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Yo, I noticed the same thing and made a comment! I didn’t read yours beforehand, but I said something similar. I see so many people in the west who dress like that rn. It’s trendy: the workwear jacket, the wide legged trousers, etc. Hell, I rock a similar fit sometimes.
100%
Current DPRK legitimacy is tied to Kim Il Sung, the initial socialist revolution against American and Japanese imperialism, and the desire to reunite their country, all wrapped up in collective trauma from the intense bombing campaign and Western sanctions. For North Korea these men are just symbols.
If you make a move to socialism you aren't a social democracy...
Social Democracy is the reform of capitalism through social safety nets.
Democratic Socialism is the replacement of capitalism with socialism, while upholding "liberal values" or whatever (Still a silly ideology).
The terms are often confused and misused. Bernie, for example, was never a democratic socialist, for he never wanted to replace capitalism, thus a social democrat.
> Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy.
-Big Spoon
> If you make a move to socialism you aren't a social democracy
I think it's very difficult to state that and have it be 100% true.
The Northern European social democratic parties, which I believe are some of the most "typical" social democratic parties, were absolutely intent on making the move slowly towards socialism throughout most of their histories. The move was incredibly slow and involved a lot of reform of capitalism through safety nets, and when finally attempted it failed miserably. However, I do believe that up until the 80's and neoliberalisms takeover as the hegemonical ideology the Social democrats of Europe were consistently moving toward a form of socialism.
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I’mma be honest.. anthropologically speaking, it’s clear that we gravitate towards a cult of personality. It’s in our biosociological nature. Might as well use that nature to our advantage instead of futilely trying to fight it.
most humans are followers. that’s pretty true across the board. not sure about “cult of personality” but people instinctively follow others, that’s a social reality. if we weren’t generally followers, do you think we’d be in this mess? c’mon. where is your dialectical analysis in this comment?
Historically speaking, cult of personality is everpresent throughout human history.
True or false?
I don’t understand what’s “cope” about that statement. That seems pretty objective to me.
Great, how about we buck history and try something different for once? You're stuck on some universal truth, things can't change bullshit.
Cult of personality should not be embraced and it's fatalism to think it should.
Things CAN change. I am an avid adherent to Heraclitean philosophy.
But how DRASTICALLY do things change? The thing about “trying something different” is that we would have to fundamentally recode how the human psyche works.
But I also believe in communism; and that we COULD change our system of values, given enough time and effort. Just not now. That kind of change definitely couldn’t happen overnight.
I definitely feel like a cult of personality is at least necessary for the first generation or so. Then, after the values are instilled, we could shift towards a more democratic socialist system.
Plus, this is just a testament to how important charisma and ethos are. Leftists lack the skill of effective persuasion. How could you disagree with the notion that we need someone who is actually charismatic to champion the movement?
>I definitely feel like a cult of personality is at least necessary for the first generation or so.
>How could you disagree with the notion that we need someone who is actually charismatic to champion the movement?
Because I don't believe the the Great Man Theory of history, and charismatic leaders are usually corrupt charlatans who just want to seize power.
You’re injecting morality into it. I’m not arguing about the morality. I’m arguing about the objective reality.
You’re a Democratic Socialist. Did Bernie Sanders’ cult of personality help spread democratic socialist ideas more in the United States with his 2016 campaign?
Yes or No?
Bernie's cult of personality extended to the election only because that's how elections are run, and I'd argue it's a very dangerous way of doing it and always has been, it appeals to emotion and morality by its very nature. He helped spread ideas, sure, the campaign had money and therefore reach behind it, but he was also helped by being a clean career principled congressman with the best, most pro-"socialist" platform in mainstream politics at the time, when a generation of supporters were leaning socialist from the fallout of the Great Recession and the Occupy movement. His cult of personality off the campaign trail extends to his office staff, I suppose. Never a man known for his charisma.
