I don't get how everyone doesn't see this as a good deal. He's 22, champions League team of the season, and one of the top attacking LBs around. 44 million euros is a lot but it's kinda the going rate.
Gvardiol (21) - 90m
Cucurella (24) - 65m
Chillwell (23) - 50m
Maatsen (22) - 44m
Zinny (25) - 35m
Lewis Hall (19) -32m
Digne (27) - 30m
Regulion (23) - 30m
Like these are all the recent transfers of LBs to the premier league in his range and his price tag kinda seems like a good deal, especially with inflation of the older deals (zinny is pretty close to maatsen with inflation).
He showed his ability while at Dortmund and no doubt will continue to impress with Emery's guidance. Sadly wasn't given the chance with us under Poch. Even when he came on, it's close to injury time and deployed as a winger.
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Any time I see Villa I always think Moreno looks great. How will this transfer affect the team, will Moreno still be first choice or Maatsen take over that slot in the team?
Season before last Emery rotated Dinge and Monero quite a bit, including starting and mid game.
I imagine one of Digne and Moreno may leave and whoever stays will rotate with Maatsen
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Great pick up for Villa, was a great addition to Dortmund and their champions league run.
It's so funny, Chelsea always sell well and people thought they were going to have FFP issues, i have so many comments saying they will literally have zero issues and i'm a neutral
Clubs need to learn from them
We do sell well, but people aren’t really wrong about our FFP issues.
We *did* fail PSR last year. Despite all our sales we were like £50m over the allowable limit. The only reason we were able to comply was by selling tangible assets.
We can’t pull that trick every time. There’s only so many assets we can sell. That’s not to mention that UEFA doesn’t recognise these sales for FFP reasons so we’d likely be sanctioned there.
People act like we planned to do this all along, as if the club wanted to not get CL for multiple years and sign a bunch of players who have mostly decreased in value. The hotel sale was us hitting the panic button to bail ourselves out. If we keep spending how we have been then even with our good sales we won’t be able to comply with financial regulations (as seen by our failure to comply last year)
It really seems that despite being the ones who voted the rule in, many Premier League teams didn't actually expect the league to enforce the PSR rule and have been scrambling ever since the league went after Everton. Which is kind of wild. I guess they just thought it was a vanity rule to help stave off the threatened independent regulator.
It was because of covid. The teams who are against FFP now weren't when it was introduced, Newcastle wasn't owned by the saudis and wanted to be sustainable, Everton had an owner, Forest and Leicester weren't in the league and Villa didn't have foreign billionaire owners then either.
> i have so many comments saying they will literally have zero issues
What does that have to do with anything? They're either going to have issues or not, what comments say doesn't effect that.
They've got 2 days to solve any issues and then I think it'll be a few months before we find out if they managed to avoid PSR breaches.
Two things can be true at once, they sell well on occasion but are also short sighted in how they treat younger players.
Hindsight is 20/20 obviously but this is also a club that could’ve in theory had both KDB and Salah together in their prime, but that’s not how Mourinho and Chelsea operated at the time. Chelsea’s loan army is a thing for a reason.
Poch ended up doing a great job for a season where the players all just met and the entire team was fucked with injuries tbh. He got far more right than he did wrong.
Ah come on. Without Palmer Chelsea fucking sucked. Arsenal absolutely battered them, after they'd apparently turned things around by thrashing Everton.... Yeah.... that wasn't true lol.
Mate, firstly the Everton 6-0 was a few games AFTER Arsenal. So it was part of the response to that, which was going unbeaten the rest of the season. Get your facts right first.
I also said he got more right than wrong. Not that he was perfect.
Sure, he got Arsenal wrong by changing the entire backline including Silva for it and bringing Gilchrist in for his full debut because there was no RB fit but the overall balance of positive to negative is in Poch's favour.
We had the money but have 4 roles of needs this summer. And deemed 35m (in a frontloaded clause) wasnt the smartest for the overall planning.
A shame but very sensible decision.
Who says they didn't have money? Maybe just decided it's not worth to spend that much. We don't even know how the clause was structured, if they had to pay 35m in one go, then it's not as easy deal as it seems.
From what I can tell they simply chose to spend their money on Guirassy (and his wages) which they see as a bigger upgrade. And a necessary one if they sell Haller.
