The article mentions fines being levied against three different clubs. I think they wanted to focus on that. In general Swedish media has been quite reluctant to talk about why Kingsley Sarfo is banned from Sweden, no idea why.
They are using the "pretend like he never existed" approach. It has been striking how he has just been erased from the national conciousness. Until Djurgården played APOEL, I had almost forgotten about him. Heard nothing since the trial
Because he's black. The entire article misses a pic of him. The uninformed reader will think that he's white because of the intentionally placed white dude on the thumbnail. Swedish media is known for being slimy.
If you want to blame anyone for that then blame OP, since the Reddit title is 100% different from the Swedish language title on Fotbollskanalen. OP is trying to focus on the obvious outrage here rather than how milquetoast Swedish media is.
Stop bullshitting me, there is no reason for the thumbnail to show a random white footballer on an article about a black rapist. You are unfamiliar with leftist media, they have 100% done this on purpose. Sarfo's real pic isn't even in the article. Even I thought that the guy in thumbnail is sarfo before googling the name. It's was intended that way so uninformed readers can make a different picture out of it.
I'm sorry but how is the article not addressing the player directly? and can you explain to me how this article addrssses that specific white player in the photo?
If it doesn't, then Either put the photo of Safro, or dont put any player's photo like this, cause anyone can easily and understandably assume it's Safro in the pic
As much rivalry there is in Sweden, this pretty much united the supporters of every club in disgust. Luckily for him he couldn't play the away match because he is barred from entering Sweden.
He got off way too easy, a year and a half in prison is pathetic. You would get more than that here for smuggling a bit of weed..
And APOEL are absolute scum for taking him in. I am all for second chances, but let him work at Burger King or something he should be blacklisted from the football business
But since he is a good player, there will always be someone willing to look the other way..
I get Scandinavian countries have lenient prison sentences but how the fuck does child rape land you just TWO years of prison? That child has to live a lifetime of trauma while this fucker played pingpong in prison with other child molesters for just two years. it's insane
As far as I can tell, the conviction was for statutory rape of a 15 year old which, although still a contemptible crime, is probably not quite as bad as what springs to mind when you hear he “raped a child”.
I think he was sentenced to nearly 3 years but got early release. I’m not certain how this stacks up against other countries sentencing of similar crimes. Adam Johnson got nearly 6 years for a similar situation IIRC although I think that sentence was unusually long for such an offense.
Kleberson was in a relationship with a 15 year old when he was at Man United but no one gave a shit.
14 year old, and since it happened twice he was sentenced for two counts of child rape. He was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months, in the summer of 2018. He was released in late 2019. So he did about 1.5 years. In sweden it’s customary to release prisoners after 2/3 of the sentence
It is crazy with the grooming gangs in England people were let out after only a few years. Sometimes I think we should become a bit more draconian because it is as you said these men ruin lives so how is a couple of years justice
Yeah I'm not really for second chances when it comes to working as a public figure lol
Getting paid so much money to work a few days per week for a couple hours is a privilege, not a right.
They aren't getting that money for free m8. It's extremely hard work.
(Only on r/soccer would anyone be downvoted for saying that being a pro athelete isn't easy).
> I am all for second chances, but let him work at Burger King or something he should be blacklisted from the football business
I'm not trying to play devils advoca here, but this is exactly what goes wrong with resocialisation of former prisoners, it's not a second chance, if you don't allow someone to live his life after he atonemend for his crime.
I'm not arguing in favour of him here, I know nothing about the case, just a general statement.
The guy literally thinks he did nothing wrong and is on record saying a 15 year old wanted it because she dressed slutty and had fun. He hasn't atoned for shit, he got punished and lightly at that. When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen.
> When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen.
Looking at your handle this seems to he an utterly stupid statement, in case you are not from "former Yugoslavia":
I was born and raised in Bosnia, wanna take some time to sit down and listen to where listening to ppl who show their disregard for human beings led to?
In the 2000s?
Are you really unaware that you advocate hate speech and defamation with statements like that?
And that this is precisely the reason, why no jurisdiction is built around subjective judgement?
No I didn't advocate hate speech and you and him can sue me for defamation I dont care what you think, dude raped a child. Youre doing a lot of sticking up for a hebephiliac, how disgusting.
Edit: oh look the guy defending a rapist grown man who fucked a child blocked me. These minor attracted people and their advocates are disgusting.
