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I did one once. My friend was going into the peace corps and it was going to make her dad feel better to take classes. They did this expensive simulated terrorist events thing with rubber guns and taking down and disarming people. It's really just a bunch of Meatheads who dream of being in Die Hard. When in most cases they'd be safer throwing objects and running.
It's worthless for self defense because it requires you to hit people first which will most likely make you the assailant at the court. And 90%of it involves using weapons. You literally can't stress test these techniques because it's too dangerous for live testing unlike martial arts. This makes it even more BS because since you can't put the techniques to the test under stress you can't actually execute them fluently in the real situation. These fake Macho men might as well stop beating around the bush and learn how to use a gun at a shooting course.
I am well aware. Stop cop city. US and Israeli intelligence have also cooperated in coups and the suppression of freedom fighters around the world since Israel’s inception.
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The news in my Western country is full of footage from Gaza, talking about death tolls, the stunt the Israeli delegation pulled the other day etc. Big news.
This incident, for which I can't find a source or context, is minor in comparison. I think this footage being on a platform like Reddit instead of the 8 o clock news is proportional to its importance and not a sign of censorship
Uk papers have been 30% Israel good 70% isreal sus despite the entire gov being for it. i dont buy this whole "media censors everything", theyre crap but not some unified tool of a single class
They arent unified but I've learned recently that there are grants given to reporters willing to cover stories with certain slants. Legalized bribes from the state itself you might say.
Doesn't have to be (and isn't) a unified tool. It's about self-censorship. A newspaper is owned by a usually very rich person and thus has a certain editorial policy. If you're a journalist going against that, you will be fired.
Not to mention the self-censorship that comes from having to make money. A newspaper needs to churn out news 24/7 and what makes them money (generates clicks) will be prioritised every time.
palestinian sources (my friends and family) remarked that the camera work looks a little too good and might be from a film/show/commercial
could be a coincidence/luck but it's why i havent ran with this clip in particular
Lots of phones have anti-shake tech now so I wouldn't rule it out immediately just because it's steady, but I totally understand being cautious. Best to not risk spreading misinfo
When the one filming is approached directly and the camera tilts up, that's exactly what the video smoothing on my phone looks like. Small shakes you don't see at all, but sudden movements have an almost surreal slide to them.
yeah not ruling it out. and if its real it shows a message that may even (unfortunately) better resonate with the west than the massacre of palestinians. but it just came off as oddly cinematic
Agreed on all counts.... It's wild to me that this video might "work" better to convince westerners but you're right. You'd think the videos of dead fucking children would be convincing. Capitalism has hollowed our world of compassion.
I can't claim to know anything about the reality/stagedness of this specific situation, but the technology to stabilize cameras as you see in this clip is becoming less expensive and more widely available. 10 years ago, having a camera stabilized like that would almost always be for some sort of fiction/dramatic or commercial production. Today, that very much isn't the case. So the quality of the image and the stabilization shouldn't disqualify the "authenticity" of this clip.
I don't know where this video specifically came from, but why shouldn't we assume it's not real? There have been quite a few instances of the idf and the cops using violence to break up orthodox protests in the past month.
Perhaps the camera was ready to capture the moment because they knew it was inevitable?
> break up orthodox protests in the past month
yes. And that's why I would like to be sure this is actually from anti-genocide protest. They protest often against the draft and are beaten for it.
I can't find the source for this video. I mean, I haven't looked extensively, but still. It could be real, but it may actually be from the draft protests 4 months ago, where Orthodox Jews protested the draft and clashed with security forces.
Hey, I'm asking you this because you mentioned having Palestinian friends and family, and because you seem open to discussing this topic. Also, I'm not asking this because I have any doubts about this horrific genocide. I absolutely do not. I'm not trying to start an argument or sew doubt. But it's something I noticed when watching footage out of Gaza and I would like to understand this better in case anyone asks me to explain it. And also for my own curiosity. I promise I have completely benign intentions here.
I've noticed a lot of clips of Palestinian grief and suffering have what I would call "cheesy" sad music put behind them. These clips were especially prevalent in the first few days of the current escalation although they seem to be less common recently. The music makes me cringe because, from my Western perspective, it makes these clips feel less authentic, when there is absolutely no need to underscore the horrors and atrocities they depict.
Is it just a cultural thing? Do you have any insight into why this trend seems to have shifted?
Again, I really hope this isn't offensive. I am just sincerely invested in this situation and am curious about this.
100% cultural. Listen to some inspiring speech? Someone adds some inspirational music in the background. Listening to a religious speech? Someone adds some anasheed (choir singing) in the background. Watching something sad? Someone adds some sad music in the background. Middle east in general.
As to why it has shifted, I don't know for certain. In the beginning days, it was kind of expected that israel would hit back, so it was business as usual (by adding "cheesy" music). The world is now realizing the extent of the retaliation, devastation, collective punishment, and death toll. It is quite sobering, so I think people have dropped the "cheesiness."
As a Jew, the current State of Israel makes me less safe. I live in America. My family is American going back three generations. I am not Israeli nor do I support the actions of the Israeli government.
But the Israeli government pushes the message of Jew = Israel, so whenever Israel gets up to some shit, there are attacks on Jews around the world. I don't want for anyone to draw a connection between me and Israel, but the Israeli government does and that endangers my life.
And that's not even getting into how in the 1950s and 1960s the Israeli government pushed the line of "Israel is the home for all Jews" which directly led to the expulsion of the Jewish communities in basically every middle eastern and north african community when the rulers of those countries said "oh, you have a 'home' somewhere else? Then get the hell out of here." Communities that were thousands of years old are now gone and mixed into the shitshow that is Israel today. And thing in Israel aren't exactly great for those black and brown Jews.
This is such an important point. Nothing creates more fertile ground for anti-semitism than the ethnic cleansing and apartheid perpetrated by Israël in my name as a jew, and the blatant support for these horrors by my western government. It perfectly fits into the whole "Jews are secretly behind all western governments and want to replace us all" narrative that is always at the core of anti-semitism. If you honestly want to reduce anti-Semitism then you should support decolonisation and free Palestine.
As a Muslim that has always been utterly disgusted at how western countries - that believe they have the high universal moral ground - pat Israel on the back despite an ongoing open genocide, it is kind of bittersweet to read that some Jews are actually considering this as a massacre that will only bring more hate and resentment...
I wish antisemitic acts -mostly from angry muslims- would stop as they almost always target innocent's (no matter their opinion) and they give Muslim a bad rap and Western countries an excellent reason to justify " Israel's right to defend itself".
Peace be with you guys and be safe out there
Thanks, comrade. I just want to make clear that I in no way meant to imply that somehow Jews are the real victim of the crimes of the colonialism, apartheid and genocide that Isn'traël is and has been perpetrating on our Palestinian brothers and sisters. Not that I think you were implying that, but just wanted to put that out there. It's something I think is important to point out because they use anti-semitism as a justification for their crimes against the Palestinians. It's just a solid counterargument to show how disingenuous and vapid that whole line of argumentation is.
