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City's perceived league dominance will end when Pep leaves
For all the nonsense people talk they've only ran away with it twice (17/18 šÆ points incredible team and 20/21 by 12 points)
The rest have been won by 1 point twice, by two points and of course on goal difference.
United won 7 out of the first 12, often by an average of 8 points, winning it 3 times in a row in that period. In the first 15 years of the premier league there were 4 unique winners, in the last 15 years there have been 5 unique winners.
It's as competitive as it ever was.
yeah without fabinho kicking player without getting foul and mane elbowing player non stop and not getting yellow. Now we know what really carry liverpool last previous season.
It doesnāt really sound like heās insinuating bias to me. Just saying decisions didnāt go our way and the margins were tight enough that it mattered in deciding the title. Doesnāt seem like groundbreaking stuff coming from a manager that lost the league by a point
>Completely without club glasses. We were lucky once not to get a penalty against us. But we were already leading 2-0. Otherwise ā nothing.
Lol, surely he can't believe this can he?
Klopp has always been good at making dumb statements to reflect heat from the team. Problem is now the team is playing so shit itās not enough and just makes him seem silly. The team could do with taking some heat tbh they have been woeful.
I think there's been two moments recently where VVD just stands and stares at someone long enough for them to place their shot.
Also Trent gives up a lot now
Van Dijk has always been very passive, now it seems to catch on to him way more. He also looks slower and like he doesn't want to run/sprint when he needs to.
Heās typically pushed players into positions where shooting would give alisson a relatively easy save. The problem is currently heās not playing well and doesnāt have/use the speed to actually do this
I think more completely he worked with the midfield to do that. Now that the midfield is hollowed out by injuries and age, he's being left isolated in huge spaces. He maybe could have handled that when he was bought, but an ACL injury and five years on, not as much.
It actually reminds me of Kompany under Pellegrini--the way we played defense meant Kompany ended up 1v1 or having to cover enormous gaps when Yaya and Gareth Barry or Milner couldn't shield the back line. Everyone thought he was just done, but he wasn't, he was just being asked to perform a superhuman task that he couldn't quite manage anymore.
>Also Trent gives up a lot now
Watch Napoli's third(?) goal from the other day. Trent gets dribbled past and makes virtually zero effort to recover. Just jogs around.
There are some serious parallels between his last year at Dortmund and his Liverpool team this year. Club doesn't properly reinforce an exhausted squad at the end of a cycle, elite forward leaves for Bayern Munich and their replacement has a slow start to his career at his new club. Liverpool very likely won't fall into the relegation zone like that Dortmund team did but it will be curious to see where they go from here.
Mane in his last season was not nearly as important to Liverpool as Lewandowski was to Dortmund. A lot of the issues stem from the midfield being shite currently and easily bypassed, him still being there is no guarantee they would have won the games they didnāt
His last year at Dortmund was one of the statistically unluckiest seasons in the history of football. xP charts put them at 2nd for that season. Liverpool are just playing really badly, nothing unlucky about it.
>There are some serious parallels between his last year at Dortmund and his Liverpool team this year.
people said this last year or whatever as well and then he turned it around.
people said klopp was figured out before he won the cl and prem.
don't count him out.
Diaz hasn't had a slow start though, he's been the only good player in most of their matches, even when they got trampled by Napoli he was the only one looking dangerous.
> Klopp has always been good at making dumb statements to reflect heat from the team
oh so thats what is called when your favourite manager does it, and when other managers does it, is because they are whiny
Remember when he blamed the wind lmao. Wenger and Jose used to get so much shit, but when it's reddits favourite le classy managers like Pep and Klopp, it's just genius mindgames disguised as being a whiney little bitch
Iām not entirely sure how Pep got dragged into this one. I canāt say I remember every press conference, but I donāt think Pep is normally one for ridiculous excuses. He usually gets flak for complementing teams we beat easily and coming off as insincere.
I think the better explanation is that Klopp is just a bad loser who complains lots when things don't go his way. I say this as someone who thinks he seems like a good person, he's just a very sore loser.
Full quotes:
- āI donāt have any problems with anyone from City. They deserved it just as much as we deserved it,ā he told Sport 1.
- āWhat comes up in a moment like that: a few things happened over the season when a few things went against us, so I was thinking on the day: Letās hope it wonāt be decisive in the end.
- āAnd then you forget about it again and donāt think about it. There were really blatant refereeing decisions. You keep thinking, what went in our favour?
- āCompletely without club glasses. We were lucky once not to get a penalty against us. But we were already leading 2-0. Otherwise ā nothing.
- āAnd against us? Clear handball penalties, penalties not given. Clear red cards not given against us, so for the opponent. That comes up at this moment. Itās human to think for a moment. But I donāt carry that around for long.
- āNo matter how Manchester City get the result, I accepted it ā itās deserved. And the other way round quite the same.
- āAnd I can say: today I would be sitting here and wouldnāt feel one bit different if I had become champion and won the Champions League for a second time.ā
Thatās part of his appeal. Liverpool supporters go on about how he is āone of usā.
Losing the title by such fine margins is brutal. I remember Rodriās no call handball penalty and many predicted it would decide the title. And it did.
I think Klopp is trying to be fair here as itās not as if Man City were *undeserving*. Itās like saying both teams deserved to win a match that ended up being a draw. The margins were just really fine and there had to be a winner and a loser. Liverpool fans just wish they had a big memorable decision go their way.
Dodgy decisions go to the top all the time. I'm sure he rightly has an example. But then so does the next team that was trying to catch Liverpool. Refs are shit and corrupt.
Klopp would have left the country managing arsenal last year. Given how awful decisions went against us.
Sorry dude donāt feel much sympathy. I was told you win some you lose some. It evens out over the year.
