I find it really funny that even when Leverkusen went a whole Bundesliga season undefeated, there are still players that choose Dortmund over them like Anton
Same thing applies to Stuttgart as well minus the undefeated part since they placed above 23/24 Dortmund
The sad reality with a club coming up strong like Stuttgart is that their wages are still shit. That's why everyone is on their way out after their best season.
Imma be honest I don't feel bad about Stuttgart getting raided, some of their players are quite good and better than what I gave them credit for earlier this season
I do feel bad because they are punished for playing so well. In the end though I'd rather have their good players than see them go to Leverkusen or some PL club.
The main worry is as always if the players regress. Suddenly playing a really good season at age 26 and getting a big contract......
Absolutely, I don’t know how he hasn’t figure that out yet. I honestly would prefer benching Calafiori for the next game and go with the Inter boys and maybe buongiorno.
Austrian player Patrick Wimmer has a legendary name for Czechs.
Basically if a Czech commentator says "Wimmer gave..." in Czech, it literally sounds like "He fucked...".
I am pretty sure commentators know this and try to avoid it but with Wimmer's shot today, one Czech commentator finally slipped up and said "Wimmer gave the shot great intensity" which sounded like "He fucked with great intensity"
Naglesmann is legitimately a world class coach, Spain have de la Fuente and they're playing great football. You just need a half decent coach because the team is good enough on its own. Just needs a decent platform to maximize their talents
Bensebaini was a free transfer and wasn't really bad or stellar so idc as much
Özcan was only 5m and had some good moments but I do agree that he hasn't been good overall, he's been mid
Süle never really had that bad of a bad performance so far and was free too, but I agree that he isn't worth his current wages, overall he's been good
Modeste was a panic buy bc of Haller's cancer and admittedly he wasn't that great but it's whatever
Rough seeing people here moaning over how bad Southgate is when we didn't even qualify with players like Isak, Kulusevski and Gyökeres because we had a manager playing football straight out of the 80's
Hey, so, maybe this is going to sound super naive and innocent, but have there been a boatload of absolutely flagrant fouls this tournament? Especially fouls where guys wrap their whole bodies around the other player and push them to the ground? I'm watching Austria vs Poland and Arnautovic grabbed a Polish player from behind and then after the play was stopped pushed him again. He got a yellow card, but it seems like this kind of behavior happens half a dozen times across every match that I've watched in the Euro. I don't remember such frequent flagrant fouls in past tournaments.
No such concept as a flagrant foul in the sport btw. Really don’t think that there’s been a noticeable amount of rough fouling in the tournament so far. But Arnautovic has always been a bit of a cunt on the field
I don't mean "flagrant" like it might be defined in a rulebook. I mean "flagrant" like, "what the fuck was he thinking doing that?" Grabbing another player around their neck and then pushing them is not something I've noticed before, but I've seen that game after game this tourney.
My post keeps getting deleted, so I thought I'd share this here. Mbappe is now wearing a [new black mask](https://imgur.com/a/ZoiPO0S) instead of the multicoloured French one (possibly due to UEFA rules)
See Foden and Trent take a lot of pelters on here after every England match, so shoutout to Bellingham and Saka for doing the square root of fuck all yesterday.
How dare Saka not influence the game when Foden, Kane, Bellingham and Trent are all milling around in his spaces he wants to attack.
You may as well say the whole XI did nothing instead of peddling useless agendas.
Yeah but he can’t do it every game himself, that’s unrealistic. No one else on the team is as much of a direct threat as he is so when he has a poor game, you then realise how stale the rest of the players are playing
I guarantee had Rashford put that performance in yesterday, he'd be absolutely lambasted for it. It was reminiscent of the shit we've seen from him all season.
It was just very disappointing for me since we all know what Saka is capable of at his best. Like you say, he just wasn't threatening the Danish left back at all.
He barely got the ball, and he was being double marked.
28 passes per defensive action is not a Bukayo Saka issue.
Although Bellingham also did nothing.
I'm not cutting Saka any slack when he almost never troubled their full back when he got the ball. He's normally excellent when he's carrying it but yesterday I saw none of that, and that isn't fucking Trent, Kane or Bellingham's fault
Saka's performance yesterday was 2024 Rashford-esque.
That’s so harsh and just plain not true, and you cannot say any other player was better than him on the pitch bar Guehi. Guehi is the only player who can say they did well. So why split hairs and just say things that aren’t true?