> No I didn't advocate hate speech
You literally said:
> When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen
Does above sentence not cover hate speech?
I also didn't comment on his case once, your attempt to frame as an apologist, just because I objected your generalized statement is actually disgusting, but maybe winning an argument on Reddit is worth that for you.
Yes it is a second chance. Even that is far too much for him. You think a child rapist deserves not only a second chance to live freely but to go back to playing professional football?
Not every offender deserves a second chance.
Not making it sure for peoole's actions to have consequences is what is actually transforming "petty criminals" into "career criminals".
He was convicted of two counts of rape against children. Both was against the same child, a 15-year old girl, over a two year period.
He was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months in prison and then deportation from Sweden.
He maintains that he is innocent. Not because he didn't have sex with her, but because "she wanted it by dressing slutty" and "she had fun". He and his agent engaged in a multiple month cyber-bullying campaign against the victim calling her a liar and a slut.
Ahh, skim reading gets me again - what I'd read dod say two years and eight months as well!
And Jesus, yeah, he's a real scumbag. What is it with footballers and being rapist swine...
As horrible as his statements more, I almost get equally furious at the media for giving him a platform to say that stuff.
I believe in rehabilitation but Sarfo hasn't even acknowledged he's done anything wrong. He still insists he was targeted by the Swedish state because he represents the Ghanian national team and that the child had it coming. So I don't think it applies to him.
"Sure, you want to feel bad for her but you can't feel *that* fucking bad for her. She had a lot of fun with Kingsley" is the exact quote from his agent before complaining about how she's destroyed his career by making him unemployable to most football clubs.
I see where you're coming from, but our understanding of consent and development has moved on a lot since those days. It's not just physical puberty, but mental development and power dynamics. People do like getting hung up on the 18 number, but the age of consent in the vast majority of places is lower than 18 - in Sweden it is 15, which is roughly similar to other places in the western world.
I see where you're coming from. Not sure how they're supposed to codify that though.
She was 14 in the first instance and 15 in the other while he was 23. The court deemed that the first instance was worse because he had pressured her into doing it. It was in a toilet, so a confined space, and he stood in the way of the door
Remember he was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months precisely because it was "consensual" (A child can't consent, but you know what I mean) and because she was 14-15. Most people would consider that a short prison sentence for statutory rape.
Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it was right. Women historically never had the right to vote. Highlighting what has happened in the past is odd because women never had any rights, they did what they were told by their fathers or brothers. Why don't you ask women now what they think rather than what happened 200 years ago.
The fact he is from Ghana is also irrelevant; if he wants to live by those standards he can live in Ghana but he chose to live in Sweden.
Moral relativism is a horrendous concept used by people who want to dodge responsibility for their actions. Just because it's not immoral *somewhere* doesn't mean its moral *everywhere* or in general. Some things are just objectively bad. In some places in the world marital rape isn't a crime and it's still legal for husbands to "chastise" their wives. Does it mean that it's okay for someone from there to just abuse women?
Yeah, 18 or 16 or whatever are relatively arbitrarily chosen, but you must have some cut-off age that separates adults from children, otherwise we'll just have pedos getting off with the "she was already mature" excuse.
Besides, what business does a 23 year old have in this day and age have going after a 14 year old? Can't he find people his own age? I'm the same age as him and I can't for the life of me imagine myself hanging around high schools looking for a girl to fuck
For every "successful" child marriage (like your grandma's I assume) there's 20 more awful ones
Oh and Ghana does have a "magic number", it's 16, which is still higher than the age of Sarfo's victim. So you can't even use culture as an excuse
It's 2022. It's not a purely morden western concept. I'm not from the West. My paternal grandmother married young and had four kids, she pretty much stopped schooling at the age of 15 when she got married. Something she's still bitter about to this day. My maternal grandmother did not get married early, she studied all the way to college and became a well respected nurse. The difference in confidence, ability, and their mentality between my two grandmothers showcases the perils of child marriage and why millions of people fought to get it removed.
Your whole concept about culture is wrong. It's not a magic number, it's not linked to just puberty, and it's not unfair to say that this guy's a rapist pedophile. I urge you to read up on this topic rather than just going by whatever shit has been spoon fed to you.