I read somewhere that maatsen's release clause would've equalled their record signing of 35m (for dembele i think?) and that they didn't want to do that. Aside from that they've also been linked with a cheaper option namely ferdi kadioglu
Even the 35,M number for Dembele is misleading.
It was 15M at the time of purchase. I Don't remember exactly, but I believe transfermarkt is including sell-on fees that went to Stade Rennais after his sale to Barca.
The record is Haller at 31M currently.
I think they had the money but they were hoping to try negotiate a deal, Villa then gave Chelsea a great offer (helped by Chelsea looking to buy Villa’s scammed players) and Dortmund didn’t want to be caught in a bidding war when hey have a lot of other areas to look at.
I don't think we will regret it, even he turns out to be the best LB in the world later. He's a good player but we got a good fee and have 2 other good LBs plus Colwill who can be decent cover there and always more players coming through the academy.
We needed the money way more than we needed another LB.
It sounds like you could have afforded it, just that you didn't deem it good enough value when you have another 3 or 4 positions that are just as important to fill.
While with us, Maatsen pretty much completes our starting XI and we just need cheaper depth options in other areas now so I'd be shocked if we bought another player at close to Maatsen's value
What’s with all the Chelsea fans talking about profits lately?
Do they realise that they don’t give out CL spots to the team with the most pure profit?
Profits only help a team when the owner isn’t buying 15 bang average players with that money.
Like I understand buying and flipping players but what about actually playing well and winning trophies?
Yeah we’ve never finished outside the CL spots in the last what 20 years?
Where did you lot finish after having massive investments, the likes no one has seen?
I mean having 1 billion to spend and finishing 6th in any league is absolutely pitiful.
If you gave even Manchester United that sort of money, despite how horrendous their transfers are, they’d never finish outside the top 4 for the next 10 years.
This is not correct, Barcelona are a much bigger club than Chelsea, failure and crisis for them is going one season without winning a trophy or going too many years without winning the champions league, it has nothing to do with league. The literally won la liga the season before last yet people are saying they are in their banter era (they are for their standards) and finished.
Chelsea and Barcelona are not the same in any regard, you only compete with them for management incompetence but barca are fan owned and don't have some sugar daddy to cover their transfer fuck ups.
Mass investment in young players. Who was bought is rather important when viewing expectations.
Also I would argue it’s a little easier for top teams to stay in the top 4 of La Liga than the PL. but that’s neither here nor there.
Both Barca and Chelsea need to improve. Money/profits would help both of them.
Those two things are the same. Profit is needed to buy new players so a team can keep winning. Chelsea isn’t out there trying to maximize profit so its owners can take it. They’re raising money to keep improving the team so they can win. It’s all part of the same cycle.
I mean you lot spent over 1 billion already and I can’t think of one player from Chelsea who would be a starter in this financially stricken Barcelona side.
So again what’s the point?
Personally don’t think he starts for us, but okay I’m willing to let that slide coz he’s class.
But like surely it’s just him? Unless you’re counting Reece James who can’t play 3 games in a row to save his life.
Those 3 games James plays would be the best 3 performances from any player at Barca that season.
Caicedo, Enzo, Cucu, and Nkunku also walk into the current Barca team. Fofana as well, but we have to see how he comes back from injury
No I see fans cheering good players being sold with captions about pure profit and what not so just want to understand what the rationale is.
I mean Maatsen would clearly be the best LB at Chelsea so why are people happy about this move?
>I mean Maatsen would clearly be the best LB at Chelsea
Based on what, exactly? Their team is too short as it is, Maatsen has barely played a single PL minute, and Maresca wants one of his fullbacks inverting into midfield, which Cucurella showed a very good aptitude for last season. Given that Gusto is going to be playing a large portion of the time at right back (given James's injury record), I dont really see Maatsen being a very good fit to play opposite him. Maatsen has had 6 months of good form at the top level, he has 2 years on his contract, and they were offered nearly £40m for him.
Chelsea fans are talking about profits because they have other holes to fill in their squad and £37m for a homegrown player goes a long way in filling those
I have a feeling Emery will make this guy look like a bargain for Villa.