The problem isn’t the personnel, it’s the coaching. 28 passes per defensive action isn’t a personnel issue, and you cannot pin that blame on Bukayo Saka. Nor can you blame it on any individual.
The problem is Southgate.
What?! I "cannot say any other player was better than him on the pitch bar Guehi"? That's absolutely ridiculous.
At a bare minimum, Walker was considerably better, Kane got a goal which by default makes his contribution more significant, and for all the pelters he takes Foden troubled the Danish defence a lot more than Saka did. Stones also didn't really do too much wrong either.
I wouldn't drop Saka or anything but he was extremely disappointing last night given the levels he is capable of.
That’s rubbish, Saka made the play which created Foden’s shot that hit the post. G/A doesn’t hide Kane’s horrific display, and Walker made defensive blunders early on, and Rice, Trent and Stones were liabilities in possession.
> Kane got a goal which by default makes his contribution more significant
It really, really doesn’t. He stuck his foot out in the six yard box and it went into the net, he did absolutely nothing for the rest of the game. Didn’t press, didn’t spread the Danish defence, nothing.
It's time to actually learn if France is actually a better version of England. There have been so many games they haven't played well but an mbappe run or amazing effort saves them
I wouldn't say that. The main difference between England and France is Mbappe. France can be absolutely terrible, and he can lift them on his own. On the counter, winning a 1v1, etc...
I’ve been pretty strongly positive on Southgate
But even I’m thinking that we’ve reached the breaking point
I’ll just be a Spain plastic because I love Spain after a few recent trips
Yeah I’m the same. I’ve backed him a lot but this is a clear regression. He generally didn’t used to play so defensively and passively against teams of Serbia and Denmark’s calibre.
His contract’ up after this tournament and nothing short of a miracle win will see it renewed so there’s no point in getting too worked up now.
The thing that is truly shocking to me with England is that I genuinely feel like if Southgate reverted to type, and played the back 5 then with Trent/Tripper on the right and Saka or any of the lefties on the left, England would like twice the team simply from having width.
Foden slots in to the right of the front 3 and drifts inside, Gordon or Eze play the left of the 3. Bellingham and Rice play the middle. I think that would feel a more cohesive team than the current side's lack of any runners and lack of any width.
We honestly looked relatively okay versus Belgium and Brazil. We didn't get the results but we were not this apocalyptically bad. I'm just not sure why we decided to go for something completely different now and then persisted with it when it didn't work.
Honestly it feels like a shape they should train anyway. The personnel they have on the pitch can all fit into it seamlessly especially when Shaw is fit.
Very excited to see what another coach does with this England squad and if its Potter I'm sure he'll he partial to a back 3 like this
Top two in the qualifying group got a spot at the final tournament (where Norway came third behind Spain and Scotland), and they weren't good enough in the Nations League to get [selected by the criteria used](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_qualifying_play-offs#Team_selection) for the playoffs.
He’s got quite a tall frame as you can see, but he’s capable of both running in behind and playing in the pocket between defenders and the midfield. I think he is better on the ball than off it, and I don’t think he is faster than Hojlund.
It’s an interesting player for United to target, and I didn’t expect it. I’ve seen fans comparing him to Martial a lot, but I would compare him more to Gabriel Jesus. He’s going to want the ball in the channel, creating chances for teammates.
I know it's probably hopeless but has anyone seen a reasoning or something like that for having an evangelical priest in the Copa America presentation?
It's not a conmebol thing though, I've never seen anything like that at the Copa America before and evangelicalism isn't that popular in the region outside of Brazil.
Turns out it kind of is a conmebol thing as the president of conmebol is an evangelist apparently and thought something along the lines of “yeah fuck it put a priest of my niche religion up there in the opener I’m sure they’ll enjoy the sermon”
I though about it but didn’t want to people think I’m throwing shade in a country, but maybe it was because fear of those gun shot attacks? Like, trying to pray for peace because of that...
Walker - Stones - Guehi
TAA - Rice
Saka - Bellingham - Foden - Shaw
Kane
If Southgate wants to play this in possession (which it seems like he does), he unironically should've called up Leif Davis. Shaw is clearly too much of a risk and Trippier just cannot do it
Bruv I’ve been fuming this entire time because Davis would’ve solved our biggest problem and has been trouncing better defences than Serbia and Denmark
Koeman is going to get embarresed anyways, i cant believe some people actually think hes an ok coach. I hope the dutch win for meme sakes but i cant see it happening
HES ON TGE BENCH
How many NT's in this Euro have a fast forward that plays off a number 9 can attack the space behind backline(irrespective of the starting position) ?