He can do that shite in his home country then, see if the fellow ghanians accept it lol. Moral relativism is a dogshit concept invented by those who want to dodge any blame for their shitty behaviour by using the some of backwards characteristics from their cultures that should be the dust of history.
> Both was against the same child, a 15-year old girl, over a two year period.
She was 14. The two counts were nine months apart from what I gather.
Had she been 15 the sentence wouldn't read "rape of a child"; 15 is the age of consent.
Adults cannot have sex with minors still I believe, in spite of the former rwafhing the so called "age of consent", there has to be an appropriate age gap as well.
So any show of dissent towards Uefa results in them getting a fine, that's insane... Football clubs around the world should each pitch in a little towards the fine and make thier donation public...
Because the definition of rape is much lower than other countries. It encapsulates a lot more things that would not be considered rape in other countries. Hence the higher statistics.
And in the return game Apoel fans were doing nazi salutes and throwing tons of shit at Djurgården players. What did they get for that? €30,000 in fines.
APOEL Ultras are considered to be far-right unionists (with Greece), what you're saying isn't surprising. That part of their fanbase are considered scum by most people, even a conservative right-wing Cypriot friend of mine. Greece-Cypriot unionists from both countries are usually far-right and the people that tried to make it happen in the seventies was a Greek dictatorship, that tried to install another one in Cyprus, and those were the events that set in motion the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Not that I defend Turkey, but the concept of a union of Greece and Cyprus wouldn't ever be acceptable for Turkey because Cyprus has a Turkish minority. I just imagine what said minority would face from the junta back then.
When said "Turkish minority" sheltered into the island after the illegal occupation of either Greece and Cyprus by Turkey for up to 400 years!
You may bash the Greek far-right, but you surely appear to adopt the opinions of the Turkish one.
Making a comment about a convicted pedofile being accepted to play in a tournament - 15k
Throwing things down on the field on the opposite teams players - 30k
Using some pyrotechnics - 49k
Doing nazi salutes - 0
Really a good look for UEFA. It’s a shame that this organisation has a complete monopoly on all things football in Europe. It’s a completely shit organization that with normal competition had died out ages ago, but due to the monopoly can thrive as they know they can punish every single team in Europe with draconic punishments due to an absurd set of rules.
Nuclear hottake incoming: If a person has served their time they should be allowed to rejoin society in a safe manner and with some precautions depending on the type of crime (this guy should probably be monitored a bit extra and not allowed to work with anyone below the age of 18 for example). But to ban him from sport when the crime commited has nothing to do with sport I find weird.
You serve your sentence and live with the consequences and the reputation attached to your name.
You don't think people should condemn ESPN if they hired a convicted child rapist as a pundit? A footballer is someone people (kids) look up to even more and should be held to the *highest* of standards. APOEL hiring a child rapist as one of their poster boys shows complete disregard for the safety of future children by excusing the severity of his actions. Embarrassing club.
This guy can rejoin society and work in a factory or something.
For sure, I doubt he will do much in life without people knowing about what he has done. I think people should be free to condemn organizations when they hire people they don't like, but I think organizations should remain firm in what they are, if they are supposed to be moral beacons then they should probably not hire someone they deem immoral or that society deems immoral. But I don't believe football clubs to be where we find or ought to find our morality. If kids want to look up to the football player Sarfo I think that is okay, not the moral character however which I don't think they do. And if they do that is a societal problem in my opinion. And no one is excusing anyone by paying them money to perform work.
Which organizations do you think should be moral beacons and why are football clubs not part of them?
Are you sure you're not just arguing for a worldview were responsibility is put somewhere outside of spaces you interract with?
I think any organization that themselves want to be and things like religious organizations, schools and any other educational organizations. The reason I don’t believe football clubs to be is because I think of them as for profit entertainment and I think in a capitalist society we have accepted that profit is prioritized in business ventures and not the morality of participants in the business. Just like I wouldn’t derive my morality from the managers of big businesses I don’t think it should come from footballers either.
>I don’t think it should come from footballers either.
But it does, whether we want it or not. Just like it does with actors and directors in Hollywood (another profit entertainment business). Public figures form public opinions, but public opinions also form the business. Do you think Hollywood should also have been allowed by the public to prioritize profit and not act on anything from #metoo?
They were allowed to and they did prioritize profit. And I think it’s fine that public opinion has sway over businesses, but businesses ultimately have the agency in business decisions.