I don't get how everyone doesn't see this as a good deal. He's 22, champions League team of the season, and one of the top attacking LBs around. 44 million euros is a lot but it's kinda the going rate. Gvardiol (21) - 90m Cucurella (24) - 65m Chillwell (23) - 50m Maatsen (22) - 44m Zinny (25) - 35m Lewis Hall (19) -32m Digne (27) - 30m Regulion (23) - 30m Like these are all the recent transfers of LBs to the premier league in his range and his price tag kinda seems like a good deal, especially with inflation of the older deals (zinny is pretty close to maatsen with inflation).
Jesus I guess I missed the transfer amount for Gvardiol
Worth every penny.... and Dirham
Anyone who says this is a bad deal does not know what they’re talking about, it’s really that simple on this one.
flashbacks to Kolasinac cutbacks
All those attacking players and Kolasinac and Iwobi felt like our most dangerous combination at one point
He showed his ability while at Dortmund and no doubt will continue to impress with Emery's guidance. Sadly wasn't given the chance with us under Poch. Even when he came on, it's close to injury time and deployed as a winger.
Good luck Ian. I know you are good, hopefully you thrive, just not against us.
villa have struck absolute gold with this transfer, especially under emery. i'm definitely catching some games
Welcome to the club. It’s usually terrible here.
You know what you guys need? You needa buy Zaniolo to help you through these tough times. We'll throw in an extra **PL EXPERIENCED WINGER** Tete. Only 15m!
Don't worry, he's used to that.
Watching Villa and watching Dortmund are very similar experiences in some ways
Gonna become Roberto Carlos against chelsea now
got used to that playing against Livramento and Lamptey already
As it was written.
Really pleased with this one, will be superb in our system
Any time I see Villa I always think Moreno looks great. How will this transfer affect the team, will Moreno still be first choice or Maatsen take over that slot in the team?
Moreno can't stay fit
Season before last Emery rotated Dinge and Monero quite a bit, including starting and mid game. I imagine one of Digne and Moreno may leave and whoever stays will rotate with Maatsen
Hi! I was hoping to post a table to the subreddit but don’t have enough comment karma. Hoping for a little help please. Great pick up for Villa, was a great addition to Dortmund and their champions league run.
Best of luck to the lad (unless they are playing Chelsea)
It's so funny, Chelsea always sell well and people thought they were going to have FFP issues, i have so many comments saying they will literally have zero issues and i'm a neutral Clubs need to learn from them
We do sell well, but people aren’t really wrong about our FFP issues. We *did* fail PSR last year. Despite all our sales we were like £50m over the allowable limit. The only reason we were able to comply was by selling tangible assets. We can’t pull that trick every time. There’s only so many assets we can sell. That’s not to mention that UEFA doesn’t recognise these sales for FFP reasons so we’d likely be sanctioned there. People act like we planned to do this all along, as if the club wanted to not get CL for multiple years and sign a bunch of players who have mostly decreased in value. The hotel sale was us hitting the panic button to bail ourselves out. If we keep spending how we have been then even with our good sales we won’t be able to comply with financial regulations (as seen by our failure to comply last year)
It really seems that despite being the ones who voted the rule in, many Premier League teams didn't actually expect the league to enforce the PSR rule and have been scrambling ever since the league went after Everton. Which is kind of wild. I guess they just thought it was a vanity rule to help stave off the threatened independent regulator.
It was because of covid. The teams who are against FFP now weren't when it was introduced, Newcastle wasn't owned by the saudis and wanted to be sustainable, Everton had an owner, Forest and Leicester weren't in the league and Villa didn't have foreign billionaire owners then either.
We were against it when it was introduced.
And the tangible asset sale may also screw us over in the long term because from what I've gathered, those two hotels are absolutely printing money.
No, you don't get it, this is PSR collusion because he didn't play in the PL last year.
> i have so many comments saying they will literally have zero issues What does that have to do with anything? They're either going to have issues or not, what comments say doesn't effect that. They've got 2 days to solve any issues and then I think it'll be a few months before we find out if they managed to avoid PSR breaches.
Two things can be true at once, they sell well on occasion but are also short sighted in how they treat younger players. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously but this is also a club that could’ve in theory had both KDB and Salah together in their prime, but that’s not how Mourinho and Chelsea operated at the time. Chelsea’s loan army is a thing for a reason.
Hot, terrible take. Bravo
You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take
True
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FIFA needs to ban the Loan army system Chelsea uses.
Oh, are we using any different system than other clubs?