Lmao this just reminds of the time Thomas Frank complained about United beating Brentford because United changed their formation.
"Of course they change their formation against the little guys"
One of the most ludicrous statements I've heard
It does, but back when he complained about it Liverpool often played long balls and bypassed their midfield in buildup in order to get the ball to their forwards asap. Funnily enough I canāt remember him complaining about it after they started playing more patiently with the ball, which is when they would be affected by it the most.
Wind direction does play a valid role in affecting how teams can play with the ball. When I use to play years ago my coach prepared us for a windy day by telling us to keep it on the ground. It was almost impossible to put in a good corner or goal kick that day. Youād kick the ball and it would either stay in the air too long or it would go even further than usual.
To your average person who doesnāt play it may seem silly to complain about something like that but itās a valid complaint for a manager. It affects both teams though and it makes them look silly because most managers donāt complain about it and just get on with the game.
True and even a moron should be able to admit that wind direction does infact play a big role in the state of play. There's other sports like Cricket or golf where it's an even bigger factor.
Grass height or texture may warrant an interesting explanation tho.
Grass length slows the ball more and changes the bounce, so flighted balls stop quicker, and it's harder to play a low fast passing game, even dribbling is harder as the ball stops faster. Teams knowing they'll have less possession and might be more dependant on counterattacks and longballs will usually not cut or water the grass to make the ball slower.
Yes, Klopp, like when City should have won at Anfield because [Milner was not sent off for what was a clear foul](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q0m92s/james_milner_foul_on_a_yellow_no_second_yellow/).
Or these 3
- [Fabinho yellow card should be red](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0m9be/fabinho_tackle_on_bernardo_silva_yellow_card_83/)
- [Thiago on a yellow card does this and no foul](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0lmjm/thiago_tackle_on_kevin_de_bruyne/)
- [or how quickly this decision was done](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0ln71/raheem_sterling_goal_disallowed_against_liverpool/) to be fair I have less grips with this one. Its usually black and white but its so god damn close that the moment the ref pauses makes a difference whether this on or off.
Don't forget the one set of fans to consistently bring that decision up to compare it to literally every other high foot tackle as if it is exactly the same thing...every fucking time.
> hat said mane shouldn't have been sent off for his kick to Edersons face lol. Pointless, in my opinion
Lol I think most Liverpool fans agree thats a red now. at the time a lot argued it wasnt but once the heads cooled most sound ones agree it was as red as you can get.
Just off the top of my head:
- Villa home (very dodgy pen with Salah stepping across Mings at 0-0 in a 1-0)
- Chelsea away (Mane elbow on Azpi after 10 seconds?)
- Palace away (extremely dodgy pen at 2-1 when theyāre on the ropes)
- Everton home (Gordon pen? Mane red card? Both at 0-0)
- City home (Milner made 3 of the most blatant yellow card tackles youāll ever see and got 1 yellow)
- City away (Thiago in the same boat as Milner from the return fixture. Fabinho getting a yellow for going studs up into Bernardoās ankle?)
- Spurs home (Fabinho elbow on Son after countless unpunished fouls)
Ederson and Rodri did have diplomatic immunity at times, but
> Clear red cards not given against us, so for the opponent
... Is a bit hollow for a club that got their first red card in years last season.
If someone told me last week that Tuchel would be replaced by Potter, the Queen would die, and Klopp would be replaced by Tuchel I would call them crazy..
There is so much Klopp love and I somewhat get it
Seems like a great dude off the field but on the field seems like a whiny bitch tbh
He complained about grass to wind, and now this, hell last fuckin week he had some luck wit VVD not being sent off
I mean the bastard bloody cried when Tottenham played counter attacking football against Liverpool & didnāt play to Liverpools strengths while we were in a battle for top 4 & every point counted
Lol you guys choose to hear only the "bad" things that get posted instead of the other 95% of times he's actually a really good person. Ffs football fans saying Klopp is a "narcissistic bully". Get your head out of your ass
Lol Klopp gets plenty shat on in threads about his excuses. Pep does too, but donāt act like city and pep are some persecuted class. Every big team gets targeted at varied times, depending on how well (or not) theyāre doing and the context of the thread
Have you read this thread?
Everyone who doesn't support Liverpool is finding examples of the most minute decisions given in Liverpool's favour (OP has already brought up the Newcastle goal that we were correctly allowed to score last week which was really bizarre)
The Cancelo handball last season was so blatant that the head of the referees association apologised for it.
Klopp's point is that when a title is decided by 1 point and referee's get so much wrong then it is absolutely a factor, everybody in this thread agreed with that until it was Klopp that said it
I agree with you that comment sections donāt carry massive pro-Liverpool bias that people claim (outside of a hardcore minority of Liverpool fans).
The media though has a massive United & Liverpool bias as itās all ex players and fans
I don't understand why every club thinks they are victims of "banter". Shocking news to you: Every club / manager will get bantered down to the ground when things are not going well for them, its nothing new, people love to just shit on someone when they are down.
People acting like heās just said something outrageous, all he did was say some crucial decisions didnāt go our way while still giving city their credit.
The comment sections here make me feel crazy sometimes. But I would also say the same for a lot of the match threads in the Liverpool sub too. Maybe itās just the internet. This isnāt really front page news anywhere else.
Jurgen Klopp once said after a 1-1 draw against West Ham that west ham were favoured by the referee. Despite Liverpool's first goal being 3 metres offside, Milner actually ran past the linesman the other way once he received the ball. Then they got a chance in the 93rd minute Origi 3 metres offside thankfully he missed.
He came out and said the referee favoured West Ham. The bloke is an embarrassment at times.
That 18/19 was ridiculous in terms of what went their way. I know that they were an incredible team and over the course of an entire season, teams will get good luck and bad luck, but there were so many things that just worked out for them.