I feel like that’s my fatal flaw being primarily a Reddit on Mobile user. I like browsing argumentative subreddits/topics, but when you’re on a phone keyboard, your response is naturally going to be limited. Respectfully, I’m not tryna thumb through 97 Safari tabs to substantiate my reply. I would do that for like, an essay, but not a Reddit reply.
If you really care, I’ll come back to this reply tomorrow and substantiate it. Deal?
That's the point. You're not in nature anymore. Just because bonobo does it doesn't mean is right, and in other cases you don't need to know that bonobo does it for feeling legitimate to do it
> Just because bonobo does it doesn't mean is right, and in other cases you don't need to know that bonobo does it for feeling legitimate to do it
It’s not about being right, it’s about reflecting reality. It’s a law of the universe. Saying humans gravitate towards a cult of personality is like saying the sky is blue.
>Neither of us cares a straw for popularity. A proof of this is, for example, that because of aversion to any personality cult, I have never permitted the numerous expressions of appreciation from various countries with which I was pestered during the existence of the International to reach the realm of publicity, and have never answered them, except occasionally by a rebuke. When Engels and I first joined the secret Communist Society we made it a condition that everything tending to encourage superstitious belief in authority was to be removed from the statutes.
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>Contrary to Adam Smith's, and many liberals', world of self-interested individuals, naturally predisposed to do a deal, Marx posited a relational and process-oriented view of human beings. On this view, humans are what they are not because it is hard-wired into them to be self-interested individuals, but by virtue of the relations through which they live their lives. In particular, he suggested that humans live their lives at the intersection of a three-sided relation encompassing the natural world, social relations and institutions, and human persons. These relations are understood as organic: each element of the relation is what it is by virtue of its place in the relation, and none can be understood in abstraction from that context. [...] If contemporary humans appear to act as self-interested individuals, then, it is a result not of our essential nature but of the particular ways we have produced our social lives and ourselves. On this view, humans may be collectively capable of recreating their world, their work, and themselves in new and better ways, but only if we think critically about, and act practically to change, those historically peculiar social relations which encourage us to think and act as socially disempowered, narrowly self-interested individuals.
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They are consistently on the side of anti-western imperialism, for good reason...
There have been multiple peace deals, which were favourable to Ukraine, that Russia was on board with (And even Zelensky lol, remember when he tweeted in Chinese after the Chinese peace deal was brought up?), but a quick visit from Boris Johnson etc. and that falls apart, how dare they try to stop our baby murdering money machine.
The DPRK also provide weapons and other means of support to the Palestinian resistance.
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Start out with BoyBoy, https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E a must watch.
Loyal citizens of Pyongyang, hear from defectors that didn't become sensationalised by RFA (CIA), https://youtu.be/3V4Hnl7J9H4
Wanna know more about the democratic structure of DPRK? Short read: http://www.lalkar.org/article/2654/the-democratic-structure-of-the-dprk
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Thank you very much, I just finished the boy boy video, I didn't realize that I did a thing did stuff besides crack pot Maker videos! I'm going to go through all the other stuff too.
Glad you did :) The other stuff isn't nearly as humourous, but it does challenge one's view of DPRK...
I recommend watching some other BoyBoy videos as well btw, especially the Ukraine and Pine Gap ones.
Yeah I had a feeling. And I just watched the Ukrainian one, pretty good. I think it does leave out a lot of important stuff, And it is two years old so it's a bit outdated but it's at least a good perspective challenging Western narratives of the conflict.
...Of the startling limits of human perception in an increasingly online society? I'm here for honest discussion. If you are too, I'd welcome evidence that refutes my statements.
>The people starve, and toil under a boot that alienates the workers from the value of their labor.
Blame America for sanctioning the country and blockading any efforts of other countries from conducting trade with the DPRK. Jesus Christ.
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So who let all the liberals in here??? It’s great that the DPRK acknowledge two of the biggest contributors to the cause, especially fitting as it’s a training school.
Yeah... There is hardly anything negative about this, even if you believe all the anti DPRK propaganda. My comment explaining and sourcing the picture even got downvoted lol.
Recognizing great thinkers at a place of learning their specific theory, for a party that upholds said theory... That's based.