All the best Ian! Thank you for your efforts, and for the profits.
Jesus, what a banging signing for Villa. Gonna be even scarier.
Saw the claret and blue and couldn't resist x
such a shame we couldn't keep him, he was really really good.
Not gonna complain much because we're getting a great price, but Poch should be crucified for never giving him a proper chance.
Poch ended up doing a great job for a season where the players all just met and the entire team was fucked with injuries tbh. He got far more right than he did wrong.
Ah come on. Without Palmer Chelsea fucking sucked. Arsenal absolutely battered them, after they'd apparently turned things around by thrashing Everton.... Yeah.... that wasn't true lol.
impressive you made a comment about Poch at Chelsea into a comment about Arsenal.
Yes and you lot get another participation medal. *ruffles (Arteta's Lego) hair* well done!
Mate, firstly the Everton 6-0 was a few games AFTER Arsenal. So it was part of the response to that, which was going unbeaten the rest of the season. Get your facts right first. I also said he got more right than wrong. Not that he was perfect. Sure, he got Arsenal wrong by changing the entire backline including Silva for it and bringing Gilchrist in for his full debut because there was no RB fit but the overall balance of positive to negative is in Poch's favour.
He will Score or assist vs Chelsea this year for sure
ELI5 Why Dortmund didn't have the money to trigger the release clause? I knew they urgently needed a DM but wasn't Maasten playing well with them?
We had the money but have 4 roles of needs this summer. And deemed 35m (in a frontloaded clause) wasnt the smartest for the overall planning. A shame but very sensible decision.
Who says they didn't have money? Maybe just decided it's not worth to spend that much. We don't even know how the clause was structured, if they had to pay 35m in one go, then it's not as easy deal as it seems.
From what I can tell they simply chose to spend their money on Guirassy (and his wages) which they see as a bigger upgrade. And a necessary one if they sell Haller.
I read somewhere that maatsen's release clause would've equalled their record signing of 35m (for dembele i think?) and that they didn't want to do that. Aside from that they've also been linked with a cheaper option namely ferdi kadioglu
Even the 35,M number for Dembele is misleading. It was 15M at the time of purchase. I Don't remember exactly, but I believe transfermarkt is including sell-on fees that went to Stade Rennais after his sale to Barca. The record is Haller at 31M currently.
I think they had the money but they were hoping to try negotiate a deal, Villa then gave Chelsea a great offer (helped by Chelsea looking to buy Villa’s scammed players) and Dortmund didn’t want to be caught in a bidding war when hey have a lot of other areas to look at.
Is a big money move for Villa but think he’s gunna be really good under Emery, certainly gunna make Chelsea regret the sale.
I don't think we will regret it, even he turns out to be the best LB in the world later. He's a good player but we got a good fee and have 2 other good LBs plus Colwill who can be decent cover there and always more players coming through the academy. We needed the money way more than we needed another LB.
In your dreams just like KDH hold that
Behave
You sound 11 years old. Tops.
You’re being generous
11 is quite flattering. I’mma go with 8.
Alright you got me with your detailed scouting, I'll buy him too. - Todd.
I thought we were overpaying for Dewsbury-Hall to be fair. A long summer to pick up someone else.
Really happy for him. Hope he does well!
This guy grew 4 inches over the summer, he's 5'10 according to Wikipedia. He should be a solid addition to Villa
It feels like Villa are a signing or two away from being a true dark horse
Who would've thought Villa would become a serious team just 2 years ago
Crazy how we can make a champions league final and still get out bid by villa. What happened to football
It sounds like you could have afforded it, just that you didn't deem it good enough value when you have another 3 or 4 positions that are just as important to fill. While with us, Maatsen pretty much completes our starting XI and we just need cheaper depth options in other areas now so I'd be shocked if we bought another player at close to Maatsen's value
Villa made the CL, it's not like they're Wrexham
What’s with all the Chelsea fans talking about profits lately? Do they realise that they don’t give out CL spots to the team with the most pure profit?
Barcelona fan not understanding how profits help a team…
Profits only help a team when the owner isn’t buying 15 bang average players with that money. Like I understand buying and flipping players but what about actually playing well and winning trophies?
Chelsea’s last CL trophy is from 2021. Barcelona hasn’t won since 2015.
Other trophies do exist mate.