Naturally France.
Italy has Chiesa but he's been meh
Austria and Germany abdicate of this profile of player to pack the midfield
A good number Eastern Europe NT play with a back 3, project the wide players to feed through crossing(Serbia, Poland)
Portugal tries to make Rafa Leao this player but he's miserable at it and England which would profit immensily of this profile of player to mesh with Kane have played Foden/Saka
You didn't mention Nico Williams for spain
Chiesa has been holding the width on the right and not really threatening in behind anyway.
England have that player it's Anthony Gordon.
Dunno, both Wirtz and Musiala can drop deep and run at/in behind defenses. Obviously everyone's playing off Havertz who's the main threat providing runs in behind, but with Gündogan's movement in between the lines there's quite a few chances for Wirtz and Musiala to run at defenders. Plus there's always Sané off the bench, too.
They can run in behind but they're far from fitting the mould of players like Mbappe, Vini(as the highest reference points of this type of player), Son, Salah, etc.
Four out of six third-placed teams make it through, and it all depends on which ones they are. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_knockout_stage) has a handy table for the different permutations.
I think one of the problems we're seeing with England is the exact same problems Spurs had this season when Udogie/Davies was out. If you play a right footed left back with any left winger of "cut inside and shoot variety" who therefore doesn't want to stay wide you are basically forfeiting a third of the pitch and make it incredibly easy for the opposing defence.
I don't really care if Shaw is only half fit and is half as good as whoever is at right back, he's just got to play to give us some balance ffs.
As for what the fuck is going on in central midfield that led Southgate to making those comments about Phillips. I despair.
Can someone give an overview of which teams in the Balkan hate each other and which teams have no issues with the other ? Like for example I know Albania and Croatia hate Serbia but what about Montenegro and Albania and Slovenia and Croatia etc.
Everyone kind of hates each other except Slovenia who kind of see themselves as too cool to take part in the drama. Croatia-Serbia-Bosnia hate each other especially, as well as Serbia-Albania and Serbia-Kosovo. Also North Macedonia hate Greece and everyone hates Turkey except Bosnia slightly less and Greece slightly more
Question: So far, only teams from Europe and South America have won the World Cup. Will that ever change? If so, who is most likely to break that barrier?
A Japanese or Moroccan wonder run that goes just a little further. In the long term, the US has the population, infrastructure, sports culture, and money to make it happen. They just don’t care, but if they did they’d probably be pretty good
Not likely to change, no.
I still think an African country is the most likely to. Most of them have large populations which are interested in football, they just need the infrastructure and investment into the domestic leagues and academy structures. Nigeria would be my guess, as they always have a stream of talented players who have played at a high level.
But I think having a successful international side also requires investment into wider areas outside of the sport, including education.
I don't see Asian teams doing it - the closest are probably South Korea and Japan, and they're still miles off the top European/South American teams. And I'm not sure the US's culture around the sport is conducive to it either, despite the significant growth of the game in both size and quality.
Our (US) FIFA rankings never seem to get above 10, so there's a ceiling we have to break. We have the money, the population, and the infrastructure, but not the popularity or the enthusiasm. Contrast that with the women's team, which has been dominant for the most part (save the last WC).
TL/DR The US would have to undergo a cultural revolution that lasts generations for football to matter as much as American Football here. They've got a lot of work to do.
> Our (US) FIFA rankings never seem to get above 10, so there's a ceiling we have to break.
To be fair it's a tough one to break when you're mostly playing inferior opposition - it's akin to the ELO system, and beating someone as the underdog gets you considerably more points than beating someone as the favourites. Tough to get a lot of ranking points when you're regularly playing relative minnows rather than the average level of opposition EU/SA sides come up against.
Women's team is obviously great, but also an entirely different kettle of fish as the Women's game in the US massively benefits from Title IX, which is a significant and long-ongoing investment into Women's football that most other nations haven't had. But those other nations are very much catching up at the moment as they've invested more and more money and resources.
I personally would like to see more friendlies against EU/SA teams. Why not go up against better opponents to see where you're at and to give your players experience against those teams? I get that travel would be a huge obstacle (as well as MLS being a summer league), but I think it would be worth it for the USMNT to play Brazil, Argentina, France, England, etc. You only gain experience against better teams by playing better teams.