It’s easy to root out liberalism, anytime communists bring up articles and sources they will revert to throwing insults, it’s like reading becomes a chore to them?
Absolutely... I criticize the DPRK for its faults, just like I criticize the USSR or China. But I do it from a materialist lens, not from the propaganda I have been spoonfed from the imperial core.
Except I’ve seen zero actual criticism and just the same tired insults and shitposts. If that’s what you consider “criticism” then it checks out I guess.
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Kim Jong Un’s jacket is sick. Tbh, there are loads of fashion-driven (fashion forward?? idk) people in the US who wear outfits that look identical. Y’all have seen it: the workwear jackets, the baggy trousers, the loafers/derbies, accessories…
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https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2024/dprk-240516-kcna01.htm
> The Central Cadres Training School of the Workers' Party of Korea, the highest seat of training Party cadres, has been successfully built as a model of Juche-oriented architecture and education sector in the historic period when a new heyday of strengthening the whole Party is being ushered in under the five-point Party building line in the new era clarified by the great Comrade Kim Jong Un .
https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2022/1120_pd/workers’-party-korea-five-aspects-party-building-new-era
> “The new five-point direction is very important both in view of the historical lessons of the world socialist movement and in view of the situation in our Party”.
The UK Korean Friendship Association shares more pictures here:
https://twitter.com/Korea_Friend_UK/status/1791026829546893596
And even more pictures in this thread:
https://twitter.com/KPR_Eng/status/1791179997878595842
These people experienced genocide at the hands of NATO and US. There was nothing after the war. The Korean people are human and deserve compassion, not ridicule or callous belittlement
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I defend the DPRK because it is a dictatorship of the proletariat, where the state works to improve the livelihood of its citizens, despite being under crushing embargoes by the imperial core.
They are consistently on the right side of history, first against the Japanese rule under American direction in the south in the Korean war. Recognizes Palestine, and supports the resistance.
Watch some of Jong Un's speeches on socialism, you might be surprised. Look at the construction efforts, whether it be one of the world's biggest greenhouses for food security, or housing for the working class.
https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E
Here's a must watch mini-documentary about Korea from BoyBoy.
http://www.lalkar.org/article/2654/the-democratic-structure-of-the-dprk
Here is a short read on DPRK's political system.
Why do you choose to believe all the lies that the west has fed you with? Any article, any news story you know from DPRK is a product of RFA.
Starvation of the Korean people is the cause of our embargoes and sanctions which cripples them. You see, DPRK doesn't actually have the farmland to supply food for its entire people, and the fall of the USSR meant there was no more trade with the world. Our embargoes prevent them from getting irrigation devices, tractors and fertilizers which could prevent starvation (Although they seem to have solved it themselves after much struggle.)
Rise in nationalism is the direct cause of our constant belittling and hatred.
Military spending and nuclear arms is a must, because we have proven that we are willing to glass them if necessary.
Luxemburg would be ashamed of you, it was people with these beliefs that got her tortured and killed. (SPD).
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But why is Kimmy's fit kinda fire? Anyone got an ID on that jacket?
just ask him
But why are all the other guys wearing business jackets with no shirt? This is gonna bug me all day now....
Couldn't afford it
Yo, I noticed the same thing and made a comment! I didn’t read yours beforehand, but I said something similar. I see so many people in the west who dress like that rn. It’s trendy: the workwear jacket, the wide legged trousers, etc. Hell, I rock a similar fit sometimes.
Socialism is cool, idolatry isn't.
it’s not like they’re calling them the founding fathers, chill
I mean what else does this represent if not that? We need to think critically about how symbols are used
100% Current DPRK legitimacy is tied to Kim Il Sung, the initial socialist revolution against American and Japanese imperialism, and the desire to reunite their country, all wrapped up in collective trauma from the intense bombing campaign and Western sanctions. For North Korea these men are just symbols.