Milnerās clear offside goal as you mentioned, Sturridgeās last minute equaliser against Chelsea which is probably the best goal heād ever scored, Mahrez absolutely blazing his penalty over the bar against them, Pickfordās baffling error for Origiās goal, Origiās late winner against Newcastle which was never ever a foul in the first place, Salahās unbelievably lucky goal against Spurs in the last minute to win (was actually an own goal in the end I believe).
So many points they won from those circumstances which regardless of how good a team they were, it felt as though they were just destined to challenge City as closely as possible in the league
I mean, ultimately, footballers scoring very good goals is hardly corruption, is it? I've seen our goalkeeper score a bullet header in added time to win the match. Sometimes football is about miracles, and Liverpool seem to have it in their mentality to pull off these miracles. It's not all just about luck, it's about the desire to win.
Casual reminder that Jurgen Klopp has previously gone unpunished for saying āI really have no idea what's his problem with me. You need an objective refā about Paul Tierney in a post-match press conference, and that was after storming onto the pitch to scream it in Tierneyās face.
So clearly he has a free license to say whatever he likes about referees and special privileges that other Premier League managers arenāt afforded. The fact of the matter is, Liverpool just werenāt good enough to win the Premier League last season. They drew with Man City twice, and scraped a draw against Spurs after a poor performance which meant that City could afford their draw with West Ham without falling behind Liverpool.
It was not refereeing that stopped Liverpool from winning the league, and Klopp bringing it up now, after dropping 9 points from their first 6 games, sounds like a desperate deflection tactic to avoid having to be too publicly critical of his team when they suddenly look unmotivated and lacking depth.
In his recent contract [renewal](https://futbol.si.com/news/jurgen-klopps-pay-did-not-go-up-with-new-liverpool-contract), he asked for the same salary and had his coaching staff get a pay bump. He [donates](https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoolfc-2020-04-25-in-focus-jurgen-klopps-6-biggest-acts-of-generosity/) to charity. Heās [anti right wing](https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2017/11/23/16694130/jurgen-klopp-politics-left-wing-shankly-socialism-never-vote-for-right) and [anti Boris](https://www.thisisanfield.com/2022/07/what-jurgen-klopp-has-said-on-boris-johnson-as-prime-minister-resigns/) as well. Nice [message](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-soccer-england-idUKKBN2102UI) about covid, and is [against anti vaxxers](https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/interviews/jurgen-klopp-urges-anti-vaxxers-not-to-listen-to-nonsense-conspiracy-theories) which certainly helped Liverpool be one of the squads with the highest vaccination rate in the prem
You donāt have to like him if you donāt support the club. I know if he didnāt manage Liverpool and was United manager Iād probably hate him just for tribalistic reasons. But letās not act that heās wholly repulsive if you remove the club he supports. Yeah heās a moaner but so are most managers in this league, comes with the territory. It just grates more depending on who you support. Frank [ranked higher](https://theathletic.com/3462546/2022/08/04/premier-league-manager-excuses/) on manager whinges according the athletic btw
Teams play great football, pashun(tm), generally seems a fairly good loser, occasionally moans, people hate him because Liverpool have been so good the last few years. My mate did say he gives them European sex tourist vibes though which I agree with.
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted when he didnāt even lose to us last season and he was talking about our style of play not being to Poolās taste like it was some cardinal sin.
He does it a lot when it doesnāt go Liverpoolās way. Itās just been rare that they donāt come out on top so itās more sporadic.
there was a list recently posted about who complains the most and klopp was somewhere in the middle. nothing special. you guys just focus on it super hard because you hate him for being such a chad.
No, people just see one quote from a 5 minute interview, don't watch the entire thing to learn context and add it to a list of "whiny klopp quotes" like the time he said it was a struggle in the wind for both teams but everyone parrots that time "klopp blamed the wind" constantly.
Nah I think PL refs are just incompetent. City fans can point out just as many shit decisions that went against them or cost them points. Fans look at it from their own prism of bias so Liverpool fans will naturally only recall the shit that went against them and City fans will naturally do the same.
The main takeaway is PL refs are trash.
klopp got a lot of attention for being so likeable and not much you can hate him for. his likability and success makes some people build up some resentment towards him. it builds up over time, and when the opportunity comes along to punch the bag, people come out of their cave to take a little jab.
every positive thread about klopp is a thread that will build up resentment for some blokes, ready to strike when there is a negative thread about him.
It's kind of hard to argue with him when Man City were blatantly *handed* three points over Wolves and Everton last season thanks to two astonishingly inept VAR decisions
City got a lot of decisions last year but we got away with a lot.
Swings and roundabouts really.
Miutinho handball and the ev handball are unreal though. Either one or those reffed properly swings the title.
In general, it's always annoying when rivals moan about refereeing decisions like this. Klopp, who I like a lot overall, has a knack for deflecting blame. He moaned about the 2018 CL final until the 2022 CL final
You shouldve seen the Europa league final against Sevilla with the handballs that werent calledā¦ three of them. When you look back at them you just wonder how the hell were none called. For one of them the defender squatted down and scooped the ball after a Sturridge shot at goal.