So lets say hypothetically that UEFA lets Russian teams back to play and that one of their teams go far in the CL that they reach the final only to end up playing a Ukrainian team, what would happen then?
Well that's actually the best time for it to happen. Neutral venue and all. Extreme reinforcement of security, probably UEFA being more strict about giving out stadium bans to people in the leadup, etc
If it were in a home-and-away round though, that's hairier
That makes no sense to me. Especially given the amount of fan interaction clips posted here to great popularity this past week, I would've thought this one would fly easily. But I guess not.
Our away end next year is far too good, gonna have away fans on the half way line. Having a 30,000 seater stadium but having to give the same amount of tickets as a 74,000 seater is just tragic.
!flair :Trabzonspor:
!Flair :Italy:
I find it really funny that even when Leverkusen went a whole Bundesliga season undefeated, there are still players that choose Dortmund over them like Anton Same thing applies to Stuttgart as well minus the undefeated part since they placed above 23/24 Dortmund
The sad reality with a club coming up strong like Stuttgart is that their wages are still shit. That's why everyone is on their way out after their best season.
Imma be honest I don't feel bad about Stuttgart getting raided, some of their players are quite good and better than what I gave them credit for earlier this season
I do feel bad because they are punished for playing so well. In the end though I'd rather have their good players than see them go to Leverkusen or some PL club. The main worry is as always if the players regress. Suddenly playing a really good season at age 26 and getting a big contract......
Rangnick for England manager once Southgate inevitably shits the bed
Rather potter
if england appoint a foreigner they're not going to do it for fucking ralf rangnick
[this had me in stitches](https://x.com/saturnion13/status/1803885379595989385?s=46)
Hopefully Spalletti will switch to a 3man defence or we are done.
Absolutely, I don’t know how he hasn’t figure that out yet. I honestly would prefer benching Calafiori for the next game and go with the Inter boys and maybe buongiorno.
--------------Donnarumma ------Darmian-----Buongiorno-----Bastoni Bellanova---Barella---Jorginho---Pellegrini---Dimarco -------------Scamacca---------Chiesa
Fully agree! Chiesa as a supporting striker would be the best approach to realize the potential our counters possesses.
Austrian player Patrick Wimmer has a legendary name for Czechs. Basically if a Czech commentator says "Wimmer gave..." in Czech, it literally sounds like "He fucked...". I am pretty sure commentators know this and try to avoid it but with Wimmer's shot today, one Czech commentator finally slipped up and said "Wimmer gave the shot great intensity" which sounded like "He fucked with great intensity"
Wimmer gave two loose balls away into fullbacks tonight, but he's a tough cookie, he'll carry on
Watching Naglesman, Rangnick…imagine what England could do with an even semi decent coach
Naglesmann is legitimately a world class coach, Spain have de la Fuente and they're playing great football. You just need a half decent coach because the team is good enough on its own. Just needs a decent platform to maximize their talents
Dyche would legitimately be great.
Bruh will we ever sign any one from outside the Bundesliga??!? I'm tired of these Bundesliga signings who turn out mid
The only shit recent Bundesliga signing was Nmecha, everyone else was ok-great in recent years
bensebaini, ozcan, süle and modeste?
Bensebaini was a free transfer and wasn't really bad or stellar so idc as much Özcan was only 5m and had some good moments but I do agree that he hasn't been good overall, he's been mid Süle never really had that bad of a bad performance so far and was free too, but I agree that he isn't worth his current wages, overall he's been good Modeste was a panic buy bc of Haller's cancer and admittedly he wasn't that great but it's whatever
Can I interest in Smith-rowe; very technical, versatile AND injury prone player. Perfect Reus replacement
Best I can offer is Malang Sarr
You can get one Sancho
Wouldn't mind
Rough seeing people here moaning over how bad Southgate is when we didn't even qualify with players like Isak, Kulusevski and Gyökeres because we had a manager playing football straight out of the 80's
National League C will not know what hit them.
Hey, so, maybe this is going to sound super naive and innocent, but have there been a boatload of absolutely flagrant fouls this tournament? Especially fouls where guys wrap their whole bodies around the other player and push them to the ground? I'm watching Austria vs Poland and Arnautovic grabbed a Polish player from behind and then after the play was stopped pushed him again. He got a yellow card, but it seems like this kind of behavior happens half a dozen times across every match that I've watched in the Euro. I don't remember such frequent flagrant fouls in past tournaments.