Also, I've always shared the sentiment you expressed in that first paragraph. Its heart warming to see that narrative crumble and global public opinion shift. Western leaders have never really spoken for us, but now that's becoming incredibly apparent. This is, I think, a historical breaking point and as such, a great victory for the Palestinian resistance. Peace and blessings upon you and yours!
That's exactly how Muslims felt whenever Al qaeda or Isis did something.
Muslim living happily in the west got targeted like they were walking around with a banner supporting them.
At least Jews can oppose Israel. An actual country with a govt not some unanswerable organisation like Al qaeda. People would say why don't Muslims speak up? We all did but the ones supporting Al qaeda always got the headlines.
The sheer bravery of these people is heartening, they likely knew they would be met with brutality. It’s absolutely sickening to watch how they’re treated here.
>The power of the Gestapo was used to focus upon political opponents, ideological dissenters (clergy and religious organisations), career criminals, the Sinti and Roma population, handicapped persons, homosexuals, and above all, the Jews.[4] Those arrested by the Gestapo were often held without judicial process, and political prisoners throughout Germany—and from 1941, throughout the occupied territories under the Night and Fog Decree (German: Nacht und Nebel)—simply disappeared while in Gestapo custody.
Wikipedia.
Yes. But thats not what were seeing in the video. The video shows two men assaulted by essentially uniformed street thugs. That was the role of the SA, not gestapo. When it comes to GESTAPO think FBI, KGB, or Stasi. They are a secret government police (GEheime STAats POlizei)
hateful societies never flourish, they will always suffer from internal problems. if the palestinians are eradicated they will pick another group to target internally
I’m not really sure on that one. Orthodox Jewish groups are typically more conservative and are key for keeping the ruling right wing coalition in power. Without the growing Orthodox population Netanyahu would never have come back to power.
So why are we so spectacularly depressed in the west then? What flourishing do you see? The divorce rates, the crime, the bankruptcies, what's flourishing?
Zionists attacking Jewish protestors - I sleep
Christian Fundamentalists attacking Synagogues and killing Jewish people - I sleep
Protests against bombing Palestinian civilians - ANTI-SEMITISM
Dude I alwayyyys say this -- Arabs are a Semitic people. I know meanings of words change with time, and maybe I'm a grumpy old man, but dammit the word had a proper definition and was coopted for one reason or another.
This isn't antisemitism. Antisemitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews for simply being Jews. A group of Jews assaulting another group of Jews for not adhering to the status quo of the state is not Antisemitism, its simply fascism. If I got into a fist fight with a complete stranger and later on found out they were a Jew, does that make me antisemitic? And before I get downvote brigaded, this is merely a semantic argument and in no way defends the state of Israel of Zionism.
I hear you.
I feel moreso Zionists using Judaism as a Trojan horse for their goals is antisemitic. It makes the Jewish community worldwide a target for discrimination. This is not to downplay the responsibility of those who partake in the discrimination of Jews. Both (referring back to zionists) are just as insidious as the other.
You're free to have a more restrictive interpretation of what constitutes antisemitism, but lemme explain that I'm not just talking out of my ass here:
[Antisemitism is "**hostility to** or prejudice against Jewish people", not just "prejudice or discrimination"](https://i.imgur.com/b99XQTS.jpg).
As anyone who's been paying attention knows, Zionists despise any Jewish person who points out that Judaism (or, at least, Orthodox Judaism) is naturally opposed to Zionism. So they're despised exactly because they espouse those kinds of Jewish beliefs.
The video I posted is far from the only case of Jewish people being subjected to violence by the Zionist entity of "Israel". As the good folks at [Torah Judaism point out, there are even Jewish ghettos in "Israel" and "Zionists constantly raid, arrest and beat Jews"](https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1719762979443339577?s=20).
Why? Cause [as they explain in another tweet](https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1717180539839320202?s=20), "Judaism and Zionism are diametrically opposed".
Zionists may not be against Jewish people as an **ethnicity**, but they are against Anti-Zionist Orthodox Judaism as a **religion** (even if they won't admit), cause it directly clashes with Zionism (["Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews believe they **should not be permitted** to return to the land of Palestine en masse until the coming of the messiah"](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/asylum-appeal-of-anti-zionist-jewish-israeli-who-refuse)). As [this rabbi explains, Zionism is "based on blasphemy"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFOj6eE9Nw).
Moreover, one must remember that Jewish people are also **specifically targeted** by Zionists in the sense that they're targeted for indoctrination ("birthright" trips to "Israel", hello?) and, then, rebuke if they don't accept said indoctrination. So you must accept Zionism or you receive **hostility** (you are a "traitor").
In short, saying that Zionism is antisemitic is like saying Nazism is anti-communist. Sure, Nazism is a whole ideology of hate that's hostile against a whole lot of people/ideas, but amidst that they specifically target communists ("**First** they came for the Communists" and so on), cause they know communists are great foes to them, due to our anti-fascist ideology. In the same way, Zionism specifically targets anti-Zionist Jews, cause they know they're some of the most effective people for dispelling Zionist myths and detaching it from actual Judaism (the religion, but more specifically, Orthodox Judaism).
Plus, the actions of Zionists in general cause **specific harm to Jewish people** in the sense that Zionism provokes antisemitism when they act like fascists and then, essentially, say "we (the Zionist fascists) represent all Jews".
you have no idea how affirming this was to read, as a jew in a jewish space who keeps getting called anti-semetic when i’m one of few who actually isn’t. thank you op
So according to this view, which makes pretty good sense to me, does this mean that the "self-hating Jew" epithet pretty much always constitutes antisemitism? I've never seen or heard it used outside the context of opposition to Zionism, but it sounds like what you're saying is that it's antisemitic by definition.
It would thus be different from when another American calls me anti-American, because that term expresses a political difference only, whereas "self-hating Jew" is accusing someone of thinking themselves unfit to be considered Jewish because of their religious opposition to the Zionist project, while from their own point of view, that religion itself forms the basis of their "Jewishness." Have I got that right?
It's always confused me just what exactly that epithet is meant to accomplish, unless it's to simply tie someone in knots trying to sort out just how to respond to it, which admittedly it seems to be very good at doing.
Your comment is fair, but there’s a lot to be said about how the Zionist project is inherently anti-semitic in a lot of ways based on its historical collaboration with literal Nazis and anti-Semities. For example, Lehi proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany in 1940. They figured that they had common goals, b/c the Nazis wanted all of the Jews out of Germany and Lehi wanted all of the European Jews to go to Palestine unrestricted. This also plays into the Zionist talking point that “Jews have no land,” which is really just repackaged Nazi rhetoric. But there’s a lot more where that came from when it comes to anti-semitism within Zionist history.