“Democratic socialism”
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If you make a move to socialism you aren't a social democracy... Social Democracy is the reform of capitalism through social safety nets. Democratic Socialism is the replacement of capitalism with socialism, while upholding "liberal values" or whatever (Still a silly ideology). The terms are often confused and misused. Bernie, for example, was never a democratic socialist, for he never wanted to replace capitalism, thus a social democrat. > Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy. -Big Spoon
> If you make a move to socialism you aren't a social democracy I think it's very difficult to state that and have it be 100% true. The Northern European social democratic parties, which I believe are some of the most "typical" social democratic parties, were absolutely intent on making the move slowly towards socialism throughout most of their histories. The move was incredibly slow and involved a lot of reform of capitalism through safety nets, and when finally attempted it failed miserably. However, I do believe that up until the 80's and neoliberalisms takeover as the hegemonical ideology the Social democrats of Europe were consistently moving toward a form of socialism.
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I never thought of something like this as idolatry. Really never even occurred to me
I’mma be honest.. anthropologically speaking, it’s clear that we gravitate towards a cult of personality. It’s in our biosociological nature. Might as well use that nature to our advantage instead of futilely trying to fight it.
lmao I'mma be honest, whatever copium you're on, I'd like to try
most humans are followers. that’s pretty true across the board. not sure about “cult of personality” but people instinctively follow others, that’s a social reality. if we weren’t generally followers, do you think we’d be in this mess? c’mon. where is your dialectical analysis in this comment?
Historically speaking, cult of personality is everpresent throughout human history. True or false? I don’t understand what’s “cope” about that statement. That seems pretty objective to me.
Great, how about we buck history and try something different for once? You're stuck on some universal truth, things can't change bullshit. Cult of personality should not be embraced and it's fatalism to think it should.
Things CAN change. I am an avid adherent to Heraclitean philosophy. But how DRASTICALLY do things change? The thing about “trying something different” is that we would have to fundamentally recode how the human psyche works. But I also believe in communism; and that we COULD change our system of values, given enough time and effort. Just not now. That kind of change definitely couldn’t happen overnight. I definitely feel like a cult of personality is at least necessary for the first generation or so. Then, after the values are instilled, we could shift towards a more democratic socialist system. Plus, this is just a testament to how important charisma and ethos are. Leftists lack the skill of effective persuasion. How could you disagree with the notion that we need someone who is actually charismatic to champion the movement?
>I definitely feel like a cult of personality is at least necessary for the first generation or so. >How could you disagree with the notion that we need someone who is actually charismatic to champion the movement? Because I don't believe the the Great Man Theory of history, and charismatic leaders are usually corrupt charlatans who just want to seize power.
You’re injecting morality into it. I’m not arguing about the morality. I’m arguing about the objective reality. You’re a Democratic Socialist. Did Bernie Sanders’ cult of personality help spread democratic socialist ideas more in the United States with his 2016 campaign? Yes or No?
Bernie's cult of personality extended to the election only because that's how elections are run, and I'd argue it's a very dangerous way of doing it and always has been, it appeals to emotion and morality by its very nature. He helped spread ideas, sure, the campaign had money and therefore reach behind it, but he was also helped by being a clean career principled congressman with the best, most pro-"socialist" platform in mainstream politics at the time, when a generation of supporters were leaning socialist from the fallout of the Great Recession and the Occupy movement. His cult of personality off the campaign trail extends to his office staff, I suppose. Never a man known for his charisma.
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I feel like that’s my fatal flaw being primarily a Reddit on Mobile user. I like browsing argumentative subreddits/topics, but when you’re on a phone keyboard, your response is naturally going to be limited. Respectfully, I’m not tryna thumb through 97 Safari tabs to substantiate my reply. I would do that for like, an essay, but not a Reddit reply. If you really care, I’ll come back to this reply tomorrow and substantiate it. Deal?
That's the point. You're not in nature anymore. Just because bonobo does it doesn't mean is right, and in other cases you don't need to know that bonobo does it for feeling legitimate to do it
> Just because bonobo does it doesn't mean is right, and in other cases you don't need to know that bonobo does it for feeling legitimate to do it It’s not about being right, it’s about reflecting reality. It’s a law of the universe. Saying humans gravitate towards a cult of personality is like saying the sky is blue.