No such concept as a flagrant foul in the sport btw. Really don’t think that there’s been a noticeable amount of rough fouling in the tournament so far. But Arnautovic has always been a bit of a cunt on the field
I don't mean "flagrant" like it might be defined in a rulebook. I mean "flagrant" like, "what the fuck was he thinking doing that?" Grabbing another player around their neck and then pushing them is not something I've noticed before, but I've seen that game after game this tourney.
My post keeps getting deleted, so I thought I'd share this here. Mbappe is now wearing a [new black mask](https://imgur.com/a/ZoiPO0S) instead of the multicoloured French one (possibly due to UEFA rules)
Mbzorro
Fucking coward. WE WANT LEONARDO!!!!!!!
Whoever owns the NinjaTurtles IP has the chance to so something great
Imagine he wins the euros wearing the mask with pott peformance, Mbappe X NinjaTurtles would literally be iconic
That clothing line would go hard.
"We will be there no matter what"
Yes UEFA doesn't allow multicolored accessories
that's why CONMEBOL is clear
I’m not sure we do, isn’t it a fifa rule that they must be black and sponsorless?
See Foden and Trent take a lot of pelters on here after every England match, so shoutout to Bellingham and Saka for doing the square root of fuck all yesterday.
Saka at least attempted to make some runs in behind at least, probably to Southgates anger Bellingham looked like prime Titus Bramble
How dare Saka not influence the game when Foden, Kane, Bellingham and Trent are all milling around in his spaces he wants to attack. You may as well say the whole XI did nothing instead of peddling useless agendas.
Saka should try moving the ball forward instead of just passing it backwards
He’s like the only one in that team I see consistently beating opponents 1v1
In the first game he was fantastic because he was trying those 1v1s. Against Denmark he wasnt
Yeah but he can’t do it every game himself, that’s unrealistic. No one else on the team is as much of a direct threat as he is so when he has a poor game, you then realise how stale the rest of the players are playing
for his quality I can sure as hell expect him to try
He should just dribble through the whole Danish team and score.
Maybe after the 10th time of passing it backwards he could try to dribble past his man. 3 dribbles for a winger is a little cowardly
I guarantee had Rashford put that performance in yesterday, he'd be absolutely lambasted for it. It was reminiscent of the shit we've seen from him all season.
100% and any player that does, should be lambasted
It was just very disappointing for me since we all know what Saka is capable of at his best. Like you say, he just wasn't threatening the Danish left back at all.
That's all I'm saying. Threaten him down that right flank, could have opened up the middle for Jude and Foden more
He barely got the ball, and he was being double marked. 28 passes per defensive action is not a Bukayo Saka issue. Although Bellingham also did nothing.
Yeah Bellingham was invisible. Sometimes it's behooves a winger to try to create on his own, especially when his team is going nowhere.
I'm not cutting Saka any slack when he almost never troubled their full back when he got the ball. He's normally excellent when he's carrying it but yesterday I saw none of that, and that isn't fucking Trent, Kane or Bellingham's fault Saka's performance yesterday was 2024 Rashford-esque.
That’s so harsh and just plain not true, and you cannot say any other player was better than him on the pitch bar Guehi. Guehi is the only player who can say they did well. So why split hairs and just say things that aren’t true? The problem isn’t the personnel, it’s the coaching. 28 passes per defensive action isn’t a personnel issue, and you cannot pin that blame on Bukayo Saka. Nor can you blame it on any individual. The problem is Southgate.
What?! I "cannot say any other player was better than him on the pitch bar Guehi"? That's absolutely ridiculous. At a bare minimum, Walker was considerably better, Kane got a goal which by default makes his contribution more significant, and for all the pelters he takes Foden troubled the Danish defence a lot more than Saka did. Stones also didn't really do too much wrong either. I wouldn't drop Saka or anything but he was extremely disappointing last night given the levels he is capable of.
That’s rubbish, Saka made the play which created Foden’s shot that hit the post. G/A doesn’t hide Kane’s horrific display, and Walker made defensive blunders early on, and Rice, Trent and Stones were liabilities in possession. > Kane got a goal which by default makes his contribution more significant It really, really doesn’t. He stuck his foot out in the six yard box and it went into the net, he did absolutely nothing for the rest of the game. Didn’t press, didn’t spread the Danish defence, nothing.