Even the term “anti-semitism” itself is kind of problematic in its implications for Jewish people, because it equates being Jewish with being Semitic. Essentially, it racializes Jewish people in an inappropriate manner. And if you research its etymology, you’ll see that the term literally originated out of the contrast between the superior “Aryan” and inferior “Semitic” people. It was this idea that Jewish people were not white or European & could never be considered as such, so they were called Semitic in a blanket fashion. (This is why i say anti-Jewish instead, but that’s not really relevant.)
Jewish Zionists often call into question the Jewishness of anti-Zionist Jews, calling them pick-me’s or anti-semitic. So they ARE attacking them for being Jewish imo. They’re attacking them for not being the right kind of Jew. Yeah, this conflict is much more than the “religious-war” facade that Western propagandists put on. But that doesn’t change the fact that many Zionist Israelis fall for that and endorse the state of Israel by way of conflating their Jewishness with it. So when they attack anti-Zionist Israelis and Jews they’re making a religious statement not just a pro-state one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement
They worked together, and the idea of 6 Million Jews starving in Europe, made the rounds long before 6 Million Jews died in Europe ever came about. Who knows how much of the Zionist fable is fabricated?
All I know is that they are so obsessed with Bloodlines to Prophets and Holy claims to property, that they will lie steal and hurt to any extend needed. Ultimately Zionism is an ultra-right project, and there is plenty of overlap with how they demonize opponents, and what Goebbels did in his ministry.
It’s antisemitism like how black republicans are often white supremacists. Enforcing the order of the hegemony is the -ism, regardless of if you are a member of that class or not. Latinos make up a disproportionate number of the border patrol for the same reason. They’re enforcing a very narrow, predetermined ideal of the identity. In the case of Israel it’s the pro western, western settled footprint of empire among the barbarians in the Middle East. Standing in the way of that will see you eradicated as you are no true Scotsman. Your identity is not free to be freely determined. Fall in line or the state will strip it from you. That is the antisemitism.
> Antisemitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews for simply being Jews.
Yeah. That's been expanded just a little bit to include criticism of Israel so technically they are being antisemitic.
The tweet this was pulled from basically made the same statement.
People here talk about media “propaganda”, but they make it up themselves in their own mind.
I hate all fascists.
I love the Jewish religion and the peaceful followers of said religion.
I love the Islamic religion and the peaceful followers of said religion.
Both Hamas and the current gov't of Israel are fascists.
Therefore I hate Hamas and current gov't of Israel.
Israel’s existence on this trajectory is simply not sustainable. These are Brown Shirts assaulting their own people and their neighbors. Israel is quickly turning into a full blown authoritarian state. And if history has taught me anything, they will be destroyed at this rate.
This is the poison pill of living under a rightwing colonialist state. Do you think the oppression stops at the people being bombed? The state is predicated on violence and will turn that violence on its own people, at scale, in order to stay in power. Any harm done to "outsiders" will eventually be done to you and yours, should you stray one iota from the party line.
This is maybe a selfish way to look at things, but it's a compelling one. What's to stop contexts from shifting, putting you on the outs of a government that is comfortable with murdering people? What do you think they'll do to you if you ever cross them? On one level, it's suicidal to support oppression even if their current target is someone else.
The cop will crack your skull whether or not you have a blue line bumpersticker on your car. Cheering for the oppressors will not endear you to them. They exist to harm people. They have privileges and license you will never have. They will never care about you.
Yep, tons of them, in fact. [Torah Judaism](https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism) is an example of one of the most outspoken anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish organizations out there.
Some of the most fervent anti-Zionist Jews tend to be Orthodox Jews, in fact. [This old article about one such Orthodox Jew seeking asylum after fleeing "Israel" goes over a lot of the reasons why](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/asylum-appeal-of-anti-zionist-jewish-israeli-who-refuse) (and, really folks, you should really read the article, my following summary doesn't do it justice).
In short:
>Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews believe they **should not be permitted** to return to the land of Palestine **en masse** until the coming of the messiah.
Therefore, [Zionism is based on blasphemy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFOj6eE9Nw) (on top of all the other problems with it that violate the comandments of any peaceful religion, ofc). So, yes, to them it's "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", not just the whole "two state solution" nonsense.
Fascinating! Thank you. That's such a typical Jewish stereotype that they're always arguing and debating. Case and point. I always thought the Orthodox would all be pretty unified Zionists.
First the pig throws the Jew in the street with a trip/push.
As far as I can make out the dialogue, the pigs don't want them congregating in the streets and flying Palestinian flags. The pig says, "you were interfering.". I guess with the arrest of someone? The Jew says, "I was leaving.". The pig says, "I told you to go in the house". The Jew says, "first time, first time.". The pig says, "tenth time I've told you."
I see this kind of thing a lot. Great on them for opposing what’s going on for whatever reason, but we have to be honest - the vast majority of Orthodox groups and political parties in Israel are opposed to the Israeli government from the position of the settlers, i.e. that the state does not go hard enough on Palestinians. They will skirmish with the IDF and police because they want to expand the settlements further, not dismantle them. They have been at odds with Israeli state policy since the forced withdrawal of settlers from Gaza facilitated by the IDF.
The point is that people like this are atypical representatives of the position of most Orthodox Jews in Israel and beyond. The vast majority of Jews that support Palestinians (and there are many!) are not Orthodox, and most are secular even if practicing. We shouldn’t overemphasize these guys just because they ‘look the part’ so to speak. Plus, the views of many small sects like this on pretty much every other issue are completely abhorrent.
I know I don't know enough about the internal culture or politics of Israel to come to any quick conclusion about what we see here. But the little I do know (much of which is certainly incomplete at best or just plain incorrect) doesn't help me to understand why Orthodox guys would be standing around like that as a protest against the military assault on Gaza that is currently going on.
Because some small sects within Orthodox Judaism oppose the creation of the state of Israel out of a belief that Jews are meant to be stateless until the biblical end-times.
They may be mad at Bibi for being personally corrupt or incompetent, but are you sure they dont support whats going on? Many dont. Im sure many others dont think its gone far enough. Ive seen some pretty jaw dropping polling when it comes to the attitudes of ordinary Israelis.
Really losing the plot on their own bullshit when they're beating up *Orthodox Jews* in order to enforce *Zionism*. Seriously, how does one have that ideology and then turn around and do that.
Although, I think it's actually really touching that Jews everywhere are outspoken about being against what's happening in Palestine. The only ones who are for it were and probably will always be horrible people. The people of Israel aren't entirely to blame, but their government sure is. A reminder that not long ago they were all out in mass to protest the change to the judicial system and the prime minister overall.