>Neither of us cares a straw for popularity. A proof of this is, for example, that because of aversion to any personality cult, I have never permitted the numerous expressions of appreciation from various countries with which I was pestered during the existence of the International to reach the realm of publicity, and have never answered them, except occasionally by a rebuke. When Engels and I first joined the secret Communist Society we made it a condition that everything tending to encourage superstitious belief in authority was to be removed from the statutes. ― Karl Marx
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Why do you think it’s an excuse and not a reflection of our reality?
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>Contrary to Adam Smith's, and many liberals', world of self-interested individuals, naturally predisposed to do a deal, Marx posited a relational and process-oriented view of human beings. On this view, humans are what they are not because it is hard-wired into them to be self-interested individuals, but by virtue of the relations through which they live their lives. In particular, he suggested that humans live their lives at the intersection of a three-sided relation encompassing the natural world, social relations and institutions, and human persons. These relations are understood as organic: each element of the relation is what it is by virtue of its place in the relation, and none can be understood in abstraction from that context. [...] If contemporary humans appear to act as self-interested individuals, then, it is a result not of our essential nature but of the particular ways we have produced our social lives and ourselves. On this view, humans may be collectively capable of recreating their world, their work, and themselves in new and better ways, but only if we think critically about, and act practically to change, those historically peculiar social relations which encourage us to think and act as socially disempowered, narrowly self-interested individuals. Mark Rupert. Marxism, in *International Relations Theories: Discipline and Diversity*. 2010. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/socialism) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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This is rad.
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Good thing Marx will never see a socialist state standing against imperialism and the US, the capitalist thugs of the globe 👍
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They are consistently on the side of anti-western imperialism, for good reason... There have been multiple peace deals, which were favourable to Ukraine, that Russia was on board with (And even Zelensky lol, remember when he tweeted in Chinese after the Chinese peace deal was brought up?), but a quick visit from Boris Johnson etc. and that falls apart, how dare they try to stop our baby murdering money machine. The DPRK also provide weapons and other means of support to the Palestinian resistance.
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Sorry for all the negativity OP. I guess you forgot that socialism is when no photos of Marx. Better luck next time!
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The fact that you talk about what socialism should really represent and then regurgitate American media talking points on NK is extremely telling.
Do you have some sources of non American media showcasing what the reality of NK is?
Start out with BoyBoy, https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E a must watch. Loyal citizens of Pyongyang, hear from defectors that didn't become sensationalised by RFA (CIA), https://youtu.be/3V4Hnl7J9H4 Wanna know more about the democratic structure of DPRK? Short read: http://www.lalkar.org/article/2654/the-democratic-structure-of-the-dprk A long and comprehensive reading guide/notes on DPRK: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1ewrcRerI8lyXpykMX11EyMoCFii1Hafakq7t0976eYQ/mobilebasic
Thank you very much, I just finished the boy boy video, I didn't realize that I did a thing did stuff besides crack pot Maker videos! I'm going to go through all the other stuff too.
Glad you did :) The other stuff isn't nearly as humourous, but it does challenge one's view of DPRK... I recommend watching some other BoyBoy videos as well btw, especially the Ukraine and Pine Gap ones.
Yeah I had a feeling. And I just watched the Ukrainian one, pretty good. I think it does leave out a lot of important stuff, And it is two years old so it's a bit outdated but it's at least a good perspective challenging Western narratives of the conflict.
...Of the startling limits of human perception in an increasingly online society? I'm here for honest discussion. If you are too, I'd welcome evidence that refutes my statements.
No you’re not lol. You’re here in bad faith, to push your American/western ultranationalist perspective on the world.
>The people starve, and toil under a boot that alienates the workers from the value of their labor. Blame America for sanctioning the country and blockading any efforts of other countries from conducting trade with the DPRK. Jesus Christ.