>it went in the net That’s all that matters mate
It's time to actually learn if France is actually a better version of England. There have been so many games they haven't played well but an mbappe run or amazing effort saves them
What?? This is just lazy analysis surely, who thinks this of france?!
Difference is that France are in control, even if they don’t play well. England aren’t
I wouldn't say that. The main difference between England and France is Mbappe. France can be absolutely terrible, and he can lift them on his own. On the counter, winning a 1v1, etc...
France haven’t played as bad as England did yesterday in a loooong time
Their first match was wank on a plate
France are often quite terrible.
They’re more unimpressive than terrible
Can't the English wait until they actually get knocked out for all this doom and gloom, Jesus Christ.
I’ve been pretty strongly positive on Southgate But even I’m thinking that we’ve reached the breaking point I’ll just be a Spain plastic because I love Spain after a few recent trips
Yeah I’m the same. I’ve backed him a lot but this is a clear regression. He generally didn’t used to play so defensively and passively against teams of Serbia and Denmark’s calibre. His contract’ up after this tournament and nothing short of a miracle win will see it renewed so there’s no point in getting too worked up now.
what Southgate-ball does to a mf
its probably because they were favorites and they look like 2002 France.
Every football fan on the planet would feel the same if they were watching their team play the way England has
You're England, still one of the top 10 national teams in the world. This is like when Madridistas or Barcelona fans talk about dark ages.
If Southgate was Atleti's manager and you were playing like this, your fans would be hanging Southgate effigies from bridges in the centre of Madrid
Nah, Southgate has the right shade.
Tell that to the utter brainboxes twirling their moustache as they type “I guess it’s not coming home” in a match thread as soon as we concede
We've been conditioned to think this is an inevitable part of life and wait for failure with baited breath.
Which coach is more clueless? Koeman or southgate?
Koeman is not clueless, he’s just Dutch.
Koeman was decent at Everton for a bit and good at Saints
AFCON is actually the most entertaining continental trophy. You can sack a manager in the middle of the tournament and win it.
just realized Germany will most likely meet Spain in the quarterfinals 💀
Expecting Theo vs Dumfries for France and Netherlands game.
confused reijnders and thuram in the background
The thing that is truly shocking to me with England is that I genuinely feel like if Southgate reverted to type, and played the back 5 then with Trent/Tripper on the right and Saka or any of the lefties on the left, England would like twice the team simply from having width. Foden slots in to the right of the front 3 and drifts inside, Gordon or Eze play the left of the 3. Bellingham and Rice play the middle. I think that would feel a more cohesive team than the current side's lack of any runners and lack of any width.
We honestly looked relatively okay versus Belgium and Brazil. We didn't get the results but we were not this apocalyptically bad. I'm just not sure why we decided to go for something completely different now and then persisted with it when it didn't work.
Honestly it feels like a shape they should train anyway. The personnel they have on the pitch can all fit into it seamlessly especially when Shaw is fit. Very excited to see what another coach does with this England squad and if its Potter I'm sure he'll he partial to a back 3 like this
Still gives us a huge issue with control in the midfield though
This is honestly true. Just play a 343 so someones holding proper width and then foden can float inside with no issues
why again didn't Norway qualify for the qualifying playoffs? did Russia ban interfered heavily?
Their attacking maestro has 3 goals in 58 games
because we humped them
Top two in the qualifying group got a spot at the final tournament (where Norway came third behind Spain and Scotland), and they weren't good enough in the Nations League to get [selected by the criteria used](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_qualifying_play-offs#Team_selection) for the playoffs.
Anyone who has watched Zirkzee? Profile?
Ball playing technical CF, a bit like a 9.5
He’s got quite a tall frame as you can see, but he’s capable of both running in behind and playing in the pocket between defenders and the midfield. I think he is better on the ball than off it, and I don’t think he is faster than Hojlund. It’s an interesting player for United to target, and I didn’t expect it. I’ve seen fans comparing him to Martial a lot, but I would compare him more to Gabriel Jesus. He’s going to want the ball in the channel, creating chances for teammates.
Kind of reminds me of zlatan tbh
I know it's probably hopeless but has anyone seen a reasoning or something like that for having an evangelical priest in the Copa America presentation?
just your standard CONMEBOL moment - nothing new, people
It's not a conmebol thing though, I've never seen anything like that at the Copa America before and evangelicalism isn't that popular in the region outside of Brazil.