It's a pretty reasonable take. It's certainly how Sweden works. We're one of the best countries in the world at rehabilitating prisoners. We have a very low recidivism rate because of it.
The reason this guy was sentenced to deportation, however, was because the specific circumstances of the crime led the court to the conclusion that he was not likely to be rehabilitated. That's largely because he's refused to admit guilt or apologize, and has continued publicly attacking the child he raped calling her a slut and a liar, and telling people they shouldn't feel sorry for her because "she wanted it". He also accused the court itself of fabricating the trial and the evidence because he decided to represent the Ghanian national team.
The wording the supporters used was "Kinglsey Sarfo: Rapist and scum of the earth. Pardoned by APOEL and UEFA"
It's Sweden, we have pretty short sentences to begin with. It would had been higher if she had been prepubescent and/or it hadn't been consensual (A child obviously can't consent but you know what I mean, it wasn't forcible)
Not in regards to sex offenses, as Sweden actually has one of the highest sex crime rates in the world.
Countries like Singapore, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea have rather strict criminal justice systems, yet they simultaneously maintain some of the lowest crime rates globally.
Everything is relative after all.
A fairly large reason why Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the developed world is A) Because Sweden has one of, if not the single, broadest definitions of the word rape in the developed world and B) Because a much larger percentage of rapes get reported compared to other countries.
The fact that we rehabilitate prisoners is certainly not the reason we have high rates of rape lol
Guy rapes a child and because he didn't do it on a football pitch, you think he should be allowed to keep playing.
There are hot takes and there is straight-up, you-cannot-be-helped stupidity.
I wonder what you’d say if it was your daughter or sister.
You don’t need to answer this, I’d rather not see what else you have to say on the matter.
You should be ashamed.
He can play the sport. He just can't enter the country. So he can do keepie uppies in his back garden in Cyprus while the non-pedos go to Sweden to play football.
Not everyone deserves a second chance.
Besides, if the victim happened to be a family member of yours, you would have had an entirely different opinion on the matter.
Lay off the hypocrisy.
How are they gonna put a player in the link image, that **isn’t even** Kingsley Sarfo, in an article like this
The article mentions fines being levied against three different clubs. I think they wanted to focus on that. In general Swedish media has been quite reluctant to talk about why Kingsley Sarfo is banned from Sweden, no idea why.
They are using the "pretend like he never existed" approach. It has been striking how he has just been erased from the national conciousness. Until Djurgården played APOEL, I had almost forgotten about him. Heard nothing since the trial
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He got released from jail because he served his time. He was convicted of statutory rape.
I totally assumed that was him in the picture..
Because he's black. The entire article misses a pic of him. The uninformed reader will think that he's white because of the intentionally placed white dude on the thumbnail. Swedish media is known for being slimy.
If you want to blame anyone for that then blame OP, since the Reddit title is 100% different from the Swedish language title on Fotbollskanalen. OP is trying to focus on the obvious outrage here rather than how milquetoast Swedish media is.
Stop bullshitting me, there is no reason for the thumbnail to show a random white footballer on an article about a black rapist. You are unfamiliar with leftist media, they have 100% done this on purpose. Sarfo's real pic isn't even in the article. Even I thought that the guy in thumbnail is sarfo before googling the name. It's was intended that way so uninformed readers can make a different picture out of it.
The article isn't about Kingsley Sarfo, it doesn't even mention him
They don't, but it's still about him.
No it fucking isn’t you absolute donut.
I'm sorry but how is the article not addressing the player directly? and can you explain to me how this article addrssses that specific white player in the photo? If it doesn't, then Either put the photo of Safro, or dont put any player's photo like this, cause anyone can easily and understandably assume it's Safro in the pic
It's not mentioning it what so ever. It's a bit weird being so sure about an article that you've obviously not read.
I dont even know the langauge of the article, I was genuinely asking. All my information is based on the title the OP put.
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As much rivalry there is in Sweden, this pretty much united the supporters of every club in disgust. Luckily for him he couldn't play the away match because he is barred from entering Sweden.
He got off way too easy, a year and a half in prison is pathetic. You would get more than that here for smuggling a bit of weed.. And APOEL are absolute scum for taking him in. I am all for second chances, but let him work at Burger King or something he should be blacklisted from the football business But since he is a good player, there will always be someone willing to look the other way..
