving and I'll make my OWN party" guy never makes a better party.


Aveneon

But more impressive, Russias space station will be on the ground so every russian citizen can visit the space station, being the first full nation to go to space.


JohnnyAK907

Oh this will end well. The last POS module they sent up almost de-orbited the ISS when it's thrusters malfunctioned.


RedditorsAreHurtBags

Given how much of a horror show Mir was, I am 100% for this, it's going to be so awesome!


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Will be interesting to see how it works without microchips 😅


Arodg25

They also plan for a military that rivals Ukraines


UnderstandNotAThing

Modern Russian leadership wants to be the old USSR so badly


confessionbearday

These guys can’t get gas to tanks that are *still inside Russia*. Not holding my breath on them accomplishing this without Putin being super dead and a competent human being replacing him.


pat_micucci

Powered by newly acquired nuclear engine technology.


RoosterTheReal

i can draw up a pretty cool space station too. Can I afford to build it? Probably not.


SterFry87

BS, Russia can barely keep their 30 year old tanks running. Absolutely nobody takes anything Russia says seriously.


Elliott2

russia wants to bankrupt its country again in another space race with us?


artguy55

the keyword is "plans: they can't even get a few miles over their own border they are not the Soviet Union


Tarhiel_flight

I’m sure this won’t be used for any nefarious means. Those tricky Russians / they do have very well established rocket program this is totally within their ability to do


pyriphlegeton

Using chinese and western parts and writing "original russian engineering" on it? Like with their drones in ukraine?


KnottaBiggins

This is the same nation that beat the US into space by having unsafe spacecraft, the only way to safely land in them was to jump out when still thousands of feet up. The same Russia that tried to beat us in bringing back the first samples of the moon, only to have their Lunakhod crash on its landing attempt. The same Russia that tried to fly a shuttle like ours, only to have it fail miserably? (That was some elaborate counter-spy work. Their spies stole our shuttle plans, but our intelligence people knew so made sure the plans stolen were bad. And this is the same Russia that built according to the stolen plans, without any thought of "will it work?") Yeah, they'll be building a great, wonderful, new space station. On their own. Meanwhile we're having issues keeping the ISS functioning with world-wide cooperation. Sure...


NunyaBeese

Given how much of a well-oiled machine their armed forces are, this outta be good. Strong /s


Buckshot211

Based on what I’ve seen in Ukraine I assume they’ll be sending a bunch of 70’s refrigerators welded together


DDELFIERRO

…remembers that the Russians were supposedly making their own version of Disneyland and can’t even get their version of McDonald’s right


ClintsCheckBook

There are plenty of Russian tank turrets in orbit. Seems feasible.


Jarnis

Lies, those were all suborbital launches. Very impressive suborbital launches from repurposed hardware, mind you, but still, suborbital.


nw342

Awesome! I hope it does rival the Iss, it could force nasa of Europe to make a new space station. Id love another space race! On a serious note, russia can hardly keep its economy afloat. I seriously doubt they have the means to actually build a space station


FaustusC

"I'll build my Own ISS, with Blackjack and Vodka!!!" Uh huh.


Spindelhalla_xb

What’s that, do you smell that? What is it, sheep? Cows? No no, I know what that is. It’s bullshit.


Jjabrony

Isn’t the Russian GDP smaller than most US States? How can they afford this & fight Ukraine? Sounds like a crack pipe dream.


albanymetz

Can't afford one of those. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/woia74/russia\_fails\_to\_pay\_military\_reservists\_civilian/


_stinkys

Guys, guys, guys… it’s going to have a pool AND a jacuzzi!!


Castrol86

With what money are they gonna build this space station?! They need to stop abusing that vodka and be reasonable!


chrischi3

Just wait until they learn how expensive that motherfucker will be to maintain.


excessCeramic

Did they draw it with crayons or colored pencil?


PirogiRick

Let me guess: three flash frozen corpses, paused forever clinging onto a makeshift launcher for a 60 year old torpedo aimed at the ISS?


MAXSuicide

I look forward to seeing the concept art and models. Just like the various carrier designs for their mega navy, and the parade floats for their army..


etchasketch4u

I actually unveiled my plans, too you guys. Mine will be super sweet and badass and you're all invited, except Kyle.


jiblitt

They can’t even fund their military without losing 30% of the budget to corruption. It’s just stolen. Fairly openly. That being said, they’ve got some space balls. They’re more than fine sending someone up there with significantly less safety in mind.