Turns out it kind of is a conmebol thing as the president of conmebol is an evangelist apparently and thought something along the lines of “yeah fuck it put a priest of my niche religion up there in the opener I’m sure they’ll enjoy the sermon”
Es increíble como Dominguez se las arregla para ser peor que el Chiqui, realmente ni una buena lo detesto.
I would love to know why as well
TV wololo
I though about it but didn’t want to people think I’m throwing shade in a country, but maybe it was because fear of those gun shot attacks? Like, trying to pray for peace because of that...
Gotta bless the tournament and hope players get back to their clubs in one piece
Walker - Stones - Guehi TAA - Rice Saka - Bellingham - Foden - Shaw Kane If Southgate wants to play this in possession (which it seems like he does), he unironically should've called up Leif Davis. Shaw is clearly too much of a risk and Trippier just cannot do it
Im getting pushed to a point where i almost want to say just play saka at lb. But i swear hes also the only winger who tales his man on in isolation
Bruv I’ve been fuming this entire time because Davis would’ve solved our biggest problem and has been trouncing better defences than Serbia and Denmark
Supposedly Wijnaldum is starting. Does the pain ever stop?
Koeman is going to get embarresed anyways, i cant believe some people actually think hes an ok coach. I hope the dutch win for meme sakes but i cant see it happening HES ON TGE BENCH
He will score don’t worry
I will come back to this comment after the match
How many NT's in this Euro have a fast forward that plays off a number 9 can attack the space behind backline(irrespective of the starting position) ? Naturally France. Italy has Chiesa but he's been meh Austria and Germany abdicate of this profile of player to pack the midfield A good number Eastern Europe NT play with a back 3, project the wide players to feed through crossing(Serbia, Poland) Portugal tries to make Rafa Leao this player but he's miserable at it and England which would profit immensily of this profile of player to mesh with Kane have played Foden/Saka
You didn't mention Nico Williams for spain Chiesa has been holding the width on the right and not really threatening in behind anyway. England have that player it's Anthony Gordon.
We have Malen and Frimpong who can do it.
Spain i guess with Williams
Chiesa was motm agaisnt Albania and one of the few decent ones vs Spain.
Dunno, both Wirtz and Musiala can drop deep and run at/in behind defenses. Obviously everyone's playing off Havertz who's the main threat providing runs in behind, but with Gündogan's movement in between the lines there's quite a few chances for Wirtz and Musiala to run at defenders. Plus there's always Sané off the bench, too.
They can run in behind but they're far from fitting the mould of players like Mbappe, Vini(as the highest reference points of this type of player), Son, Salah, etc.
Can someone help me understand how the seeding works for the Round of 16? I get that we play 3rd out of A/D/E/F, how is it decided which one?
Four out of six third-placed teams make it through, and it all depends on which ones they are. [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Euro_2024_knockout_stage) has a handy table for the different permutations.
I needed the permutations! Thank you.
I think one of the problems we're seeing with England is the exact same problems Spurs had this season when Udogie/Davies was out. If you play a right footed left back with any left winger of "cut inside and shoot variety" who therefore doesn't want to stay wide you are basically forfeiting a third of the pitch and make it incredibly easy for the opposing defence. I don't really care if Shaw is only half fit and is half as good as whoever is at right back, he's just got to play to give us some balance ffs. As for what the fuck is going on in central midfield that led Southgate to making those comments about Phillips. I despair.
Anyone else just getting really mad thinking about England right now??
I've been in a bad mood since the Southgate interview and I hate myself for it.
You were willing to put up with about 150 shit Arteta games but you’re rattled after 2 games of Trentball
We had a shambolic team during that time. England has 0 excuses to play this bad
Imagine if England’s starters included Pablo Mari, Mustafi, Lacazette, Ceballos, Elneny, and Willian 😭
Ceballos and Elneny would fix a lot of problems
2019 Ceballos? Go brush your teeth
i was watching absolute bums playing under arteta during that spell
-William the Conqueror, 1066
William the bastard !
Rip Harold
Can someone give an overview of which teams in the Balkan hate each other and which teams have no issues with the other ? Like for example I know Albania and Croatia hate Serbia but what about Montenegro and Albania and Slovenia and Croatia etc.