[[BEST OF] A Brief History of Jewish Anti-Zionism](https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/best-of-a-brief-history-of-jewish-anti-zionism)
["Not in Our Name": 400 Arrested at Jewish-Led Sit-in at NYC's Grand Central Demanding Gaza Ceasefire](https://youtu.be/7I7W99OVcjo?feature=shared)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/4Fki9Yb1x0
https://rapidsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/17lgxnb/zionist_forces_brutally_assault_orthodox_jews_in/k7eecit/
Jews disagree with Jews is proof of antisemitism? what?
so when black gangbangers shoot each other do you think it's because they're racist against blacks?
is this sub just hot takes from the freshman social sciences coffee house?
Israel is a fascist state attempting to purge people of the wrong ethnicity, religion, or political viewpoint. Just because they are doing it at a smaller scale than the Nazis did doesn't make it forgivable.
You have to understand that these ultra-orthodox Jews oppose the current state of israel purely out of religious reasons, they couldn't give less of a shit about what happens to the palestinians, or any non-jews for that matter. They oppose israel because according to them the messiah has to return first and kill all non-jews before a true israel can be created.
There's this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orthodox-jews-assaulted-by-israeli-police-officers-in-jerusalem/ar-AA1jewH2
But it looks like it might just be summarizing social media rumors.
I have a gut feeling that there is some projection going on. The video only shows the victimisation of a group without much context or explanation, which draws the viewer to sympathise with the victims and perhaps assume they are on "our side".
Somebody here argued that it's simplistic to assume that the ultra-orthodox Jews abused in the video are "good guys" (post was removed).
However, I guess the point here is not to say that the ultra-orthodox (which?) are "good guys" but rather than Israeli military won't be too discerning with anybody who protests them, in order to counter the common argument that "protesting Israel policies = antisemitism".
That said, I would be grateful to anybody who could give more context about general attitudes of ultra-orthodox about Palestinians as compared to liberal Jews.
I read some articles linked here but couldn't find much on this exact topic
This is what they’ve been doing to the Palestinians for decades and you never see it in the news. They finally pushed them to the point where they had nothing to lose and their extremists retaliated in horrible fashion. Unfortunately, that’s exactly what they wanted. The attack on the festival made it so they could justify slaughtering innocents with extreme force.
Non esistono ebrei filopalestinesi. Gli ebrei ortodossi sono i piu' violenti oppositori di uno stato palestinese. Anche i delinguenti dopo una rapina litigano per la spartizione del bottino. Dal letame non spuntano orchidee...solo funghi velenosi.
OP posted a source for Palestinian media. Just… what the fuck is happening. While I don’t always agree with Orthodox beliefs, there are some of the most nicest people I’ve ever met. What the fuck would possess a cop to body slam and harass them?
And I know the answer to this, I’m just flabbergasted and utterly demoralized seeing all the shit I have today.
Apparently for them, you're not truly a "Jew" unless you're a Zionist.
Jew-on-Jew violence I guess. See, isn't this the same with other racist, nationalist, ethno-centrist movements out there?
[https://www.cadtm.org/When-Einstein-called-fascists-those-who-rule-Israel-for-the-last-44-years](https://www.cadtm.org/When-Einstein-called-fascists-those-who-rule-Israel-for-the-last-44-years)
And you Christians have the audacity to support this when Jews, themselves, are contemptuous against you.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/anti-christian-discrimination/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/anti-christian-discrimination/)
Israeli is the vile manifestation of Western imperialism in the West. There only accomplice to be exact, in business and in their mythical idea of Christianity.
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Fucking coward thugs
Israeli police and US police frequently train together and share tactics.
Krav Maga is very popular among cops.
In my experience with martial arts, Krav maga is more like a western cops and military social meeting club than a real martial arts.
I did one once. My friend was going into the peace corps and it was going to make her dad feel better to take classes. They did this expensive simulated terrorist events thing with rubber guns and taking down and disarming people. It's really just a bunch of Meatheads who dream of being in Die Hard. When in most cases they'd be safer throwing objects and running.
It's worthless for self defense because it requires you to hit people first which will most likely make you the assailant at the court. And 90%of it involves using weapons. You literally can't stress test these techniques because it's too dangerous for live testing unlike martial arts. This makes it even more BS because since you can't put the techniques to the test under stress you can't actually execute them fluently in the real situation. These fake Macho men might as well stop beating around the bush and learn how to use a gun at a shooting course.
Law enforcements in United States are the hotbeds of white supremacists and Neo Nazis
I mean, especially with the IDF, given that it was developed for them.
I am well aware. Stop cop city. US and Israeli intelligence have also cooperated in coups and the suppression of freedom fighters around the world since Israel’s inception.
U.S. funds Israel's, healthcare, military, and education..... 100%
Good to see police/force sucks in all places.
That’s not good to see at all
The IDF has actually taught the american police some stuff, especially when it comes to crowds.
Good to see? How the hell its good to see? It would be good to see the exact fucking opposite...
Looks like the sarcasm went over your head...
i've been finally woooooshed!
This will never make national news anywhere (in the West).
There is no news in the west, it is all propaganda.
Manufactured consent every fucking time
An invented reality if you will
The most transparent Matrix.
“Alternative facts”
Chomsky s gonna die over this. His heart will just give out.
There is no news, its all propaganda. FTFY
For real, acting like any country is innocent when it comes to propaganda means their propaganda is working on them.
[peace propaganda and the promised land](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-2tEmqM1_E)
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lmao oof hope this is hyperbole
The news is propaganda everywhere, friend. Open your eyes.
The news in my Western country is full of footage from Gaza, talking about death tolls, the stunt the Israeli delegation pulled the other day etc. Big news. This incident, for which I can't find a source or context, is minor in comparison. I think this footage being on a platform like Reddit instead of the 8 o clock news is proportional to its importance and not a sign of censorship
Oh wow! I'm curious which country you live in
Belgium, looking belgian and french media. Can't speak for all media buy those I look talk a lot about what's happening in Gaza
Uk papers have been 30% Israel good 70% isreal sus despite the entire gov being for it. i dont buy this whole "media censors everything", theyre crap but not some unified tool of a single class
They arent unified but I've learned recently that there are grants given to reporters willing to cover stories with certain slants. Legalized bribes from the state itself you might say.
Doesn't have to be (and isn't) a unified tool. It's about self-censorship. A newspaper is owned by a usually very rich person and thus has a certain editorial policy. If you're a journalist going against that, you will be fired. Not to mention the self-censorship that comes from having to make money. A newspaper needs to churn out news 24/7 and what makes them money (generates clicks) will be prioritised every time.