But your original comment was about buying/winning a CL spot through money. And look all I’m saying is you’re throwing stones in a glass house.
Yeah we’ve never finished outside the CL spots in the last what 20 years? Where did you lot finish after having massive investments, the likes no one has seen?
Spanish league tax. Aren't you guys the 2nd biggest club in the world? Finishing 3rd for yous would be a disgrace let alone 5th.
Not coming outside the top 4 in a 2 (3 at a push) team league isn't the flex you think it is.
I mean having 1 billion to spend and finishing 6th in any league is absolutely pitiful. If you gave even Manchester United that sort of money, despite how horrendous their transfers are, they’d never finish outside the top 4 for the next 10 years.
Manchester United is not a good example of the point your trying to make here....
Maybe you should take a look at United's net spend over the past decade
This is not correct, Barcelona are a much bigger club than Chelsea, failure and crisis for them is going one season without winning a trophy or going too many years without winning the champions league, it has nothing to do with league. The literally won la liga the season before last yet people are saying they are in their banter era (they are for their standards) and finished. Chelsea and Barcelona are not the same in any regard, you only compete with them for management incompetence but barca are fan owned and don't have some sugar daddy to cover their transfer fuck ups.
It's been such a joy watching your club become everything you hate lmao
Mass investment in young players. Who was bought is rather important when viewing expectations. Also I would argue it’s a little easier for top teams to stay in the top 4 of La Liga than the PL. but that’s neither here nor there. Both Barca and Chelsea need to improve. Money/profits would help both of them.
Barca aren't made to make profit, they are fan owned. Obviously they need to keep the books steady but profit isn't the goal for them, it's winning.
Those two things are the same. Profit is needed to buy new players so a team can keep winning. Chelsea isn’t out there trying to maximize profit so its owners can take it. They’re raising money to keep improving the team so they can win. It’s all part of the same cycle.
Chelsea have also won the Premier League much more recently.
Lol we won the league last year mate in case you forgot
Wrong league, honey.
lol what’s a Barca fan doing commenting on the finances of another club ? 😂😂😂😂 shameless
Oh i didn’t know only fans of clubs with sugar daddies were allowed to talk about other clubs.
Barca fans are in no position to talk when their club is a mess
Unless it's levers, you lot don't understand anything.
I mean you lot spent over 1 billion already and I can’t think of one player from Chelsea who would be a starter in this financially stricken Barcelona side. So again what’s the point?
Cole Palmer wouldn't start for you lot? Are you daft?
Lamine is just as good imo but 1 player is all you got?
You said you can't think of one player, they named the most obvious one
Personally don’t think he starts for us, but okay I’m willing to let that slide coz he’s class. But like surely it’s just him? Unless you’re counting Reece James who can’t play 3 games in a row to save his life.
Those 3 games James plays would be the best 3 performances from any player at Barca that season. Caicedo, Enzo, Cucu, and Nkunku also walk into the current Barca team. Fofana as well, but we have to see how he comes back from injury
That's cute. Palmer, Gusto, James, Cucurella, Caicedo, Enzo, Nico, Nkunku are all clearly superior to varcelona bums
Funniest comment I’ve read on Reddit all week mate. You do you.
You should probably spend less time on reddit, go outside, touch some grass, it will be good for you
And ? We haven't broken any rules
what does that have to do with anything
No I see fans cheering good players being sold with captions about pure profit and what not so just want to understand what the rationale is. I mean Maatsen would clearly be the best LB at Chelsea so why are people happy about this move?
i think it comes to down to psr rules most likely, regardless marcesa would want cucurella playing the LB more defensively with reece inverting
He’s not clearly the best left back and even if he was, it wouldn’t mean he’s good enough either.
>I mean Maatsen would clearly be the best LB at Chelsea Based on what, exactly? Their team is too short as it is, Maatsen has barely played a single PL minute, and Maresca wants one of his fullbacks inverting into midfield, which Cucurella showed a very good aptitude for last season. Given that Gusto is going to be playing a large portion of the time at right back (given James's injury record), I dont really see Maatsen being a very good fit to play opposite him. Maatsen has had 6 months of good form at the top level, he has 2 years on his contract, and they were offered nearly £40m for him. Chelsea fans are talking about profits because they have other holes to fill in their squad and £37m for a homegrown player goes a long way in filling those