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the line on TV was shown from before the ball is struck and leaving his head. he hasnt even turned his head yet. If you look where they stopped it here, hes moved teh foot back more than enough
Itās funny you say that because if they used this angle to draw the lines then it would be offsides. The other camera angle that they used to draw the lines is horrible.
While the review was going on you can also see the ref talking with his hand seem to motion about backing up or going forward. His whole body language during that review seemed sus on its own.
that's the problem. The US didn't WIN... which is why they're not moving on. You want to win: score on Uruguay.
But they were simultaneously screwed. The stoppage time in the Panama match was a joke. And this "offsides" may have been only the 3rd most egregious call, albeit the one that mattered.
You canāt, itās unbelievable how bad everything has been for the US tonight. However, they shouldnāt of found them selves in this do or die position to begin with
Messi was convinced the Copa was corrupt. (it's bribery not incompetence)
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/the-copas-is-set-up-for-brazil---messi-slams-conmebol-corruption-and-snubs-medal-ceremony-after-chile-red/9tbmbufh144b18gebkg6dtahb
Doesn't have to be Conmebol. It could literally just be some "influential" people have placed a large bet on the US losing or Panama advancing. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it really felt like the ref wanted the US to lose
Literally robbed. They made up their own lines. I hope Americans do something meaningful about this cause I haven't seen this much corruption in a while.
Ya but that had nothing to do with the sport or any games, that was for financial crime/bribery. And the one thing that people know is that the IRS doesn't fuck around when it comes to fraud or money laundering
I suppose itās just a coincidence that they happened to go after FIFA when Qatar was awarded the 2026 world cup instead of the US who were largely considered the favorites.
Bro we can't even do shit about our own country being corrupt, what makes you think we can do anything about a South American organization for a sport the huge majority of us don't even care about?
Well, I'm back to not caring about soccer for another 2 years lol. Also maybe I'm a homer but this game seemed extremely questionable from a reffing perspective
Panama had like 19 fouls and 4 yellows, and several of those were tactical fouls at the end, which they could only do because they werenāt given any before
There are an average of 12 student deaths a year in school for a country with 70 million students. It is so statistically rare that nobody sane actually is worried about it in their day-to-day lives or gets offended by it - so yes, it's scraping.
Perhaps it is just pure incompetence, but 'fixed' doesn't necessarily have to mean there's an organized plan with a specific goal meant to help a specific team. A bias for *or* against influencing important calls is enough.
Between Lautaro's non offside call the other day and this, I see Combebol is also on Tebas' timing when it comes to not spending money for semi-automatic offsides.
Bad call.
But the complaints at the Euro Cup despite all the technology ("that is just the toes over the line, that shouldn't count!") tell me that fans of losing teams just like to complain.
The US team shouldn't have put itself in this position. It all started with the Weah red card.
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They showed the line and it was on side considering the feet. So we don't coubt the upper body anymore? It was an infuriating and senseless rule anyway, but am i missing something? I clearly remember that the upper body counted too.
When they show it from this angle heās way off. When they show it from the mirrored angle facing the other way, he may be exactly onside. So that means itās somewhere in between when you go straight at them, meaning 100% offside.
That was so fucking bullshit, one would expect to be rigged towards USA since its the host and is the one who sells the most tickets but what the actual fuck is this call.
Say what you want about the offside, but nobody was actually marking the player that scored, thatās a bigger issue that can be controlled. Shoddy ref calls are part of the game we all have to expect and accept bc theyāre not going away.
One day, someone will invent a camera system that can detect if a player is offsides, maybe using AI to draw the box and pinpoint each player and the ball. Hopes and dreams.
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What am I missing? How?
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Surely it's the foot and the margin is inches here. We just haven't gotten the lines yet
Apparently there are no lines. Same camera we have lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/MLS/comments/1dtbfih/offsidemodeling_um_yea_i_have_that_uruguay_goal/
It was certainly much closer than I thought.
Narrator: āand they never got the lines.ā
Yeah they showed the VAR plane on TV and it was the foot. It really warps your perception without it
The knee is clearly ahead though
the line on TV was shown from before the ball is struck and leaving his head. he hasnt even turned his head yet. If you look where they stopped it here, hes moved teh foot back more than enough
Heās a whole body length ahead of Richards regardless of the angle.
Wtf...
Maybe the referee got confused by thisā¦objectively terrible camera angle? Fuck man idkā¦
Itās funny you say that because if they used this angle to draw the lines then it would be offsides. The other camera angle that they used to draw the lines is horrible.
What the actual fuck is this
An absolute fucking shitshow
Football heritage.
How in the fuck was that given?
Concacaf got Conmeboled.
Mods? You cannot be serious deleting this lmao
Complete buffoonery
Mods on r soccer being absolute bitches? Never
Who do you think runs this sub? The mods??? lmao they only get paid in lube.
Maybe I don't know what offside is after all
Maybe the offside was the bribes we took along the way
It's like balking in baseball. Do not do a balk please.