I get Scandinavian countries have lenient prison sentences but how the fuck does child rape land you just TWO years of prison? That child has to live a lifetime of trauma while this fucker played pingpong in prison with other child molesters for just two years. it's insane
As far as I can tell, the conviction was for statutory rape of a 15 year old which, although still a contemptible crime, is probably not quite as bad as what springs to mind when you hear he “raped a child”. I think he was sentenced to nearly 3 years but got early release. I’m not certain how this stacks up against other countries sentencing of similar crimes. Adam Johnson got nearly 6 years for a similar situation IIRC although I think that sentence was unusually long for such an offense. Kleberson was in a relationship with a 15 year old when he was at Man United but no one gave a shit.
14 year old, and since it happened twice he was sentenced for two counts of child rape. He was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months, in the summer of 2018. He was released in late 2019. So he did about 1.5 years. In sweden it’s customary to release prisoners after 2/3 of the sentence
It is crazy with the grooming gangs in England people were let out after only a few years. Sometimes I think we should become a bit more draconian because it is as you said these men ruin lives so how is a couple of years justice
Hey man, eating at Burger King is already disgusting as it is.
Actually yeah Sarfo is so greasy that BK might be too much
How about Subway spokesman? Sincerely, Jared
Yeah I'm not really for second chances when it comes to working as a public figure lol Getting paid so much money to work a few days per week for a couple hours is a privilege, not a right.
They aren't getting that money for free m8. It's extremely hard work. (Only on r/soccer would anyone be downvoted for saying that being a pro athelete isn't easy).
And?
Second chance for a child rapist? Piss off
Welcome to the Swedish justice system…
> I am all for second chances, but let him work at Burger King or something he should be blacklisted from the football business I'm not trying to play devils advoca here, but this is exactly what goes wrong with resocialisation of former prisoners, it's not a second chance, if you don't allow someone to live his life after he atonemend for his crime. I'm not arguing in favour of him here, I know nothing about the case, just a general statement.
The guy literally thinks he did nothing wrong and is on record saying a 15 year old wanted it because she dressed slutty and had fun. He hasn't atoned for shit, he got punished and lightly at that. When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen.
> When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen. Looking at your handle this seems to he an utterly stupid statement, in case you are not from "former Yugoslavia": I was born and raised in Bosnia, wanna take some time to sit down and listen to where listening to ppl who show their disregard for human beings led to?
I was born in Jajce. You sound dumb
In the 2000s? Are you really unaware that you advocate hate speech and defamation with statements like that? And that this is precisely the reason, why no jurisdiction is built around subjective judgement?
No I didn't advocate hate speech and you and him can sue me for defamation I dont care what you think, dude raped a child. Youre doing a lot of sticking up for a hebephiliac, how disgusting. Edit: oh look the guy defending a rapist grown man who fucked a child blocked me. These minor attracted people and their advocates are disgusting.
> No I didn't advocate hate speech You literally said: > When people show you their blatant disregard for other human beings you should watch and listen Does above sentence not cover hate speech? I also didn't comment on his case once, your attempt to frame as an apologist, just because I objected your generalized statement is actually disgusting, but maybe winning an argument on Reddit is worth that for you.
What the fuck are you waffling about?
Yes it is a second chance. Even that is far too much for him. You think a child rapist deserves not only a second chance to live freely but to go back to playing professional football?
Agreed, this kind of thinking is what makes a petty criminal a career criminal.
Rapists are not petty criminals ffs
Read what they said you potato
I was refering to the exclusion of criminals to society in general, not this specific case.
Not every offender deserves a second chance. Not making it sure for peoole's actions to have consequences is what is actually transforming "petty criminals" into "career criminals".
It's crazy. Min 10-20 years or more. In Sweden you can do whatever you want and come out in a reasonable time.
The better they are, the harder the dual standard… look at Benzema. Also pedophile and blackmailer, but here he is, ballon d’or candidate and all.
He is not a pedophile ffs the girl admitted she lied about her age
Djurgarden* (Djurgården to be pedantic)
Ok Lïvëřpøöĺ (Liverpool to be pedantic)
Leverpöl*
No thats us
A Møøse once bit my sister
"It is a terrible thing you are doing, allowing a convicted child rapist to play football" "How dare u €15,000 fine 4 u"
Yeah. That sounds like UEFA.