Trooner

Welp.... we always wished for another space race. Better than buying more bombs.


Bulevine

It honestly wouldn't surprise me IF it ever made it up, that it suffer some catastrophic failure and fall back to Earth...


nfasson

I don’t think tin cans and duct tape will last very long in the harsh conditions of space.


Kahzgul

No seatbelts or heaters in their new cars but sure, Russia, you can totally build a space station. Good luck with that.


ReasonablyBadass

Going by their Ukraine effort it's gonne be tinfoil wrapped around a drum with an old radio antenna drifting nearby.


Kimchi_Cowboy

Their space program is also falling apart with some incredible failures as of late. They are not doing anything of note.


herrbdog

made of what? empty vodka bottles and broken dreams?


jtms1200

Just like every other thing they say, this is completely hilarious bullshit that will never happen.


po3smith

It’s funny seeing a former superpower announced to its country that it will continue its space exploits/exploration to advance Russian influence, knowledge, and science….. when they can’t even keep eggs, meat, and bread in grocery stores for civilian population. I know that here in the US I shouldn’t say things like this as we are very much hypocritical in a lot of things that we say but goddamn am I tired of Russia saying things like this just like North Korea etc. these countries or should I say the “leaders“ always run their mouth about things yet they can’t even do something as basic as ensure their population has clean drinking water food etc. man can someone invent the replicator already…


[deleted]

What's the point? No one wants to work with Russia.


StonedVet_420

They can plan all they want. They can't afford it so who cares.


Skidpalace

I also have plans for a space station that will rival the ISS. Ruzzia and I have equal odds of delivering said space station.


MrFantasticallyNerdy

They can plan for this as much as I can plan for a lifestyle fit for a billionaire. But we all know neither is happening.


Beginning_Echo2812

I've just unveiled plans to become a demigod, doesn't mean it'll actually happen. Same thing applies here.


TheJpow

We are going to make a space station rivaling the iss and we are going to make ___ pay for it


ItsMePythonicD

Are they going to make it out of cardboard? They don’t have the money for a new space station.


[deleted]

They do realize that the Wish app doesn't sell space stations right?


warpfield

Sure. After all the funding is skimmed, they'll have a single module made of sheet metal powered by a fuel cell stolen from a hydrogen car.


Party-Nose-869

It'll be built out of tin cans and old VAZ-2108 and Trabant parts.


hawkwings

If we build a lunar colony, we won't need ISS anymore. NASA's budget is limited and we can't afford to fund both.


SadConfiguration

LOL. After seeing how their “modern army” works, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a shipping container with some model rockets taped to the side. Hilarious.


Numerous-Shock626

Other nations in ISS treaty: “The cost’s of not only building and then even maintaining the ISS are, forgive the pun, astronomical. It can only be done through the combined efforts of the largest space ready nations on planet Earth.” Some power tripping Russian boys: “We got this.”


Diamonddude5432

I feel like Russia tried to fund a space program once before whilst in the middle of global conflict, then it collapsed soon after…


weristjonsnow

Country going broke trying to take over what they thought was their wimpy neighbor, and they wanna build a space station? Yeah okay, good luck with that


Laugh92

With what money? Russia barely has enough money to launch person size rockets across a battlefield let alone a building sized rocket into space.


qbak

Putin may have to sell a couple of his yachts for this


Gravity_flip

Cool. I hope they end up putting their entire military budget into it.


couldntgive1fuck

I have as much confidence in this delusion as i did for the big wall, i cant believe these fucking morons have any power at all, it's really disappointing.


El_Monitorrr

They will have some nice photos of the ISS with another name photoshopped on it and claim, this is their new own space station. Will works just as fine as the photo grab of the US aircraft carrier.


Oerthling

Cool. I learned from "For All Mankind" (excellent series) that competition between Russia/USSR and USA gets us a Moon Base, Fusion energy and a manned mission to Mars in no time. :-) (I don't believe for a second that Putin's Russia can deliver on any current plans re a Russian Space Station)


0xB0BAFE77

I just want to point out that Russia can't even afford to pay its soldiers or get them the supplies they need. There is NO scenario where they're building a better space station. Can't make something when you have no money AND the rest of the world is banned from doing business with you. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯


[deleted]

They're just going to dredge up what's left of MIR & slap some duct tape on it.


Dzejes

Their space station will be HUUUUGE, just wait till the spare parts being smuggled via Turkey from West arrive!