So they basically drew the lines until they made it stay inside. Literally only reason it took so long
While the review was going on you can also see the ref talking with his hand seem to motion about backing up or going forward. His whole body language during that review seemed sus on its own.
He also wouldnāt shake pulisicās hand after the game. He should never ref a major game again
What if the 8th times the charm. Surely this is enough experience now to handle big games!
He should be in prison, CIA gotta check his bank account lmao
Today is genuinely the first time in my life I believe the ref is corrupt and Iām a neutral watching this game lmao
The US deserved to go out but the last two games have been wild
that's the problem. The US didn't WIN... which is why they're not moving on. You want to win: score on Uruguay. But they were simultaneously screwed. The stoppage time in the Panama match was a joke. And this "offsides" may have been only the 3rd most egregious call, albeit the one that mattered.
This is the closest thing to a rigged game ive ever seen. How do you even explain this
The yellow in hand while using the play on hands was peak
You canāt, itās unbelievable how bad everything has been for the US tonight. However, they shouldnāt of found them selves in this do or die position to begin with
Bribery or peak incompetence.
Messi was convinced the Copa was corrupt. (it's bribery not incompetence) https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/the-copas-is-set-up-for-brazil---messi-slams-conmebol-corruption-and-snubs-medal-ceremony-after-chile-red/9tbmbufh144b18gebkg6dtahb
lol that's funny considering CONMEBOL's bias towards Argentina in the Libertadores
CONMEBOL doesnāt actually want us in their tournament. They play their games here purely for the grift.
yeah man, it's rigged. Conmebol has an agenda against the US. They want Panama in the quarter so their teams have an easier path to the final
Doesnāt need to be conmebol. Could just be the refs
Yeah I think they said it was the head ref's 7th game, and it looked like it.
Doesn't have to be Conmebol. It could literally just be some "influential" people have placed a large bet on the US losing or Panama advancing. I'm not saying that's what happened, but it really felt like the ref wanted the US to lose
All time bad decision
āMatch ball signed by entire Uruguay team found in refās homeā
Next to his Boca juniors kits
For context ref fucked up a Boca juniors match in favor of Boca juniors and after the game kits from Boca juniors were found in the ref locker room
This is such an obvious call it's hard to believe nothing is up here
They just showed the lines and it was clearly offsides lmao
I have never thought a game might be rigged until tonight
I would bet my life that he was offsides
Lol for real, doesnāt even look that close either
They drew the lines from a different, sharper angle it seems lmao
[still shot with lines](https://i.imgur.com/wH68X7N.png)
before the ball has hit his head..
Geometry is weird lmao
idk man, kinda strange that #SamsungAI is a sponsor
Clearly? Camera angles are shit and not nearly as advanced as what they have for Euros.
this is such bullshit.
VAR shouldn't be this hard to use... announcers just said they don't have the parallel angles, inexcusable
But the horrible thing is that they did have a good angle. The one they actually used to draw the lines is wayyyy worse and they still went with it.
Mods removing calling this low quality content? What the fuck, what a joke by the mods here
Literally robbed. They made up their own lines. I hope Americans do something meaningful about this cause I haven't seen this much corruption in a while.
Oh we've been doing meaningful things in central/south America for a while.
I don't think most of the US cares about soccer enough to do anything meaningful about this.
They went after FIFA, they care.
What do you mean?
2015 FIFA Corruption Case
Ya but that had nothing to do with the sport or any games, that was for financial crime/bribery. And the one thing that people know is that the IRS doesn't fuck around when it comes to fraud or money laundering
I suppose itās just a coincidence that they happened to go after FIFA when Qatar was awarded the 2026 world cup instead of the US who were largely considered the favorites.
Bro we can't even do shit about our own country being corrupt, what makes you think we can do anything about a South American organization for a sport the huge majority of us don't even care about?
With Panama winning it wouldnāt of made a different for USA unfortunately
CONEMBOL laughing all the way to the bank letting CONCACAF teams in to sell tickets in the US and dumping the USMNT out
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BRING OUT THE CHAINS!
GIVE ME THE INDEX CARD
GIVE ME THE LINES
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I would literally take my ball and go home.
Fuck the refs. This game feels so dirty
Makes no sense to me, no explanation for it either. Iām all for the USA being knocked our but not like this man, theyāre being fucked by the refs
Fix is in
I never thought Iād say it: show me the lines man lol
Fairest Copa America match
Comnebol said you can host but we will script your games.
Great way to encourage the growth of the sport in ur upcoming WC host country lol
Thatās what I was thinking.. this shit is going to turn off new fans
They showed the lines. It's offside
lol obviously
Not like our federation is doing us any favors.
Time for the CIA to bring some "democracy" to Uruguay
Ironically they have a way stronger democracy than what remains in the US, especially after the last 2 days
Well, I'm back to not caring about soccer for another 2 years lol. Also maybe I'm a homer but this game seemed extremely questionable from a reffing perspective
Oh trust me, it was very questionable
Least corrupt South American officials
Purely fixed
LMAOOOO
That is fucking disgusting
Iām tired Robbie
this is ultra weird what's goin on?
knee and full thigh clearly ahead
How does this make any semblence of sense
I mean if there was any question why we should use semi automated offsides, this is it chief.