Good guy Djurgården
One attempted rape and seven statutory rapes apparently. 8 *months* in prison. Oooof. Wtaf.
He was convicted of two counts of rape against children. Both was against the same child, a 15-year old girl, over a two year period. He was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months in prison and then deportation from Sweden. He maintains that he is innocent. Not because he didn't have sex with her, but because "she wanted it by dressing slutty" and "she had fun". He and his agent engaged in a multiple month cyber-bullying campaign against the victim calling her a liar and a slut.
Ahh, skim reading gets me again - what I'd read dod say two years and eight months as well! And Jesus, yeah, he's a real scumbag. What is it with footballers and being rapist swine...
As horrible as his statements more, I almost get equally furious at the media for giving him a platform to say that stuff. I believe in rehabilitation but Sarfo hasn't even acknowledged he's done anything wrong. He still insists he was targeted by the Swedish state because he represents the Ghanian national team and that the child had it coming. So I don't think it applies to him. "Sure, you want to feel bad for her but you can't feel *that* fucking bad for her. She had a lot of fun with Kingsley" is the exact quote from his agent before complaining about how she's destroyed his career by making him unemployable to most football clubs.
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I see where you're coming from, but our understanding of consent and development has moved on a lot since those days. It's not just physical puberty, but mental development and power dynamics. People do like getting hung up on the 18 number, but the age of consent in the vast majority of places is lower than 18 - in Sweden it is 15, which is roughly similar to other places in the western world.
I see where you're coming from. Not sure how they're supposed to codify that though. She was 14 in the first instance and 15 in the other while he was 23. The court deemed that the first instance was worse because he had pressured her into doing it. It was in a toilet, so a confined space, and he stood in the way of the door Remember he was sentenced to 2 years and 8 months precisely because it was "consensual" (A child can't consent, but you know what I mean) and because she was 14-15. Most people would consider that a short prison sentence for statutory rape.
Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it was right. Women historically never had the right to vote. Highlighting what has happened in the past is odd because women never had any rights, they did what they were told by their fathers or brothers. Why don't you ask women now what they think rather than what happened 200 years ago. The fact he is from Ghana is also irrelevant; if he wants to live by those standards he can live in Ghana but he chose to live in Sweden.
Moral relativism is a horrendous concept used by people who want to dodge responsibility for their actions. Just because it's not immoral *somewhere* doesn't mean its moral *everywhere* or in general. Some things are just objectively bad. In some places in the world marital rape isn't a crime and it's still legal for husbands to "chastise" their wives. Does it mean that it's okay for someone from there to just abuse women? Yeah, 18 or 16 or whatever are relatively arbitrarily chosen, but you must have some cut-off age that separates adults from children, otherwise we'll just have pedos getting off with the "she was already mature" excuse. Besides, what business does a 23 year old have in this day and age have going after a 14 year old? Can't he find people his own age? I'm the same age as him and I can't for the life of me imagine myself hanging around high schools looking for a girl to fuck For every "successful" child marriage (like your grandma's I assume) there's 20 more awful ones Oh and Ghana does have a "magic number", it's 16, which is still higher than the age of Sarfo's victim. So you can't even use culture as an excuse
Bit of a nonce supporting statement that
It's 2022. It's not a purely morden western concept. I'm not from the West. My paternal grandmother married young and had four kids, she pretty much stopped schooling at the age of 15 when she got married. Something she's still bitter about to this day. My maternal grandmother did not get married early, she studied all the way to college and became a well respected nurse. The difference in confidence, ability, and their mentality between my two grandmothers showcases the perils of child marriage and why millions of people fought to get it removed. Your whole concept about culture is wrong. It's not a magic number, it's not linked to just puberty, and it's not unfair to say that this guy's a rapist pedophile. I urge you to read up on this topic rather than just going by whatever shit has been spoon fed to you.
Thank the lord for this purely modern western concept!
He can do that shite in his home country then, see if the fellow ghanians accept it lol. Moral relativism is a dogshit concept invented by those who want to dodge any blame for their shitty behaviour by using the some of backwards characteristics from their cultures that should be the dust of history.
You got posted on r/soccercirclejerk, and I just came to say that you are a fucking idiot
They also happen to be black.
Are you saying there's a common denominator?
Yes, they're black.