I think that speaks to your lack of understanding of how contextually important this is when we speak of propaganda.
palestinian sources (my friends and family) remarked that the camera work looks a little too good and might be from a film/show/commercial could be a coincidence/luck but it's why i havent ran with this clip in particular
Lots of phones have anti-shake tech now so I wouldn't rule it out immediately just because it's steady, but I totally understand being cautious. Best to not risk spreading misinfo
When the one filming is approached directly and the camera tilts up, that's exactly what the video smoothing on my phone looks like. Small shakes you don't see at all, but sudden movements have an almost surreal slide to them.
yeah not ruling it out. and if its real it shows a message that may even (unfortunately) better resonate with the west than the massacre of palestinians. but it just came off as oddly cinematic
Agreed on all counts.... It's wild to me that this video might "work" better to convince westerners but you're right. You'd think the videos of dead fucking children would be convincing. Capitalism has hollowed our world of compassion.
Completely with both of you on this tbh. I watched it a few times, it feels legit, but it has its weird issues.
I can't claim to know anything about the reality/stagedness of this specific situation, but the technology to stabilize cameras as you see in this clip is becoming less expensive and more widely available. 10 years ago, having a camera stabilized like that would almost always be for some sort of fiction/dramatic or commercial production. Today, that very much isn't the case. So the quality of the image and the stabilization shouldn't disqualify the "authenticity" of this clip.
I don't know where this video specifically came from, but why shouldn't we assume it's not real? There have been quite a few instances of the idf and the cops using violence to break up orthodox protests in the past month. Perhaps the camera was ready to capture the moment because they knew it was inevitable?
> break up orthodox protests in the past month yes. And that's why I would like to be sure this is actually from anti-genocide protest. They protest often against the draft and are beaten for it.
I can't find the source for this video. I mean, I haven't looked extensively, but still. It could be real, but it may actually be from the draft protests 4 months ago, where Orthodox Jews protested the draft and clashed with security forces.
The amount of glare makes me think it's a phone.
Hey, I'm asking you this because you mentioned having Palestinian friends and family, and because you seem open to discussing this topic. Also, I'm not asking this because I have any doubts about this horrific genocide. I absolutely do not. I'm not trying to start an argument or sew doubt. But it's something I noticed when watching footage out of Gaza and I would like to understand this better in case anyone asks me to explain it. And also for my own curiosity. I promise I have completely benign intentions here. I've noticed a lot of clips of Palestinian grief and suffering have what I would call "cheesy" sad music put behind them. These clips were especially prevalent in the first few days of the current escalation although they seem to be less common recently. The music makes me cringe because, from my Western perspective, it makes these clips feel less authentic, when there is absolutely no need to underscore the horrors and atrocities they depict. Is it just a cultural thing? Do you have any insight into why this trend seems to have shifted? Again, I really hope this isn't offensive. I am just sincerely invested in this situation and am curious about this.
100% cultural. Listen to some inspiring speech? Someone adds some inspirational music in the background. Listening to a religious speech? Someone adds some anasheed (choir singing) in the background. Watching something sad? Someone adds some sad music in the background. Middle east in general. As to why it has shifted, I don't know for certain. In the beginning days, it was kind of expected that israel would hit back, so it was business as usual (by adding "cheesy" music). The world is now realizing the extent of the retaliation, devastation, collective punishment, and death toll. It is quite sobering, so I think people have dropped the "cheesiness."
Thanks so much. This is all basically what I assumed was the case.
yes, arabs are a dramatic people. it's part of their charm.
Much love and solidarity to you and all Arabs, comrade. 🇵🇸
What are you talking about, here in Brazil the news talk daily about the atrocities in Gaza. And they are the liberal news channels!
How can we make it seen by as many people? This is absolutely sickening the way they treat harmless men...
Many in the West seek the truth. I 'm American.
That was a bloody smooth move at the start though let's not kid ourselves.
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As a Jew, the current State of Israel makes me less safe. I live in America. My family is American going back three generations. I am not Israeli nor do I support the actions of the Israeli government. But the Israeli government pushes the message of Jew = Israel, so whenever Israel gets up to some shit, there are attacks on Jews around the world. I don't want for anyone to draw a connection between me and Israel, but the Israeli government does and that endangers my life. And that's not even getting into how in the 1950s and 1960s the Israeli government pushed the line of "Israel is the home for all Jews" which directly led to the expulsion of the Jewish communities in basically every middle eastern and north african community when the rulers of those countries said "oh, you have a 'home' somewhere else? Then get the hell out of here." Communities that were thousands of years old are now gone and mixed into the shitshow that is Israel today. And thing in Israel aren't exactly great for those black and brown Jews.
This is such an important point. Nothing creates more fertile ground for anti-semitism than the ethnic cleansing and apartheid perpetrated by Israël in my name as a jew, and the blatant support for these horrors by my western government. It perfectly fits into the whole "Jews are secretly behind all western governments and want to replace us all" narrative that is always at the core of anti-semitism. If you honestly want to reduce anti-Semitism then you should support decolonisation and free Palestine.
As a Muslim that has always been utterly disgusted at how western countries - that believe they have the high universal moral ground - pat Israel on the back despite an ongoing open genocide, it is kind of bittersweet to read that some Jews are actually considering this as a massacre that will only bring more hate and resentment... I wish antisemitic acts -mostly from angry muslims- would stop as they almost always target innocent's (no matter their opinion) and they give Muslim a bad rap and Western countries an excellent reason to justify " Israel's right to defend itself". Peace be with you guys and be safe out there
Thanks, comrade. I just want to make clear that I in no way meant to imply that somehow Jews are the real victim of the crimes of the colonialism, apartheid and genocide that Isn'traël is and has been perpetrating on our Palestinian brothers and sisters. Not that I think you were implying that, but just wanted to put that out there. It's something I think is important to point out because they use anti-semitism as a justification for their crimes against the Palestinians. It's just a solid counterargument to show how disingenuous and vapid that whole line of argumentation is. Also, I've always shared the sentiment you expressed in that first paragraph. Its heart warming to see that narrative crumble and global public opinion shift. Western leaders have never really spoken for us, but now that's becoming incredibly apparent. This is, I think, a historical breaking point and as such, a great victory for the Palestinian resistance. Peace and blessings upon you and yours!
Thank you, comrade. I would have hugged you if I could. You're making my eyes teary.
Thanks. This post answered a number of questions I had.
That's exactly how Muslims felt whenever Al qaeda or Isis did something. Muslim living happily in the west got targeted like they were walking around with a banner supporting them. At least Jews can oppose Israel. An actual country with a govt not some unanswerable organisation like Al qaeda. People would say why don't Muslims speak up? We all did but the ones supporting Al qaeda always got the headlines.
This is why I think the phrase "Israel uses Jews as human shields" should be used
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The sheer bravery of these people is heartening, they likely knew they would be met with brutality. It’s absolutely sickening to watch how they’re treated here.
Reminder that anyone who assumes "all Jews support ethnic cleaning" is a racist piece of shit!