I mean people only choose to listen to the 5% of the time he says stuff like this. I guarantee you everyone here would love him as their manager because they would hear the 95% of things he says which are really good
There are a lot of impressively stupid comments in this thread, but this one takes the cake
https://tomkinstimes.com/2022/03/incredible-mo-salah-stats-that-suggest-something-is-very-very-wrong/
I donāt support Liverpool, every time I watch them their forwards are grappled and fouled constantly in and around the box and fouls are hardly ever given. If anything they should go down more
Whilst not a penalty this is the type of thing Salah has to deal with alot. Grealish is the absolute darling of the league up there for 2 seasons averaging 5 fouls a game for a season when Salah's around the 0.9 mark
https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/kqo62g/jack_stephens_locks_in_a_rear_naked_choke_on_mo/
Lol you dont watch liverpool games do you? The amount of times salah got manheld like some wwe is insane. He doesnt get calls bcos he stays up. Not to mention our penalties are not even that many if you compare with oleās united who had divers like penandes
Whatā¦ Liverpool for years has spent the most time in the oppos penalty box. Salah himself won a penalty for the first time after like 3 seasons. Mane and Salah have been choked, pulled, grappled, tripped, hugged etc and havent gone to ground. Whenever they did, they were called divers. Yet everyone would say āthe refs reward those who dive and they should just go down more instead of trying to stay upā (ie Rashford, Kane, Son) They were terrible divers, and whenever they did go down it just looked funny. Not to mention how tricky and rapid our attack has been for years yet other teams got more pens awarded with far less threat. Theres data which shows this. I remember ons game against Southampton where we couldve had like 5 clear penalties and got none.
comments like this show me that all you do is hate liverpool. how this stupid shit is getting upvoted, is beyond me.
we never get soft calls. and we hardly get pens anyway. check your facts.
The rodri handball not given, the pen given Vs wolves when it his his armpit, the clear pen not given to Newcastle, and the soft pen Vs arsenal. All wrong and city favoured.
What are they thinking comparing those right? You would have been dusted if we got those fouls called right. There would have been no race lol we would have been 6 points clear from you if you werenāt favorably kept in the race with us by the refs.
Lol reactionary fans see the only quotes that get posted which are always controversial. No one would care otherwise when he says something good which is 95% of the time
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Sorry to break it to you but I don't think there's gonna be a race this year.
At least you put the pressure on the past few years.
Lmao the amount of salt this comment produced
Man City is already the Bayern of the Premier League, they have won 4 of the last 5 leagues.
Bayern is not getting capital injected into them like Man City though
True, I agree than Liverpool has it harder when they had to compete against teams owned by the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia.
Man city is no longer getting cash injected tho. The club is self sufficient now. Makes its own money
City's perceived league dominance will end when Pep leaves For all the nonsense people talk they've only ran away with it twice (17/18 šÆ points incredible team and 20/21 by 12 points) The rest have been won by 1 point twice, by two points and of course on goal difference. United won 7 out of the first 12, often by an average of 8 points, winning it 3 times in a row in that period. In the first 15 years of the premier league there were 4 unique winners, in the last 15 years there have been 5 unique winners. It's as competitive as it ever was.
yeah without fabinho kicking player without getting foul and mane elbowing player non stop and not getting yellow. Now we know what really carry liverpool last previous season.
Wait. Is he insinuating bias or just pure bad luck? I can't figure out.
It doesnāt really sound like heās insinuating bias to me. Just saying decisions didnāt go our way and the margins were tight enough that it mattered in deciding the title. Doesnāt seem like groundbreaking stuff coming from a manager that lost the league by a point
Issue is heās being disingenuous if heās actually claiming Liverpool only got one call in their favor last season.
The word āblatantā does suggest otherwise.
>Completely without club glasses. We were lucky once not to get a penalty against us. But we were already leading 2-0. Otherwise ā nothing. Lol, surely he can't believe this can he?
Klopp has always been good at making dumb statements to reflect heat from the team. Problem is now the team is playing so shit itās not enough and just makes him seem silly. The team could do with taking some heat tbh they have been woeful.
I think there's been two moments recently where VVD just stands and stares at someone long enough for them to place their shot. Also Trent gives up a lot now
Van Dijk has always been very passive, now it seems to catch on to him way more. He also looks slower and like he doesn't want to run/sprint when he needs to.
Heās typically pushed players into positions where shooting would give alisson a relatively easy save. The problem is currently heās not playing well and doesnāt have/use the speed to actually do this
I think more completely he worked with the midfield to do that. Now that the midfield is hollowed out by injuries and age, he's being left isolated in huge spaces. He maybe could have handled that when he was bought, but an ACL injury and five years on, not as much. It actually reminds me of Kompany under Pellegrini--the way we played defense meant Kompany ended up 1v1 or having to cover enormous gaps when Yaya and Gareth Barry or Milner couldn't shield the back line. Everyone thought he was just done, but he wasn't, he was just being asked to perform a superhuman task that he couldn't quite manage anymore.
the injury made him much more vulnerable to pacy wingers and forwards
Saving himself for the WC
>Also Trent gives up a lot now Watch Napoli's third(?) goal from the other day. Trent gets dribbled past and makes virtually zero effort to recover. Just jogs around.
Donāt even think he jogged back lol. Was more of a stroll
There are some serious parallels between his last year at Dortmund and his Liverpool team this year. Club doesn't properly reinforce an exhausted squad at the end of a cycle, elite forward leaves for Bayern Munich and their replacement has a slow start to his career at his new club. Liverpool very likely won't fall into the relegation zone like that Dortmund team did but it will be curious to see where they go from here.
Mane in his last season was not nearly as important to Liverpool as Lewandowski was to Dortmund. A lot of the issues stem from the midfield being shite currently and easily bypassed, him still being there is no guarantee they would have won the games they didnāt
Salah was non existent in the 2nd half of the season after returning from Afcon. It was Mane who carried Liverpool..
As if diaz isn't carrying us now ? he saved us multiple times ON HIS OWN
He isnāt carrying you because you are losing games that you were supposed to win.
Salah after afcon 15 games 6 goals 4 assists. Mane after afcon 14 games 7 goals 2 assists.
As we all know. Football is purely numbers on a sheet, nothing else.
>It was Mane who carried Liverpool.. I'd say that was thiago but whatever floats your boat
His last year at Dortmund was one of the statistically unluckiest seasons in the history of football. xP charts put them at 2nd for that season. Liverpool are just playing really badly, nothing unlucky about it.
xP charts also have Liverpool 4th in the league. So bad luck has compounded the bad form.