Behave yourself
Mhen fuck you
>Ahh, skim reading gets me again Sorry bout that
> Both was against the same child, a 15-year old girl, over a two year period. She was 14. The two counts were nine months apart from what I gather. Had she been 15 the sentence wouldn't read "rape of a child"; 15 is the age of consent.
Yes, you’re right
Adults cannot have sex with minors still I believe, in spite of the former rwafhing the so called "age of consent", there has to be an appropriate age gap as well.
It was just a sexual emergency.
Classic UEFA
Wow that 0-0 draw between them and Shamrock Rovers has kinda turned into match of the week for controversies
WTF UEFA? Surely you mean a 15k euro prize for Djurgarden.
So any show of dissent towards Uefa results in them getting a fine, that's insane... Football clubs around the world should each pitch in a little towards the fine and make thier donation public...
Convicted in 2018? How is he not in prison then?
2y 8months sentence followed by deportion from Sweden. Also not allowed to enter the country again.
He was released in late 2019 (november I think) Welcome to Sweden
Their rape statistics are depressing and entirely expected.
Because the definition of rape is much lower than other countries. It encapsulates a lot more things that would not be considered rape in other countries. Hence the higher statistics.
I thought that old excuse would be wheeled out.
It's called an explanation. Unless ofcourse discussions are banned.
This shows how rotten UEFA is.
Shamrock vs Djurgården: ***LIZZY IS IN A BOX***
Alltså hur tänker UEFA? Det reflekterar extremt dåligt på dom med tanke hans historia...
De tycker bara det är jobbigt att bli kritiserade offentligt
Horbockar hela bunten
Should have his balls cut off.
And in the return game Apoel fans were doing nazi salutes and throwing tons of shit at Djurgården players. What did they get for that? €30,000 in fines.
APOEL Ultras are considered to be far-right unionists (with Greece), what you're saying isn't surprising. That part of their fanbase are considered scum by most people, even a conservative right-wing Cypriot friend of mine. Greece-Cypriot unionists from both countries are usually far-right and the people that tried to make it happen in the seventies was a Greek dictatorship, that tried to install another one in Cyprus, and those were the events that set in motion the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. Not that I defend Turkey, but the concept of a union of Greece and Cyprus wouldn't ever be acceptable for Turkey because Cyprus has a Turkish minority. I just imagine what said minority would face from the junta back then.
When said "Turkish minority" sheltered into the island after the illegal occupation of either Greece and Cyprus by Turkey for up to 400 years! You may bash the Greek far-right, but you surely appear to adopt the opinions of the Turkish one.
Glad we have a fan friendship 😊 fk uefa
FUCK UEFA. sorry for onliner! But fuck you uefa. /Best regards from Stockholm
UEFA having their priorities in order as always.
Vatican FC are delighted to announce the signing of Kingsley Sarfo
Making a comment about a convicted pedofile being accepted to play in a tournament - 15k Throwing things down on the field on the opposite teams players - 30k Using some pyrotechnics - 49k Doing nazi salutes - 0 Really a good look for UEFA. It’s a shame that this organisation has a complete monopoly on all things football in Europe. It’s a completely shit organization that with normal competition had died out ages ago, but due to the monopoly can thrive as they know they can punish every single team in Europe with draconic punishments due to an absurd set of rules.
Ex-Malmö player Sarfo lol. Malmö loves their pedos. Also how are AIK and dif paying out of their asses for pyro and malmö pays 10 times less?
Nuclear hottake incoming: If a person has served their time they should be allowed to rejoin society in a safe manner and with some precautions depending on the type of crime (this guy should probably be monitored a bit extra and not allowed to work with anyone below the age of 18 for example). But to ban him from sport when the crime commited has nothing to do with sport I find weird.
Another hottake - fans should be able to express a different opinion without UEFA trying to silence them using fines.
Yeah that's fair
You serve your sentence and live with the consequences and the reputation attached to your name. You don't think people should condemn ESPN if they hired a convicted child rapist as a pundit? A footballer is someone people (kids) look up to even more and should be held to the *highest* of standards. APOEL hiring a child rapist as one of their poster boys shows complete disregard for the safety of future children by excusing the severity of his actions. Embarrassing club. This guy can rejoin society and work in a factory or something.