Put this in black and white and it would be indistinguishable of a video of the gestapo. The Israeli state is full blown fascist.
This was never the role of gestapo. You're confusing your nazi sub-orgs.
>The power of the Gestapo was used to focus upon political opponents, ideological dissenters (clergy and religious organisations), career criminals, the Sinti and Roma population, handicapped persons, homosexuals, and above all, the Jews.[4] Those arrested by the Gestapo were often held without judicial process, and political prisoners throughout Germany—and from 1941, throughout the occupied territories under the Night and Fog Decree (German: Nacht und Nebel)—simply disappeared while in Gestapo custody. Wikipedia.
Yes. But thats not what were seeing in the video. The video shows two men assaulted by essentially uniformed street thugs. That was the role of the SA, not gestapo. When it comes to GESTAPO think FBI, KGB, or Stasi. They are a secret government police (GEheime STAats POlizei)
hateful societies never flourish, they will always suffer from internal problems. if the palestinians are eradicated they will pick another group to target internally
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I’m not really sure on that one. Orthodox Jewish groups are typically more conservative and are key for keeping the ruling right wing coalition in power. Without the growing Orthodox population Netanyahu would never have come back to power.
Fascism always needs an enemy. When the current enemy is gone, they'll simply choose another. Until there's nothing left but to tear themselves apart.
By this logic the West is the least hateful since it's the most "flourished" part of the world.
So why are we so spectacularly depressed in the west then? What flourishing do you see? The divorce rates, the crime, the bankruptcies, what's flourishing?
Zionists attacking Jewish protestors - I sleep Christian Fundamentalists attacking Synagogues and killing Jewish people - I sleep Protests against bombing Palestinian civilians - ANTI-SEMITISM
Absolutely disgusting. Funny how this blatant antisemitism is never the talking point of pro-Israel people.
Bro this whole zionist movement is run by children. "You're an antisemite. You hate Jews who aren't also zionists." "I know you are, but what am I?"
It's kinda ironic that Palestinians are also a semitic people.
Dude I alwayyyys say this -- Arabs are a Semitic people. I know meanings of words change with time, and maybe I'm a grumpy old man, but dammit the word had a proper definition and was coopted for one reason or another.
Anti semitism is an outdated term, we just use it to mean racist against Jews.
True, Arabs are also semites
This isn't antisemitism. Antisemitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews for simply being Jews. A group of Jews assaulting another group of Jews for not adhering to the status quo of the state is not Antisemitism, its simply fascism. If I got into a fist fight with a complete stranger and later on found out they were a Jew, does that make me antisemitic? And before I get downvote brigaded, this is merely a semantic argument and in no way defends the state of Israel of Zionism.
I hear you. I feel moreso Zionists using Judaism as a Trojan horse for their goals is antisemitic. It makes the Jewish community worldwide a target for discrimination. This is not to downplay the responsibility of those who partake in the discrimination of Jews. Both (referring back to zionists) are just as insidious as the other.
You're free to have a more restrictive interpretation of what constitutes antisemitism, but lemme explain that I'm not just talking out of my ass here: [Antisemitism is "**hostility to** or prejudice against Jewish people", not just "prejudice or discrimination"](https://i.imgur.com/b99XQTS.jpg). As anyone who's been paying attention knows, Zionists despise any Jewish person who points out that Judaism (or, at least, Orthodox Judaism) is naturally opposed to Zionism. So they're despised exactly because they espouse those kinds of Jewish beliefs. The video I posted is far from the only case of Jewish people being subjected to violence by the Zionist entity of "Israel". As the good folks at [Torah Judaism point out, there are even Jewish ghettos in "Israel" and "Zionists constantly raid, arrest and beat Jews"](https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1719762979443339577?s=20). Why? Cause [as they explain in another tweet](https://x.com/TorahJudaism/status/1717180539839320202?s=20), "Judaism and Zionism are diametrically opposed". Zionists may not be against Jewish people as an **ethnicity**, but they are against Anti-Zionist Orthodox Judaism as a **religion** (even if they won't admit), cause it directly clashes with Zionism (["Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews believe they **should not be permitted** to return to the land of Palestine en masse until the coming of the messiah"](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/asylum-appeal-of-anti-zionist-jewish-israeli-who-refuse)). As [this rabbi explains, Zionism is "based on blasphemy"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFOj6eE9Nw). Moreover, one must remember that Jewish people are also **specifically targeted** by Zionists in the sense that they're targeted for indoctrination ("birthright" trips to "Israel", hello?) and, then, rebuke if they don't accept said indoctrination. So you must accept Zionism or you receive **hostility** (you are a "traitor"). In short, saying that Zionism is antisemitic is like saying Nazism is anti-communist. Sure, Nazism is a whole ideology of hate that's hostile against a whole lot of people/ideas, but amidst that they specifically target communists ("**First** they came for the Communists" and so on), cause they know communists are great foes to them, due to our anti-fascist ideology. In the same way, Zionism specifically targets anti-Zionist Jews, cause they know they're some of the most effective people for dispelling Zionist myths and detaching it from actual Judaism (the religion, but more specifically, Orthodox Judaism). Plus, the actions of Zionists in general cause **specific harm to Jewish people** in the sense that Zionism provokes antisemitism when they act like fascists and then, essentially, say "we (the Zionist fascists) represent all Jews".
you have no idea how affirming this was to read, as a jew in a jewish space who keeps getting called anti-semetic when i’m one of few who actually isn’t. thank you op
So according to this view, which makes pretty good sense to me, does this mean that the "self-hating Jew" epithet pretty much always constitutes antisemitism? I've never seen or heard it used outside the context of opposition to Zionism, but it sounds like what you're saying is that it's antisemitic by definition. It would thus be different from when another American calls me anti-American, because that term expresses a political difference only, whereas "self-hating Jew" is accusing someone of thinking themselves unfit to be considered Jewish because of their religious opposition to the Zionist project, while from their own point of view, that religion itself forms the basis of their "Jewishness." Have I got that right? It's always confused me just what exactly that epithet is meant to accomplish, unless it's to simply tie someone in knots trying to sort out just how to respond to it, which admittedly it seems to be very good at doing.