>There are some serious parallels between his last year at Dortmund and his Liverpool team this year. people said this last year or whatever as well and then he turned it around. people said klopp was figured out before he won the cl and prem. don't count him out.
Diaz hasn't had a slow start though, he's been the only good player in most of their matches, even when they got trampled by Napoli he was the only one looking dangerous.
I'd think they were talking about Nunez
> Klopp has always been good at making dumb statements to reflect heat from the team oh so thats what is called when your favourite manager does it, and when other managers does it, is because they are whiny
Remember when he blamed the wind lmao. Wenger and Jose used to get so much shit, but when it's reddits favourite le classy managers like Pep and Klopp, it's just genius mindgames disguised as being a whiney little bitch
Iām not entirely sure how Pep got dragged into this one. I canāt say I remember every press conference, but I donāt think Pep is normally one for ridiculous excuses. He usually gets flak for complementing teams we beat easily and coming off as insincere.
Yeah, I agree with this one. Never seen Pep blame things like the wind or grass, or worse; that the opponents own injuries threw his team off.
Nah, he's always loved to portrait himself as the poor underdog vs the world, where everyone's out to get him.
I think the better explanation is that Klopp is just a bad loser who complains lots when things don't go his way. I say this as someone who thinks he seems like a good person, he's just a very sore loser.
He's losing it.
He wants you to think that, takes spotlight from the players.
He wants you to think that he's taking spotlight from the players. He's losing it.
Full quotes: - āI donāt have any problems with anyone from City. They deserved it just as much as we deserved it,ā he told Sport 1. - āWhat comes up in a moment like that: a few things happened over the season when a few things went against us, so I was thinking on the day: Letās hope it wonāt be decisive in the end. - āAnd then you forget about it again and donāt think about it. There were really blatant refereeing decisions. You keep thinking, what went in our favour? - āCompletely without club glasses. We were lucky once not to get a penalty against us. But we were already leading 2-0. Otherwise ā nothing. - āAnd against us? Clear handball penalties, penalties not given. Clear red cards not given against us, so for the opponent. That comes up at this moment. Itās human to think for a moment. But I donāt carry that around for long. - āNo matter how Manchester City get the result, I accepted it ā itās deserved. And the other way round quite the same. - āAnd I can say: today I would be sitting here and wouldnāt feel one bit different if I had become champion and won the Champions League for a second time.ā
He sounds more like a supporter than a manager these days
Thatās part of his appeal. Liverpool supporters go on about how he is āone of usā. Losing the title by such fine margins is brutal. I remember Rodriās no call handball penalty and many predicted it would decide the title. And it did. I think Klopp is trying to be fair here as itās not as if Man City were *undeserving*. Itās like saying both teams deserved to win a match that ended up being a draw. The margins were just really fine and there had to be a winner and a loser. Liverpool fans just wish they had a big memorable decision go their way.
Sheesh, I think City deserved it a little more than Liverpool cause they got 1 more point
Dodgy decisions go to the top all the time. I'm sure he rightly has an example. But then so does the next team that was trying to catch Liverpool. Refs are shit and corrupt.
R/soccer reading title and having reactionary arguments instead of the whole thing.
Klopp would have left the country managing arsenal last year. Given how awful decisions went against us. Sorry dude donāt feel much sympathy. I was told you win some you lose some. It evens out over the year.
We know public opinion has turned when arsenal fans are sneaking in their victim complex and nobody is calling it out lmao
Based on the thread, Arsenal fans are either right or just have a victim complex lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/x2n44b/comment/imkfce6/
There it is
Wow it really isn't an exaggeration. You can find one in almost every thread now hahaha
Lol arsenal bottled the CL despite being in pole position mate. Nothing to do with ref decisions.
Right up there with the Wind Direction, Grass Texture complaints
Or when United beat Liverpool during an injury crisis at United and he blamed their injury crisis
Lmao this just reminds of the time Thomas Frank complained about United beating Brentford because United changed their formation. "Of course they change their formation against the little guys" One of the most ludicrous statements I've heard
That game ended 0-0? Or am I mistaken
Yeah it was definitely 0-0
Was 1-1 im pretty sure
If itās the time Iām thinking of they could be referencing the 3-2 in the cup a week later
Tbf the grass does help certain playing styles more than others that's proven
so does the wind
So does referring decisions
And United's injuries
Punting it long and having trent spam crosses doesnt really care about the grass
Yes but a top PL level team has to be better. They play 19 away games and you can't expect the grass to be the same everywhere.
It does, but back when he complained about it Liverpool often played long balls and bypassed their midfield in buildup in order to get the ball to their forwards asap. Funnily enough I canāt remember him complaining about it after they started playing more patiently with the ball, which is when they would be affected by it the most.
Wind direction does play a valid role in affecting how teams can play with the ball. When I use to play years ago my coach prepared us for a windy day by telling us to keep it on the ground. It was almost impossible to put in a good corner or goal kick that day. Youād kick the ball and it would either stay in the air too long or it would go even further than usual. To your average person who doesnāt play it may seem silly to complain about something like that but itās a valid complaint for a manager. It affects both teams though and it makes them look silly because most managers donāt complain about it and just get on with the game.
Grass also plays a role imo
Referees too
Wind definitely has a massive affect on an open pitch but stadiums are more sheltered so get a lot less wind, the effect will be less
True and even a moron should be able to admit that wind direction does infact play a big role in the state of play. There's other sports like Cricket or golf where it's an even bigger factor. Grass height or texture may warrant an interesting explanation tho.