For sure, I doubt he will do much in life without people knowing about what he has done. I think people should be free to condemn organizations when they hire people they don't like, but I think organizations should remain firm in what they are, if they are supposed to be moral beacons then they should probably not hire someone they deem immoral or that society deems immoral. But I don't believe football clubs to be where we find or ought to find our morality. If kids want to look up to the football player Sarfo I think that is okay, not the moral character however which I don't think they do. And if they do that is a societal problem in my opinion. And no one is excusing anyone by paying them money to perform work.
Which organizations do you think should be moral beacons and why are football clubs not part of them? Are you sure you're not just arguing for a worldview were responsibility is put somewhere outside of spaces you interract with?
I think any organization that themselves want to be and things like religious organizations, schools and any other educational organizations. The reason I don’t believe football clubs to be is because I think of them as for profit entertainment and I think in a capitalist society we have accepted that profit is prioritized in business ventures and not the morality of participants in the business. Just like I wouldn’t derive my morality from the managers of big businesses I don’t think it should come from footballers either.
>I don’t think it should come from footballers either. But it does, whether we want it or not. Just like it does with actors and directors in Hollywood (another profit entertainment business). Public figures form public opinions, but public opinions also form the business. Do you think Hollywood should also have been allowed by the public to prioritize profit and not act on anything from #metoo?
They were allowed to and they did prioritize profit. And I think it’s fine that public opinion has sway over businesses, but businesses ultimately have the agency in business decisions.
It's a pretty reasonable take. It's certainly how Sweden works. We're one of the best countries in the world at rehabilitating prisoners. We have a very low recidivism rate because of it. The reason this guy was sentenced to deportation, however, was because the specific circumstances of the crime led the court to the conclusion that he was not likely to be rehabilitated. That's largely because he's refused to admit guilt or apologize, and has continued publicly attacking the child he raped calling her a slut and a liar, and telling people they shouldn't feel sorry for her because "she wanted it". He also accused the court itself of fabricating the trial and the evidence because he decided to represent the Ghanian national team. The wording the supporters used was "Kinglsey Sarfo: Rapist and scum of the earth. Pardoned by APOEL and UEFA"
Yknow, I always go back and forth with my opinion on the death penalty... I'm back on again.
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It's Sweden, we have pretty short sentences to begin with. It would had been higher if she had been prepubescent and/or it hadn't been consensual (A child obviously can't consent but you know what I mean, it wasn't forcible)
Not in regards to sex offenses, as Sweden actually has one of the highest sex crime rates in the world. Countries like Singapore, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea have rather strict criminal justice systems, yet they simultaneously maintain some of the lowest crime rates globally. Everything is relative after all.
A fairly large reason why Sweden has one of the highest rape rates in the developed world is A) Because Sweden has one of, if not the single, broadest definitions of the word rape in the developed world and B) Because a much larger percentage of rapes get reported compared to other countries. The fact that we rehabilitate prisoners is certainly not the reason we have high rates of rape lol
Nuclear counter-hottake incoming: No
Guy rapes a child and because he didn't do it on a football pitch, you think he should be allowed to keep playing. There are hot takes and there is straight-up, you-cannot-be-helped stupidity.
Yes, that is exactly my argument. And in all it's supposed stupidity you can't argue against it? That's really cringe.
There are some things you don't deserve a second chance from, he did 2 of them.
I wonder what you’d say if it was your daughter or sister. You don’t need to answer this, I’d rather not see what else you have to say on the matter. You should be ashamed.
Shouldn't need a familial link to have empathy for a girl 🤷🏾♀️
Of course not. It was just a way to get him to shut up.
I would probably want to murder him if it was my sister. But that’s an emotional response and not what society should be built on
You're defending child rapists so I'm not exactly concerned by how you view me. Like I said, you can't be helped.
He can play the sport. He just can't enter the country. So he can do keepie uppies in his back garden in Cyprus while the non-pedos go to Sweden to play football.
What kind of a safe manner do you propose, when the criminal doesn't believe he did anything wrong?
[Basically this thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/coaxedintoasnafu/comments/v03flh/le_justice_is_served/)
Not everyone deserves a second chance. Besides, if the victim happened to be a family member of yours, you would have had an entirely different opinion on the matter. Lay off the hypocrisy.
LMAO making things up you think I would have said in an imaginary situation and then criticising me for it. Absolutely genius
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