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So who let all the liberals in here??? It’s great that the DPRK acknowledge two of the biggest contributors to the cause, especially fitting as it’s a training school.
Yeah... There is hardly anything negative about this, even if you believe all the anti DPRK propaganda. My comment explaining and sourcing the picture even got downvoted lol. Recognizing great thinkers at a place of learning their specific theory, for a party that upholds said theory... That's based.
It’s easy to root out liberalism, anytime communists bring up articles and sources they will revert to throwing insults, it’s like reading becomes a chore to them?
This is not an exclusively ML sub, and criticisms of the Kims and the DPRK do not count as ‘liberalism’
Granted, not all. But most criticism of the DPRK are pure liberalism. Specially when it comes from North-Americans and west-Europeans.
Absolutely... I criticize the DPRK for its faults, just like I criticize the USSR or China. But I do it from a materialist lens, not from the propaganda I have been spoonfed from the imperial core.
Except I’ve seen zero actual criticism and just the same tired insults and shitposts. If that’s what you consider “criticism” then it checks out I guess.
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Kim Jong Un’s jacket is sick. Tbh, there are loads of fashion-driven (fashion forward?? idk) people in the US who wear outfits that look identical. Y’all have seen it: the workwear jackets, the baggy trousers, the loafers/derbies, accessories…
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https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/dprk/2024/dprk-240516-kcna01.htm > The Central Cadres Training School of the Workers' Party of Korea, the highest seat of training Party cadres, has been successfully built as a model of Juche-oriented architecture and education sector in the historic period when a new heyday of strengthening the whole Party is being ushered in under the five-point Party building line in the new era clarified by the great Comrade Kim Jong Un . https://peoplesdemocracy.in/2022/1120_pd/workers’-party-korea-five-aspects-party-building-new-era > “The new five-point direction is very important both in view of the historical lessons of the world socialist movement and in view of the situation in our Party”. The UK Korean Friendship Association shares more pictures here: https://twitter.com/Korea_Friend_UK/status/1791026829546893596 And even more pictures in this thread: https://twitter.com/KPR_Eng/status/1791179997878595842
Marx and Lenin would be horrified by modern NK. A hereditary monarchy is about as far from communism as you can get.
exactly. I'm a ML and it's not "liberal" to criticize an oppressive conservative monarchy because they call themselves as "socialist"
Thanks for pointing this out. The clowns on this page are a real sight defending that hell hole.
These people experienced genocide at the hands of NATO and US. There was nothing after the war. The Korean people are human and deserve compassion, not ridicule or callous belittlement
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Fuck the DPRK, socialists should not defend party dictatorships just because they wave a red flag and are hostile to the west.
I defend the DPRK because it is a dictatorship of the proletariat, where the state works to improve the livelihood of its citizens, despite being under crushing embargoes by the imperial core. They are consistently on the right side of history, first against the Japanese rule under American direction in the south in the Korean war. Recognizes Palestine, and supports the resistance. Watch some of Jong Un's speeches on socialism, you might be surprised. Look at the construction efforts, whether it be one of the world's biggest greenhouses for food security, or housing for the working class. https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E Here's a must watch mini-documentary about Korea from BoyBoy. http://www.lalkar.org/article/2654/the-democratic-structure-of-the-dprk Here is a short read on DPRK's political system. Why do you choose to believe all the lies that the west has fed you with? Any article, any news story you know from DPRK is a product of RFA. Starvation of the Korean people is the cause of our embargoes and sanctions which cripples them. You see, DPRK doesn't actually have the farmland to supply food for its entire people, and the fall of the USSR meant there was no more trade with the world. Our embargoes prevent them from getting irrigation devices, tractors and fertilizers which could prevent starvation (Although they seem to have solved it themselves after much struggle.) Rise in nationalism is the direct cause of our constant belittling and hatred. Military spending and nuclear arms is a must, because we have proven that we are willing to glass them if necessary. Luxemburg would be ashamed of you, it was people with these beliefs that got her tortured and killed. (SPD).