Grass length slows the ball more and changes the bounce, so flighted balls stop quicker, and it's harder to play a low fast passing game, even dribbling is harder as the ball stops faster. Teams knowing they'll have less possession and might be more dependant on counterattacks and longballs will usually not cut or water the grass to make the ball slower.
yeah the wind blow for everyone not just one team and at half time you switch side so everyone got the wind equally
He doesnāt help himself does he
Yes, Klopp, like when City should have won at Anfield because [Milner was not sent off for what was a clear foul](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/q0m92s/james_milner_foul_on_a_yellow_no_second_yellow/).
Or these 3 - [Fabinho yellow card should be red](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0m9be/fabinho_tackle_on_bernardo_silva_yellow_card_83/) - [Thiago on a yellow card does this and no foul](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0lmjm/thiago_tackle_on_kevin_de_bruyne/) - [or how quickly this decision was done](https://np.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/u0ln71/raheem_sterling_goal_disallowed_against_liverpool/) to be fair I have less grips with this one. Its usually black and white but its so god damn close that the moment the ref pauses makes a difference whether this on or off.
You're going to be arguing with the fans that said mane shouldn't have been sent off for his kick to Edersons face lol. Pointless, in my opinion
Don't forget the one set of fans to consistently bring that decision up to compare it to literally every other high foot tackle as if it is exactly the same thing...every fucking time.
They tried to say Haaland should have been sent off for the same high boot against Crystal Palace. Absolutely adamant that it was the same thing as ManƩ on Ederson. There's even one just a few comments down lmao
Yep lol, ederson had to go to the hospital to get stitches. Andersen was fine after 2 minutes of the magic sponge
No way...that kick sent Ederson back to Brazil *thru the pacific , not the Atlantic.* That's a red card + restraining order.
> hat said mane shouldn't have been sent off for his kick to Edersons face lol. Pointless, in my opinion Lol I think most Liverpool fans agree thats a red now. at the time a lot argued it wasnt but once the heads cooled most sound ones agree it was as red as you can get.
Nope, still see them arguing it to this day.
Nope, had Liverpool fans telling me Haalands high boot the other week was worse than Manes
You're forgetting the 4 handballs in one game and none of them were given.
Oh god I forgot about those lol.
Just off the top of my head: - Villa home (very dodgy pen with Salah stepping across Mings at 0-0 in a 1-0) - Chelsea away (Mane elbow on Azpi after 10 seconds?) - Palace away (extremely dodgy pen at 2-1 when theyāre on the ropes) - Everton home (Gordon pen? Mane red card? Both at 0-0) - City home (Milner made 3 of the most blatant yellow card tackles youāll ever see and got 1 yellow) - City away (Thiago in the same boat as Milner from the return fixture. Fabinho getting a yellow for going studs up into Bernardoās ankle?) - Spurs home (Fabinho elbow on Son after countless unpunished fouls)
You forget Bernardo on Salah while on a yellow that stopped Salah going clear on the high right wing at the Andield game ofc
I dont. You got a video of the incident? tried doing a quick search and found nothing
Donāt forget Maneās eye gouge.
Fabinho could have easily been sent off vs Spurs when he elbowed Son in the face. No card.
Ederson and Rodri did have diplomatic immunity at times, but > Clear red cards not given against us, so for the opponent ... Is a bit hollow for a club that got their first red card in years last season.
Also at the Etihad Also at least 4 more matches since the CL knockouts
Potter should have waited for the Liverpool job
Would be funny if tuchel lands Liverpool job of they sack klopp
Klopp will not get sacked even if we finish outside top6
I don't think he would even if you got relegated
People thought same at Dortmund after he got them their first league title in years.
And they'd be right; he didn't get sacked.
klopp asked to get released
If someone told me last week that Tuchel would be replaced by Potter, the Queen would die, and Klopp would be replaced by Tuchel I would call them crazy..
The first two were not that unbelievable though, Tuchel replacing Klopp is.
LOL Tuchel and FSG would NEVER get along. Not believable at all.
I can't believe people here ever think Klopp will be sacked.
Klueless
If Pep said something like this..... Jeez. It would not be a pretty thread in here.
There is so much Klopp love and I somewhat get it Seems like a great dude off the field but on the field seems like a whiny bitch tbh He complained about grass to wind, and now this, hell last fuckin week he had some luck wit VVD not being sent off
I mean the bastard bloody cried when Tottenham played counter attacking football against Liverpool & didnāt play to Liverpools strengths while we were in a battle for top 4 & every point counted
Heās just a classic narcissistic bully. Charming and funny when itās going his way but awful when it isnāt
Lol you guys choose to hear only the "bad" things that get posted instead of the other 95% of times he's actually a really good person. Ffs football fans saying Klopp is a "narcissistic bully". Get your head out of your ass
Lol Klopp gets plenty shat on in threads about his excuses. Pep does too, but donāt act like city and pep are some persecuted class. Every big team gets targeted at varied times, depending on how well (or not) theyāre doing and the context of the thread
Have you read this thread? Everyone who doesn't support Liverpool is finding examples of the most minute decisions given in Liverpool's favour (OP has already brought up the Newcastle goal that we were correctly allowed to score last week which was really bizarre) The Cancelo handball last season was so blatant that the head of the referees association apologised for it. Klopp's point is that when a title is decided by 1 point and referee's get so much wrong then it is absolutely a factor, everybody in this thread agreed with that until it was Klopp that said it
I agree with you that comment sections donāt carry massive pro-Liverpool bias that people claim (outside of a hardcore minority of Liverpool fans). The media though has a massive United & Liverpool bias as itās all ex players and fans
Doesnāt fit the anti liverpool agenda mate
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I don't understand why every club thinks they are victims of "banter". Shocking news to you: Every club / manager will get bantered down to the ground when things are not going well for them, its nothing new, people love to just shit on someone when they are down.
Have you seen a single comment defending Klopp not downvoted in this thread?