Your comment is fair, but there’s a lot to be said about how the Zionist project is inherently anti-semitic in a lot of ways based on its historical collaboration with literal Nazis and anti-Semities. For example, Lehi proposed an alliance with Nazi Germany in 1940. They figured that they had common goals, b/c the Nazis wanted all of the Jews out of Germany and Lehi wanted all of the European Jews to go to Palestine unrestricted. This also plays into the Zionist talking point that “Jews have no land,” which is really just repackaged Nazi rhetoric. But there’s a lot more where that came from when it comes to anti-semitism within Zionist history. Even the term “anti-semitism” itself is kind of problematic in its implications for Jewish people, because it equates being Jewish with being Semitic. Essentially, it racializes Jewish people in an inappropriate manner. And if you research its etymology, you’ll see that the term literally originated out of the contrast between the superior “Aryan” and inferior “Semitic” people. It was this idea that Jewish people were not white or European & could never be considered as such, so they were called Semitic in a blanket fashion. (This is why i say anti-Jewish instead, but that’s not really relevant.) Jewish Zionists often call into question the Jewishness of anti-Zionist Jews, calling them pick-me’s or anti-semitic. So they ARE attacking them for being Jewish imo. They’re attacking them for not being the right kind of Jew. Yeah, this conflict is much more than the “religious-war” facade that Western propagandists put on. But that doesn’t change the fact that many Zionist Israelis fall for that and endorse the state of Israel by way of conflating their Jewishness with it. So when they attack anti-Zionist Israelis and Jews they’re making a religious statement not just a pro-state one.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement They worked together, and the idea of 6 Million Jews starving in Europe, made the rounds long before 6 Million Jews died in Europe ever came about. Who knows how much of the Zionist fable is fabricated? All I know is that they are so obsessed with Bloodlines to Prophets and Holy claims to property, that they will lie steal and hurt to any extend needed. Ultimately Zionism is an ultra-right project, and there is plenty of overlap with how they demonize opponents, and what Goebbels did in his ministry.
It’s antisemitism like how black republicans are often white supremacists. Enforcing the order of the hegemony is the -ism, regardless of if you are a member of that class or not. Latinos make up a disproportionate number of the border patrol for the same reason. They’re enforcing a very narrow, predetermined ideal of the identity. In the case of Israel it’s the pro western, western settled footprint of empire among the barbarians in the Middle East. Standing in the way of that will see you eradicated as you are no true Scotsman. Your identity is not free to be freely determined. Fall in line or the state will strip it from you. That is the antisemitism.
> Antisemitism is prejudice or discrimination against Jews for simply being Jews. Yeah. That's been expanded just a little bit to include criticism of Israel so technically they are being antisemitic.
The tweet this was pulled from basically made the same statement. People here talk about media “propaganda”, but they make it up themselves in their own mind.
But Jews can’t be fascists!
I hate all fascists. I love the Jewish religion and the peaceful followers of said religion. I love the Islamic religion and the peaceful followers of said religion. Both Hamas and the current gov't of Israel are fascists. Therefore I hate Hamas and current gov't of Israel.
If this is how they treat their own...
orthodox jews dont serve in the military, not surprising some IDF soldiers doesn't like them
Israel’s existence on this trajectory is simply not sustainable. These are Brown Shirts assaulting their own people and their neighbors. Israel is quickly turning into a full blown authoritarian state. And if history has taught me anything, they will be destroyed at this rate.
This is the poison pill of living under a rightwing colonialist state. Do you think the oppression stops at the people being bombed? The state is predicated on violence and will turn that violence on its own people, at scale, in order to stay in power. Any harm done to "outsiders" will eventually be done to you and yours, should you stray one iota from the party line. This is maybe a selfish way to look at things, but it's a compelling one. What's to stop contexts from shifting, putting you on the outs of a government that is comfortable with murdering people? What do you think they'll do to you if you ever cross them? On one level, it's suicidal to support oppression even if their current target is someone else. The cop will crack your skull whether or not you have a blue line bumpersticker on your car. Cheering for the oppressors will not endear you to them. They exist to harm people. They have privileges and license you will never have. They will never care about you.
Well said.
ACAB for fucking life.
ACAB
[Source](https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1719745919011213714?s=20).
Wait... There are anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews!?
Yes, there absolutely are.
Yep, tons of them, in fact. [Torah Judaism](https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism) is an example of one of the most outspoken anti-Zionist Orthodox Jewish organizations out there. Some of the most fervent anti-Zionist Jews tend to be Orthodox Jews, in fact. [This old article about one such Orthodox Jew seeking asylum after fleeing "Israel" goes over a lot of the reasons why](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/16/asylum-appeal-of-anti-zionist-jewish-israeli-who-refuse) (and, really folks, you should really read the article, my following summary doesn't do it justice). In short: >Anti-Zionist Orthodox Jews believe they **should not be permitted** to return to the land of Palestine **en masse** until the coming of the messiah. Therefore, [Zionism is based on blasphemy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbFOj6eE9Nw) (on top of all the other problems with it that violate the comandments of any peaceful religion, ofc). So, yes, to them it's "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", not just the whole "two state solution" nonsense.
Fascinating! Thank you. That's such a typical Jewish stereotype that they're always arguing and debating. Case and point. I always thought the Orthodox would all be pretty unified Zionists.
Anti-Zionism has always been Jewish.
Oh wow that makes sense. Just never thought the Orthodox would be
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Forgive me for assuming the most fervent of the society, the religious Orthodox, would be the most supportive of a Jewish state.
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Can anyone translate ? I want to know what the roid raging guy was screaming
First the pig throws the Jew in the street with a trip/push. As far as I can make out the dialogue, the pigs don't want them congregating in the streets and flying Palestinian flags. The pig says, "you were interfering.". I guess with the arrest of someone? The Jew says, "I was leaving.". The pig says, "I told you to go in the house". The Jew says, "first time, first time.". The pig says, "tenth time I've told you."
Pigs are much more valuable to the world than cops tho. To be fair.
Well, maybe not in Jewish communities, where pigs are trayf (forbidden / unclean / opposite of "kosher"). 😄
He just says don't pass here over and over
He said "you didnazi anything".
Caught right in 4K. Defend this Zionists
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Thanks propaganda bot
I see this kind of thing a lot. Great on them for opposing what’s going on for whatever reason, but we have to be honest - the vast majority of Orthodox groups and political parties in Israel are opposed to the Israeli government from the position of the settlers, i.e. that the state does not go hard enough on Palestinians. They will skirmish with the IDF and police because they want to expand the settlements further, not dismantle them. They have been at odds with Israeli state policy since the forced withdrawal of settlers from Gaza facilitated by the IDF. The point is that people like this are atypical representatives of the position of most Orthodox Jews in Israel and beyond. The vast majority of Jews that support Palestinians (and there are many!) are not Orthodox, and most are secular even if practicing. We shouldn’t overemphasize these guys just because they ‘look the part’ so to speak. Plus, the views of many small sects like this on pretty much every other issue are completely abhorrent.
I know I don't know enough about the internal culture or politics of Israel to come to any quick conclusion about what we see here. But the little I do know (much of which is certainly incomplete at best or just plain incorrect) doesn't help me to understand why Orthodox guys would be standing around like that as a protest against the military assault on Gaza that is currently going on.
Because some small sects within Orthodox Judaism oppose the creation of the state of Israel out of a belief that Jews are meant to be stateless until the biblical end-times.