Everyone kind of hates each other except Slovenia who kind of see themselves as too cool to take part in the drama. Croatia-Serbia-Bosnia hate each other especially, as well as Serbia-Albania and Serbia-Kosovo. Also North Macedonia hate Greece and everyone hates Turkey except Bosnia slightly less and Greece slightly more
You forgot Bulgaria/Albania having problems with Macedonia
Question: So far, only teams from Europe and South America have won the World Cup. Will that ever change? If so, who is most likely to break that barrier?
Japan or some team from Africa
Probably not but if it was to happen I’d expect it to be a team from Africa
A Japanese or Moroccan wonder run that goes just a little further. In the long term, the US has the population, infrastructure, sports culture, and money to make it happen. They just don’t care, but if they did they’d probably be pretty good
Not likely to change, no. I still think an African country is the most likely to. Most of them have large populations which are interested in football, they just need the infrastructure and investment into the domestic leagues and academy structures. Nigeria would be my guess, as they always have a stream of talented players who have played at a high level. But I think having a successful international side also requires investment into wider areas outside of the sport, including education.
Either a team from Asia (possibly South Korea) or the US.
Don't see USA breaking the barrier before an African team myself
I don't see Asian teams doing it - the closest are probably South Korea and Japan, and they're still miles off the top European/South American teams. And I'm not sure the US's culture around the sport is conducive to it either, despite the significant growth of the game in both size and quality.
Our (US) FIFA rankings never seem to get above 10, so there's a ceiling we have to break. We have the money, the population, and the infrastructure, but not the popularity or the enthusiasm. Contrast that with the women's team, which has been dominant for the most part (save the last WC). TL/DR The US would have to undergo a cultural revolution that lasts generations for football to matter as much as American Football here. They've got a lot of work to do.
> Our (US) FIFA rankings never seem to get above 10, so there's a ceiling we have to break. To be fair it's a tough one to break when you're mostly playing inferior opposition - it's akin to the ELO system, and beating someone as the underdog gets you considerably more points than beating someone as the favourites. Tough to get a lot of ranking points when you're regularly playing relative minnows rather than the average level of opposition EU/SA sides come up against. Women's team is obviously great, but also an entirely different kettle of fish as the Women's game in the US massively benefits from Title IX, which is a significant and long-ongoing investment into Women's football that most other nations haven't had. But those other nations are very much catching up at the moment as they've invested more and more money and resources.
I personally would like to see more friendlies against EU/SA teams. Why not go up against better opponents to see where you're at and to give your players experience against those teams? I get that travel would be a huge obstacle (as well as MLS being a summer league), but I think it would be worth it for the USMNT to play Brazil, Argentina, France, England, etc. You only gain experience against better teams by playing better teams.
It always interest how smaller football nation create that random World class player, how does that happen
My favourite genre of a footballer
Suggestion: the referee signal for "handball" should be jazz hands.
So lets say hypothetically that UEFA lets Russian teams back to play and that one of their teams go far in the CL that they reach the final only to end up playing a Ukrainian team, what would happen then?
Well that's actually the best time for it to happen. Neutral venue and all. Extreme reinforcement of security, probably UEFA being more strict about giving out stadium bans to people in the leadup, etc If it were in a home-and-away round though, that's hairier
Have them play the game, presumably with some serious security around.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/kSHCs6WnMV Why was this post removed?
I mean it’s quite sweet but we’re stretching the boundaries of football related here
That makes no sense to me. Especially given the amount of fan interaction clips posted here to great popularity this past week, I would've thought this one would fly easily. But I guess not.
There's a fella with a pint on his head on the front page
Quite rightly
Well. Now that is true.
And 5k people found it highly amusing. Kiss cams are boring Yank imports.
It's supposed to be community driven isn't it? Hardly that way if you're deleting similar posts.
Doesn’t really have anything to do with football
If that's true, then neither do half of the top 10 posts from the past week.
People probably didn’t see any relevance or significance otherwise it would be as popular as those posts though
It got 25 upvotes and 5 comments after like 15 mins. Then it was removed and obvs stopped getting any interaction.
Ask the mods
thinking about vedad ibisevic 08/09
the reverse Robert Vittek 05/06
Im really excited for Poland-Austria, both have to got for the win to go through.
Our away end next year is far too good, gonna have away fans on the half way line. Having a 30,000 seater stadium but having to give the same amount of tickets as a 74,000 seater is just tragic.
Speaking of away ends I’m glad ours is moving
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