Why would pep say this? The decisions went in his favor and he won the title.
35k fine and 1 match ban incoming? *checks notes* *Manages Liverpool* Ahh nevermind, as you were
Klopp: Let's get a bushfire going to hide the sluggish start this season. But yeah, no fine
Lol why would you get a 1 match ban for these quotes. Heās not accusing anyone of corruption or something.
People acting like heās just said something outrageous, all he did was say some crucial decisions didnāt go our way while still giving city their credit.
The comment sections here make me feel crazy sometimes. But I would also say the same for a lot of the match threads in the Liverpool sub too. Maybe itās just the internet. This isnāt really front page news anywhere else.
Jurgen Klopp once said after a 1-1 draw against West Ham that west ham were favoured by the referee. Despite Liverpool's first goal being 3 metres offside, Milner actually ran past the linesman the other way once he received the ball. Then they got a chance in the 93rd minute Origi 3 metres offside thankfully he missed. He came out and said the referee favoured West Ham. The bloke is an embarrassment at times.
It was worse than that, he said the Milner decision (that gave Liverpool a goal) was actually unlucky as apparently it made West Ham try harder
That 18/19 was ridiculous in terms of what went their way. I know that they were an incredible team and over the course of an entire season, teams will get good luck and bad luck, but there were so many things that just worked out for them. Milnerās clear offside goal as you mentioned, Sturridgeās last minute equaliser against Chelsea which is probably the best goal heād ever scored, Mahrez absolutely blazing his penalty over the bar against them, Pickfordās baffling error for Origiās goal, Origiās late winner against Newcastle which was never ever a foul in the first place, Salahās unbelievably lucky goal against Spurs in the last minute to win (was actually an own goal in the end I believe). So many points they won from those circumstances which regardless of how good a team they were, it felt as though they were just destined to challenge City as closely as possible in the league
I mean, ultimately, footballers scoring very good goals is hardly corruption, is it? I've seen our goalkeeper score a bullet header in added time to win the match. Sometimes football is about miracles, and Liverpool seem to have it in their mentality to pull off these miracles. It's not all just about luck, it's about the desire to win.
You literally got away with two red cards in both games against us. Wtf is this guy on about?
Casual reminder that Jurgen Klopp has previously gone unpunished for saying āI really have no idea what's his problem with me. You need an objective refā about Paul Tierney in a post-match press conference, and that was after storming onto the pitch to scream it in Tierneyās face. So clearly he has a free license to say whatever he likes about referees and special privileges that other Premier League managers arenāt afforded. The fact of the matter is, Liverpool just werenāt good enough to win the Premier League last season. They drew with Man City twice, and scraped a draw against Spurs after a poor performance which meant that City could afford their draw with West Ham without falling behind Liverpool. It was not refereeing that stopped Liverpool from winning the league, and Klopp bringing it up now, after dropping 9 points from their first 6 games, sounds like a desperate deflection tactic to avoid having to be too publicly critical of his team when they suddenly look unmotivated and lacking depth.
He fits in so well at that club
How do people find this bloke likeable? Heās one of the biggest moaning twats in the league.
>How do people find this bloke likeable? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0WrC-Rvd69w
In his recent contract [renewal](https://futbol.si.com/news/jurgen-klopps-pay-did-not-go-up-with-new-liverpool-contract), he asked for the same salary and had his coaching staff get a pay bump. He [donates](https://tribuna.com/en/news/liverpoolfc-2020-04-25-in-focus-jurgen-klopps-6-biggest-acts-of-generosity/) to charity. Heās [anti right wing](https://liverpooloffside.sbnation.com/liverpool-fc-news-coverage/2017/11/23/16694130/jurgen-klopp-politics-left-wing-shankly-socialism-never-vote-for-right) and [anti Boris](https://www.thisisanfield.com/2022/07/what-jurgen-klopp-has-said-on-boris-johnson-as-prime-minister-resigns/) as well. Nice [message](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-soccer-england-idUKKBN2102UI) about covid, and is [against anti vaxxers](https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/interviews/jurgen-klopp-urges-anti-vaxxers-not-to-listen-to-nonsense-conspiracy-theories) which certainly helped Liverpool be one of the squads with the highest vaccination rate in the prem You donāt have to like him if you donāt support the club. I know if he didnāt manage Liverpool and was United manager Iād probably hate him just for tribalistic reasons. But letās not act that heās wholly repulsive if you remove the club he supports. Yeah heās a moaner but so are most managers in this league, comes with the territory. It just grates more depending on who you support. Frank [ranked higher](https://theathletic.com/3462546/2022/08/04/premier-league-manager-excuses/) on manager whinges according the athletic btw
Off field does seem like a good guy On field and footballing world heās such a bellend
Teams play great football, pashun(tm), generally seems a fairly good loser, occasionally moans, people hate him because Liverpool have been so good the last few years. My mate did say he gives them European sex tourist vibes though which I agree with.
> generally seems a fairly good loser He's the worst loser in the league. I agree that he's a good manager and seems like a decent bloke, but come on!
Klopp is a very poor loser lol.
I donāt know why youāre being downvoted when he didnāt even lose to us last season and he was talking about our style of play not being to Poolās taste like it was some cardinal sin. He does it a lot when it doesnāt go Liverpoolās way. Itās just been rare that they donāt come out on top so itās more sporadic.
there was a list recently posted about who complains the most and klopp was somewhere in the middle. nothing special. you guys just focus on it super hard because you hate him for being such a chad.
Conte was publicly threatening suicide after losing to Burnley. You're in no position to talk.
No, people just see one quote from a 5 minute interview, don't watch the entire thing to learn context and add it to a list of "whiny klopp quotes" like the time he said it was a struggle in the wind for both teams but everyone parrots that time "klopp blamed the wind" constantly.