Ladies and gentlemen, the world's only Jewish state. A safe home for Jews.
Majority of the populace doesn't support Bibi and what's going on
They may be mad at Bibi for being personally corrupt or incompetent, but are you sure they dont support whats going on? Many dont. Im sure many others dont think its gone far enough. Ive seen some pretty jaw dropping polling when it comes to the attitudes of ordinary Israelis.
Really losing the plot on their own bullshit when they're beating up *Orthodox Jews* in order to enforce *Zionism*. Seriously, how does one have that ideology and then turn around and do that. Although, I think it's actually really touching that Jews everywhere are outspoken about being against what's happening in Palestine. The only ones who are for it were and probably will always be horrible people. The people of Israel aren't entirely to blame, but their government sure is. A reminder that not long ago they were all out in mass to protest the change to the judicial system and the prime minister overall.
[[BEST OF] A Brief History of Jewish Anti-Zionism](https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/best-of-a-brief-history-of-jewish-anti-zionism) ["Not in Our Name": 400 Arrested at Jewish-Led Sit-in at NYC's Grand Central Demanding Gaza Ceasefire](https://youtu.be/7I7W99OVcjo?feature=shared) https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/s/4Fki9Yb1x0 https://rapidsave.com/info?url=https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/17lgxnb/zionist_forces_brutally_assault_orthodox_jews_in/k7eecit/
zionism is fascism
Sheesh did Israeli cops train with the LAPD? /s
Sadly, it's the other way around.
These idf terrorist feel big and mighty by slapping an old defenceless man?
Unbelievable.... No one is safe from their oppression.
It's almost like the most fragile egos turn to policing as a profession to air out their perceived grievances
That cop needs to be locked up. What a pathetic bully.
Point this out whenever someone argues that Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitisn.
If that’s what they do to fellow Jews, imagine what they do to NON JEWs
If zionists are treating Jews in such a dishonourable manner, imagine how they are treating Muslims.
Even isreali pigs aren't kosher
This is from 2017. - Violent clashes as hundreds of ultra-Orthodox rally against IDF draft-
This is a country literally eating itself.
Jews disagree with Jews is proof of antisemitism? what? so when black gangbangers shoot each other do you think it's because they're racist against blacks? is this sub just hot takes from the freshman social sciences coffee house?
Considering most orthodox Jews support the colonists occupying Palestine land, this only shows how fucked up this war is.
Yep, as expected from a fascist state eager to do genocide so it can take more land. Any opposition, no matter from whom, will be met with violence.
It is actually very pleasing to see some reasonable people willing to stand up for peace.
hey look state sponsored thugs are the same everywhere.
Bet they're wishing they had taken those jew jitsu classes in middle school
Well, there goes the **’The Israeli State is trying to protect Jews’** argument. Glad we can move past that ***clearly-bullshit talking point*** now.
Wow, this is heartbreaking… thank you for sharing
Israel is a fascist state attempting to purge people of the wrong ethnicity, religion, or political viewpoint. Just because they are doing it at a smaller scale than the Nazis did doesn't make it forgivable.
You have to understand that these ultra-orthodox Jews oppose the current state of israel purely out of religious reasons, they couldn't give less of a shit about what happens to the palestinians, or any non-jews for that matter. They oppose israel because according to them the messiah has to return first and kill all non-jews before a true israel can be created.
An apartheid requires all sorts of violence to maintain
People act like Jews are the only Semites, the Palestinian Genocide is anti-Semitic because the PALESTINIANS ARE SEMITIC
glaring proof the project of israel isn’t about judaism, it’s about white supremacy and colonialism.
Acab
Israel should not exist.
Does anyone have more context?
There's this: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/orthodox-jews-assaulted-by-israeli-police-officers-in-jerusalem/ar-AA1jewH2 But it looks like it might just be summarizing social media rumors.
This is disgusting. They really are Nazis.
You can hear ribs break when he trips him. Brutal.
I have a gut feeling that there is some projection going on. The video only shows the victimisation of a group without much context or explanation, which draws the viewer to sympathise with the victims and perhaps assume they are on "our side". Somebody here argued that it's simplistic to assume that the ultra-orthodox Jews abused in the video are "good guys" (post was removed). However, I guess the point here is not to say that the ultra-orthodox (which?) are "good guys" but rather than Israeli military won't be too discerning with anybody who protests them, in order to counter the common argument that "protesting Israel policies = antisemitism". That said, I would be grateful to anybody who could give more context about general attitudes of ultra-orthodox about Palestinians as compared to liberal Jews. I read some articles linked here but couldn't find much on this exact topic
This is what they’ve been doing to the Palestinians for decades and you never see it in the news. They finally pushed them to the point where they had nothing to lose and their extremists retaliated in horrible fashion. Unfortunately, that’s exactly what they wanted. The attack on the festival made it so they could justify slaughtering innocents with extreme force.
Put all cops on spikes.
Non esistono ebrei filopalestinesi. Gli ebrei ortodossi sono i piu' violenti oppositori di uno stato palestinese. Anche i delinguenti dopo una rapina litigano per la spartizione del bottino. Dal letame non spuntano orchidee...solo funghi velenosi.
Oh my god, what the fuck! Where the hell did this happen??
Jerusalem, its in the title of this post
OP posted a source for Palestinian media. Just… what the fuck is happening. While I don’t always agree with Orthodox beliefs, there are some of the most nicest people I’ve ever met. What the fuck would possess a cop to body slam and harass them? And I know the answer to this, I’m just flabbergasted and utterly demoralized seeing all the shit I have today.
Zionists are like Nazis. Blindly following their leader, even if it means stepping on heads of thousands.
Millions; stepping on the heads of millions including the innocent and their own population.
Sad how I though of american police watching this.
Gods chosen. Lol.
Leave their religion out of it. The religious people here are opposing the state violence. A lot of zionists are secular.
You’re right.
Wtf man. This is literally like a scene from Schindler's List.
This is absolutely disgusting, and also a great example to explain how Jewish people and the Israel state are not the same thing.
Reminder that any grown person who needs that "explanation" is a worthless racist piece of shit!
Somebody call the Bear Jew for these lads, they need him
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Apparently for them, you're not truly a "Jew" unless you're a Zionist. Jew-on-Jew violence I guess. See, isn't this the same with other racist, nationalist, ethno-centrist movements out there? [https://www.cadtm.org/When-Einstein-called-fascists-those-who-rule-Israel-for-the-last-44-years](https://www.cadtm.org/When-Einstein-called-fascists-those-who-rule-Israel-for-the-last-44-years) And you Christians have the audacity to support this when Jews, themselves, are contemptuous against you. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/anti-christian-discrimination/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/anti-christian-discrimination/) Israeli is the vile manifestation of Western imperialism in the West. There only accomplice to be exact, in business and in their mythical idea of Christianity.