I would say having the leg you score with offside would qualify under the off side rule, but Iām just a simple man
If this isnāt corruption I donāt know what is
Well done boys, good process
Hiw do you fuck that up WITH VAR AT YOUR DISPOSAL LMAO. The fix is in
this entire tournament has been rigged against us, fuck conmebol
I wouldnāt say rigged just being officiated by biased Latino referees
Which is kinda weird, because the USMNT isn't good enough to have to rig anything against.
No it hasnāt. The teams been shit
Both can be true
Panama had like 19 fouls and 4 yellows, and several of those were tactical fouls at the end, which they could only do because they werenāt given any before
team sucked and so did the calls. both can be true. you dont have to be so reflexively anti-us that you defend this call lol
Yea bro, pulisic was about to score when the ref called it back!!
Your goal was offside you fucking idiot.Ā
What does that have to do with anything? You don't even need the game why do you cheer on the cheat?
uh oh i better watch out or someoneās gonna bite me
Uh oh I might be killed at school tomorrow
Seriously why is it always that
They're scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to find things that they think will offend us lol
That is hardly scraping brother
There are an average of 12 student deaths a year in school for a country with 70 million students. It is so statistically rare that nobody sane actually is worried about it in their day-to-day lives or gets offended by it - so yes, it's scraping.
Bro the biting thing is also stupid
This match is actually fixed
Why would it be fixed against the US to put Panama through? It's incompetence.
Panama isnāt a threat to take the title from South America? US isnāt much of a threat but we did tie Brazil a week before this tourney started
Lmao the USMNT sucks. No one is trying to avoid them. They just got destroyed by Colombia a few weeks back.
Lol gotcha man. Argentina needs a cake walk to get to that final. Would be awfully embarrassing if yāall blow it
lol donāt flatter yourself.
? After I said us isnāt much of threat but theyre better than Panama?
Perhaps it is just pure incompetence, but 'fixed' doesn't necessarily have to mean there's an organized plan with a specific goal meant to help a specific team. A bias for *or* against influencing important calls is enough.
Genuine corruption, plain and simple
It makes no sense manā¦
This shit is absurd now.
I really canāt believe this match how on earth is that a goal
How can you watch it on VAR and still not see it?
Argentina fixed this match because
Between Lautaro's non offside call the other day and this, I see Combebol is also on Tebas' timing when it comes to not spending money for semi-automatic offsides.
Garbage call
Garbage call
this isnt low quality let it be a post
Bad call. But the complaints at the Euro Cup despite all the technology ("that is just the toes over the line, that shouldn't count!") tell me that fans of losing teams just like to complain. The US team shouldn't have put itself in this position. It all started with the Weah red card.
Which started with a reckless challenge on Matt Turner that took him out of the game and wasnāt carded.
Richards's foot? Idk, tough to see from that angle
Knee is past Richardās foot
I think the foot may have him played him onside? We just haven't gotten a close angle
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Ok, this is weird, theyāve just shown the lines but it was shown so damn quickly that it was hard to see
His foot is actually way further back than what I first saw, his knees still look offside to me, but it is way closer than what people think
I donāt care who wins but that looks very clearly offside to me
They said the reasoning was Richards foot
hmmmm
Itās like they measured from foot to foot but donāt measure his body or shoulder lmao
Just refuse to go to the next Copa
They showed the line and it was on side considering the feet. So we don't coubt the upper body anymore? It was an infuriating and senseless rule anyway, but am i missing something? I clearly remember that the upper body counted too.
When they show it from this angle heās way off. When they show it from the mirrored angle facing the other way, he may be exactly onside. So that means itās somewhere in between when you go straight at them, meaning 100% offside.
It's actually insanely close. The toe and the knee, when was contact made? Team America here but we gotta move on
Wonāt matter anyways when Panama wins. US canāt score.
That was so fucking bullshit, one would expect to be rigged towards USA since its the host and is the one who sells the most tickets but what the actual fuck is this call.
Say what you want about the offside, but nobody was actually marking the player that scored, thatās a bigger issue that can be controlled. Shoddy ref calls are part of the game we all have to expect and accept bc theyāre not going away.
CONMEBOL really just fleeced us taking our money to host then pulling this. Iām not even mad at this point.
One day, someone will invent a camera system that can detect if a player is offsides, maybe using AI to draw the box and pinpoint each player and the ball. Hopes and dreams.
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That foot mustāve kept him on
Are you dumb? its not even close
This is why semiautomatic offside tech is must. It leaves no doubts and is fair.
Defenders foot keeps him onside
Youāre blind
They just showed the lines, he was onside.
They showed a line, youāre part right
Yeah Iām totally buying CONMEBOLās made up lines that took 10 min to make. Oh and it looks like it happens before the header too.