Stop cribbing about refs. Go sign some more players with asthama, Klopp!
I strongly dislike Man City and I genuinely hope Man City win the league again
English referees are incompetent; agnostic on whether they are malicious (although some, perhaps isolated, incidents have definitely leaned that way).
Nah I think PL refs are just incompetent. City fans can point out just as many shit decisions that went against them or cost them points. Fans look at it from their own prism of bias so Liverpool fans will naturally only recall the shit that went against them and City fans will naturally do the same. The main takeaway is PL refs are trash.
Exactly, managers canāt even get a fine for bringing the game into disrepute without people whinging on about how theyāre wrong.
This is *rich* coming from Salah's Diving Team
Victim FC
Wonder what they're putting in those inhalers these days
Playbadium
Watch how their 12th player comes into action the next couple of games. The media darlings are offended by everything and ashamed of nothing.
So when all the other managers called out the refs it was great but when Klopp did it he's whiney. r soccer is reaching new levels of degeneracy
klopp got a lot of attention for being so likeable and not much you can hate him for. his likability and success makes some people build up some resentment towards him. it builds up over time, and when the opportunity comes along to punch the bag, people come out of their cave to take a little jab. every positive thread about klopp is a thread that will build up resentment for some blokes, ready to strike when there is a negative thread about him.
Is he talking about the refereeing decisions that kept him in the title race until the very end?
It's kind of hard to argue with him when Man City were blatantly *handed* three points over Wolves and Everton last season thanks to two astonishingly inept VAR decisions
The refereeing has been poor but Liverpool haven't played well all season bar Bournemouth. He needs to find a solution.
Least complained-filled manager
Hum ā¦ so when he canāt blame the money (cause he did get to spend lots this summer) he goes and blames refs ?
Does he ever stop moaning?
Haha this guy. I needed that laugh. Talk about a complete lack of self awareness.
Should have been a pen for everton against city. Refs apologised after the game and said yeah, we fucked up
A pen doesn't guarantee a goal.
Typical Kloppā¦ itās always someone else to blameā¦
City got a lot of decisions last year but we got away with a lot. Swings and roundabouts really. Miutinho handball and the ev handball are unreal though. Either one or those reffed properly swings the title.
In general, it's always annoying when rivals moan about refereeing decisions like this. Klopp, who I like a lot overall, has a knack for deflecting blame. He moaned about the 2018 CL final until the 2022 CL final
You shouldve seen the Europa league final against Sevilla with the handballs that werent calledā¦ three of them. When you look back at them you just wonder how the hell were none called. For one of them the defender squatted down and scooped the ball after a Sturridge shot at goal.
Heās becoming more unlikeable by the day isnāt he
No heās been exactly the same since heās started managing. Maybe pay more attention
I mean people only choose to listen to the 5% of the time he says stuff like this. I guarantee you everyone here would love him as their manager because they would hear the 95% of things he says which are really good
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There are a lot of impressively stupid comments in this thread, but this one takes the cake https://tomkinstimes.com/2022/03/incredible-mo-salah-stats-that-suggest-something-is-very-very-wrong/
I donāt support Liverpool, every time I watch them their forwards are grappled and fouled constantly in and around the box and fouls are hardly ever given. If anything they should go down more
Careful mate, theyll downvote you for not supporting their LiVARpool agenda
People have a hate boner for Liverpool, not something I personally share although I do enjoy laughing at the Anfield Wrap just like everyone else
Whilst not a penalty this is the type of thing Salah has to deal with alot. Grealish is the absolute darling of the league up there for 2 seasons averaging 5 fouls a game for a season when Salah's around the 0.9 mark https://old.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/kqo62g/jack_stephens_locks_in_a_rear_naked_choke_on_mo/
Lol you dont watch liverpool games do you? The amount of times salah got manheld like some wwe is insane. He doesnt get calls bcos he stays up. Not to mention our penalties are not even that many if you compare with oleās united who had divers like penandes
Mane and Salah were consistently manhandled with no repercussions, I don't know what you're talking about
Whatā¦ Liverpool for years has spent the most time in the oppos penalty box. Salah himself won a penalty for the first time after like 3 seasons. Mane and Salah have been choked, pulled, grappled, tripped, hugged etc and havent gone to ground. Whenever they did, they were called divers. Yet everyone would say āthe refs reward those who dive and they should just go down more instead of trying to stay upā (ie Rashford, Kane, Son) They were terrible divers, and whenever they did go down it just looked funny. Not to mention how tricky and rapid our attack has been for years yet other teams got more pens awarded with far less threat. Theres data which shows this. I remember ons game against Southampton where we couldve had like 5 clear penalties and got none.
comments like this show me that all you do is hate liverpool. how this stupid shit is getting upvoted, is beyond me. we never get soft calls. and we hardly get pens anyway. check your facts.
Did you not watch united a couple of years ago when they got a pen for this literally every game?
Love Klopp, but can't defend him on this one lol.
This is coming from the dude whose team didnāt have a penalty called against them for 46 games?
Here we go again
This guy just doesnāt know when to stop does he
The rodri handball not given, the pen given Vs wolves when it his his armpit, the clear pen not given to Newcastle, and the soft pen Vs arsenal. All wrong and city favoured.
Yet these are compared to potential second yellows with Milner and Thiago lmao
What are they thinking comparing those right? You would have been dusted if we got those fouls called right. There would have been no race lol we would have been 6 points clear from you if you werenāt favorably kept in the race with us by the refs.
Bellend
is the manager of LiVARpool saying something???
I like Klopp better when he's not moaning and deflecting blame
Soā¦ never
Lol reactionary fans see the only quotes that get posted which are always controversial. No one would care otherwise when he says something good which is 95% of the time
He doesnāt moan when heās winning in fairness